Here's a question for ALL* those people who promote, market and ultimately sell hidden electronic Wheel Prediction reading gadgets.
Given that most of the Video & TV based casinos are, or have changed to ending felt bet placement before the dealer spins the ball, such that there is NO advantage any longer to the user of such a Wheel reading devices, since they will no longer be able to bet just as the ball begins its deceleration on the Wheel track, how will these devices be able function at all in their market place?
Once ALL casinos (B&M and On-Line based businesses) realise that all they have to do, is end "Bets Placed" a good second or two before the wheel is spun, and pass this information between themselves, (in some form of cartel exchange), then the future of these devices is going to be limited to a hand full of obscure casino establishments that will obviously dot around the globe, but the MAIN players, will have implemented an "anti-wheel reading scheme" between them, scuppering the hidden electronic player.
I wonder then what the marketeers will come up with next, because the only thing left to them (as I "see" it), is sector reading, and prediction be stealth!
The likes of Pies and Stars will be there only aid, and of course DS.
Please discuss freely.......
Open thread.
[reveal=*]...and not just the owner of this forum[/reveal]
Chris..
If you read something I posted recently, I mused the exact same point....not at computers, but at casinos allowing bets after the spin (considering online don't)
It could mean this:
Online casinos fear VB. land-based don't.
I mean, if UK casinos are anything to go by, one guy studying the wheel, or indeed, concealing a computer, is on his own against 10,000 aians and chinese morons throwing chips at the table like they are chucking confetti at a wedding is nothing to worry about.
I personally don't get the computer use to try and win. Its like the guy who was recently found to be using a computer at chess tournaments.
Its lazy....in my view (which I am entitled to)
When the computer guys are redundant, i.e when the casinos ban betting after the spin (which will come) they will have to go learn how to beat roulette the hard way, all over again. I mean, you wouldnt go buy a book on card counting would you?
Turner
There's a book on card counting ...is there? ..Hmmmmmm
Quote from: Chrisbis on Apr 01, 06:21 PM 2013
There's a book on card counting ...is there? ..Hmmmmmm
I learned to card count...Knock-out system....then the constant shuffling machine was installed world wide. :question:
If u visit a hospital daily without any work done,could u call urself a doc.
Same with roulette.Unless u play constantly learning from ur failures how can
u become long term winner.Read ur posts long now but 99% of u are on the
wrong train,and 90% probably never walk in real B&M casino.
You need to learn how to type differently F_LAT_INO
Quote from: teo
...........................Read your posts long now but 99% of You are on the
wrong train,and 90% probably never walk in real B&M casino.
Who, (in your opinion) is the 1% or people who are on the right track then?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Apr 02, 02:10 PM 2013
Who, (in your opinion) is the 1% or people who are on the right track then?
Turner, why do you call me F_LAT_INO?
1% is
--2CS,Lady k,and maybe u if u wouldn't believe all u hear, as it is sometimes mind confusing.
Chris, you said:
QuoteGiven that most of the Video & TV based casinos are, or have changed to ending felt bet placement before the dealer spins the ball
Which casinos are you referring to? Online or real? Online casinos are very different. We forced two of the online casinos to call no more bets much earlier. Others will follow eventually.
Real casinos are very different because they can monitor the actual players, and they feel more comfortable about that. But a properly applied roulette computer is very difficult for casino staff to detect.
See the faq below as per my site:
15. What if casinos do not permit bets after ball release anymore? Wont this make the computer worthless?
It is unlikely most casinos will ever forbid bets after ball release. This is because calling no more bets after ball release speeds up the game, so more bets are wagered, and the casino ultimately earns more. There are far more losers than winning roulette computer players, so it is not financially viable for casinos to call no more bets before the ball is released. But IF casino staff suspect someone of roulette computer use, they simply call no more bets earlier and earlier until the player either loses or leaves. There is no bashing, no ban, and no criminal charges. This is reality of computer play, but it is not difficult to earn very large sums before being suspected. Keep in mind that no matter how you win, no casino will tolerate consistent winners forever. So it is important to follow the procedures to avoid detection. However, if hypothetically late bets were no longer permitted at all, you could still use the software's pattern analysis features which enable you predict where the ball will land, even if bets are placed before the spin. This pattern analysis feature specifically looks for part of the patterns for the system explained at :.genuinewinner.com (link:://:.genuinewinner.com). Additionally, you will be given free access to the :.roulettesystemanalysis.com (link:://:.roulettesystemanalysis.com) software used by genuinewinner.com players to beat roulette with bets before the ball release.Is it best for casinos to stop late betting? No, they'll lose money that way. So what they do is simple.... IF they suspect someone of roulette computer use, they simply call no more bets earlier and earlier until the player either loses or leaves. No bashing. No criminal charges. That is reality of computer play. And it is not difficult to remain undetected to avoid these countermeasures. No matter what, no casino will tolerate consistent winners.
@ Steve
Interesting reply......thank you.
Quote from: Chrisbis on Apr 02, 05:44 PM 2013
@ Steve
Interesting reply......thank you.
it is quite true as a rule of thumb...If the casino lets you do it...they arnt worried about it/ or its more profitable than a problem.
Look at Craps. Look how big the PASS/COME area is and how small the
Dont Pass/Dont come is.
PASS/COME in bold capital white, Dont pass/Dont come in smaller black italics.
Which has less house edge, I wonder.
You cant remove the PASS bet after the point. You can remove the dont pass bet. Of course you can! They hope you will.
They know everything dont they? They are fully aware of what they are allowing you to do and not allowing you to do. Every aspect.
I know many casino staff, some of which who are now my players. What do the casinos think about roulette computers?... They know they exist, but don't consider them a big problem because if someone is constantly winning lots with late bets, they will call no more bets earlier. Just as I explained before.
I always say the limit to what you win is more about being undetected.
Some casino staff have no clue. Some have a vague idea. Some know quite well, but I've never known of casino staff to fully understand what makes a wheel beatable, and when a wheel is vulnerable. Even one casino consultant said the players themselves know more than the casino staff, because the players are the ones who do the work to understand the wheel.
Some casino staff have no clue. Some have a vague idea. Some know quite well, but I've never known of casino staff to fully understand what makes a wheel beatable, and when a wheel is vulnerable. Even one casino consultant said the players themselves know more than the casino staff, because the players are the ones who do the work to understand the wheel.
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Right on the nail.Sure that pro players know much more then employees there, as they only win
small percentage of the money that other regular players lose.In any case casino always wins.
So in fact they don't bother about regular pro players that are often winning.Even thought,some
here believe they get ban,as actually, as have mentioned earlier,u got to be there to find out true.
I have been in casinos which call no more bets before the spin the ball.
Quote from: Ralph on Apr 03, 05:38 AM 2013
I have been in casinos which call no more bets before the spin the ball.
In all the casinos ivebeen in..or seen..Dublin bet leaves it the latest. They are still betting as the ball hits the diamond sometimes
Quote from: Ralph on Apr 03, 05:38 AM 2013
I have been in casinos which call no more bets before the spin the ball.
Most Corsicas casinos do so.D'Ajaccio and Municipal casinos in Ajaccio don't.
Avoid casinos in Bastia,Biguglia,Bastelica,L'lle rousse,Calvi as You CAN'T win there.
Use your imagination why.psssssst.
yes i agree thats quite amazing. In DB sometimes it looks like players still place their bets just before the ball is landing
Quote from: Turner on Apr 03, 06:07 AM 2013
In all the casinos ivebeen in..or seen..Dublin bet leaves it the latest. They are still betting as the ball hits the diamond sometimes
Different casinos do different things. MOST casinos allow late betting for reasons I explained (Casinos overall earn more if they DO allow late betting).