DOZUMNS

[amk]

REPLY FROM JOHNLEGEND

"I like this a lot AMK it needs some work on staking I'm think we play it six wide but only bet the first three spins, the other threes job is to create the break between bets. Give it a name and put it in the testing zone we can forge it there. Then bring it back over here. It looks to have awesome potential excellent work AMK."

Hello everyone,

Inspired by JL's PATTERN 4 method and Arthurs wheel observation I looked into combining dozens and columns but going four wide and betting ofcourse that the fourth pattern was different from the first. I played consecutively so that we get and indication of how HIT AND RUN will look........

Example:  numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns

                             2B1C
                             3C2A
                             2C3A
                             1B2B.........  fourth pattern


From 541 live Spielbank spins I won 135 STRAIGHT GAMES. One loss but recovered on 5th progression.

Currently I just have a simple but somewhat "dangerous" six stage progression to play with. However 101 games were won on the first bet, 19 on the second bet, 7 on the third, 1 on the fourth and 1 on the fifth.

I think if we feel that this method has potential it will have to be played HIT AND RUN. It will take all of us to come up with a good staking plan.

Due to the high strikerate on the first and second wins I felt that perhaps a staking plan of 1/1 and 3/3 would be safe.

If we have a rare case on which we do not win on the first or second bet we just continue to play with 1/1 3/3 or move up to 4/4 12/12 for two wins to break even again....

The more knowledgeable players can best determine if this HIT AND RUN method has merit and what the best staking plan would be....... Perhaps in the trend of DIVIDE AND CONQUER

[warrior]

Do not mind my ignorance ,how can you have 135 games in 541 spins
when your betting begins every 13 spins?

[Johnlegend]

REPLY FROM JOHNLEGEND

"I like this a lot AMK it needs some work on staking I'm think we play it six wide but only bet the first three spins, the other threes job is to create the break between bets. Give it a name and put it in the testing zone we can forge it there. Then bring it back over here. It looks to have awesome potential excellent work AMK."

Hello everyone,

Inspired by JL's PATTERN 4 method and Arthurs wheel observation I looked into combining dozens and columns but going four wide and betting ofcourse that the fourth pattern was different from the first. I played consecutively so that we get and indication of how HIT AND RUN will look........

Example:  numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns

                            2B1C
                            3C2A
                            2C3A
                            1B2B.........  fourth pattern


From 541 live Spielbank spins I won 135 STRAIGHT GAMES. One loss but recovered on 5th progression.

Currently I just have a simple but somewhat "dangerous" six stage progression to play with. However 101 games were won on the first bet, 19 on the second bet, 7 on the third, 1 on the fourth and 1 on the fifth.

I think if we feel that this method has potential it will have to be played HIT AND RUN. It will take all of us to come up with a good staking plan.

Due to the high strikerate on the first and second wins I felt that perhaps a staking plan of 1/1 and 3/3 would be safe.

If we have a rare case on which we do not win on the first or second bet we just continue to play with 1/1 3/3 or move up to 4/4 12/12 for two wins to break even again....

The more knowledgeable players can best determine if this HIT AND RUN method has merit and what the best staking plan would be....... Perhaps in the trend of DIVIDE AND CONQUER

Hi AMK I was wrong it needs no improvement. You have somehow created a masterpiece. Its a lot better than PATTERN 4 its up there with MV5. Although the risk is greater the way I play I might win 300/1 easily. Well, well done. You know when I see something truly amazing I will say it straight out. With a 16 spin betting frame this is really something. I am not sure I like the name though. I would call it the FANTASTIC 4 because that's exactly what it is A FOUR WIDE FOUR DEEP MASTERPIECE. 81 units may sound like a lot. But I think its a worthy risk. If we decide to play for the first three spins its 26 units risk. And with the potential strikerate of this thing that's nothing

Oil up your Bots maths boys. AMK has just TKOd RANDOM. Just played 10 real games and won them all in two bets.

[GLC]

AMK,

I might have to do some serious testing on this one.

I'm finally starting to think we may be getting close to giving random a run for the money.

Thanks for the post,

GLC

[clothdog]

i'm sorry, but I don't get the betting sequence. in the example:
2B1C
3C2A
2C3A
1B2B.........  fourth pattern
your 1st bet would be  first and third dozen on spin 13? and you win so you play it out virtually?  if I lost, my next bet would be to bet col A & C? Is this correct? Do you wait another 12 spins? thanks.
CD

[Halba1]

REPLY FROM JOHNLEGEND

"I like this a lot AMK it needs some work on staking I'm think we play it six wide but only bet the first three spins, the other threes job is to create the break between bets. Give it a name and put it in the testing zone we can forge it there. Then bring it back over here. It looks to have awesome potential excellent work AMK."

Hello everyone,

Inspired by JL's PATTERN 4 method and Arthurs wheel observation I looked into combining dozens and columns but going four wide and betting ofcourse that the fourth pattern was different from the first. I played consecutively so that we get and indication of how HIT AND RUN will look........

Example:  numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns

                             2B1C
                             3C2A
                             2C3A
                             1B2B.........  fourth pattern


From 541 live Spielbank spins I won 135 STRAIGHT GAMES. One loss but recovered on 5th progression.

Currently I just have a simple but somewhat "dangerous" six stage progression to play with. However 101 games were won on the first bet, 19 on the second bet, 7 on the third, 1 on the fourth and 1 on the fifth.

I think if we feel that this method has potential it will have to be played HIT AND RUN. It will take all of us to come up with a good staking plan.

Due to the high strikerate on the first and second wins I felt that perhaps a staking plan of 1/1 and 3/3 would be safe.

If we have a rare case on which we do not win on the first or second bet we just continue to play with 1/1 3/3 or move up to 4/4 12/12 for two wins to break even again....

The more knowledgeable players can best determine if this HIT AND RUN method has merit and what the best staking plan would be....... Perhaps in the trend of DIVIDE AND CONQUER

Hello amk. any reason why you are taking the 4th pattern down. In this example, we could simply use the next pattern of 4. saves waiting all those spins. can you see the results on that thanks.

1unit on the other dozen = 2unit bet. 1unit win = 3 unit, 2 unit bet = 1 unit net profit. if lose(2 unit), we have to triple to 3/3 = 6 units total bet. if win, we get 3 units, less 2 units lost = 1 unit profit overall again. if loss we go to 9/9, evening out 1 unit profit again.

                            2B1C
                             3C2A - win on 1st bet
                             2C3A  - win on 1st bet
                             1B2B.........  win on 1st bet........

[vundarosa]

REPLY FROM JOHNLEGEND

"I like this a lot AMK it needs some work on staking I'm think we play it six wide but only bet the first three spins, the other threes job is to create the break between bets. Give it a name and put it in the testing zone we can forge it there. Then bring it back over here. It looks to have awesome potential excellent work AMK."

Hello everyone,

Inspired by JL's PATTERN 4 method and Arthurs wheel observation I looked into combining dozens and columns but going four wide and betting ofcourse that the fourth pattern was different from the first. I played consecutively so that we get and indication of how HIT AND RUN will look........

Example:  numbers 1,2,3 are dozens, letters A,B,C are columns

                             2B1C
                             3C2A
                             2C3A
                             1B2B.........  fourth pattern


From 541 live Spielbank spins I won 135 STRAIGHT GAMES. One loss but recovered on 5th progression.

Currently I just have a simple but somewhat "dangerous" six stage progression to play with. However 101 games were won on the first bet, 19 on the second bet, 7 on the third, 1 on the fourth and 1 on the fifth.

I think if we feel that this method has potential it will have to be played HIT AND RUN. It will take all of us to come up with a good staking plan.

Due to the high strikerate on the first and second wins I felt that perhaps a staking plan of 1/1 and 3/3 would be safe.

If we have a rare case on which we do not win on the first or second bet we just continue to play with 1/1 3/3 or move up to 4/4 12/12 for two wins to break even again....

The more knowledgeable players can best determine if this HIT AND RUN method has merit and what the best staking plan would be....... Perhaps in the trend of DIVIDE AND CONQUER

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I don't get the bet design....

when you have "2B1C" do you have 4 different numbers, one in doz 2, one in col B, one in doz 1, and last in col C arranged in a 4 wide matrix; or do you have just two number, one in col 2&doz B with the other at col 1&dozC arranged ina 2wide matrix?!

then, what are you betting against?!

*if you have 4 numbers then you should bet 4 times per patern, no?!

*if you have 2 numbers, then its 4 units per bet no?!

maybe a short example on with some actual numbers and then the matrix and the betting sequence would help to clarify

Vundarosa

[Halba1]

4 separate numbers vund.

you just bet against the D or C. that means 2 bets each time on an individual basis. once hit, we move to next line

[Tomla021]

this could be good

[ADulay]

I absolutely love the name for this and am kicking myself for not coming up with it earlier!

Dozumns.

That's perfect!!

AD

[Maui13]

Ok, I really don't get it either.

Would someone perhaps just pop down a couple of random numbers. Because I also don't see a "pattern" to bet against?  There are 3 columns, and 3 dozens? Confused 
So similarly to Pattern 4 we would have for example:

HHH
XXX
XXX
LLL - we bet L here as this is the opposite of the HHH repeating itself.

But taken the example below, I don't get that pattern. If you have 2, you can bet against that with 3 and 1, how is 1 picked then, the same with B, the opposite can be A & C..

2B1C
3C2A
2C3A
1B2B.........  fourth pattern

Please help

Regards,
Mauricio

[Skakus]

I absolutely love the name for this and am kicking myself for not coming up with it earlier!

Dozumns.

That's perfect!!

AD

Well it's a lot better than colens! 

[vundarosa]

Ok, I really don't get it either.

Would someone perhaps just pop down a couple of random numbers. Because I also don't see a "pattern" to bet against?  There are 3 columns, and 3 dozens? Confused 
So similarly to Pattern 4 we would have for example:

HHH
XXX
XXX
LLL - we bet L here as this is the opposite of the HHH repeating itself.

But taken the example below, I don't get that pattern. If you have 2, you can bet against that with 3 and 1, how is 1 picked then, the same with B, the opposite can be A & C..

2B1C
3C2A
2C3A
1B2B.........  fourth pattern

Please help

Regards,
Mauricio

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@maurcio....
td bem.?

its a 4x4 matrix, so 4 numbers. 1st number is doz second is col, 3rd is doz,4th is col

like this
15,23,7,36 = "2B1C"

so u track spins till u have a 4x4 matrix
then u bet the doz, if lose bet the col---only 2 bets so by the example first bet 1&3 if lose,
A&C

vundarosa

[Maui13]

Ahaaaaaaaaaaaa,

Now I get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for sorting that out Vundarosa   

Now that's going to be a killer!!! HECTIC MAN!!! Will start testing ASAP!
Makes a lot of sense playing it like this.


PS - I don't speak Spanish, my father does, but he never taught us while growing up! Bummer, had to get Spanish E-book and mp3's. Busy learning myself 

Regards,
Mauricio

[Halba1]

i've tested this out. its not as good return, because you need to triple the bets. but you need martingale progression for it to work. usually you rarely see a pattern repeat. so thats why you win. but small win only.

if u start with 3/3, it can quickly end up blowing the bankroll. whereas with R/B you only need to double the bet.