Idea: Single EC bet that can be any of the three Red/Black, High/Low or Even/Uneven will change. Look at the last 4 numbers and from them judge what next to play on.
Logic: The wheel should produce a fair evenly spread number of each EC bet, especially over long time. However as we all know a single EC bet can easily streak/chain short term and is a common event. 2 EC's streaking at the same time (aka like getting 10x Red High in a row) is virtually unseen. At the same time when a single EC's is streaking (Lets say Red) you will notice that the other 2 EC's (High/low and Even/uneven) is bound to change even more frequently aka you could say its the streaks "upkeep"-condition. So lets try to set up a strategy that try to take advantage of the logic of the EC changing while try to keep us clear of the streaks themselves.
The bet: single bet on one EC that we think will change judging from the last upto 3 hit numbers. Progression: 1,2,STOP. Bankroll: 50 units more than enough if its just 1 & 2 units bets.
Rules (set in stone):
1: Does the last 4 numbers steak in any way, like 4x RED in a row? then you must NOT bet that EC until its done streaking (aka dont bet on Black).
2. Has the exact same number hit twice in a row then pause betting for at least 2 spins.
Procedure: look at the last 3 numbers repeat EC like 3x RED? Then bet that the next will be BLACK. If no EC is the same on the last 3 numbers is there any on the last 2? Like the last 2x is both HIGH, then bet the next will be LOW. If you have two EC both being the same for the last 3 or 2 choose the one that you think "in demand" (is that the right word? aka "not in surplus"i guess) judging from the last 10-12 hits. If no EC follows in 3 or 2, aka the numbers are "perfectly balanced in the last 3 numbers then wait a turn.
Example play: The last 4 numbers is: 22B (latest), 28B , 13B, 14R has hit. The last 2 numbers is Even & High so bet 1 unit that the next number is Uneven (judged from last 10 numbers). Next number that hits is 11B and i win 1 unit. However now we have 4 Black numbers in a row 11B, 22B, 28B, 13B, so i must not bet Red will happen. Looking at the last 3 there is neither 3 nor 2 of the other EC that follows (is unchanged). So wait for next number. Next number is 23R so we have 23R, 11B, 22B, 28B and the last 2 is both Even so i bet that the next number is Uneven.
Testing: ive had 3 session so far on 2 different wheels (online live) and so far it has faired quite ok. Had a small win on all 3 sessions, but its a grind though. No scary quick swings down, even though you can play a bit getting nowhere, but in the end it slowly goes up. I guess there is room for improvement and the procedure isnt "set in stone" so you could argue betting both if 2 EC has potential to change. And if you want to fiddle with the progression like 1,3 or 2,5 instead is probably quite viable. However its quite clear that you should not mess with the 2 rules. Had some 10+ streaks that would easily eaten a large chunk of the bankroll had i continued betting on the steaking EC. Likewise go get a cup of coffee if you see the same number hit twicein a row. Not that its as devastating but it does mess with the EC like if 1R hit 3 times within like 6 spins it can mess things up a little. Only thing i can see go wrong is if you use too large unit size or break the progression and try to go higher steps.
Very nicely written. Good luck with this.
Quote from: Thunder Pants on Jan 16, 07:05 PM 2017At the same time when a single EC's is streaking (Lets say Red) you will notice that the other 2 EC's (High/low and Even/uneven) is bound to change even more frequently aka you could say its the streaks "upkeep"-condition.
Am not sure of this though. I have often seen two ECs streak. When I say often, I mean very common.
By the way what is the progression you use?
Hi Thunder Pants,
.
Firstly, good luck with your idea.
I have been looking at something similar (back posts on this forum are a wealth of ideas/info.) Can I refer you to MM August 7, 2012. `Progression needed for playing on all EC`s at same time` The most interesting reply is by Flatino: #8 August 8th, 2012. but there are also a couple of other good relevant posts.
I have looked at triggers for everything under the sun and come to the conclusion that 9 times out of 10 they work but the tenth time is when you encounter the RFH. I have been playing all 3 EC`s at same time with FTL and using Flatino`s staking. EC`s will average 50%: Dozens will average 33% etc. etc. so mainly it is a waste of time looking for triggers because you will just end up at about average anyway.
I have been testing playing all 3 EC`s with FTL and Flatinos progression. You know exactly what to bet and how much to stake each time and so far it has held up very well and and stakes have not gone above 5 units on each EC (3 x 5) so is an easy and relatively stress free way of playing.
No tracking and easy to record where your stake is at. You do not usually see all 3 EC`s streaking or chopping at the same time and believe that this is what makes it a powerful way of playing. This progression is what I call the snakes and ladders type which I like most. Also you could drop back more with units staked if you are well in front but do not let us get ahead of ourselves.
Brian
Oh, and there is probably a couple of situations i didnt mention. Like what to do if you meet a Zero. So far ive been lucky in my sessions but we all know Zero can really cripple things if your unit size it large. So far ive been sticking to the procedure/rules when encountering a Zero aka you cant bet anything as no 2 or 3 numbers follow, so just wait and accept the loss on both step 1 or 2 in the progression. Recovery usually only takes a few spins anyway. If you do run into a wheel where Zero has just been crazy "hot" then perhaps choose another if possible or wait for a dealer change.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 17, 01:03 AM 2017
Very nicely written. Good luck with this.
Am not sure of this though. I have often seen two ECs streak. When I say often, I mean very common.
By the way what is the progression you use?
Thanks! Been using 1, 2, Stop aka basicly just a low/high bet progression. In real life tested with 10, 20 bets & a 300 unit bankroll & stopped once i each 50% win aka 150 units.
Oh and yes, i see 2 ECs as well often, however rarely for longer steaks than a handfull. This is also why its fairly importent to stay clear of when a number repeats as its the "ultimate" streak on all 3 EC's. Again i could (quite possible very often) be wrong about the remaining non-streaking EC being more "changing" during a EC streak. My initial theory may be completely wrong, and perhaps the only reason the strategy works is simply that BB and RRR, HH, EEE is simply more frequent than RRRR, UUUU and LLLL. So you should get more wins longterm no matter what airheaded reason i dream'd up :xd:
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 17, 02:16 AM 2017
Hi Thunder Pants,
.
Firstly, good luck with your idea.
I have been looking at something similar (back posts on this forum are a wealth of ideas/info.) Can I refer you to MM August 7, 2012. `Progression needed for playing on all EC`s at same time` The most interesting reply is by Flatino: #8 August 8th, 2012. but there are also a couple of other good relevant posts.
I have looked at triggers for everything under the sun and come to the conclusion that 9 times out of 10 they work but the tenth time is when you encounter the RFH. I have been playing all 3 EC`s at same time with FTL and using Flatino`s staking. EC`s will average 50%: Dozens will average 33% etc. etc. so mainly it is a waste of time looking for triggers because you will just end up at about average anyway.
I have been testing playing all 3 EC`s with FTL and Flatinos progression. You know exactly what to bet and how much to stake each time and so far it has held up very well and and stakes have not gone above 5 units on each EC (3 x 5) so is an easy and relatively stress free way of playing.
No tracking and easy to record where your stake is at. You do not usually see all 3 EC`s streaking or chopping at the same time and believe that this is what makes it a powerful way of playing. This progression is what I call the snakes and ladders type which I like most. Also you could drop back more with units staked if you are well in front but do not let us get ahead of ourselves.
Brian
Thanks! ill definately have a look at your reference. Also i think you are right there was also a multi EC thread about a month or so ago about betting all 3 EC at the same time & its definately viable, just have to figure out how to implement it & how much. The current version above only allows 1 EC bet at a time for safety reasons as if we run into a Zero or a repeating number or one of the few numbers that has the same 3 EC as before .. then worst case we lose 1 or 2 units depending on where you are in the progression and it can be recovered in just a few spins however loosing all 3 EC would be a slightly more unpleasant even. So if you want "safe" stick to one single bet.
However the benefits of betting 3 EC at the same time speaks well in strategies like this one where the winrate is high. The flexiblilty of 3 seperate bets may well prove invaluable longterm if done right even with the danger from Zero (and friends). Like perhaps extend the strategy to not only include RR and RRR but also the single R & add another step in the progression so its a bit more dangerous 1, 2, 4. The single R is definately also as common as RR. A LOT more bets to do with potential rewards & needs a fair bit of testing. Rule 1 is still unquestional that is for sure. And those Zero is gonna hurt, but it could work.
Hi,
Play French tables with La Partage rule for when you encountering a zero.
I keep trying to bring this up in threads, but no one seems interested.
You're thought process about "intuitive" bet selection is interesting and valid IMO.
What I have been ranting on lately is bet selection this way.
Look at the last two. If they are the same, play the same. If they change,
then play for the chop to continue. This captures streaks of both series and
chops. I have been studying this for a while.
There is NOTHING magic about it. Except it "keeps you on the road" while capitalizing
on streaks.
I have a paper here. I went today. Made $30 ($5 bets).
The results from each EC (including one zero) are as follows.
R/B 24 wins 18 loss
O/E 21 W 22 L
H/L 21W 21 L
Basically even. Now to blow the forum off the map, wouldn't it be correct that
NO ONE thinks that they, somehow, are going to win every spin?
That being said, the BEST selection method is one where you can get even.
SImple, stupid, obvious point. THis seems to do it. Is it EXACT? No.
Nothing is. But it certainly stays within bankroll tolerance of things.
While I was at the table at the end, and watching, this kid sat down next to me
with $100. A streak of black was starting. 4-5 black. He began chasing red.
(And wouldn't stop). Betting $15-$20. Killed his $100 bankroll. He asked me
what I was writing and so forth. I explained it. Told him to NEVER fight a trend.
Maybe one bet for it to stop. But that's it. I can tell he didn't get it.
Anyway, I've tried this a bunch of times with similar results. What it comes down to
(with capability of doing this), is that it we know WHAT will happen. We just don't
know in what order!!!!!! HAving said that, if you let it, then a losing streak of
7-8 could KILL you. Unless you know you will recoup.
Working within these boundaries and finding the sweet spot for a D'alenbert or any
other means is the thing that needs to be studied. IF you know you will recover.
And that is what I'm looking at. Weather stopping after 2 losses. Entry at better
times in the cycle?
But this cycle is where it's at. Unless you are happy with no cycle and push your
bankroll.
One idea I have is similar to the Oscar grind. Betting 1 unit on all the losses and then
going up on the wins.
Thoughts?
Just an update. I am still playing all 3 EC`s at same time. FTL. It is still winning though as I expected the units bet each spin have increased. What happens is you win a few spins and lose a few more than, but you get something like: 2 4 2 8 4 or 21 23 25 21 or 20 22 24 24 etc. etc. and we have all seen these sort of runs on a pretty regular basis. This puts you back on track. It is so easy to play with no tracking and just work out staking level in your head.
Another update. Just played on Betway casino. 3 x EC`s at same time used prog. posted by Flatino (Did I read somewhere that he was deceased?)
that I mentioned earlier. Well this is going well. Highest stake 3 x 6 units. Up £70 in just under 1 hour. (Air-ball)
This needs Mogul to test as he puts the mockers on everything or anyone else that feels the urge. To early obviously to say that this is a long term winner but I am keeping my fingers crossed.
Brian
Link to flatinos post would be good. Didn't find it :(
Thanks
Hex
Definately should be some very solid 3 EC streaking strategies. Even the original strategy above that is based around hoping the EC will chance would probably work just as well if use with EC will stay the same. Dosnt even matter if you believe future spin is or isnt affected by past spin and all that "gamblers fallacy" thingy .. because if there simply is enough win chances & a small progression to collect em then you should be in balance at least.
Hi Hexfex,
Sorry but I do not do links. Look on here on home page, go into page 9 Money Management, Progression needed for playing all 3 EC`s is the topic title by Malcop. Look through the posts on there for Flatinos about suggested prog.
Brian
Hi Thunderpants,
How I agree with you; you can play for something to happen or not happen. If it is an even chance it will come out 50/50 whichever way that you play.
I like playing all 3 EC`s at same time as it takes the guessing out of the equation. If I do not have a defined system/prog. then I just flounder all over the place sticking anything on anywhere and getting into a right tizzy.
Brian
Hi all,
Here is some data from a short session on Betway airball last night. Playing all 3 EC`s every spin. Same as last (FTL)
5 (marker) 19 26 23 0 32 6 6 24 9 28 8 14 23 16 15 0 8 7 3 26 9 1 15 1 36 33 31 13 (These are numbers spun)
2 1 1 0 2 1 3 2 0 0 2 2 1 1 1 0 2 1 3 0 03 2 2 1 1 3 2 (wins out of 3)
1 1 2 3 5 4 5 3 2 4 6 5 4 5 6 7 9 8 9 7 9 11 9 8 7 8 9 7 (Stakes x 3 each spin)
+1 -1 -2 -9 +10 -4 +15 +6 -6 -12 +12 +10 -4 -5 -6 -21 +18 -8 +27 -21 -27 +33 +18 +16 -7 -8 +27 +14 (+/- each spin)
This was a unremarkable short session. Ended up +66 units. 28 spins.
Good luck everyone,
Brian.
Just a note: I started on 1 unit and ended on 7 units but that was sticking to prog. There were times that I could have reduced units staked. At end on 7 units I could have reverted to 1 unit for next spin. Will be playing again tonight so will post abbreviated results later.
Brian
Great Brian I found it with your description... :twisted: :twisted:
Thanks
Hex
Results tonight. 30 spins x 3 opps. to bet = 90 Won 41 (less that 50%) Max. stake 5 x 3 Won 55 units. Easy peasy (for how long?)-
Brian
(Where is Mogul when you need him - probably spending (wasting) his time in some God forsaken US casino) Need him for testing
Hello Brian, did now my first test 64 spins +65 Lepartage Roule but 0 count as a full loss 3 zeros
0 EC wins = 7
1 EC wins = 19
2 EC wins = 29
3 EC wins = 8
Highest bet 14 (*3)
Here the string of how many EC wins FTL 2-2-2-3-3-1-2-3-2-2-1-2-1-0-2-2-2-1-2-2-1-2-1-2-2-2-0-2-2-1-3-1-2-0-2-0-1-1-2-1-1-2-1-0-1-0-1-2-1-3-1-2-3-2-1-3-2-2-0-3-2-2-1
Hex
Hi Hex,
You did good. We will have to spread the word.
Good luck, Brian
(off to view Rolls Royces tomorrow!!!!!!!!)
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 19, 03:10 PM 2017
Results tonight. 30 spins x 3 opps. to bet = 90 Won 41 (less that 50%) Max. stake 5 x 3 Won 55 units. Easy peasy (for how long?)-
Brian
(Where is Mogul when you need him - probably spending (wasting) his time in some God forsaken US casino) Need him for testing
Mogul is right here Bleep. And you are correct, I am "wasting" my time
in US casinos. But that's cheaper than flying to Europe and it is 15 min
away.
I'd be "Testing" it if I knew what to do. My tolerance for complexity is low,
and I often wait till things flush out to see. In this case it continues to be
confusing using "even" and "non even". That sounds sillier than your
English accent. And then in the explanation in in the opening post
it says,
Next number is 23R so we have 23R, 11B, 22B, 28B and the last 2 is both Even so i bet that the next number is Uneven.
So 23 and 11 (is) both even? What's that supposed to mean.
I often put my foot in my mouth too early for being stupid, so I thought I'd
wait. Yes I'm here.
Just got back from my (almost) daily trip. Won my $20. While I was there a
guy was sitting next to me. I've noticed on this machine that whenever
25 or 27 show the other one shows soon. He was playing numbers, so I mentioned
it to him when I saw 25 come in and earlier a 27/25 combo. He weakly
covered it, and I was watching ready to leave. Well about 6 spins later I
got up, and swung my fist and yelled 27!!!!!!! It was 27.
I pointed it out. Said "I don't know why I notice it". And left.
Clairvoyant? No. But not sure if it means anything relationally.
So figure out what the hell this method means and I'll join you in both
testing and playing. Tonight I had good luck on paper with the double dozen
thing we're looking at, playing +1 after the 1st loss and increasing.
And most of my winning are from intuitive bets on EC related to your NLE,
and variations close to that. Spot bets.
"Toodles".
Hi Mogul,
Nice to hear from you. Some of the things that I say are just jokey and to wind you up a bit!!!!! (Us Geordies like fun)
What I would like you to test is: Bet all 3 EC`s every spin. Same as last. Prog: start on 1 unit (x3) If you win only 1 bet out of 3: increase by 1 unit (x3) if win 2 out of 3: decrease 1 unit (x 3) if win 3 out of 3: decrease by 2 units.(x 3) If lose all 3 out of 3: increase by 2 units ( x 3.)
This is extremely easy to play. No tracking and next stake is easily determined. Read my posts on this topic in this thread if you are unsure.
Good luck, hope to hear from you soon,
Brian
I'll look at this later.
Actually I find you fun and amusing. I like people who add content,
and actually test and play methods. RG probably doesn't see it, but
I enjoy him too. Even his jokey animations. Cause he adds useful
perspectives.
Your latest pun was a kind of "catch you off guard" thing.
"Where's mogul when you need him".
Remember. I latched on to the core of the things you have been going
lately with NLE and such. What I am SORT OF finding is that if you are
spot playing those things when it looks and feels right, then it works.
What kills it is being mechanical. And it eventually bites you. (Can't
tell you how many zeros I've missed at these "God forsaken US casino",
because I was watching.
I have a busy day today. (8AM now), but I'll be back on this.
Thanks
the one.....
the ONLY.......
MMMOOOGGGGUUUUULLLLLL!!!!!!!
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 19, 08:35 PM 2017
...
Next number is 23R so we have 23R, 11B, 22B, 28B and the last 2 is both Even so i bet that the next number is Uneven.
So 23 and 11 (is) both even? What's that supposed to mean.
...
My bad :P Even proofread it a couple of times, but then again it was just past midnight. I guess its true, you really need someone else to proofread anything importent as your mind can blocks out the errors.
Anyways that is supposed to read: "Next number is 23R so we have 23R, 11B, 22B, 28B and the last 2 is both UNEVEN so i bet that the next number is EVEN."
Hope i didnt mess up the colours as well. Anything else that makes no sense in there let me know :thumbsup:
Hi Thunder Pants,
I do not know what you are playing. It is not the same as me. I am playing all 3 EC`s every spin FTL and using prog. posted by Flatino referred to in my earlier posts in this thread.
Brian
(Played my way as a session of 24 spins. Ended up only + 5 units - a lot of chops and hardly any series explains it. On airball and I personally think that `live` dealer is better. I will be switching)
Hi Mogul,
Thanks for getting in touch and your `nice` comments. I know that you will be busy in Washington to-day.
I look forward to you testing this idea and I have another one ready for after that. I like to keep you busy and out of trouble!!!!
Brian
Ha Ha.
Well, for the record I have been in favor of Donald Trump since the beginning.
Reason? He apparently will do whatever he feels necessary to get something
done instead of tip toeing around in political correctness. And has dressed it
down enough that he can and will just say what needs to be said.
So I was very excited that he got elected. And am hoping that he will be
able to shake the sheets on a lot of things that, quite frankly as he says,
were just given away by this country. Money and jobs.
So we'll see if this works.
I was at cardio rehab in the morning and "babysitting" all afternoon. Just
got home.
Now, back to work.
What is FTL?
And Flatinos progression?
Link?
follow the last!!!!! MOGUL!!
Tried the method.
Page 106 from zumma.
Chugged along pretty well in the first columb. The
balance was up to almost 20 near the end of the first columb.
Then the tide changed and I gave up with my bets being
10 units each, -40, and a couple zeros coming up.
Thumbs down.
Hi Mogul,
Thanks for that. Forgot that you will be playing American wheel (0 - 00) so probably makes a bit difference from my playing.
Brian
Quote from: bleep24 on Jan 21, 01:53 AM 2017
Hi Mogul,
Thanks for that. Forgot that you will be playing American wheel (0 - 00) so probably makes a bit difference from my playing.
Brian
Yes (of course) and no. I didn't have lost of zeros to get me in the bad spot.
As it happened (if I remember) I was climbing the bet ladder and hit a couple
triple losses. That helped big losses and a 2 digit increase in my bet.
RG (or someone) called me the "thread killer". A title duly earned. But in
the spirit of my "wallpaper test", if I can't blow through a quick test for
maybe 3 tries without something bad or stupid happening, then that is a
quick indicator that it smells bad.
(I can't even steal ONE cookie from the cookie jar).
But it felt good while it was working.
Not even sure if this test is representative of the original
post.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 20, 06:36 PM 2017
Ha Ha.
Well, for the record I have been in favor of Donald Trump since the beginning.
Reason? He apparently will do whatever he feels necessary to get something
done instead of tip toeing around in political correctness. And has dressed it
down enough that he can and will just say what needs to be said.
So I was very excited that he got elected. And am hoping that he will be
able to shake the sheets on a lot of things that, quite frankly as he says,
were just given away by this country. Money and jobs.
So we'll see if this works.
I was at cardio rehab in the morning and "babysitting" all afternoon. Just
got home.
Now, back to work.
Mogul,
You, a Massachusetts resident, voting for the Republican Party candidate !
How many such individuals are there, like you? We can probably count them with our fingers.
Anyway, good decision, my friend !
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 21, 07:28 PM 2017
Mogul,
You, a Massachusetts resident, voting for the Republican Party candidate !
How many such individuals are there, like you? We can probably count them with our fingers.
Anyway, good decision, my friend !
We've been republican since forever. My wife and I were on the local
"republican committee" for a while till we lost interest, seeing Scott Brown
(met him may times), "get in and get out".
The funny part about it was, after the shock of the election, I would say things
here and there. And people were high fiving me about it and reaction positively.
One guy made mention of a district close by that he was in that was strong
republican.
People are like sheep, and all these assholes that went out today to "protest" followed
the pack, and had not point, but they thought they should. They didn't even protest
any actual thing.
What did Trump do? It's the 2nd day?
I am old enough to remember how things "were" and also see from my parents time
how they "were". WHat they should go back to. And how Obama doubled the deficit.
Let's make America great again. Strange words for anyone who can't remember what
that means. That's how they get you to follow the pack.
Quote from: mogul397 on Jan 21, 09:12 PM 2017
We've been republican since forever. My wife and I were on the local
"republican committee" for a while till we lost interest, seeing Scott Brown
(met him may times), "get in and get out".
The funny part about it was, after the shock of the election, I would say things
here and there. And people were high fiving me about it and reaction positively.
One guy made mention of a district close by that he was in that was strong
republican.
People are like sheep, and all these assholes that went out today to "protest" followed
the pack, and had not point, but they thought they should. They didn't even protest
any actual thing.
What did Trump do? It's the 2nd day?
I am old enough to remember how things "were" and also see from my parents time
how they "were". WHat they should go back to. And how Obama doubled the deficit.
Let's make America great again. Strange words for anyone who can't remember what
that means. That's how they get you to follow the pack.
Mogul,
Yes, I can relate to your sentiments, but the fact remains that your home state of Massachusetts is one of the bluest of all states (along with Washington state, California, and New York).
It is interesting you mentioned Scott Brown. He did beat Martha Coakley who was a very poor opponent to start out with.
But the moment Elizabeth Warren (a respectable and formidable opponent) threw her hat into the ring, Scott Brown's re-election chances were toast.
bonjour ceci n'est pas un site de politique il me semble que le jeux est le sujet?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 22, 12:56 AM 2017
Mogul,
Yes, I can relate to your sentiments, but the fact remains that your home state of Massachusetts is one of the bluest of all states (along with Washington state, California, and New York).
It is interesting you mentioned Scott Brown. He did beat Martha Coakley who was a very poor opponent to start out with.
But the moment Elizabeth Warren (a respectable and formidable opponent) threw her hat into the ring, Scott Brown's re-election chances were toast.
Ferr Shur!!!
And the thing that pisses you off, no matter what the parties, is how an unknown
can show up and get heavy backing, and win.
(I suppose that's the beef about Trump)