If we want to find a HG, maybe we should think as we were the Casino bank

[winforus]

It is the variance isn’t, that kills a system?

No, it's the variance that kills the casinos in the short term. In the long run, it evens out and the variance doesn't have such a big effect, hence why casinos make so much money. It's funny how people throw around the term "variance", without actually knowing what it means.

[Joe]

Ironically, it's variance which draws people to systems in the first place, because it gives them hope that they can win long term. They get completely fixated by it and are convinced that it's the problem, nothing to do with the house edge. 

If only they would learn some basic probability.

[Moxy]

Like the popup ad telling people to get my computer free and split profits?

I've explained it many many times. So have others. I keep the finer points to myself.

What good would it do for me to give away my algorithms, dopey? Anyone wanting proof can test my computers on any wheel they want.

Im not surprised. You can't even understand grade 3 math.

E=mc^2
Is that better?

It's actually just that I tell straight truth.

Now this hurts.

Don't you hate being undervalued or even being flat out called out for being a sham?  Your level of transparency should remove most doubts.   But alas.  People can be the worst.

I must say though, a guy with multi-millions worth in IP and multi-millions more somewhere in a haven slumming here for an HG to slip through the cracks is kind of chintzy imo.

[winforus]

For the clueless system players, still not understanding the odds, let me explain it to you in another way.

In order to understand how good or bad a bet is, you need to see if you make the same bet many many times, how much will you expect to win (or lose) per bet on average. This is called expected value (EV).

To calculate expected value, use this formula:
(amount won) * (probability of winning) + (amount lost) * (probability of losing)

For example, let's say that you are betting $10 on red or black on a european wheel (37 numbers) :

10 * (18/37) + (-10) * (19/37) =  -0.2702702702702701

This means that on average, you would lose 27 cents per every $10 that you bet on red or black.

Over the short period of time, you may end up winning, but in the long run when the variance evens out, you will end up losing.
This is why, the only way to win in roulette, is to increase the accuracy of your predictions. When you increase the accuracy of your predictions, the odds of winning change in your favor, and then you end up winning in the long run.

[jay]

No, it's the variance that kills the casinos in the short term. In the long run, it evens out and the variance doesn't have such a big effect, hence why casinos make so much money. It's funny how people throw around the term "variance", without actually knowing what it means.

Absolute rubbish, if I play 10 numbers for a cycle I should hit 10 times, but it doesn’t happen, what caused that HE?
It’s Variance.

[Joe]

Jay, failed again mate.

[winforus]

Ironically, it's variance which draws people to systems in the first place, because it gives them hope that they can win long term. They get completely fixated by it and are convinced that it's the problem, nothing to do with the house edge. 

If only they would learn some basic probability.

That's exactly right and it doesn't just apply to roulette, but to all games of chance in a casino.

I used to play online poker semi-professionally  (over 1 million hands lifetime), and we would call those players "fish". The fish has no understanding of the odds and professional players always try to play at the tables with the most fish. When the fish would lose - they would blame it on luck and variance - not understanding that the fundamental mistakes that they do over and over again (due to not understanding odds and probability), is the reason as to why they lose.

The system players on this forum are fish Call them fish!

[jay]

I used to play online poker semi-professionally  (over 1 million hands lifetime), and we would call those players "fish". The fish has no understanding of the odds and professional players always try to play at the tables with the most fish. When the fish would lose - they would blame it on luck and variance - not understanding that the fundamental mistakes that they do over and over again (due to not understanding odds and probability), is the reason as to why they lose.

The system players on this forum are fish Call them fish!

You couldn’t turn Pro because you were the FISH 

[winforus]

You couldn’t turn Pro because you were the FISH 

It was my only source of income while I was studying(hence semi-professionally), and afterwards I found even more profitable venture, nice try fishy

[jay]

You’re full of fish
What r you saying, you were a SEMI-FISH, like an amphibian?
I m trier for sure Semi-fish
That’s your name from now on, Semi-Fish
Winforus-Semifish

[jay]

Not sure, maybe, Smelly-Fish

[Steve]

Don't you hate being undervalued or even being flat out called out for being a sham?

People don't know what they don't know, so assume they know. Recognition comes from knowing in myself, and appreciation from players.

I must say though, a guy with multi-millions worth in IP and multi-millions more somewhere in a haven slumming here for an HG to slip through the cracks is kind of chintzy imo.

Not as bad as The President Of The United States ranting on twitter.

I do waste time on pointless discussions, mostly in attempt to genuinely help people understand basics. But the forum is still a valuable source to find new players. Maybe 1 in 1000 new visitors here are suited to AP / computers though.

And again I don't need the HG. I already beat almost every wheel to the point we must deliberately lose to avoid detection. But if the HG comes along, and I'm not in too deep with other ventures, I'd consider it closely - after proper proof.

[Moxy]

And again I don't need the HG. I already beat almost every wheel to the point we must deliberately lose to avoid detection. But if the HG comes along, and I'm not in too deep with other ventures, I'd consider it closely - after proper proof.

At least a mil correct?

[Steve]

If your HG is bet on 1m spins with a progression and end up with $1 profit, no.

If you can demonstrate a system is actually financial viable (easy for the hg), I'm flexible with pricing.

And again, I'm not particularly desperate for it.

[Moxy]

If your HG is bet on 1m spins with a progression and end up with $1 profit, no.

If you can demonstrate a system is actually financial viable (easy for the hg), I'm flexible with pricing.

And again, I'm not particularly desperate for it.

You've read my specs.  The pricing is what is making you apprehensive.


But for honest context, Precog, RC, etc., does not compare in terms of (mental + physical) accessibility, convenience, expediency, undetectability, practicality, with very high win rate + every spin wagering importantly still in tact.  That should be worth something.