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L--ines
E-eliminated
T-o
W-in

--First spin virtual....one line eliminated
--Bet until 3 lines hit....elimination
--Restart win/lose when 2 lines left unhited.

That is that.All in atachment.

Btw-after any los rise 1 unit on unhited lines.

"Line" is what exactly?

Quote from: ophis on Jan 23, 03:49 PM 2011
"Line" is what exactly?

Double streets Ophis mate.

basically your betting 5 lines after the virtual and elimaniting until 2 are left correct.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jan 23, 03:33 PM 2011
L--ines
E-eliminated
T-o
W-in

--First spin virtual....one line eliminated
--Bet until 3 lines hit....elimination
Bet on what exactly here, ...on which lines(asking because the 3 lines are eliminated?) ???--...and the first line was eliminated, too?
Restart win/lose when 2 lines left unhited.

That is that.All in atachment.

by the way-after any los rise 1 unit on unhited lines.

Which 3 lines are eliminated????Don't get it.

Quote from: warrior on Jan 23, 03:56 PM 2011
Basically your betting 5 lines after the virtual and elimaniting until 2 are left correct.

--Correct mate.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jan 23, 04:14 PM 2011
Which 3 lines are eliminated????Don't get it.

...after the first line hit, that's a virtual spin and on which lines we have to bet next?

Quote from: LeoLeo11 on Jan 23, 04:19 PM 2011
...after the first line hit, that's a virtual spin and on which lines we have to bet next?

Remaining 5 lines 2 un.each....eliminating any further hit line and
rising 1 un.on unhited lines.All clear in attachment.

I see now, yaah..., on the 5 lines remaining after the first virtual and that's the first level of betting.
Thanks, mate!

Where are LIONS from???

...just bulgarian lions :)

Hvala bratko.

Enjoy.

Thats an average of over .55units per spin for that session  :thumbsup:

Is there anyway you can run that over more spins to see if it holds up?

Ophis, thank you for the Tracker  :)


The community appreciates it  :thumbsup:

Thanks Ophis mate,will do some large spins testing.

Except that I don't know how to open the tracker
after I moved it to my descopt as a file.
Any advice.

First Test ended in -70 Units

Will Test more later today

Your way of betting unil 2 lines left didint work well . Progression went to 25atep in some cases. But betting until end of progression for example 6step then retrack work quite well. In tracker u set up custom progressio.

This is zip file try to unpack it :/ if not ill send you exe after i came bqck home.

Quote from: ophis on Jan 24, 05:46 AM 2011
Your way of betting unil 2 lines left didint work well . Progression went to 25atep in some cases. But betting until end of progression for example 6step then retrack work quite well. In tracker you set up custom progressio.

This is zip file try to unpack it :/ if not ill send you exe after I came bqck home.

OK Ophis mate wait for exe.

FLAT google "winrar download". Instal it and you will be able to open most "packed" files.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jan 24, 05:45 AM 2011
First Test ended in -70 Units

Will Test more later today

Twisty mate,
in how many spins did you went 70-

Quote from: ophis on Jan 24, 07:31 AM 2011
FLAT google "winrar download". Instal it and you will be able to open most "packed" files.

Did as you said but situation same.That kind of
work is not for me.Why it shouldn't be much simpler...that I just click
on the tracker and get it in function...but all these preliminaries kill me.

Because exe files (click and go) are very dangerous in terms of trojans.
ZIPing file make harder for viruses to get in.

Most mail providers and forums are not allowing posting exe files.

Afyer you install WinRAR3 you will be able to open and drag on desktop.

Win XP have buil-in unpacker but I guess you have turned off that function. I will later show you how to turn it on.



And i hope you have downloaded 3rd file from replay13 and not 1st which is just a picture  ???

how about waiting for 3 virtual ,then bet for until 2 lines are left.

Quote from: warrior on Jan 24, 10:51 AM 2011
How about waiting for 3 virtual ,then bet for until 2 lines are left.

Don't get what you mean Warrior.
--3 virtuals/with eliminatiom/would left us with E/C bet,3 unhit lines to bet.

Quote from: warrior on Jan 24, 10:51 AM 2011
How about waiting for 3 virtual ,then bet for until 2 lines are left.

If you want to change something beside progression value and length then I suggest waiting for 2 vl then bet remaining lines + the one that just hit to protekt against repeaters.


by the way. In tracker progression is setup on 6 steps (5 bets) and it reset/retrack whenever end of progression is reach OR when 2 lines left depending which will happen firts.

So if you enter progression 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 it will reset when 2 lines left because its unlikely to have so much loses.

But if you enter 1,2,3,4 it will reset after 3 bets regardles how many lines left.

Also in advanced you can save graph and/or history to show results of different mods..

Units amount is limited to 256 (to save system resources) but this can be changed if needed.

Quote from: ophis on Jan 24, 11:40 AM 2011
If you want to change something beside progression value and length then I suggest waiting for 2 vl then bet remaining lines + the one that just hit to protekt against repeaters.


by the way. In tracker progression is setup on 6 steps (5 bets) and it reset/retrack whenever end of progression is reach OR when 2 lines left depending which will happen firts.

So if you enter progression 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 it will reset when 2 lines left because its unlikely to have so much loses.

But if you enter 1,2,3,4 it will reset after 3 bets regardles how many lines left.

Also in advanced you can save graph and/or history to show results of different mods..

Units amount is limited to 256 (to save system resources) but this can be changed if needed.

if your waiting for 2 vl, and betting remaining line's plus the line that just  hit  your still at 5 lines  the idea is to bet no more the 18 numbers and progress from there.

Ophis mate,I have rechecked my so far tested circles of bets
and come to conclusion that we do not go further then 5 step--2,3,4,5
4 spins actually,no further......as all wins come in these 4 spins,and even if you lose 2 and win 2
there is no harm done.Have a look in my excel and you will see that 75% won 20 units.
Have done another 200 spins test and the same thing.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jan 24, 12:03 PM 2011
Ophis mate,I have rechecked my so far tested circles of bets
and come to conclusion that we do not go further then 5
step--2,3,4,5
4 spins actually,no further......as all wins come in these 4 spins,and even if you lose 2 and win 2
there is no harm done.Have a look in my excel and you will see that 75% won 20 units.
Have done another 200 spins test and the same thing.

The graph I have showed would look differently if I woudnt limit to 5 bets. In that set of numbers progression would reach 16step resulting in -190 profit a the end. And iv seen progression go up to 25step when testing 20k+ spins...

Look at spin 324-338 over there for example you have 14 step progression.
this is the same set of number like graph from 1st page. But over there progression limit was 6 steps. here is 30.

======================================
LETWin by F_LAT_INO
24/01/2011
17:22:13

Spins: 385   |   Bets: 317

Wins: 201   |   Loses: 116

Min Profit: -277
Max Profit: 179

Max Prog: 16

PROFIT: -192
======================================

SPIN	NUMBER	LINE	L/W	PROFIT
001	6	1
002	19	4	W	2
003	15	3	W	6
004	23	4	L	-12
005	9	2	W	15
006	11	2
007	2	1	W	2
008	3	1	L	-12
009	27	5	W	8
010	34	6	W	15
011	23	4
012	2	1	W	2
013	28	5	W	6
014	15	3	W	12
015	33	6
016	18	3	W	2
017	36	6	L	-12
018	27	5	W	8
019	31	6	L	-15
020	36	6	L	-18
021	17	3	L	-21
022	13	3	L	-24
023	36	6	L	-27
024	29	5	L	-30
025	10	2	W	33
026	34	6
027	1	1	W	2
028	9	2	W	6
029	27	5	W	12
030	21	4
031	2	1	W	2
032	32	6	W	6
033	13	3	W	12
034	34	6
035	2	1	W	2
036	18	3	W	6
037	31	6	L	-12
038	24	4	W	15
039	21	4
040	34	6	W	2
041	27	5	W	6
042	1	1	W	12
043	22	4
044	5	1	W	2
045	14	3	W	6
046	32	6	W	12
047	19	4
048	16	3	W	2
049	19	4	L	-12
050	2	1	W	8
051	20	4	L	-15
052	33	6	W	18
053	21	4
054	7	2	W	2
055	31	6	W	6
056	23	4	L	-12
057	11	2	L	-15
058	1	1	W	18
059	21	4
060	22	4	L	-10
061	30	5	W	4
062	4	1	W	10
063	10	2	W	18
064	7	2
065	20	4	W	2
066	34	6	W	6
067	15	3	W	12
068	18	3
069	14	3	L	-10
070	4	1	W	4
071	19	4	W	10
072	11	2	W	18
073	26	5
074	32	6	W	2
075	29	5	L	-12
076	25	5	L	-16
077	16	3	W	10
078	19	4	W	18
079	23	4
080	35	6	W	2
081	5	1	W	6
082	16	3	W	12
083	28	5
084	5	1	W	2
085	29	5	L	-12
086	21	4	W	8
087	13	3	W	15
088	30	5
089	3	1	W	2
090	13	3	W	6
091	26	5	L	-12
092	29	5	L	-15
093	10	2	W	18
094	29	5
095	6	1	W	2
096	4	1	L	-12
097	7	2	W	8
098	33	6	W	15
099	30	5
100	36	6	W	2
101	29	5	L	-12
102	35	6	L	-16
103	23	4	W	10
104	20	4	L	-18
105	21	4	L	-21
106	2	1	W	24
107	34	6
108	22	4	W	2
109	29	5	W	6
110	3	1	W	12
111	13	3
112	7	2	W	2
113	15	3	L	-12
114	17	3	L	-16
115	21	4	W	10
116	12	2	L	-18
117	2	1	W	21
118	10	2
119	25	5	W	2
120	24	4	W	6
121	24	4	L	-12
122	9	2	L	-15
123	28	5	L	-18
124	1	1	W	21
125	22	4
126	15	3	W	2
127	3	1	W	6
128	7	2	W	12
129	17	3
130	17	3	L	-10
131	18	3	L	-20
132	34	6	W	6
133	13	3	L	-28
134	32	6	L	-32
135	8	2	W	18
136	32	6	L	-30
137	26	5	W	33
138	18	3
139	2	1	W	2
140	2	1	L	-12
141	27	5	W	8
142	22	4	W	15
143	29	5
144	18	3	W	2
145	35	6	W	6
146	27	5	L	-12
147	6	1	W	15
148	12	2
149	2	1	W	2
150	28	5	W	6
151	8	2	L	-12
152	32	6	W	15
153	31	6
154	19	4	W	2
155	20	4	L	-12
156	6	1	W	8
157	23	4	L	-15
158	18	3	W	18
159	17	3
160	1	1	W	2
161	3	1	L	-12
162	31	6	W	8
163	32	6	L	-15
164	36	6	L	-18
165	18	3	L	-21
166	28	5	W	24
167	29	5
168	19	4	W	2
169	33	6	W	6
170	25	5	L	-12
171	16	3	W	15
172	36	6
173	22	4	W	2
174	6	1	W	6
175	5	1	L	-12
176	15	3	W	15
177	16	3
178	10	2	W	2
179	26	5	W	6
180	6	1	W	12
181	9	2
182	16	3	W	2
183	27	5	W	6
184	35	6	W	12
185	32	6
186	35	6	L	-10
187	19	4	W	4
188	18	3	W	10
189	24	4	L	-18
190	1	1	W	21
191	16	3
192	25	5	W	2
193	6	1	W	6
194	16	3	L	-12
195	10	2	W	15
196	23	4
197	1	1	W	2
198	33	6	W	6
199	31	6	L	-12
200	8	2	W	15
201	13	3
202	17	3	L	-10
203	12	2	W	4
204	0	0	L	-20
205	13	3	L	-24
206	30	5	W	14
207	10	2	L	-24
208	30	5	L	-27
209	24	4	W	30
210	13	3
211	11	2	W	2
212	14	3	L	-12
213	28	5	W	8
214	20	4	W	15
215	13	3
216	21	4	W	2
217	1	1	W	6
218	26	5	W	12
219	11	2
220	8	2	L	-10
221	0	0	L	-20
222	9	2	L	-30
223	8	2	L	-40
224	35	6	W	10
225	32	6	L	-44
226	6	1	W	24
227	6	1	L	-39
228	23	4	W	42
229	21	4
230	9	2	W	2
231	20	4	L	-12
232	24	4	L	-16
233	5	1	W	10
234	30	5	W	18
235	11	2
236	13	3	W	2
237	11	2	L	-12
238	33	6	W	8
239	6	1	W	15
240	35	6
241	21	4	W	2
242	33	6	L	-12
243	7	2	W	8
244	12	2	L	-15
245	0	0	L	-18
246	3	1	W	21
247	18	3
248	32	6	W	2
249	19	4	W	6
250	11	2	W	12
251	6	1
252	13	3	W	2
253	13	3	L	-12
254	7	2	W	8
255	31	6	W	15
256	10	2
257	27	5	W	2
258	30	5	L	-12
259	2	1	W	8
260	6	1	L	-15
261	26	5	L	-18
262	15	3	W	21
263	25	5
264	26	5	L	-10
265	20	4	W	4
266	2	1	W	10
267	35	6	W	18
268	3	1
269	19	4	W	2
270	13	3	W	6
271	16	3	L	-12
272	29	5	W	15
273	20	4
274	33	6	W	2
275	6	1	W	6
276	17	3	W	12
277	32	6
278	16	3	W	2
279	14	3	L	-12
280	0	0	L	-16
281	7	2	W	10
282	17	3	L	-18
283	14	3	L	-21
284	21	4	W	24
285	15	3
286	34	6	W	2
287	25	5	W	6
288	20	4	W	12
289	6	1
290	16	3	W	2
291	11	2	W	6
292	25	5	W	12
293	25	5
294	4	1	W	2
295	16	3	W	6
296	25	5	L	-12
297	32	6	W	15
298	20	4
299	6	1	W	2
300	2	1	L	-12
301	15	3	W	8
302	32	6	W	15
303	22	4
304	33	6	W	2
305	13	3	W	6
306	26	5	W	12
307	7	2
308	6	1	W	2
309	0	0	L	-12
310	11	2	L	-16
311	25	5	W	10
312	14	3	W	18
313	10	2
314	5	1	W	2
315	19	4	W	6
316	15	3	W	12
317	13	3
318	2	1	W	2
319	24	4	W	6
320	13	3	L	-12
321	19	4	L	-15
322	31	6	W	18
323	8	2
324	3	1	W	2
325	10	2	L	-12
326	3	1	L	-16
327	36	6	W	10
328	33	6	L	-18
329	12	2	L	-21
330	31	6	L	-24
331	35	6	L	-27
332	31	6	L	-30
333	0	0	L	-33
334	36	6	L	-36
335	2	1	L	-39
336	1	1	L	-42
337	5	1	L	-45
338	29	5	W	48
339	15	3
340	18	3	L	-10
341	27	5	W	4
342	4	1	W	10
343	16	3	L	-18
344	21	4	W	21
345	14	3
346	8	2	W	2
347	7	2	L	-12
348	13	3	L	-16
349	0	0	L	-20
350	24	4	W	12
351	20	4	L	-21
352	18	3	L	-24
353	8	2	L	-27
354	17	3	L	-30
355	30	5	W	33
356	6	1
357	11	2	W	2
358	8	2	L	-12
359	6	1	L	-16
360	10	2	L	-20
361	29	5	W	12
362	11	2	L	-21
363	23	4	W	24
364	35	6
365	27	5	W	2
366	11	2	W	6
367	33	6	L	-12
368	25	5	L	-15
369	11	2	L	-18
370	6	1	W	21
371	4	1
372	3	1	L	-10
373	8	2	W	4
374	33	6	W	10
375	14	3	W	18
376	16	3
377	32	6	W	2
378	26	5	W	6
379	4	1	W	12
380	31	6
381	36	6	L	-10
382	5	1	W	4
383	28	5	W	10
384	20	4	W	18
385	22	4

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Quote from: warrior on Jan 24, 12:00 PM 2011
if your waiting for 2 vl, and betting remaining line's plus the line that just  hit  your still at 5 lines  the idea is to bet no more the 18 numbers and progress from there.

yes you are right but my idea was to catch repeaters which now are our worst nightmare.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jan 24, 11:21 AM 2011
Don't get what you mean Warrior.
--3 virtuals/with eliminatiom/would left us with E/C bet,3 unhit lines to bet.

im lost , i thought you said wait for a virtual  then bet the remaining line 's thats a 5 line bet,then remove the line that just hit leaving 4 then 3  ,we are down to 2 line stop,and re track  correct  , that's why i thought wait for 3 virtual then bet 3 remaining lines for an even money. with progression.or am i playing this all wrong?

Quote from: warrior on Jan 24, 12:31 PM 2011
I'm lost , I thought you said wait for a virtual  then bet the remaining line 's that's a 5 line bet,then remove the line that just hit leaving 4 then 3  ,we are down to 2 line stop,and re track  correct  , that's why I thought wait for 3 virtual then bet 3 remaining lines for an even money. with progression.or am I playing this all wrong?

Very dangerous betting 3 lines versus 3 lines as a E/C bet.

WE WILL FINWORK OUT THE BEST WAY,after some diff, testings.

Ok there was a quite big error resulting in very funny units amount when lots of L happened while having 5 lines left.  :sad2:

here is corrected version if someone is interested.

I supose this method is good for irratic play . air roulette has quite a few repeats so maybe not so good for that at times

nice idea though I like it,, gives much higher return units than the consistent winner bet. although its early days i suppose

are you a pro roulette player F_LAT_INO ? meaning you make a living from it?

Quote from: ophis on Jan 24, 01:27 PM 2011
Ok there was a quite big error resulting in very funny units amount when lots of L happened while having 5 lines left.  :sad2:

here is corrected version if someone is interested.

I make living from my Australian&Croatian 2 pensions
and in roulette bus.am over 40 years....some lose,some win,just a way of
living.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jan 25, 02:49 PM 2011
I make living from my Australian&Croatian 2 pensions
and in roulette bus.am over 40 years....some lose,some win,just a way of
living.

Hvala bratko :thumbsup:... pozdravi e na bulgarski

Where are you living now?...Australia or Croatia(Republika Hrvatska)?

City of Opatija-Croatia.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jan 25, 03:54 PM 2011
City of Opatija-Croatia.

Ahh...I've heared some wonderful words for Croatia, about your standard of Life...! 8)

If anyone would like to test with Rx, the script is attached.

I own Rx only for 2 weeks so it's my first scrip.
You see any error, kindly let me know...  :wink:

nOrMy2o0o

Mmmm.
when you are losing is ok. but when you winning progression isint going all the way to 5 units.

try to manually spin 4 wins in a row. you will see.

also progression suppose to be 23456, no?


EDIT:
"if Record "Bet won count" data = 2"

there was no such condition in system description

Ho!, thanks Ophis to let me know!

This is because I used last F_LAT_INO post wich say 2,3,4,5 or 2 wins.

"Ophis mate,I have rechecked my so far tested circles of bets
and come to conclusion that we do not go further then 5 step--2,3,4,5
4 spins actually,no further......as all wins come in these 4 spins,and even if you lose 2 and win 2
there is no harm done.Have a look in my excel and you will see that 75% won 20 units.
Have done another 200 spins test and the same thing."

Btw, i agree with him that the theird bet, if you go up to the last progression,
is like betting 18 units on a EC bet!

nOrMy2o0o

Quote from: Normy2000 on Jan 28, 01:16 PM 2011
This is because I used last F_LAT_INO post wich say 2,3,4,5 or 2 wins.

I still don't see where he said that :)

Quote from: Normy2000 on Jan 28, 01:16 PM 2011
as all wins come in these 4 spins,and even if you lose 2 and win 2
there is no harm done.

That does not mean that we wait for max 2 wins  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Normy2000 on Jan 28, 01:16 PM 2011
by the way, I agree with him that the theird bet, if you go up to the last progression,
is like betting 18 units on a EC bet!

Well original system was without progression limit.

Anyway even if long spin graph showing fall I'm still finding this very fast and efective system to make daily 50 units.

I got some mod in my mind that will help agains repeaters but somehow cant find time to apply it.

Take your time Ophis mate,first every day life obligations
and this as it comes.

Hello Ophis

I'm using Ur new LETWIN tracker at the moment- Prism Casino (got given $100 free money).
Can I ask U should it say, Double Streets at the Top of the tracker or maybe Lines?

Reason I ask, as I started out betting on the STREETS, such as street 1 & 2 instead of reading it as Street 1/2 which really is a LINE.

It also says Line at the bottom of the Tracker.

Just thought I'd say, maybe avoid confusion for other such novices like myself!!  :embarrassed:

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By the way- Great Tracker- I like it!!  8)

Try this one.

@@@OPHIS............
Thanx for the upgrade.  :thumbsup:

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Well, now U let the cat out the proverbial basket!! lol

Would U clarify something?  :question:

I just had a bet on Paddy Power Airball/Slingshot, that said put 'X' units on Lines 1,2,3,6

So I did.  ;)

To ME, line (6)six is the sixth line possible, travelling Up the table, from the Zero.
(a street is a 3 number street, a line is a 6 number double street- to me that is!!)

For this example, I call, Felt numbers- 1,2,3,4,5,6 as Line 1

then, 4,5,6,7,8,9 is line 2

and.. 7,8,9,10,11,12 is line 3

and finally.. 16,17,18,19,20,21 is Line 6

Now the result was #23, and after entering, the tracker claimed that as a win!!

Its next door in Line 7!!   :D  ::)

To me.....(Novice don't forget!)... line 7 is 19,20,21,22,23,24  :-[

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Now then, If I allow for a different notation, and include The ZERO and its neighbours,1,2,3
....and I was to call this Line 1= 0,1,2,3
then.................................Line 2=1,2,3,4,5,6
..........................................Line 3=4,5,6,7,8,9
..........................................Line 4=7,8,9,10,11,12
..........................................Line 5=10,11,12,13,14,15
..........................................Line 6=13,14,15,16,17,18
..........................................Line 7=16,17,18,19,20,21
..........................................Line 8=19,20,21,22,23,24
..........................................Line 9=22,23,24,25,26,27
.........................................Line10=25,26,27,28,29,30
.........................................Line11=28,29,30,31,32,33
.........................................Line12=31,32,33,34,35,36

In other words, THIS is the only way to get 12 Streets, and 12 LINES
(Classically, I thought there was always, 12 streets, but only 11 STANDARD lines (excluding ZERO))

Can U clarify please dear OPHIS?

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Also, whilst U amend and change the front end of the tracker with such ease, would U consider this new variant? (and at the same time, iron out my Number Notation wrinkle at the same time?)

Original:-

[attachimg=#1]

Higher Level Alt:- (with numbering the Lines/Streets, and a Move of the big UNDO button)

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Higher Level Alt:- My notation (that might 'note' be right!!)  :-\

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Cheers. Chris
(BTW- Its wins superbly well!!!.................well done on the tracker)  :-*

@Ophis

I missed LINE 12 out on my last Drawing, but I don't know if I am correct yet!!

There is 6 Lines.

line 1 = street1 and street2
line 2 = street3 and street4
.
.
.
line 6 = street 11 and street 12

0 is ignored.

Thanks Ophis.

I needed that clarity.

So, if U don't mind me posting an alternate 'Front End'......it would look like this then?............

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I messaged our good fellow member, GLC, and interestingly, he sent me this message back- U may find it, of curious value/interest!
(I'm sure George will not mind me re-posting this adage-) Thanx George!..........

Quote
Chris,

Here's all I know about Lines vs Streets.

A line IS a 6 number bet ( in some circles it is called a sixain) and a Street IS a 3 number bet or as in the olden days a transversal.

A line is called a line because you place your bet on the LINE between 2 streets.  Clever of them don't you think?

There are the 6 natural lines, that is 2 in each dozen and there are also 5 unnatural lines.  Unnatural lines are 4-9; 10-15; 16-21; 22-27; 28-33.  You can call the 0-3 an unnatural line also but not usually done.

One problem is that sometimes system sellers get the terminology mixed up.  I've even done it myself.  That doesn't imply that I'm a systems seller.

That's about the extent of my knowledge on the subject.

A split is also a Cheval.  Heck before long no one will have the foggiest idea what we're talking about.

Cheers mate

Ophis, maybe U can see how even the tiniest of confusion had embedded itself in my head!

Thanks for all the replies and effort.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 30, 03:02 PM 2011

I'm using your new LETWIN tracker at the moment- Prism Casino (got given $100 free money).

Chris...

That place is a waste of time. They wont let you clear that rollover on roulette, its not one of the games that qualifies for the rollover. I turned that 100 into 650 and passed the 30xwagering requirement and that's what they told me...

My apologies for interrupting this topic

Quote from: Big EZ on Jan 31, 12:20 AM 2011
Chris...

That place is a waste of time. They wont let you clear that rollover on roulette, its not one of the games that qualifies for the rollover. I turned that 100 into 650 and passed the 30xwagering requirement and that's what they told me...

My apologies for interrupting this topic

Cheers buddie.  :thumbsup:
I didn't mind Ur wise words indeed.
I know all about the Prism type casino's in this Roulette world of our's.............Plus the dam things, don't even give U a free Spin!

I was merely testing out the new Tracker by Ophis.
I find REAL TIME GAMING casino's quite a challenge, and I always test out new idea's their, since the No FREE SPIN problem, really makes me think about HOW to start off playing, when U have no numbers in the Marquee to base ANY system on.

Its good practice for this "Playing" novice.

maybe you can find a bot or get a bot to play the perfect blackjack strategy to keep the winnings flat and just wager the bonus :o

Quote from: yrt00 on Jan 31, 04:50 PM 2011
maybe you can find a bot or get a bot to play the perfect blackjack strategy to keep the winnings flat and just wager the bonus :o

Tell me more in a PM please.

Or email me- its here.

[reveal=Me]chrisbis36@yahoo.com[/reveal]

"I turned that 100 into 650 [at Realtime Gaming's Prism Casino]"--Big EZ

That's quite an accomplishment, with one of the hardest RNG Roulette games to consistently win on.  Possible RNG holy grail?

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 01, 09:20 PM 2011
"I turned that 100 into 650 [at Realtime Gaming's Prism Casino]"--Big EZ

That's quite an accomplishment, with one of the hardest RNG Roulette games to consistently win on.  Possible RNG holy grail?

Yes! I made good progress, and L E T Win results playing there!!

It is a hard RNG I find too.......... Well done Proof.  :thumbsup:

(P.S.- how do U start off each new session, since there's nothing on the Marquee to track from?)

(I always start with my EC 3 way Variant (link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/ec-three-way-variant/))
(It gets me away from the starting blocs!!...........Chip values:- 1(zero), 2,2,2- on each EC)

Quote from: chrisbis on Feb 02, 02:38 AM 2011
... Well done Proof.  :thumbsup:

(P.S.- how do you start off each new session, since there's nothing on the Marquee to track from?)

Thanks Chrisbis.  I usually bet red/black one unit each (or up to the minimum bet) until I get enough numbers on the marquee.

Also LETWin seems to do well at other RNG brands: Microgaming, VegasTech, BetOnSoft & Rival--but *tanked* at BetVoyager, ACCasino/Pamper and TopGame.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Feb 02, 03:57 AM 2011
Also LETWin seems to do well at other RNG brands: Microgaming, VegasTech, BetOnSoft--but *tanked* at BetVoyager, ACCasino/Pamper and TopGame.

So for those it tanked at, maybe play Anti-L E T:- ie. bet the Line(s) not suggested, and three from the list suggested, the tables will be in Anti-phase compared to the other RNG's, so maybe worth a try.

i dont why people try it on rng when we know they cheat on rng i always prefer live,rng they let you win then track you down i just hate rng,by the way im getting good results using live wheels,dublinbet table 2

Picture says it all .  .  .  185 live spins!

 185 spin
+114 spin

=299 spin



120 unit
+ 79 unit

=199 unit



Good night session.  .  .  apx.   5 hour of play! Tnx @F LAT INO and @Ophis of course.

Still can't get my head round the "math" for the progression. Can anybody pitch in please?

@reincarnation



-number     -progres.   

3                 2 unit on 5 double street that is left.   
36 (win)      3 unit on double street that is left.   
3 (lose)       4 unit on double street that is left.   
8 (win)        5 unit on double street that is left.   
13 (win).   .   .   

We have 2 double street that is not hit in this session so we whait for next number (double street).    If you do not understand I'll repeat tomorrow.   

Hope it help! Download tracker from @Ophis and it would be easier.   

Josip

Josip.... right click on graph you have SAVE option.

One more last night session of 93 spins.

I had a horrible fall from 27 to 53 spin but I have never go under my starting balance.



+112 unit

Quote from: Josip on Feb 03, 07:38 PM 2011
@reincarnation



-number     -progres.   

3                 2 unit on 5 double street that is left.   
36 (win)      3 unit on double street that is left.   
3 (lose)       4 unit on double street that is left.   
8 (win)        5 unit on double street that is left.   
13 (win).   .   .   

We have 2 double street that is not hit in this session so we whait for next number (double street).    If you do not understand I'll repeat tomorrow.   

Hope it help! Download tracker from @Ophis and it would be easier.   

Josip

What if?

3                 2 units on 5 double street that is left.
3 (lose)       3 units on 5 double street that is left. 
0 (lose)       4 units on 5 double street that is left
36 (win)      5 units on 4 double street that is left.
6 (lose)       6 units on 4 double street that is left.
10(win)...   

Arent we in loss still?
 

Quote from: reincarnation on Feb 04, 04:24 AM 2011
What if?

3                 2 units on 5 double street that is left.
3 (lose)       3 units on 5 double street that is left.  
0 (lose)       4 units on 5 double street that is left
36 (win)      5 units on 4 double street that is left.
6 (lose)       6 units on 4 double street that is left.
10(win)...  

Arent we in loss still?
 

Looks like U would be yes,

Ur progression relationship, is not covering the expected win&incurred losses at the point of betting.

[table=,]
description, Spin, Result,R.O.I.,+/-,B.R.
Tracking,#3,no-bet,,,  0
2 @ 5 double streets= 10 units total,#3,loss,0,-10,-10
3 @ 5 double streets= 15 units total,#0,loss,0,-15,-25
4 @ 5 double streets= 20 units total,#36,win,24,+4,-21
5 @ 4 double streets= 20 units total,#6,loss,0,-20,-41
6 @ 4 double streets= 24 units total,#10,win,36,+12,-29
[/table]

(can someone check my figures here, I have to go out quickly to rescue someone who has broken down!!)  :question:

It's all right with this session and yes we are in loss.   But we hope (keep hope alive) that he have from 93 spin this scenario. 

From 93 spin.  .  . 
Gives 74 bets.  .  . 
We have around 54 wins.  .  . 
.  .  .  and around 20 loses. 

It is enough for us to be in profit (+120 unit).   If you don't now when to stop that will kill your bankroll. 

I still dont get it....If your BR keeps depleting constantly as seen from the above example, how can we be in profit? Unless we 'hope' that we win some continuous spins...Is that what we are banking on?

Quote from: Josip on Feb 03, 06:38 PM 2011
Picture says it all .  .  .  185 live spins!

Jozo,jesi li ti moj.

In latest relase the progression was 124 not 23456


In latest relase progression can be adjusted as anyone wish...

1,2,4 means - bet for 3 spins with progression 1,2,4 OR UNTIL 2 lines left

1,2,3,4,5,6,7 means - it will bet for 7 spins with this progression OR UNTIL 2 lines left

1,1,1,1 - it will flat bet for 4 spins OR UNTIL 2 lines left

1 - it will bet only 1 spin then retrack.

but please use SE version from
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/l-e-t-w-in/msg34362/#msg34362 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/l-e-t-w-in/msg34362/#msg34362)

in this version tracker is waiting for 2 lines to appear then bet.

Look at my last photo and you will see that we go up for 30 spins and down for 30 spins and again up to +112 unit.

All in all, the point is that we are never in minus considering are BR.  After half hour I was in +100 unit after hour +15 unit and after one and half hour again high on +112.

It will happen sooner or later that we will immediately begin to fall and that we need a stable (high) BR to keep us out of the minus and bring us in some profit.

Quote from: Josip on Feb 04, 08:19 AM 2011
Look at my last photo and you will see that we go up for 30 spins and down for 30 spins and again up to +112 unit.

All in all, the point is that we are never in minus considering are BR.  After half hour I was in +100 unit after hour +15 unit and after one and half hour again high on +112.

It will happen sooner or later that we will immediately begin to fall and that we need a stable (high) BR to keep us out of the minus and bring us in some profit.

And may I know which progression you used?

Quote from: F_LAT_INO link=topic=3676. msg34817#msg34817 date=1296821025
Jozo,jesi li ti moj.

Jesam, sad nas ima viÃ...¡e.  .  .  pozdrav!

Quote from: reincarnation link=topic=3676. msg34826#msg34826 date=1296825772

And may I know which progression you used?

This one 23456.  .  .  but we must test all other progres.   from Ophis tracker list to find the best one.   I will test other and post results. 

In order to win EVERY time, per part session(sub-session), then one has to recover, and that means RISK!!

Here's the same sequence, with the same numbers plus one I've added to show a way to play through the Lines/Double Streets.

There would be another way, and that's Grand Marty adaptation technique, but even then, dependant on where U are in the sequence, it may not be enough to FULLY recover Ur losses.

Its actually the Marty type progression, that harms U along the way.

[table=;]
Description;Spin Number/Line;Lines Bet On;Result;R.O.I.;+/-;BR
Tracking Lines(Double Streets);#3, Line 1 ; None ;N/A ;; 0; 0
Line 1 eliminated.
1 Units @ 5 Lines= 5 units Total;#3, Line 1;2,3,4,5,6 ; Loss; 0;-5;-5
2 Units @ 5 Lines= 10 units Total;#0, Zero;2,3,4,5,6 ; Loss; 0;-10;-15
4 Units @ 5 Lines= 20 units Total;#36,Line 6;2,3,4,5,6 ; Win;24;+4;-11
Line 6 Eliminated
8 Units @ 4 Lines= 32 units Total;#6, Line 1;2,3,4,5,6 ; Loss; 0;-32;-43
16 Units @ 4 Lines=64 units Total;#10,Line 2;2,3,4,5,6 ; Win;96;+32;-11
Line 2 Eliminated
16 Units @ 3 Lines=48 units Total;#24,Line 4;2,3,4,5,6 ; Win;96;+48;+37

(Note, fully recover from losses,
it was necessary to repeat 5Th bet value)
[/table]

Here in this case, by starting off betting on 5 Lines(Double Streets) and losing, the losses mount up early, and therefore the elimination of Lines, does not avoid the RISK of losing out to ZERO, (always a possibility).
The recovery now is ONLY possible with an additional bet, even after U have seemingly Won!!

Other examples are possible.

I think, that's Y, the tracker Finishes its progression, at 4 Units tall.

The risk on the full recovery is down to each and every player, as to whether they think the "Eliminated" LINES,  will stay..........................eliminated!!

Quote from: Josip on Feb 04, 08:28 AM 2011
This one 23456.  .  .  but we must test all other progres.   from Ophis tracker list to find the best one.   I will test other and post results.  

23456 is the old tracker. can't rly remember if it had any major errors.

but main difference is that

version 0.1.1 is waiting for 1 line to appear then bet from second step of progression
1,2,3,4,5

version SE is waiting for 2 lines to appear then bet form first step of progression
1,2,4

Quote from: chrisbis on Feb 04, 08:53 AM 2011
In order to win EVERY time, per part session(sub-session), then one has to recover, and that means RISK!!

Here's the same sequence, with the same numbers plus one I've added to show a way to play through the Lines/Double Streets.

There would be another way, and that's Grand Marty adaptation technique, but even then, dependant on where you are in the sequence, it may not be enough to FULLY recover your losses.

Its actually the Marty type progression, that harms you along the way.

[table=;]
Description;Spin Number/Line;Lines Bet On;Result;R.O.I.;+/-;BR
Tracking Lines(Double Streets);#3, Line 1 ; None ;N/A ;; 0; 0
Line 1 eliminated.
1 Units @ 5 Lines= 5 units Total;#3, Line 1;2,3,4,5,6 ; Loss; 0;-5;-5
2 Units @ 5 Lines= 10 units Total;#0, Zero;2,3,4,5,6 ; Loss; 0;-10;-15
4 Units @ 5 Lines= 20 units Total;#36,Line 6;2,3,4,5,6 ; Win;24;+4;-11
Line 6 Eliminated
8 Units @ 4 Lines= 32 units Total;#6, Line 1;2,3,4,5,6 ; Loss; 0;-32;-43
16 Units @ 4 Lines=64 units Total;#10,Line 2;2,3,4,5,6 ; Win;96;+32;-11
Line 2 Eliminated
16 Units @ 3 Lines=48 units Total;#24,Line 4;2,3,4,5,6 ; Win;96;+48;+37

(Note, fully recover from losses,
it was necessary to repeat 5Th bet value)
[/table]

Here in this case, by starting off betting on 5 Lines(Double Streets) and losing, the losses mount up early, and therefore the elimination of Lines, does not avoid the RISK of losing out to ZERO, (always a possibility).
The recovery now is ONLY possible with an additional bet, even after you have seemingly Won!!

Other examples are possible.

I think, that's Y, the tracker Finishes its progression, at 4 Units tall.

The risk on the full recovery is down to each and every player, as to whether they think the "Eliminated" LINES,  will stay..........................eliminated!!

Yes..I had come across this particular method long back at link:://roulettesecrets.com/5-line-eliminator.php (link:://roulettesecrets.com/5-line-eliminator.php) and even tested it...unsuccessfully though!

For those who may not know- a screen shot of a LINE/6 number bet.

It covers 6 numbers, using only one chip.

[attach=#1]
this is LINE 1

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[attach=#2]
This is LINE 2

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[attach=#3]
This is LINE 3

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[attach=#4]
This is LINE 4

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[attach=#5]
This is LINE 5

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[attach=#6]
This is LINE 6

Quote from: chrisbis on Feb 13, 05:25 PM 2011
For those who may not know- a screen shot of a LINE/6 number bet.

It covers 6 numbers, using only one chip.

[attach=#]

this is LINE 1

Alright I got it!  :thumbsup:

edit:
now i'm sure ;D

TRACKER DOWNLOAD:

As it seems tracker have been buried in this threat i have added it to download section:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/downloads/?sa=view;id=79 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/downloads/?sa=view;id=79)

no reason to forget this brilliant system.

Is anyone still playing this. How is the results ?

Cheers

Jon

This system in now coded in to Multi System Tracker.

for further details please visit:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/mst-project/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/mst-project/)