@ turbo

[Steve]

What you said is just probability starting with 1 in 37 but over multiple spins. You still can't change the odds with it.

What you said is like saying after 10 spins, some are red, some black. Its predictable right? Does it help?

[cht]

One of the smartest posters in this thread.
Someone who's been listening and actually gets it - gets how and why it works.
Cheers. Keep at it.

I worked on it today - my off day.

I finally got my head around numbers that potentially may be hot numbers in future spins. Previously I was playing cold numbers to become hot. Now I play flatbet whatever number to become hot during my play session. Thanks to your guidance I got it.

Here's 10 rated games I played at RS. Either I'm one luckyfella or RS rng is rigged or I wasted my time to produce a fake of 10consecutive games then post on forums or I got TG's repeaters or I am a time-traveller robot. 

Can I repeat that ?

Of course.

Can this be played at a real dealer wheel ?

Of course.

Can this be played at RNG ?

Of course.

So long as random hits the pocket in the usual random manner.

Ps. steve, not providing any proof on MPR. I'm done.

[Scarface]

What you said is just probability starting with 1 in 37 but over multiple spins. You still can't change the odds with it.

What you said is like saying after 10 spins, some are red, some black. Its predictable right? Does it help?

I think maybe it can.  Doesn't change the odds,  but can help to reduce variance to make a more stable game.  Odds are, that in 100 spins, 1 or 2 numbers will not hit at all....so do you bet unhit numbers?  If there are 10 numbers unhit after 30 spins, chances are that at least 1 of those numbers will remain unhit on spin 100.

My preference is to follow the hotties...usually only 3 to 5 numbers (front runners).  And yes, will have to occasionally change.

[Steve]

31 spins?

You still aren't understanding.

Go make your millions too 

[cht]

31 spins?

You still aren't understanding.

Go make your millions too

Ofc

I will say this.

TG's hotties is one incredible math model that no simpleton can get it. Not to put anyone down, that's the truth.

To crack it you have to be sound in math, pretty creative in math modelling and very experience with random distribution of the wheel and ball.

I must admit it rivaled my baccarat system. Just that I need a cellphone computer to crunch the numbers - that's the difference.

Thanks TG, seriously, thanks a lot !

You deserve this. 

[Scarface]

31 spins?

You still aren't understanding.

Go make your millions too 

I understand what you're saying, just don't agree.  Just because spins are independent and random, doesn't mean they're aren't predicatable.  There will most likely be 12 numbers not show in the first 36 spins.  And a number may reapeat 9 or more times before all numbers show.

Take 100 sample spins.  How many repeats do you get before a number repeats a third time?  A fourth? A fifth? How many spins before all 37 numbers show?  Do this over and over and you will see how predictable random is. 

There is always bias in the short term on random spins.  There is ALWAYS an unequal distribution of numbers.  It's very predictable, and you don't need a computer to spot it

[TurboGenius]

Do this over and over and you will see how predictable random is. 

I wasn't going to post this weekend but dammit - I'm giving Scarface's posts the coveted and rarely used (by me) Jean-Luc Picard clap !
Nicely said.

[Steve]

Cht & scarface, you're still just not getting it. You think I'm the clueless one. Perhaps test your approach properly. For now you have just an incorrect theory.

Eventually you'll understand better. Go get them casinos.

Turbo, misleading inexperienced and uneducated players is not something to be proud of.

[cht]

Cht & scarface, you're still just not getting it. You think I'm the clueless one. Perhaps test your approach properly. For now you have just an incorrect theory.

Eventually you'll understand better. Go get them casinos.

Turbo, misleading inexperienced and uneducated players is not something to be proud of.

Can you approve my moderated posts to appear on the forum.

[falkor2k15]

My preference is to follow the hotties...usually only 3 to 5 numbers (front runners).  And yes, will have to occasionally change.

If you can win on X repeats of numbers then you should be able to win on 2 repeats of a dozen excluding zero, right?

But there's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:

11 1
11 21
11 231

Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:

11 23

Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.

I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even! It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx...

If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.

[The General]

I understand what you're saying, just don't agree.  Just because spins are independent and random, doesn't mean they're aren't predicatable.  There will most likely be 12 numbers not show in the first 36 spins.  And a number may reapeat 9 or more times before all numbers show.

Take 100 sample spins.  How many repeats do you get before a number repeats a third time?  A fourth? A fifth? How many spins before all 37 numbers show?  Do this over and over and you will see how predictable random is. 

There is always bias in the short term on random spins.  There is ALWAYS an unequal distribution of numbers.  It's very predictable, and you don't need a computer to spot it

Of course there's an unequal distribution of numbers in the short term.  It's called variance.  Unfortunately it can't be exploited.  The reason is that you can't predict luck/variance.  For example you have no way of knowing if a number is suddenly going to become cold or if it's going to remain hot.

[falkor2k15]

One interesting thought about the front runners:

11... 1 dozen bet
121... 1 dozen bet
131... 1 dozen bet
1231... 1 dozen bet
1321... 1 dozen bet

11 2... 1 dozen bet
11 3... 1 dozen bet
121 3... 1 dozen bet

All other scenarios are a 2 dozen bet.

You could play with a progression. However, I'm sure there will still be enough games where another dozen creeps up for the tie to take equal first place with the front runner, and this will keep happening over and over again - eventually reaching house limits.

[falkor2k15]

Here it got quite dangerous already:



Almost at table limits:

[falkor2k15]

This is what happens when you bet front-runners!!!!!!


Take heed: there is nothing hot about front-runners - they will leave your bankroll cold when you reach the table limits trying to win on a hottie - the leaders of the pack!  Point made?

[falkor2k15]

Guys, I'm searching for a casino that has table limits of $10,000? Please can you help me find one? I only bet hot numbers since only they can reach 2 or more repeats... cold numbers cannot reach 2 repeats if they have never had 1 repeat, so why bet cold numbers!?