Hello,
Divide the layout into groups of 9........
1 = 1-9
2 = 9-18
3 = 19-27
4 = 28-36
Tracking involves waiting for three spins, whereby only 2 groups of the 9 appear, such as:
1 2 2
or:
4 3 4
or:
3 1 1 etc etc
Then, simply, bet for three spins on the other 2 groups!!! Simples...
Example:
2
3
2 <trigger to now bet groups 1,4
2 L
4 W
That's one mini game, now restart tracking:
1
3
3 <trigger
1 L
2 W
................
4
2
4
2 L
1 W
................
3
3
1
4 W
................
2
2
1
1 L
2 L
3 W
Progression up to you...1,2,4 perhaps then double up on restart? 2 consecutive losses maybe rare.
BW
Just to clarify:
If you get groups like this
1
3
4
That's a no bet, and you must wait for only 2 groups to appear within the nearest 3 spins
1
3
4 NB
2 NB
2 BET GROUPS 3 AND 1
1 WIN
If a zero gets in the way of tracking, as in;
1
3
0
Then I retrack from after the zero...just for my own voodoo satisfaction
BW
So if 2 of the 9 number sectors sleep for 3 spins, bet the other 2 sectors for up to 3 times if no win.
That means they will have to sleep for 6 spins to lose.
I know that this is reverse engineering, but just from your example, it looks like if they slept for 4 spins, you'd still get plenty of bets and could still bet for 3 spins or you could only bet for 2 tries and save some money whenever a sector sleeps 6 times.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 06, 05:48 PM 2012
So if 2 of the 9 number sectors sleep for 3 spins, bet the other 2 sectors for up to 3 times if no win.
That means they will have to sleep for 6 spins to lose.
I know that this is reverse engineering, but just from your example, it looks like if they slept for 4 spins, you'd still get plenty of bets and could still bet for 3 spins or you could only bet for 2 tries and save some money whenever a sector sleeps 6 times.
Yes GLC,
It is essentially an EC bet, betting in the second half of a potential 6 loss.
It could be mixed around a number of ways, including the ones you suggest. There are pro's and con's to each, I have only looked into waiting for 3, as it seemed to be a happy medium.
Obviously I will run some tests.
Cheers mate
Using my trusty thomas grant actuals:
Original way:
Number/Sector/Win-Loss
22 3
20 3
16 2
36 4 W
13 2
6 1
34 4
11 1
1 1 L
21 3 W
2 1
26 3
23 3
34 4 W
17 2
12 2
13 2
19 3
18 2 L
1 1 W
34 4
16 2
5 1
30 4
8 1
17 2 W
14 2
12 2
19 3
35 4 W
6 1
3 1
11 2
12 2 L
23 3 W
26 3
5 1
23 3
10 2 W
15 2
7 1
25 3
15 2
6 1
26 3
7 1
15 2 W
28 4
3 1
14 2
19 3
21 3
26 3 L
36 4 W
19 3
36 4
18 2
24 3
10 2
17 2 L
22 3 L
30 4 W
12 2
35 4
21 3
32 4
5 1 W
8 2
19 3
12 2
25 3 L
23 3 L
31 4 W
22 3
21 3
10 2
29 4 W
28 4
14 2
24 3
21 3
5 1 W
20 3
17 2
35 4
28 4
9 1 W
7 1
34 4
33 4
10 2 W
25 3
29 4
9 1
34 4
30 4 L
4 1 L
16 2 W
33 4
28 4
20 3
21 3 L
17 2 W
Numbers continued.... 1 three loss so far....not bad really for EC bet
16 2
33 4
24 3
32 4
22 3 L
2 1 W
19 3
6 1
9 1
18 2 W
12 2
22 3
12 2
5 1 W
33 4
32 4
16 2
23 3 W
2 1
28 4
25 3
36 4
33 4 L
5 1 W
27 3
30 4
2 1
31 4
29 4 L
24 3 W
21 3
20 3
14 2
25 3 L
33 4 W
19 3
24 3
12 2
24 3 L
15 2 L
26 3 L 3LOSS - RETRACK
30 4
8 1
12 2
9 1
3 1 L
35 4 W
2 1
35 4
18 2
10 2
29 4 L
17 2 L
22 3 W
6 1
16 2
14 2
3 1 L
36 4 W
12 2
27 3
3 1
35 4
24 3
2 1
21 3
9 1 L
34 4 W
6 1
23 3
15 2
14 2
4 1 W
2 1
2 1
10 2
34 4 W
20 3
3 1
13 2
24 3
25 3
9 1 W
22 3
32 4
11 2
28 4
2 1 W
10 2
9 1
27 3
6 1
34 4 W
14 2
27 3
8 1
20 3
8 1 L
36 4 W
24 3
5 1
4 1
32 4 W
15 2
29 4
24 3
16 2
33 4
26 3
22 3
16 2 W
23 3
6 1
10 2
35 4
10 2
11 2 L
9 1 W
3 1
16 2
20 3
26 3
29 4 W
And why this system can be any better than applying the same concept on the dozens?
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 06, 07:02 PM 2012
And why this system can be any better than applying the same concept on the dozens?
Because 4 is different to 3 - therefore the behaviour is different
Applied to dozens, it would become a 12 number bet - this is 18 and has good hit rate
Give it a go and see what you think
"""therefore the behaviour is different"""
Same behaviour. Win less lose more.
The -2.7 is still there.
Anyway I am letting you continue with ur testing mate.
BW
You're tempting me with those results. Don,t you know I'm too busy right now. Or should I drop everything else and help you test this.
Okay, It does look like it wins often enough on the 4th spin to start betting there.
I'm attaching a document with a test run on it rather than type it here.
George, it appears BW is resetting after a win. You're spreadsheet is played continuously. Good result either way, but it's good to know which rules we're using for testing. Thanks.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 06, 07:09 PM 2012
"""therefore the behaviour is different"""
Same behaviour. Win less lose more.
The -2.7 is still there.
Anyway I am letting you continue with your testing mate.
Hola MOP
Aren't u by any chance Roulette Explorer? U remind me of his inquisitive style.
He disappeared from d forum some time ago but everybody always comes bk here. They just use different aliases ;D Recently we had Vile aka FLAT, FL aka John Gold n u would complete 3 play.
Regards
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jul 06, 11:11 PM 2012
George, it appears BW is resetting after a win. You're spreadsheet is played continuously. Good result either way, but it's good to know which rules we're using for testing. Thanks.
Wally, One of the nice things about a system as easy as this one is that when you have the whole session posted for all to see, you can check out your favorite bet method because it's just a matter of a series of wins and losses which you can apply you own progression to.
I didn't restart my progression after each attack because BW said that you could use any progression you liked. Next I'm going to play a session using Trioplay method.
Cheers,
GLC
The following are the beginning spins from the 15,000 Zumma roulette spins. Please note that these are the same spins as I used in the attachment a few posts above.
I will play them according to Trioplay.
13 2
9 1
22 3
32 4
2 1
6 1
13 2
6 1 L -1 2 -1
21 3 W +1 0
18 2
15 2
24 3 L -1 2 -1
18 2 L -1 3 -2
21 3 L -1 4 -3
32 4 W +1 -2
9 1
34 4
3 1 L -2 5 -4
32 4 L -2 6 -6
5 1 L -2 7 -8
26 3 W +2 -6
19 3
31 4 W +4 -2
2 1
6 1
3 1 L -6 8 -8
9 1 L -6 9 -14
1 1 L -6 10 -20
29 4 L -6 11 -26
5 1 L -6 12 -32
18 2 W +6 -26
19 3
26 3
30 4 W +9 -17
00
31 4
17 2 W +12 -5 Bet = Count Partial reset to 6
26 3 W +6 +1
20 3
17 2 L -1 2 -1
30 4 W +1 0
22 3
14 2
29 4
25 3
12 2
3 1
22 3
14 2
30 4
26 3
5 1
32 4
26 3
21 3
12 2 W +1 +1
36 4 W +1 +1
11 2
1 1 W +1 +1
00
28 4
36 4
24 3 W +1 +1
3
32 4 L -1 2 -1
27 3 L -1 3 -2
11 2 W +1 -1
5 1
25 3
22 3
4 1 L -2 4 -3
11 2 W +2 -1
34 4
total of +5 units
Thanks for the testing George!
I'm going to continue posting results and see if others think its worth continuing with this idea. Would be nice to hear others findings and their respective tweaks
BW
Some more testing from Vittoriosa actuals this time:
I like GLC's first progression he posted for his test...It would be nice to know
how this sample would have ended up.
+10 using Fibonacci
8 1
33 4
29 4
31 4 L
20 3 W
11 2
34 4
10 2
24 3 W
25 3
28 4
4 1
31 4
32 4 L
14 2 W
20 3
4 1
33 4
10 2
34 4
14 2 L
26 3 W
32 4
33 4
1 1
33 4 L
32 4 L
36 4 L RETRACK
8 1
3 1
23 3
30 4 W
14 2
36 4
32 4
18 2 L
34 4 L
12 2 L RETRACK
15 2
3 1
22 3
6 1
19 3 L
12 2 W
14 2
27 3
7 1
36 4
27 3
2 1
18 2
13 2
9 1 L
18 2 L
21 3 W
7 1
34 4
33 4
12 2 W
1 1
22 3
17 2
32 4
32 4
0 L
19 3 W
14 2
25 3
8 1
21 3
16 2 W
25 3
15 2
16 2
30 4 W
30 4
25 3
31 4
15 2 W
31 4
14 2
34 4
23 3 W
22 3
13 2
23 3
3 1 W
28 4
16 2
33 4
8 1 W
15 2
22 3
23 3
15 2 L
3 1 W
14 2
13 2
17 2
13 2
9 1
18 2 L
2 1 L
32 4 W
15 2
20 3
29 4
8 1
35 4
6 1 L
19 3 W
10 2
0 RETRACK
23 3
23 3
7 1
28 4 W
0
13 2
3 1
14 2
15 2 L
10 2 L
25 3 W
23 3
8 1
28 4
5 1
28 4 L
33 4 L
1 1 L RETRACK
3 1
0 RETRACK
6 1
24 3
31 4
13 2
20 3
17 2
5 1
32 4
9 1
3 1 L
33 4 L
23 3 W
31 4
2 1
3 1
16 2 W
3 1
18 2
19 3
0 RETRACK
36 4
29 4
36 4
14 2
16 2 L
13 2 L
24 3 W
24 3
29 4
15 2
25 3
14 2
16 2 L
11 2 L
34 4 W
25 3
35 4
33 4
36 4 L
12 2 W
3 1
17 2
6 1
9 1 L
5 1 L
3 1 L RETRACK
8 1
15 2
10 2
32 4 W
1 1
27 3
6 1
18 2 W
And continuing on.... max 4 loss in a row here
+9 using Fibonacci
10
8
8
28 W
31
29
8
11 W
4
32
29
27 W
34
22
0
19
17
9
25
30
2
6
36 L
14 W
26
35
20
21 L
35 L
4 W
10
35
22
18
14
16 L
21 L
26 L
25
29
30
22 L
7 W
32
14
8
35
30
16 W
32
18
25
11
23 L
30 W
13
5
20
13
7
31
28
19 W
3
26
15
19
2 W
3
0
14
26
2
26
35 W
14
29
29
3 W
19
13
33
21
19
15 W
33
13
35
1 W
34
7
30
6 L
3 L
26 W
Hi BW,
keep on the good work !
maybe better if bet only on 9 numbers .
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Jul 07, 07:27 AM 2012
Hi BW,
keep on the good work !
maybe better if bet only on 9 numbers .
cheers
Thanks Kat,
I have tried betting on one sector only, and finding repeating sectors in old forum...with pretty decent results...you once suggested a progression I believe.
Still testing out this 2 sector bet first
BW
and on what do you bet exactly ?
lines or separate numbers ?
i bet on all the separate numbers, always +18 on a win :-)
or you can take 3u /line to get the same bet.
Further testing going on.
+7 Fibo
[reveal]
30
11
18
34 L
7 W
0
29
7
24
17
32
18
20 W
20
32
26
27 L
3 W
29
12
31
3 W
15
14
31
1 W
13
31
4
28
13 W
35
6
18
0 RETRACK
3
21
16
9
31
16
2
27
18
14
21 L
32 W
21
31
35
34 L
10 W
15
16
29
8 W
12
16
0 RETRACK
26
7
11
32
2
28
21 W
3
16
29
6
32
9 L
17 W
25
23
20
4
4 L
21 L
15 W
25
35
8
18
19
24
20 L
18 L
14 L
16
6
26
21
19 L
27 L
28 W
27
26
20
15
27 L
0 L
32 W
26
35
31
5 W
5
27
6
12 W
[/reveal]
And some more besides:
Finishing on +13.
Still holding up. I know it's a pathetic amount of spins so far, and all systems seem to do well at first (should that be a theorum, because it's always the case!)
Quite a few three losses at least but comes back nicely. haven't had to bet beyond 13 units yet...yet!
[reveal]
30
30
30
2
30 L
34 L
33 L
34
20
29
14 W
8
31
19
29
28 L
9 W
15
24
24
17 L
22 L
9 W
22
33
10
22
27
16 L
14 L
13 L
34
24
1
11
29
13
3 W
32
9
5
15 W
12
20
1
6
5 L
6 L
11 W
15
31
22
4
4
36 W
34
32
1
16 W
7
28
19
22
18 W
20
25
12
22 L
11 L
15 L
10
7
26
11
28 W
24
1
11
33
8
25
21
11 W
4
32
1
10 W
19
13
5
30
18
36
1 W
14
12
32
25 W
4
23
1
9 L
10 W
7
18
28
28
7 W
24
16
13
13 L
3 W
30
23
21
17 W
6
4
24
16 W
27
0
3
12
36
23
13
34
33
31 L
30 L
17 L
6
24
34
22
12 W
25
8
18
6
18 L
3 L
26 W
15
15
18
28
36 L
33 L
7 W
1
26
33
28
30 L
26 L
6 W
15
35
10
35 L
23 W
26
21
15
2 W
16
33
28
20 W
32
36
10
35 L
16 L
11 L
23
29
33
15 W
34
1
21
9
15 W
[/reveal]
I just realized that Walley was pointing out that I didn't stop betting after 3 losses and then pick up again on the next signal. Also I need to point out that my numbers need to be multiplied by 6 since each bet is really 6 streets.
Sorry for any confusion.
GLC
500 B & M spins, real wheel, real casino
Double 0 wheel
Played with the trend and against the trend (BW plays against the trend)
Don't know why it works, but results are results ....
Hey Mr Gator,
Thanks for testing this out. You were using a +1/-1 progression right? Seemed to work ok. Good job!
Will do some more myself later on
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 07, 02:32 PM 2012
You were using a +1/-1 progression right?
Yes.
I'll do a bit more testing to see where this goes ....
A tough session this one..,.Wally, could you please tell me what this would have ended up doing +1/-1?
Thanks
BW
[reveal]
2
16
31
34
1 W
2
31
15
24
25
14 L
21 L
23 L
30
2
4
1 L
0 L
7 L
36
33
32
13
35 L
24 W
30
18
26
23
33 W
30
14
18
2 W
28
11
8
20
8
29 W
22
12
15
28 W
24
0
17
17
1
10 L
13 L
34 W
22
3
23
21 L
13 W
23
32
14
10
27 W
0
23
20
7
8 L
13 W
1
6
3
30
27 W
22
5
28
18
29
3 W
32
28
14
34 L
28 L
33 L
2
10
16
8 L
34 W
19
3
30
34
28 L
4 L
22 W
30
11
3
2
35 W
7
35
22
24
16 W
36
15
7
6
26 W
17
23
13
25 L
20 L
32 W
3
29
3
27 W
31
6
7
35 L
18 W
35
33
33
4
23 W
27
28
35
13 W
0
0
26
5
25
34 W
[/reveal]
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 07, 03:06 PM 2012
A tough session this one..,.Wally, could you please tell me what this would have ended up doing +1/-1?
Here you go. When playing against the trend, I played to 4 losses and reset (not the progression, just the sequence).
Playing both simultaneously could possibly be a good option.
Good stuff Wally,
So playing to 4 losses recovered nicely on playing against the trend.
Interesting now to see how many 4 losses there are
Playing simultaneous would make my brain fry but good luck to those willing~!
Cheers
BW
Another session:
[reveal]
5
0
29
10
14
12 L
17 L
22 W
9
26
31
33
0 L
1 W
6
11
3
16 L
11 L
11 L
1 L
14
26
27
29 W
10
34
36
8 W
25
30
11
13
1 W
32
12
21
8
16
20
21
32 W
5
22
28
8
3
16 W
5
6
15
3 L
18 L
27 W
10
13
30
20 W
11
4
16
24 W
3
3
14
15 L
21 W
9
29
21
27
1 W
23
36
17
34
23 W
25
36
4
2
14 W
2
15
20
35
1
32
9 L
20 W
12
3
18
32 W
1
11
11
23 W
[/reveal]
I know it may sound simplistic, but I have looked into a very safe, mild and easy progression for this. Even that really tricky session before last ends +2
Simply bet 1,2,2 and then stop and restart in the case of 3 losses.....
No steep progs...and easy to keep tabs on too....
Quick look at three other sessions from previous posts
-4
+6
+5
BW
stay at 122 even after a 3x loss?
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 07, 05:00 PM 2012
stay at 122 even after a 3x loss?
Yes that's what I did....can be a grind, not to everyone's taste I know.
The issue is stopping the consecutive 3 losses and this just about does that so I'm happy.
BW
Here's 800 spins, real casino, real wheel (double 0)
Patience and persistence .... this, along with many others, will not be for everyone.
A fair old roller coaster on the 'against the trend' there wally. Every bet is multiplied by 6 because of the streets involved so that's some serious stakes! Interesting to see it recover though
BW