I hear often that progressions in general are bad and don’t work unless you have a positive expectation, Does anybody of you know what does that exactly mean ? In other words when can a progression work ? Is the belief that a system will not lose more than x times in a row a valid belief ?
What you win or lose long term is decided by the house edge multiplied by the money you put into action against that edge.
Progressions are just bigger sized bets. You are exposing more cash to the edge when you make the bet.
For example zero comes up when you have a large Martingale bet out. That's costly.
Table limits ensure that the house can recoup profits with short adverse runs. For example doubling 6 times wins 63/64 but 1/64 times you get an adverse run where you lose what you won. The wins and losses cancel out. The house really makes its profit when zero comes up.
If instead of losing half your stake with a zero, your stake was increased by half, you would have a winning system. But then flat bets would win as well. You'd just win more with a Martingale, because sometimes you have big bets out.
Quote from: Firefox on Apr 30, 04:08 AM 2019
What you win or lose long term is decided by the house edge multiplied by the money you put into action against that edge.
Progressions are just bigger sized bets. You are exposing more cash to the edge when you make the bet.
For example zero comes up when you have a large Martingale bet out. That's costly.
If instead of losing half your stake with a zero, your stake was increased by half, you would have a winning system. But then flat bets would win as well. You'd just win more with a Martingale, because sometimes you have big bets out.
I have a VB system and I am using it online !
It shows good result, most of the time i have a very accurate prediction (< 3 pockets gap), however sometimes especially when dealer spins the ball too fast, my expectation fails !
I recently decided to use a progression.
And I cover no more than 13 or 14 numbers !
Do you think that’s bad ?
Your talking about something a bit different there. But betting 13 numbers with an average error of 3 pockets, you should be onto a big winner. You should be winning about 20 units a spin.
Even if half of the time the dealer reduces you edge to random ie Back to house edge or worse, you should still be a big winner with or without a progression.
Quote from: Firefox on Apr 30, 04:34 AM 2019
Your talking about something a bit different there. But betting 13 numbers with an average error of 3 pockets, you should be onto a big winner. You should be winning about 20 units a spin.
Even if half of the time the dealer reduces you edge to random ie Back to house edge or worse, you should still be a big winner with or without a progression.
I bet two spots on the wheel, and cover 3 neighbour for a total of 14 numbers.
Sometimes the two spots concide in one spot or lay very near each other.
The predictions is calculated before ball launch, The accuracy is ok, except when dealers spin extremely fast (ball laps too long ) .
I think flat bet is safer but I then need to play long the thing that I don’t like.
Did you ever saw some vb experts who bet two spots on the wheel?
Yes. When there is not a dominant drop zone. Say two diamonds seperated by 180 degrees where jointly most of the hits occur. Each one will have a most common scatter peak associated with it. Take reference off one diamond, predict and also bet opposite side. I think this is more common for a computer method where it's easier to identify multiple areas earlier.
Quote from: Firefox on Apr 30, 08:09 AM 2019
Yes. When there is not a dominant drop zone. Say two diamonds seperated by 180 degrees where jointly most of the hits occur. Each one will have a most common scatter peak associated with it. Take reference off one diamond, predict and also bet opposite side. I think this is more common for a computer method where it's easier to identify multiple areas earlier.
Fire 🔥
I do exactly that ! And without computer! I have however a physical computer program that can make the calculation.
Hi
i also use a progression but i also have a limit and a good strategy. :twisted:
Enjoy my 20 minute session:
Quote from: webstars on Apr 30, 09:44 AM 2019
Hi
i also use a progression but i also have a limit and a good strategy. :twisted:
Enjoy my 20 minute session:
Webstar
I see you have skills in programming, that’s cool !
Do you have the possibility to pause/ resume a live stream which proadcasting live roulette table with dealer ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 30, 09:56 AM 2019Do you have the possibility to pause/ resume a live stream which proadcasting live roulette table with dealer ?
yes you can use
$('#video-element').pause()
Quote from: webstars on Apr 30, 10:00 AM 2019
yes you can use
$('#video-element').pause()
How ?
Unfortunately I am not a web developer !
How can I insert your code into my browser ?
Thx
I would not call this a bot since you place the bets manually, it's a 22 tables Tracker. :question:
does anybody know some casino use bigger and heavier ball?
i have now the feeling this when the ball is heavier, its tough to beat the table.
They do that quite a bit. The big Teflon 21 mm balls are heavier.
There's contrasting effects. Teflon has more friction, therefore deceleration is faster than ivorine. On the other hand there can be more initial momentum so deceleration slower. There's more energy when the ball reaches the frets so scatter can be longer.
Generally say when using rotor compensation you need a longer count between reference diamond and observation of fall off value, and add longer scatter to get prediction. Scatter isn't that much heavier but for a fall off of 4, I may go 22 not 33. It's 2/3 not 1/2. 24 not 18. Only 6 pockets. Both predictions will be likely be in the zone for a low profile wheel.
Quote from: Firefox on May 12, 01:19 PM 2019
They do that quite a bit. The big Teflon 21 mm balls are heavier.
There's contrasting effects. Teflon has more friction, therefore deceleration is faster than ivorine. On the other hand there can be more initial momentum so deceleration slower. There's more energy when the ball reaches the frets so scatter can be longer.
Generally say when using rotor compensation you need a longer count between reference diamond and observation of fall off value, and add longer scatter to get prediction. Scatter isn't that much heavier but for a fall off of 4, I may go 22 not 33. It's 2/3 not 1/2. 24 not 18. Only 6 pockets. Both predictions will be likely be in the zone for a low profile wheel.
🔥 Fox ... i appreciate your valued inputs.
i think you have plenty of experience in VB, i am interested in a private chat with you.
if i tell you what i do, you might wonder! i play VB online .. do you believe that VB techniques can be used online? if you know my story you will definitely change your mind
it seems that all tables of blaze roulette, use a heavier ball!
it sounds unfamilar to me, the predictions are often invalid!
see below manufacturer's description.
link:s://:.tcsjohnhuxley.com/product-category/roulette-wheels
I've got a few balls for my wheel at home.
15mm, 18mm, and 21mm in Teflon.
18mm Ivorine and 20mm plastic.
The 20mm plastic ones are crap. They wobble and chatter on the track, even though my track is in perfect condition. They were very cheap off ebay.
I need to get a decent 21mm Ivorine, then I'll have most of the ones they use. I got my 21mm Teflon off ebay recently. It was abut £5. Decent quality ball.
It is possible to predict with it, but I need to change things. You will probably find you can still beat your game but you need to add things for the heavier ball. Just keep on collecting data. Scatter distances versus wheel speeds. Number of revolutions of ball versus total spin time lengths. What spin number the ball falls off compared to the other balls etc. You will probably see what you need to do to adapt to the ball.