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Ok here we go:
the method is on ECs...1 EC everytime not all 3!!!!!
So pick up 1 and start

U must chose a pattern bet...any pattern bet!!! It doesn't matter which pattern as soon as you will NOT change it during play!!!
By pattern bet I mean:
eg.Bet the colour of the last
    or   bet the oposite colour of the last.
    or RR=R(RUN) and BR =B(CHANGE)
IN MY TESTING I USED THE LAST COLOUR FOR MORE EASY...I SUGEST U DO THE SAME SO U WILL NOT MAKE ANY MISTAKE.

so now you know where we bet
  Now lets explain HOW MUCH to bet(MM)
U will start by betting 1 chip.
U will have a pen and a papper and you will write
     Wins     Losses
eg.    w                      L
        w                      L
        w                      L
                              L   etc...

when you will see that you have eg 4 W and 8 L you will continue betting to the same pattern(eg last colour...we never ever change the pattern!!!!) but you will add 1 more chip in every new bet...(so 2 chips)
This is happening when we are in a stage that we have 4 more the Ls than Ws.
so eg if we have 7 W and 10 L we still bet 1 chips...But when it will be 7W and 11 L(4 Ls more) we will imidiatelly continue betting with 2 chips!
 we continue betting 2 chips until we are in a new pofit or close to the prinious one(if it made us hard time)...then we bet again with 1 chip.
now if we are in a stage that we are betting 2 chips and the deference between W and L is 8 more L than W then we imidiatelly bet 3 chips(+1 more).again until new profit.and then bet again 1 chip.
So 4 less    w   =bet 2 chips
    8 less    w   =bet 3 chips
    12 less  w   = bet 4 chips...etc...
In my tests I never had to bet more than 6.

that's it...
I posted all free all I need is more tests.... :)        

ps. you must write down the Ls and the Ws no matter what was the order!!!
I mean that we arent looking for 4 consecutice losses!!!!we are looking for 4 or 8 or 12 etc overal losses!!!
and after every new + we are restaring writing down  the Ws and Ls.

Everytime that U will be betting Bigger(because you had losses) the accuracy of the bets will be becoming biger...because Randomness will have to balance the Ls and the Ws....and we are betting so safe that we have lot of spins to hunt the balance. 8) :thumbsup:

We do not need the Randomness to make a perfect balance of Ls and Ws because we are betting with this mild progression...so we need less Ws than the Ls....isn t it great!!!isn t it reasonable?

I reread the explanation of thje system 2 times and I am amazed of how accurate and easy I explained all. ;D

so there is No room for questions...If there is any q it must be very reasonable!

My explanation covered all!

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Now THIS is a full systems' board thread :thumbsup:

Thanks for sharing it with us Jordan!

Noone instrested in it?

Yes Jordan I'm testing it.

Bit of a grind but safe so far. I've tried similar progressions but always more aggressive as my patience is my problem.

In theory this idea should produce positive results but it's all to possible to end up grinding away for so long that the need for sleep takes over. Then of course a run with many zero's will make things difficult.

I remain hopefull.

Trebor

How many 0s you will have ?LoL
and my friend patience is the only way in any succesfull system.

If you don't have it ...then I sugest you should play something else.

ps.U need just to win +15 or +20 chips with this and go homme....after some visits u will bet big and these +20 chips may be 1000 euros

The problem is that if you have say, 8 or 12 more losses than wins in the last 50 spins, then likely you will make profit, but if you get to 100 or more spins then you can easily get 12, 16 or more losses than wins and all the time your stakes are increasing. Stats will tell you that you can get 200 spins with only 65 of one side winning, which is 70 more losses than wins!

Of course, this is very rare but you will get times when sh*t happens. What is your backup plan when it does?

Not trying to be negative, just that you need to plan for EVERY eventuality.

Quote from: Jordan on Jul 17, 05:25 AM 2010
No one instrested in it?

THIS IS A very good way to play im testing this at the moment, t i will post my results when im done thanks jordan

Quote from: trebor on Jul 17, 07:46 AM 2010
Yes Jordan I'm testing it.

Bit of a grind but safe so far. I've tried similar progressions but always more aggressive as my patience is my problem.

In theory this idea should produce positive results but it's all to possible to end up grinding away for so long that the need for sleep takes over. Then of course a run with many zero's will make things difficult.

I remain hopefull.

Trebor

I dont think its a grind because you have systems where you waitng for triggers and you lose and then then wait for more triggers,thats a grind so it depends on how you look at it.

@Warrior
Yes that s the spirit...betting on every spin is fun and good...wile waighting for triggers is a thing that can make you tired and lose the interest.

@Bayes

I don't think my friend that you know Randomness so well. :)
U can not have any back up plan in any system ,SIMPLY BECAUSE U DO NOT KNOW WHEN RANDOMNESS IS GONA ACT FOR your FAVOUR OR AGAINST U!!!.

But what we know is that the rule is that Randomness will make all equal in the end.
There are seesions with exeptions...and this is why we have a stop-loss. :thumbsup:

Ps the right thing is to ALL make tests of 100 spins and post resaults!
We chose this Forum because we are Elite members with good character(help eatch other and don t fight) aren t WE???

jordan i was just thinking if when in profit and the W s are 4 8 12 more, to raise the the bet to 2 3 4 and bet once on the 4 and go back to 2 so were taking in more profit what do you think.

Jordan,

Well, you didn't mention a stop-loss in your first post, so THAT is the back up plan, yes?

What is the stop-loss?

Also, I assume that when you are in profit you reset the count: LOSSES = WINS.

@Bayes
There can t be any back up plan in Roulette!
Yes we must have a stop loss and I have already posted it in my Topic!
the Stop Loss should be about 60 chips.

""Also, I assume that when you are in profit you reset the count: LOSSES = WINS.""

U do not have to assume anything!
I have already answered it!Read all 3 times.

@warrior
I don t think this is a nice idea...we need to play safe!
what will happen If u will be betting with 3 chips because of many wins and then imidiatelly start facing a bad loss senario??? U will have to raise the chips to 4.5.6.7etc!

Quote from: Jordan on Jul 17, 09:44 AM 2010
@Bayes
There can t be any back up plan in Roulette!
Yes we must have a stop-loss and I have already posted it in my Topic!
the stop-loss should be about 60 chips.

""Also, I assume that when you are in profit you reset the count: LOSSES = WINS.""

U do not have to assume anything!
I have already answered it!Read all 3 times.

@warrior
I don't think this is a nice idea...we need to play safe!
what will happen If you will be betting with 3 chips because of many wins and then imidiatelly start facing a bad loss senario??? U will have to raise the chips to 4.5.6.7etc!

sounds good jordan i will try it the original way .W.

Bayes said :
"The problem is that if you have say, 8 or 12 more losses than wins in the last 50 spins, then likely you will make profit, but if you get to 100 or more spins then you can easily get 12, 16 or more losses than wins and all the time your stakes are increasing. Stats will tell you that you can get 200 spins with only 65 of one side winning, which is 70 more losses than wins!"

This is RIGHT!This is the only way to lose... But this is why we need a lot of testing...to see if this senario can happen frecuently!

Test all with me...maybe in some days if this system will be profitable we will all stop our day jobs.  ;D

I have tested 2 more 100 spins sessions

1)=+4
2)- 33  This was the 1st session after 31 sessions that lost!

Let s all see if this is freaquent and if these 31 Won sessions was just luck!

I just took a look at all the 32 sessions
Total resault =  +598    and   -33

so  +565 after 3200 spins! 
Looks good so far mates!

Quote from: Jordan on Jul 17, 09:44 AM 2010
@Bayes
There can t be any back up plan in Roulette!
Yes we must have a stop-loss and I have already posted it in my Topic!
the stop-loss should be about 60 chips.

If what you are doing isn't working, do you go on digging the hole deeper, or do you try something else?

That is what I mean by a back-up plan!

You didn't mention a stop-loss in your first post, but now I know.  :thumbsup:

Yes you keep digging deeper because U do not know what will be the swings!!! but u know that the Rule is the balance to come!

so keep diging   until we + again or -60.

Post results mate :thumbsup:

Quote from: Jordan on Jul 17, 07:53 AM 2010
How many 0s you will have ?LoL
and my friend patience is the only way in any succesfull system.

If you don't have it ...then I sugest you should play something else.

ps.U need just to win +15 or +20 chips with this and go homme....after some visits you will bet big and these +20 chips may be 1000 euros

Dead right Jordan and I'm working at it.

I've only been playing roulette for 6 months but I've already seen so many "unusual runs" that I'm now wary of expecting anything.

None of my comments are intended to be negative and I suppose I only said what more experienced players take for granted.

I'm sure that a mild progression coupled with some system that wins on the averages can make profits. I hope this is it.

I'll do some 100 spin tests.

Trebor

Good Trebor!

Jordan, Do you know if you were up at any time during your losing session? 


I was thinking maybe after +10 during a session, to change your bet selection and start over.
There are many bet selections to choose from so we should profit from one selection, then move to another.  We might avoid a losing session that way.

Just a thought




KEEL

O.K.  I just did a test.  I bet on RED every time.


167 total spins

78 - Wins
89 - Losses     46.7%

+5 units



It was a struggle to get the last couple of units.  I wanted to end at an even 5 profit.  It seems like a very good system.  It does take patients.  

I would strongly suggest a win target and loss/stop per session.  Here is what MY guidelines would be:

$1 units:  WIN TARGET ($10) LOSS/STOP ($100)
$5 units:  WIN TARGET ($40) LOSS/STOP ($250)
$10 units: WIN TARGET ($60) LOSS/STOP ($500)
$25 units: WIN TARGET ($100) LOSS/STOP ($1000)
$100 units:  WIN TARGET ($200) LOSS/STOP ($3000)

Just some more thoughts

KEEL

whats the recommended bankroll?

Suppose you are 16 more loses than wins.  You are now playing 5 chips.
Now you win four on a row.  You stay at 12 more loses than wins.
The question is: You still continue playing 5 chips or you play 4 chips?

@keel
U can never avoid a bad sequence in any system,simply because u do not know when it will hapen!
And this is why u must have a system like this one that even if u will lose more then win.in the end u will have profit

Eatlines
Yes after a lot of testing I found out that when u win 4 rimes u must then narow down the bet to the privious stage,...
eg if we were betting with 5 chips and we have 4 wins (not consequtive nesesary ,just 4 wins more than loses) u must continue betting with 4 chips....if u will have again 4 more losses u will again bet 5 chips etc...

OK, Thnxs, just like you explain in your first post.

Hi,

Jordan has presented an interesting method worthy of investigation.

Here I present a very similar idea - betting every spin for 100 spins using FTL on color in this example - but you can apply it to any reasonable EC selection method...
Betting using "cycle of 7 bets" method. Why seven? Well I've tried it with 10 but 7 has always been regarded as a "mystical" number and there are a lot of cycles that operate on the number 7 - including our own life cycles.

Quote
The number seven is important in many cultures and religions. There are seven steps to creating the Philosopherââ,¬â,,¢s Stone in the ancient science of Alchemy. There are seven days in a week, seven virtues and seven vices as well as seven branches in a menorah. There are Seven Wonders of the World, seven sacred sciences and seven chakras. In Greek Mythology, seven is the symbol of the Virgin. It is not possible to construct a perfect heptagon or to divide the circle into seven equal portions using only simple geometerââ,¬â,,¢s tools. Hence, seven is indivisible, unconquerable, and virginal.
To attempt to cite all the things included in this mystical number would require a library...

FOLLOW THE LAST COLOR

Casino Wiesbaden 01 JUN 2010 - Table 3
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,28,No,0,0,0,0,500, *wait for 1st number

2,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
3,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
4,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
5,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
6,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
7,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Red
8,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : Red *503 stay@1u


9,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
10,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
11,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
12,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Black
13,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
14,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
15,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black *502 incr to 2u


16,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : Black
17,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : Red
18,30,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Black
19,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,498,2 : Red
20,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Red
21,15,Bet,2,4,-2,2,498,2 : Black
22,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Black *496 incr to 3u


23,35,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Red
24,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,490,3 : Black
25,23,Bet,3,6,-3,3,493,3 : Red
26,25,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Red
27,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Red
28,2,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Black
29,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,499,3 : Black *499 stay@3u


30,30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,496,3 : Black
31,8,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Red
32,2,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Black
33,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Black
34,20,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,490,3 : Red
35,29,Bet,3,6,-3,3,493,3 : Black
36,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Black *496 incr to 4u


37,25,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,492,4 : Black
38,18,Bet,4,8,-4,4,496,4 : Red
39,23,Bet,4,8,-4,4,500,4 : Red
40,10,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,496,4 : Red
41,13,Bet,4,8,-4,4,500,4 : Black
42,33,Bet,4,8,-4,4,504,4 : Black
43,6,Bet,4,8,-4,4,508,4 : Black *508 decr to 1u


44,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black
45,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black
46,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red
47,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Red
48,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black
49,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : Black
50,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : Black *511 stay@1u


51,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : Black
52,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Red
53,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : Black
54,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Black
55,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Red
56,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black
57,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black *508 incr to 2u


58,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red
59,30,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Red
60,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Red
61,33,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Black
62,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Black
63,7,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Red
64,36,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red *514 decr to 1u


65,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Red
66,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
67,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red
68,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Black
69,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Black
70,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
71,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red *515 stay@1u


72,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Black
73,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Black
74,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Red
75,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Black
76,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Black
77,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Red
78,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Red *514 incr to 2u


79,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : Black
80,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red
81,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516,2 : Red
82,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,2 : Red
83,15,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516,2 : Black
84,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,2 : Black
85,5,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516,2 : Red *516 decr to 1u


86,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Red
87,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Red
88,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Black
89,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Black
90,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Red
91,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,518,1 : Red
92,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,517,1 : Red *517 stay@1u


93,32,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Black
94,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red
95,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Black
96,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Red
97,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
98,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Red
99,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Red *516 incr to 2u


100,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,514,2 : Black
101,18,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516,2 : Red *516 - STOP (100 bets)
[/table]


max drawdown=14
highest bet=4
bets won 53; lost 47

Increase stakes by +1 if 7-bet result is less than previous 7-bet result, otherwise remain at same stake for next seven bets - unless result is equal or ahead of overall session high; in which case reduce down to starting stake of 1u

Good luck,
A.

Ok listen.
The method I made is OK...but it isn t enginiared the BEST possibe!

Please try to take advantage the phenomeno of Randomness :"If u are losing now a lot...in a few spins more winners will come"
But it must win in the end even if the total wins were a lot less than the wins...

its all about Maths and when and how much to increze the chips.

Yesterday I finished my test of this method. I started with a 200 unit bank roll and ended sessions at +10.

After running the method for 15 days 2 sessions a day of play I have the following results:

Week one: Won 87 units, Lowest point during these sessions was -28 units.
Week two: Won 98 units, Lowest point during these sessions was -74 units.
Week three: Won 72 units, Lowest point during these sessions was -122 units.

I would stop seesions if they started to scare me, usually once I was at the 5 unit bet level, I would play out that session and call it quits.

Jordon I like your method and have used it even with Baccarat, where it worked just as well.


Thanks for Posting

Phishalot

Great idea Jordan.  Phisalot told me about your thread.

Here are 333 consecutive spins.  I played till +1 and started again back at 0.  Not sure if that's how you are playing it?  But, ended up at +27, highest drawdown was -32.

Appears this is a very simple strategy for walking away at many different points with some change in your pocket.  Black or green chips would do nicely on this.  I'll keep testing it.

Have a look and thanks much for sharing.

Wally

This is very similar to the "Bread Winner" system as explained in the book "Monte Carlo Anecdotes" except in the Bread Winner system you increase your bets once you have 5 losing bets on each level.

There's no need to set stop losses or wins.  Just have a large enough bankroll and you're almost guaranteed to win.

Victor has mentioned this system as a good grinding system for a few unit win each day.  (Actually, Victor has mentioned almost every system at one time or another.)  Google "Monte Carlo Anecdotes" for a read.  It goes into a little more detail re: how to keep track of your bets.

I have been using this betting method on double streets with excellent results.  Increase bet by 1 after losses equal 5 more than wins at each level.  It's almost infallible if you have about a 1000 unit bankroll.  You can even win playing for repeats as a bet selection method.  Actually, you can play this betting method on any of the bets with equally good results.  So, if you like to bet dozens, lines, corners, splits etc... just adjust the number of losses and go for it.

The more I type, the more I realize that this is the betting method to end all betting methods and we didn't even know it.  Thanks Jordan for opening our eyes to the truth.
I'm only half joking.  Check it out and see for yourselves.

Cheers,

George

Jordan,a while back you posted a money management plan that went something like this.The sequence was 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-8-9-9 etc up one on loss and I believe down 2 on a win.How would these two MM systems compare?Which one do you like better?