Beating roulette with math..

[Big EZ]

Alek,

You are correct my friend it might be a KO.But my bets arent even close to as high as Frippers are.
The more zeros you use the safer and more of a grind it becomes, and the less profit you make. It is all about your personal preference and how you prefer to play it.

[Fripper]

Alek,

You are correct my friend it might be a KO.But my bets arent even close to as high as Frippers are.
The more zeros you use the safer and more of a grind it becomes, and the less profit you make. It is all about your personal preference and how you prefer to play it.

Thanks for posting your way EZ. Incredible! 

I agree with you, your bets isn't even near as high as mine.

Remember aleks, this is as bad as it gets. You won't probably suffer these hard sessions in real life.

I will study your way more EZ, until then you can test some of the "horror" sessions in this thread to see how your way performs in different situations.  Every session is unique.


@Flukey

[Fripper]

Big EZ

Would you mind explaining how you play?
I see that you play every spin.
But how do you decided when you add more figures to the labby?
How do you now when to reduce your bets in the labby?
You don't use "mini-marty" as we say.

[Fripper]

Hey guys

I just tested a 91 spin session (A usual one, 49 reds, 40 blacks, 2 zero)

1.
First I tested with Trio's. (Mini-marty 3 steps. )
Result was +22 units.
Highest bet 54
Lowest point -77


2.
Then I tested the way Big Ez played.
Result was +25 units
Highest bet 7
Lowest point -1

I also tested the 65/128 session this way and got a high bet of about 250 units (A little higher then Big EZ got, maybe did some error, don't know)
It's amazing so far. 

The point with the test was to see which one does the most profit. I didn't think that the second way would make more profit, but it did. I'm not sure tho about if it always show more profit then "trio's" but I think it does.

So, we should test the 11 "horror" sessions from Bayes playing this way.

[aleks06]

Ok guys this the holy grail...


Last night in my bed i was thinking and i got some ideas. I thought " why we never tried to modify the stop-loss which is a very important point ?"

that's what I've done tonight...

I set as stop-loss : 2 losses

I start a labby with 9 zero's and a 1.

I play every spin until 2 losses.

When I lose 1 bet I replace a zero. when there is no zero left I add one figure and I split the labby into the lowest figures possible.


here are the results :

lowest point : -109

highest bet : 26 units

83 spins to end the first labby
85 spins to end the secnd labby
1 spin to end the third labby
and only one more win ( 1 red ) to end the fourth labby and give a 4 units profit.

You will see in my spreadsheet that my first labby gives a 3 units profit, i did some little errors but it doesn't matter.


Of course it needs more testing, maybe with a marty on 2 step like before it could be even better ( more profit ), we need to test it on the "horror" sessions and "normal" sessions.

But it looks really good 

[GLC]

06,

I think that we're getting somewhere worth going with this.  

I can sympathise with you about lying in bet thinking about different ways to modify bets, selections, triggers, win targets, stop losses, egads make it stop

But then sometimes, that's when we come up with our best ideas.

Cheers,

George

[albalaha]

Hey Marcus,
       Could you finalise this system's structure and rules? If yes, there should be a "new topic" in the section "Full Systems" explaining it in laymen's language. This sytem is one of the most discussed systems in this forum hence the actual playing technique should be revealed for all in its proper place. It is no more a "general discussion" stuff.

[Fripper]

Hey Marcus,
      Could you finalise this system's structure and rules? If yes, there should be a "new topic" in the section "Full Systems" explaining it in laymen's language. This sytem is one of the most discussed systems in this forum hence the actual playing technique should be revealed for all in its proper place. It is no more a "general discussion" stuff.

Hi dear.

I can't. We are still experimenting with it and coming up with new ideas, maybe in the future we can put a new topic in full systems.

@aleks06
If I understood correctly then a longer serie of this isn't good:
RBBRBBRBBRBBRBB
or
RBBRBBBBRBBBBRBBBRBB

[albalaha]

Dear Marcus,
         the only thing that I understood about this form of labby is putting lots of 0s and one 1 to begin with instead of 1234 as in the classic version. This way you minimise losses. I could not understand anything else about it. can't anybody rewrite the entire concept in easy to understand language?

[Fripper]

@Big EZ

I tested your method some and it really becomes a grind. I couldn't end one of the "horror" sessions.


Update

The way I see it, the best so far is the usual way.
9 zero's and a 1.
Until we have two losses we play each spin. If lose the first, double up. (mini-marty).
If we lose 2 in a row, our labby starts.
Then we bet in pairs (75/25 odds).
If win first bet, don't bet the last spin in that pair.
I recommend 10 figures max, that way we only need 5 wins to end the labby.
After 4 losses in a row we wait until a virtual win comes and start again.

I must test all the horror sessions again this way. Before I switched ECs, now I'm not.

Thoughts?

[Big EZ]

Fripper,

What horror session could you not clear? I will take a look at it and see if I can do it.
And yes it does become a grind, but if you have enough spins you will always clear the labby.

[Fripper]

Fripper,

What horror session could you not clear? I will take a look at it and see if I can do it.
And yes it does become a grind, but if you have enough spins you will always clear the labby.

Yes we will clear them eventually, but the bets may be too high.

Look in this thread for bayes "horror" sessions. There is a file which contains 11 of them.

I attach them for you 

[aleks06]

Session 7 with Fripper's new rules.


227 spins

profit : 12 units

highest bet : 122

lowest point : -281

good results

I will try the "65 wins session" tonight 

[Fripper]

Session 7 with Fripper's new rules.


227 spins

profit : 12 units

highest bet : 122

lowest point : -281

good results

I will try the "65 wins session" tonight 

Good results aleks. Don't have to high hopes about the "65 wins session"  But who knows.

Is the above results done with the rules I set in reply 279?
If so, then continue testing.
I have started testing the horror sessions again with good results.
Have tested the first 2 sessions. You could test 8-11, if you want.

[aleks06]

Is the above results done with the rules I set in reply 279?

Yes.

You could test 8-11, if you want.

Ok.