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I have learned you cannot delete or edit your first post, so in the future I will not say anything on the first post. I wanted to delete some stuff I said, but couldn't.
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Brand New Day
I had an idea and MattyMattz wrote me some software to test it. Testing was laborious. Along came a feller with a bot in his pocket and said, "Hey, Bro, my bot does that." Well, not really but it sounds good. I had the bot in my archives and dug it out.
Anyhoo..........in the next couple of days (when the wife goes to Bible Study) I will make a movie and show you something that will make you drool. I will show you exactly how it's done and the math behind it. I hate to say it, but there's no Voodoo involved.
And I hate to say it, but it's a whole lot of work and watching for a little profit. You will turn roulette into a low-paying job instead of a fun hobby. (Caveat: Unless you're just really, really unlucky!!)
There is a chance it will lose. That chance is infinitesimally small. But it will happen. By the time it happens, unless the gods of roulette have it in for you, you will be ahead so it won't matter a whole lot.
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS MY IDEA. IF I HAVE COPIED YOUR IDEA BY MISTAKE, LET ME KNOW. DON'T THREATEN TO SUE; I'LL TAKE IT DOWN.
Are we good? Can't we all just get along?
TwoCatSam
cmon....bring it on :girl_to:
so i understand your grandson goes to college and his fee will be paid :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
maestro
May I ask you a guitar question??
Re: Grandson. I wish!!
I play for pennies, Bro.
Or .50 at Dublin.
Have you priced college?
Why do I write like.
Thomas Grant?
Sam
Wife is going shopping. Movie soon!!
oh yes i priced my college long ago..cannot wait for video :thumbsup:
No guns or bombs required? Is a Lawyer needed to play this?
Sam I got my glasses on but nothing is coming.
Now thats some hype TwoCat :) :)
Look forward to your approach.
If its a success for me I will fly out to meet you and thank you in person.
I am sure your wife will be very happy as well.
Everyone will love this method and seeing if it can be improved any, only out of curiosity and goodwill.
Thanks 2Cat
This sounds good sam.
Waiting with popcorn.
Hang on.............
OH, Geez, it just occured to me I might have bloviated!!
GULP
Sam
I'm looking forward to my new job
(no pressure Sam)!
OK, Gents
I truly apologize. I have made a video in my van where it's quiet, but the computer is too far from the hot spot in my home and it does not work right.
The whole thing is based on the Law (Hak-Kaf) of the Thirds, which is really not a "law". Did I say that already? Having a bad, bad day.
But here's the graph. Draw down of about $30. Profit somewhere close to that.
Remember, I called it the "Holy Thingy".......
Sam
one big fall off the cliff,,, hey ones ok
Can t wait to see the video.
If Sam says he had found something good , its a must to see!
I am glad there is no voodoo in it.
OK
I am working to show you the Dublin version of the idea. That is totally mine with the help of the software MattyMattz wrote.
As to the Bet Voyager portion, I feel I should get the bot author's permission to show anything more than a graph. Even though it is my idea totally, the bot is what makes it a true winner. So I'll e-mail the author and go from there.
Sam
sounds promising. cant wait. :thumbsup:
Sam, If you don't hurry I might be dead before you finally get this thing posted. :'(
Quote from: GLC on Jul 11, 07:45 PM 2012
Sam, If you don't hurry I might be dead before you finally get this thing posted. :'(
George
You won't be dead unless you croak very soon. I will post tomorrow AM, as wife is going to Bible study and lunch. I have a hard enough time thinking when alone and just can't with someone around. Say a word to me and my train of thought derails....
In the meanwhile, here's another graph and I'll run the bot tonight for 3,4 M spins and we'll see what tomorrow brings.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 11, 10:26 PM 2012
George
You won't be dead unless you croak very soon. I will post tomorrow AM, as wife is going to Bible study and lunch. I have a hard enough time thinking when alone and just can't with someone around. Say a word to me and my train of thought derails....
Sam
Sounds like we're both likely candidates for a permanent spot on the "Spit and Whittle Club" at the corner of 1st and Main.
I'll look forward to that present in the morning. If I can remember it.
GLC
Hola Sam
Thanks for posting. Looks like a steady moneymaker in 2k+ spins. Iits played with 0.1u base bet and involves some kind of progression. 4 drop downs of at least 10u, the biggest one of 20u with recovery. Very steady rate of climb. 10u in plus after 700 and 26 in 1.4k
Regards
darn, nothing yet :'(
vundarosa
Warning! Just had a $42+ draw down. Much to talk about here. Run from hell. Many ways to get past it.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 12, 12:27 AM 2012
Warning! Just had a $42+ draw down. Much to talk about here. Run from hell. Many ways to get past it.
Sam
oh Gosh! The Dark (k)night Rises!
Can we have the rules please?
10 units for 700 spins does not look very holy but any way ...will see how it goes
Quote from: maestro on Jul 12, 06:27 AM 2012
10 units for 700 spins does not look very holy but any way ...will see how it goes
I think thats 10$ and if he is playing with 0,01$ then... >:D
only that the drawdowns are large then too
My definition of the so-called "Holy Grail" as stated by VLS:
It returns your investment plus one unit.
I agree with this totally.
Those who do not like this method are free to ignore all future posts. I will not let criticism deter me from letting the rest of the forum judge for themselves.
That said, here is another graph with an even larger draw down. I'm of the opinion that if you can't stand a draw down like this, hang on. You don't have to.
There will be a rather long explanation of this to come later. By video.
Sam
P.S. The unit bet is the penny. The amount won on this graph is around 6,000 pennies.
""""My definition of the so-called "Holy Grail" as stated by VLS:
It returns your investment plus one unit."""
Yes this is the correct definition of the Holy Grail
Yes the down is big BUT the good point is that the recover is very fast.(little spins).
This makes it playable IF the progression isn t reaching the table limit.
Just keep it "Thingy"--way less pressure on the author.......And being Holy can't really hurt much either.
Do you play with 0.1u Sam?
Yes, no grandiose claims here--just a pretty salty method of play.
On BV, I play with pennies. On Dublin it's .50 per number so it runs 8E to 11.5E, depending on where you are.
To eliminate confusion, this shall be the BV version of the idea and I'll open a new thread strictly for Dublin or other real-wheel casinos.
Wife is almost out the door.
Sam
Cant wait ;D
Sam, Since your wife's going to Bible study, it has reminded me of a verse that we all need to abide by.
This is written by the Apostle Paul to the church in Corinth.
"Everything is permissible for me"â€"but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"â€"but I will not be mastered by anything. (1 Cor 6:12)
Cheers, my friend
GLC
Thanks, George. I needed that.
Sam
Enough with the sermons can't we get the system that will enrich all of us enough that we can donate big chunks to our local Churches and God's? Or at least something that will at least get us a free beverage at the Local 7 -11?
you can donate to your churches, i want a CLS :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
:twisted:
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 12, 04:15 PM 2012
7 -11
I surrender. :love: :love: :love:
OK, I won't bore you guys with more graphs.
Will leave this thread be until I have better news to report.
Sorry...........
Sam
Hi Sam,
can this be played on single Zero wheel ?
Is it possible to play in local Casinos or do I need a Bot ?
Regards
Raymond
confused again.....(I do confuse easily)....but wasnt this post just another wank-fest over nothing?
Ive read it twice now.....Im seeing nothing.
Mabe Im in an alternative universe!
(Ive just finished The Grand Design-Stephen Hawking)
turner
You are right!
Sorry!
We try.......
Sam
This is what I'm finding and this is for Bet Voyager only. I feel it might apply elsewhere.
I've run my robot for tens of thousands of spins. By making my own personal movies, I can go back and study the results.
Here is what I'm finding................
I'm waiting for five unique spins and then betting for seven spins, for a total of 12. I then pause and go virtual for a few spins---maybe ten, twenty, or a hundred. I then resume right where I left off. This has yet to lose.
The number of times the thing wins within seven spins is about 20-1. I'm finding that I win within seven spins a vast, vast majority of the time. Now, referring back to what I said about the "gods" of roulette being against you-----you would have to be very, very unlucky to have a bad run followed by a virtual run and then another bad run. Can it happen? Anything can happen. However, I feel the times it happened and you lost would be far outpaced by the wins.
That's it.
Sam
Well, I have to back up a bit.........
I have learned--much to my dismay--that my screen capture software interferes with my robot and causes erratic results. So my 20-1 statement was off.
Attached is a graph. The red marks where the progression went seven spins after five unique and lost. The blue is where it won within the seven spins.
So about 3-1. Still pretty good odds of winning.
Sam
how are you betting yet progression or flat ?
It is a progression.
It bets 5 numbers, then 6 and 7 8 9 10 11 12.......and puts enough on each to win 1 unit. At least 1 unit.
Sam
thanks Mr Sam
42 wins in a row....
Sam,
Can you give us some statistics in units if you don't mind.
What's your highest bet?
What' your largest draw down?
Do you have a set progression or do you calculate as you play?
Etc....
GLC
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 15, 03:31 PM 2012
This is what I'm finding and this is for Bet Voyager only. I feel it might apply elsewhere.
I've run my robot for tens of thousands of spins. By making my own personal movies, I can go back and study the results.
Here is what I'm finding................
I'm waiting for five unique spins and then betting for seven spins, for a total of 12. I then pause and go virtual for a few spins---maybe ten, twenty, or a hundred. I then resume right where I left off. This has yet to lose.
The number of times the thing wins within seven spins is about 20-1. I'm finding that I win within seven spins a vast, vast majority of the time. Now, referring back to what I said about the "gods" of roulette being against you-----you would have to be very, very unlucky to have a bad run followed by a virtual run and then another bad run. Can it happen? Anything can happen. However, I feel the times it happened and you lost would be far outpaced by the wins.
That's it.
Sam
I've read the above and it still seems to be missing some important pieces.
Can you fill in some of the blanks?
Maybe a short example?
GLC
George
I am using a robot with a pause feature. You can set it to pause after a certain loss. I plug in 1.5 Euro.
The bot waits for five unique numbers to come: 23, 2, 11, 7, 16.....and then bets on those. Each number that comes that is a loser is added to the five. So you have 6,7,8, etc. It bets until the next bet would cause it to bet more than 1.5 Euro. I then set Bet Voyager to run on auto and let it run long enough to brew a pot of Oolong tea. I then untick the pause box and re-start the robot.
It resumes by waiting for 5 unique and then bets those five, but it bets enough to recover the 1.5 E loss. It bets until I stop it or I put in a new loss level. Like 10.00 Euro.
This graph has one area where I paused it and it won and then we walked the dogs. It went down over 116 Euro. After we got back, I re-set the loss limit and it stopped again and then won on the first bet of the second try.
Can't wait to try this with Dublin. But I have to do it by hand there........
Sam
*******It resumes by waiting for 5 unique and then bets those five, but it bets enough to recover the 1.5 E loss. **********
This is wrong. More tomorrow. I could not edit the post.
HAVE NOT GIVEN UP......
Sorry for the shout!
OK, I'm at BV playing for play pennies. I'm looking for 8 unique numbers and the seeking a loss limit. When I find the limit I will continue with the progression by hand until I learn something.
It can be profitable with 5 unique, but it simply isn't worth the time. Makes pennies.....
If I can find the right balance, I'll try to find a robot that will bet as I want and then see what happens.
TwoCat
Still working toward the "Holy Thingy"......
Have a really good idea; too soon to talk about it.
Sam
OK, finally hit the wall......
This graphs shows a 28.75 u loss. I divided that in two and got back my money in two tries. I calculated the amount need with 8 numbers to win 14.38 u. Then that loss + 14.38. Then those two losses plus 14.38. I went from 8 numbers bet to nine, ten, and so on calculating how much I needed for each bet to clear the losses and furnish 14.38. Worked perfectly.
I feel the odds of getting two of these huge draw downs in a row--especially after going virtual for a few spins--would be rare. So rare as to be profitable over all.
After the 14.38 loss, I run BV in auto mode for a few spins and then seek out 8 unique and begin betting. This is the slow, laborious part. Hopefully I won't have to do it much.
Notice my profit before the fall and after. I would have made about 15 u if I had just quit.
Could I get a witness?
Sam
Hey Sam, First and foremost I respect your attitude towards roulette plus I love all your posts, priceless! Sam this 5number thingy up to 12 #s is scary I cannot get it to tank 60 games hit the 12, 2 or three times but not one loss. Now this is serious VOODOO! I'm trying to figure out why it works and it's genious. Has anyone been able to tank this thing! lorna dunne
lorna
OK, now, I'm confused.
Are you talking about the 5 numbers I was originally betting?
Thank you for your kind words.
Sam
Yes, Sorry to confuse you but yes I have just been playing your original 5 numbers I have since tanked it after my boast of 60 games but the srike rate is good. This next idea is great but waiting for the 8 uniques (boring!) come on Sam we have to make this fun. As GLC said this little dity gives me some ideas I have been working on to make this better. Thanks for all your posts and time. lorna dunne
Sam
Will you be releasing the Bot so we can all find Fame and Fortune ??
Well done with ure efforts !
I do not own the bot. It is on loan to me and can be recalled at any time by the author.
This idea is good but it needs more work.
Doing the progressions is murder.
What is that website for progressions?
Could anyone program a calculator to do this:
Desired amount.......numbers bet (8, 9, 10, or more).....
$25 is desired amount. How much do I bet on 8 numbers? I lose.
$25 + the amount lost on the eight-number bet. How much do I bet on nine numbers to clear both deficits?
And so on......
Sam
Sam, just use this formula for inside numbers
NEXT BET SIZE = (1 + DEFICIT/(36 - HOW MANY NUMBERS))
I remember being in high school.........
"When am I ever going to use this math junk anyway?"
Thanks Superman.
Sam
sam, is this the site you were looking for?
link:://:.loothog.com/Systems/prog.html (link:://:.loothog.com/Systems/prog.html)
cheers.
Hi Sam,
what do you do when you hit the number ?
....you take out all the numbers set and start with the last 5 ?
....you clear out and wait for another 5 unique numbers ?
Regards
Ray
Absolutely!! I kept thinking it was "wart hog".
Thanks, ewar!