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EXPERIMENTAL IDEAS FOR PRO PLAY

Started by XXVV, Feb 12, 06:48 PM 2011

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XXVV

Again and again it hits you. Get in and obtain a suitable and sensible profit. Then get out. Short cycles.

Perhaps from a well practiced and proven set of techniques, apply one at a time, suiting conditions, then strike and take profit.

You can see how this suits internet casino play, like selective shopping, just call in and walk away with the acquisition. Just be selective and avoid the questionable outcomes. Stick with live authenticated casinos.

Suggest preparing a schedule of best locations and have accounts over a selection.

Your session can be one spin if a successful coup and  from prior research you have a suitable goal.

Then accumulate profits.

Turn it into a private quest. How long can you push a winning streak, or better how long can you extend further your successful techniques. Push always to new and better outcomes. This is the real inner game.

Of course there is a place and time for longer play.

However it is hardest for the casino to beat you on such a gambit if you target one number alone, or one group. With pre-selection you should be able to avoid the extremes, ie the extreme cold, or even the extreme hots that go cold. Refer to Norman Squire - How to Win at Roulette.

One of my favourite techniques is to chase and trap zero. There are lots of tricks to this, more later. But how often do you hear tests of methods that go well but zero acts as the leveller. Its just another number with its own characteristics for the purposes of the wheel sections and the felt layout.
One way into this mystery might be to group the finales, the characteristics of numbers. Another can be the European groupings of numbers into zero section, tiers, orphans. More on this later.

Johnlegend

Quote from: XXVV on Apr 24, 05:58 PM 2011
Again and again it hits you. Get in and obtain a suitable and sensible profit. Then get out. Short cycles.

Perhaps from a well practiced and proven set of techniques, apply one at a time, suiting conditions, then strike and take profit.

You can see how this suits internet casino play, like selective shopping, just call in and walk away with the acquisition. Just be selective and avoid the questionable outcomes. Stick with live authenticated casinos.

Suggest preparing a schedule of best locations and have accounts over a selection.

Your session can be one spin if a successful coup and  from prior research you have a suitable goal.

Then accumulate profits.

Turn it into a private quest. How long can you push a winning streak, or better how long can you extend further your successful techniques. Push always to new and better outcomes. This is the real inner game.

Of course there is a place and time for longer play.

However it is hardest for the casino to beat you on such a gambit if you target one number alone, or one group. With pre-selection you should be able to avoid the extremes, ie the extreme cold, or even the extreme hots that go cold. Refer to Norman Squire - How to Win at Roulette.

One of my favourite techniques is to chase and trap zero. There are lots of tricks to this, more later. But how often do you hear tests of methods that go well but zero acts as the leveller. Its just another number with its own characteristics for the purposes of the wheel sections and the felt layout.
One way into this mystery might be to group the finales, the characteristics of numbers. Another can be the European groupings of numbers into zero section, tiers, orphans. More on this later.
Yes XXVV I like the hit and run approach in the beginning. Its all about building a financial fortress. Then you can be more daring in your pursuit of profit. I played a game of PATTERN FILLER yesterday that again produced a very attractive winning streak of 23 cycles even though I was a mere observer having banked after 4. Its there for the taking PATTERN FILLER is the ultimate variation of the concept.

Johnlegend

Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 25, 01:48 AM 2011
Yes XXVV I like the hit and run approach in the beginning. Its all about building a financial fortress. Then you can be more daring in your pursuit of profit. I played a game of PATTERN FILLER yesterday that again produced a very attractive winning streak of 23 cycles even though I was a mere observer having banked after 4. Its there for the taking PATTERN FILLER is the ultimate variation of the concept.
XXVV, im going on vacation in the early hours of tomorrow for 10 days. Im going to post up the pattern filler variation today. But I dont really like the name PATTERN FILLER. Im going to call it PATTERN *X* Partly out of respect for your acknowledgement and hard work and because until we know what the FINAL pattern  will be, it is an unknown bet selection.

XXVV

Thanks JL. Have a well deserved break. This has been a very productive few months, and a real step forward for us all. X

XXVV

Ok I have modified an earlier post (edited out) that outlines my plan of attack for the next 4 weeks and at the end of that time I am off on a live B+M campaign trail and will use the seven methods outlined here and some extra in serious professional play.

Essence of this message is to focus on the criteria for slection of a method.

It has to be simple, effective, reliable, proven, consistent, high strike rate, good P/E ratio, and fast.

Management of it has to be cool and professional, yet with a clause that permits aggressive parlay opportunities when opportunity beckons.

Aim is to hit and run, rotating methods and winning coups that vary from one win to a small series of wins. We are taking advantage of the principle of statistical or relative Ecart ( deviation) in short cycles. This is the secret of success.

This thread was stated as its intention to be a Workshop of assembled and engineered bets, a sort of cuckoo's nest of shiny and polished gems collected from near and far with the intention to build an arsenal of great value and to share this information with those who care to tune in.

Here are 7 methods selected and some may surprise you. Please forgive me if I have not mentioned or included many other worthy techniques but the criteria are clear and my knowledge is still growing. Play is short and effective per coup.

1. PPPC Bet and variations as published.

2. Doubles Bet based on primary and secondary bets as forwarded to me     (and published by consent).

3. Matrix Bet as initiated by CommonSense and developed Beyond CommonSense.

4. Bet within a Bet ( multi dimensions) by Iceman1313

5. Pattern 4 by John Legend

6. Pattern Breaker by John Legend

7. Divide and Conquer by Scooby Doo

The list is not finite but what I propose to do over coming weeks is to test and apply these methods in one concise location ( here) with some worked examples to demonstrate their already known effectiveness. As stated, purpose of this thread is to collect this material that I would personally use, and share it with clear examples, with those who can benefit also.

Then all I would add would be the key management and banking criteria and then ask that profits from this work are acknowledged and at least 10% of net earnings go to a worthy charity/ cause of your choice - for example KIVA or ProjectHopeful.org

I can guarantee that by disbursing a portion of your profit you will find that this principle is most effective and as some have stated, addictive in the most positive of ways.


XXVV

Lets get this show on the road and I am going to go through these techniques one by one but backwards; so the first up will be Divide + Conquer.

Currently under testing and am exploring a possible flat staking application. Will report a suitable sample of results tomorrow ( played on progression) with a definitive explanation of operation and suggested management technique and staking plan, largely as outlined so well by Scooby Doo and JohnLegend.

XXVV

There are several possible levels of bets available with this method D+C and purpose of this short schedule is to demonstrate what may be most effective, but remeber this still a workshop experiment.

Thesis : that we are looking for short cycle Ecart/ Deviation wins as opposed to the corrective Balance forces which erode net profit and return the net result to expectation. It is the short Deviation from which we seek to profit.

Hence it is crucial to find a suitable trigger to signal to start and from testing to recognise where we may step off and take profit.

After a lot of trial and error I believe a suitable trigger will be the passing of a short corrective phase, not necessarily only a really heavy one, but sufficient to keep the pot boiling so to speak, and with a parameter that keeps bet opportunities quite frequent. ( The other extreme would be to await a massive corrective loss, and once it has passed take one winning bet and quit).

So my criteria : a loss of two attempts or more on a target

e.g. xxW  (1-3-9) actually a hit on 9 if we were playing continuously

or more such as xxxW  or xxxxW  or more.

As soon as the (virtual) play has concluded with a W (win) then climb on for a flat bet first attempt.

If it fails play again on the basis 1-3  ( max risk 8 units).

On a 1250 spin sample I found 40 hits and 3 losses, ie +16 points.


However lets take this a step further.

After such a setback I noticed wins often come in twos or more.

So lets play for two hits in a row after the trigger ( with the allowance to take two bites at this cherry at 1-3). Risk : 8 units.

1250 spins  with 37 wins and 5 losses, ie 74-40 = +34 points. Twice as good a result. a bet every 40 spins on average.

So that's the theory - try for two wins in a row on a very conservative 2 step progression, after the appearance of a loss of two attempts or more prior as a trigger.

I also played a theory of a trigger being two losses in a row then playing for one bet only after on a flat basis, but if missed go to the next spin and up the stake 1-3-9.  Risk 26 units.

1250 spins

30 bets

30 wins. No loss

+30 points.

About one betting opportunity every 40 spins. Of the 30 bets, 24 were achieved as a single attempt win. that's 80%.

Exclude any bet that went beyond the one attempt and the net win is +18 points.

No need to risk the kitty with any further extended step progressions.

Note how all the analysis of the D+C data is positive. Very few losses.

Lets accentuate the positives and be selective as to entry and exit points and where to pitch the bet, then this is a great method to build upon.

Testing continues.


XXVV

The extended analysis of the D+C work has now finished.

It has proven very worthwhile and I am very grateful to the encouragement from ScoobyDoo on that. It is likely that had he not written to me, I may never have thought through some of the ideas, particularly the loss game scenario, in such detail.

After all that work it is clear that there are a dozen good bets that can be derived.

I don't know but I suspect that there may be lots of cross over - what we call 'cross-pollination'
in design between all the matrix format bets.

What I am keen to explore now is one of those ideas that come to you in the twilight zone of waking- the extension of dozens and column play to three 12 number wheel sections, using some of the more radical ideas that have emerged out of the research like the 'loss' strategies.

This is something I have used before but in four sections to fit a 9 number module as part of another methodology I have used and developed, but which was taught to me originally by a brilliant Statistician from Europe. It has terrific power and a lot of fun visually.

What is very rewarding is the endless potential of creative ideas applied to a problem.

XXVV

On this thread we explore a study of the wheel sections and street sections formulated to equate to dozens and columns play.

Format D+C matrix.

Streets

1  1-2-3
2  4
3  7
1
2
3
1
2
3
1
2
3  and so on


Wheel section

I am going to bend a few rules and include zero to formulate a section of 13 numbers, then two other sections of 12 numbers.

1  Zero section 'A' section
    numbers 7 through to 2 inclusive

2  my 'B' section
    numbers 25 through to 10 inclusive

3   'C ' section
     numbers  5 through to 29 inclusive

I will be running a few tests on these and then will look to abstract a further level bet which may, from time to time, have inside table betting opportunities.

XXVV

So the wheel sections, streets, dozens and columns when in "loss" mode according to the position of the Ecart, may provide a matrix target on inside table betting if we manage 2 or more of these modes simultaneously.

More on this soon.

XXVV

One step at a time here.

Core focus at the moment is to find the most appropriate bet that can swing and adapt to match the mode of the Ecart, either to 'win' or to 'lose' (reverse or switch bet).

Also to effectively measure the current phase of the Ecart.

Then to find whether we can flat bet or progress the bet in a suitable way.

At one tough polarity it may be that we have to work within +3/ -3 (points) parameters.

Not for gamblers.

XXVV

Right now I am studying the D+C matrix method to extract short sessions where the above principle can be applied.

I expect to have sessions of +3/-3/+3/+2/+5/-3/+3/+4/+2/-3/+3/+3 and so on.

In essence what we are trying to do is simply to have more +3's than -3's.

Let's keep it simple and I will report results asap.

XXVV

Recent results on D+C based on simple win macro play has actually been very successful.

A streak of + 49 winning games at the moment is unbeaten on 2 sessions.

You could call this 'lucky' but when the Ecart is securely in the mode where there is a dominant and settled win streak then this should be harvested. A win is a win!

Of course it is not always like that and really that is what some writers are trying to point out, and not to be overly negative, but more to caution.

Nevertheless when there is an opportunity it pays to accentuate the positives and to aggressively attack the wins. This is actually one way to successfully use 'short' cycles to your advantage. Use parlay or short steps to press your bet!  I like steps of three.

As we have said many times key is to recognise what state the Ecart sits. I have mentioned the use of increment measurement of moving average. Again I use sets of three bets , triads.

Now here is an idea, one of many, but it is away to press your advantage should the mood of the Ecart be more in 'loss' mode.

There are other ways to measure. You could count the micro losses in the last 10 macro games, in 50, in 100 bets. All are useful and easy to do.

Should the phase be in more frequent losses here is an idea, and it is very valuable. I know many here wont even read this or apply it because they might think it too abstract. No matter. But it is a flat bet and it targets 'loss'. I wasn't going to publish this but I am convinced that it is just one of many many ways you individually can find and call your own.

It has taken me many hours of trial and error to tune and of course it wont always work. It will only work when the Ecart is in a key phase.

I hope everyone understands this principle. It is uses the idea of stepping in time to the beat of the game and the phase (key) of the game. Dance.

When you have assessed the session is not in a long win streak, then play for micro loss, but only one per macro bet! And stop at the loss. don't go on for a next step, ie keep the +2 profit, and don't dilute by -1 for the inevitable and more likely W. Remember there are twice as many W micro elements out there as L elements.

For example

W   LW   LW                -1   +2   +2   =  +3   you could close the session at this point! or...

LLW  W   LLW             +2    -1   +2  =   +3

W     L      W                                    =     0

LW   LLW   LLLW                             =     +6 ( max score)


Looks easy?

It takes a lot of patience, and profit comes in clusters, but on 250 games of D+C recently the overall result was +30 using this.

Other large samples can be smaller gain, and some may cancel out.

Idea here is that this is one method you can apply in short bursts, flat staking and possibly at higher unit value.

I emphasise it needs the session game to be in 'loss' mode.

You could set a sharp -3 stop loss if you are playing very short sessions.


XXVV

The win streak macro on D+C has now gone on to +93 games.
You don't play 'loss' in such conditions.

XXVV

The win streak on D+C went to 163 consecutive win games on 1-3-9.

The subsequent cycle went to an expected 26.

During those cycles there was little opportunity for 'loss ' strategy. However one for 'win' strategy has emerged and I will publish this idea soon.

While the dozens were streaking, the columns were not ( but I will publish an exact comparison soon on the approx 750 live spins concerned over the 11 sessions).

A loss strategy would have worked on the columns, and I will publish this idea here soon also. This is quite ingenious.

It is important to say that these two don't cancel each other out.

There have to be key triggers and loss stops like a short brake or leash.
More soon.
XXVV

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