COMMON SENSE BETTING + PROFESSIONAL ROULETTE STUDIES

[XXVV]

Live live only.

No need for the other stuff with risk of hi-tech manipulation or even risk of loss of electronic feed.

XXVV

[F_LAT_INO]

Live live only.

No need for the other stuff with risk of hi-tech manipulation or even risk of loss of electronic feed.

XXVV

--Well and truly said,without hurting anybodys believes.
Good on ya mate.

[XXVV]

If you follow this thread and review some key earlier posts from CS wrt matrix bet selection you will see several trigger selection nominations from CS.

Added to that was my own initial idea for a trigger before I had access to the full thread and all posts from CS in one location. All these have already been described.

Overall there are four options which set up live play following a variable passage of virtual play.

All betting is penultimate cycle.

To date I have had considerable success applying these and your efforts to test these ideas would be very rewarding for all who are passionate enough to win consistently.

It is early days yet as I would not publish any results until the full 30 x 100 spins are completed, on all four approaches.  I have a lot of work ahead!

But I will add this suggestion.

Not only can you play for great efficiency with just 4 inner numbers ( using as little as 2 chips per live spin) - with this we will need a point at which we need to stop should there be no win within 9 spins(or sooner). There may be a trigger and stop within a live phase ( I have an idea for this). At other times you may find wins cluster - sometimes spectacularly!

But in addition, and with great promise there is another way as well which may overlap with the first method - this is to play the target dozen and column bet as an outside bet with the same trigger as above, This method has the benefit of making +1 unit when coming close to one of the target inside numbers. This is the 'close but' you can have 'your cigar' as well approach.

If you play the outside bets at a higher unit value than the inside bet you may have a sensible buffer bet. Or you can just play it alone.

There are times - and CS did refer to it - you have to go back and decipher his compressed suggestions- when your selections reverse - this might be a signal for stop/ start. Its a bit like a mirror mechanism sometimes.

When you are used to it its very simple.

There are some interesting parallels here with the potentially valuable and interesting work with the DNA of Roulette thread. This is simpler.

All betting is flat stake - there is no need for any other approach, or risk exposure.

CS earlier referred to a ratio of wins to losses which although postive was in his opinion not good enough as the loss phase might wipe out a bank. So there must be ways to increase effectiveness. Working on that also.

Hope this helps and anticipate replying with results in a few days.

XXVV

[chrisbis]

The matrix formation must be variable in itself, even if we have stubbled
(almost inevitably so) onto one of the many ways that the wheel *functions*.

For me, there may well be 'X'-number of Matrix's (Matrices) (prob more like Matrii)
within the scope of the available play, and perhaps the more interesting initial
theory could be *honed out*  in RNG. (and Slingshot wheels)

For instance.
If u where an RNG programmer, would u not perhaps design means of moving the ball spins around the table in an apparent *random* method, but actually controlling the output very carefully. Thus, a Matrix system is born.

For real wheels, The Matrix/) movements, must be a function of the cosmos!


So.....................how to tap into the cosmos eh?

[XXVV]

Interesting,
You can go down the path of Numeris et al.
I love the pretty diagrams and some have real Power.
Yes the matrix may just be a slice of life- a quantum unit if you like- at this time. The framework is there - then we select the triggers and actions by trial and error.
Nevertheless we have an innate ability that is intuition. Work with that.
Trust that. We can be in tune with whatever we choose, good or bad, highest or lowest.

To be specific I like Simplicity as it is a refinement as Art.

Engineering always refines to an essence and hence is elegant and beautiful.

There is no need to complicate for the sake of it. In design I call it false complexity. The earlier framework of construction gets stripped away in due course.

In this case we have an engineered model, the matrix as set out to date, that works as a prototype - lets use it. The 'key' to tuning the accuracy of the answers to me is a bit like tuning the racing engine - step by step, overlay with overlay but I suspect and have been advised, it gets easier. Beware short term reverse engineering however.

To me the analogy is like climbing the hill to see whats on the other side - as you move closer to the summit the gradient eases and there are glimpses ahead of the vista and harvest beyond. In this case our goal is to win plenty through wise and accurate selection and management.

Let the results speak for themselves in due course. This will be my last post for a while.

XXVV

[chrisbis]

Show me (and obvi the whole forum) just a small slice of how u go about
seeing/choosing/spotting the triggers?

Just if u can, using Ur previous trips, show us a small
detail/sketch of the relationsship between the Movements, and how to identify the next move.

i have just had a very interesting game on Eurogrand Live wheel.

0.10-15.00 unit table limits which is perfect for trying out new ideas.

After a dealer change, and using a drawing i have in front of me of the wheel, i could actually *see* the layout of the dealers spin ballistics and *guess* the approx are of the next landing.
She (the dealer) was spinning approx 40% + on the opposite side of the previous spin.

So i won a few hands as i laid down a minefield of flat bets to cover the expectant result.

OK, till next dealer comes along.
Some girl dealers are very consistant in their spinning action.

[Carsch]

Some girl dealers are very consistant in their spinning action.

Quite! I've noticed that. Call it the dealer signature, if you will. I see it as their personality energy of the moment being expressed on the game itself. For example, i'll see a dealer spinning a same color most of the time; another dealer comes, and that will change maybe to the other color, or chops, or a mixture of everything. Last time, i had noticed this dealer spinning all numbers from two dozens but the other dozen. That was consistent for the whole time he dealt. Another dealer came in, everything changed right away.

[XXVV]

Urgent business requires me to be away now for a prolonged period.

@chrisbis- if you read my last posts more carefully and review the earlier pages of the thread where CS refers to matrix, and then later two different approaches to triggers, all the information you will need ( at least to make a great start) is there. No hints, but pure gold.

All the other playing instructions are in my post if you read it very carefully.

Regarding 'Dealers Signature' - I consider it irrelevant.  Most patterns that lie below the surface which can be profitably mined transcend any dealer change. The pretty dealer is just a further distraction.

In the 3 sets of 6 repeats that I observed - what are the odds in probability theory- astronomical- yet in real life in live casinos - observed three times within 12 years - yet in every case they changed dealers mid way. It had no effect! Dont ever play RNG and remember time lapse controls used in 'live' sports feeds - dont play 'live' video casinos. Save your money.

Good Hunting

XXVV

[6th-sense]

i too have been studying this way of play. they are lots of things happening within this matrix. i,ve noticed that you don,t seem to get a lot of repeats of the same section per 100 spins ie any of the 9 segments don,t repeat much at all.
i,ve also noticed that segments also reverse themselves so many per 100 spins ie ab would come out ba on the next spin,etc.
also aa bb cc seem to be more related to each other than should be. when one of them appears the same one or any of the two others seem to be not far behind.
also looking a bit further into the numbers the black numbers in column 2 seem to produce more red numbers straight after than they should.
also if any of the other segments with a different letter and not a double letter ie ab or ca you can get a lot of wins on the letter that doesn,t appear. for example if ab comes out you could bet on doz c col c to catch the change in the matrix. the key i think is in the timing. would you wait for a repeat ie ab ab or ab,ba to come out 1st then bet doz c col c i,m still looking into this.

[VLS]

Welcome to the forum, 6th.

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May you have a long and prosper stay.

[chrisbis]

@6Th Sense.

Welcome.

Interesting Hypotheses.
And i'll leave it at a welcome.

[6th-sense]

crhisbis no disrespect but you need to study like me and vvxx and i,m not a newbie in terms of roulette. dealer signatures is a fallacy or all pro players would be playing in the same casino with the same dealers then become known to the pitboss if it was possible, i thought you was more into bots? how could we learn together if you want me to guide you through something you should have studied more yourself.  no disrespect so please don,t take offence

[chrisbis]

Offence taken, but i learn quick.

Cheers 6

[VLS]

In defense of dealer signature.

There IS the possibility of finding wheels with a dominant drop that do enable it (Hybrid signature).

Remember dear friends: Roulette is both a physical device and a statistical game.

Regarding the dealer signature debate, I like to think each party is right on their own court.

Physical-approach players are doing good by tracking the dealers. There are physical events that are undeniable, and the correlation of the release point being the point from which to count ball revolutions is out of debate. A full revolution is measure precisely by it. The speed of the ball and the amount of revolutions it makes around the bowl is directly proportional to the strength applied by the dealer. Some dealers do throw consistently, and make those elements more predictable, which assist in getting the Visual prediction right. Some might say knowing the dealer and its regular applied force is very important since it is directly related to the time to lay bets after release.

If you are playing the physical game, there are no doubts you must be tracking those dealers.

On the other hand, statistical players are doing good by ignoring the dealer, since it doesn't matter for the statistical game, only the actual distribution of the numerical sample does. It could be a trained monkey dealing and it couldn't matter the less.



Bottom line is there are no absolute truths in roulette.

If you ask a sample of players, you will get those who swear by the martingale!

Kind regards and do keep the healthy debate.

Victor

[flukey luke]

It could be a trained monkey dealing and it couldn't matter the less.


Victor

Coming soon to a casino near you! 

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