Hi to all,
I have been reading and following the forum for sometime now. Apprreciate all the contributions by members.
Would like to share my bet selection method and get some feed back how we can improve and thus benefit all members.
I have collected lots of live spin results both from table games and rapid games that use individual monitors only. The later games set to 25 sec for each spin (clockwise than anticlockwise and so on).
Please observe carefully that the next 8 nos plus its 8 neighbors, total 16 nos will come from the last spin no. It can also come from the opposite no. to the last spin no. I am talking about the european wheel here only.
Eg The last spin no. is 1 regardless of clockwise or anticlockwise direction of that last spin. The next spin no will come from the 16 nos chosen.
Last spin, no. 1 You bet on 4 5 9 10 13 14 15 16 20 21 23 24 31 32 33 34
Last spin, no. 2 You bet on 3 4 6 7 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 25 26 34 35
Last spin, no 3 You bet on 0 6 7 11 12 15 16 26 27 28 29 32 33 34 35 36
Last spin, no. 4 You bet on 0 2 3 14 15 16 17 18 19 21 22 25 26 31 32 36
Last spin , no 5 You bet on 1 2 7 8 9 10 16 17 22 23 24 25 29 30 33 34
I will email to you the complete list if anyone is interested. Please check this method out and comment pls. Thanks.
Note. I mentioned opposite to the last spin no. Looking at the wheel layout 1 is opposite of 21, 2 is opposite of 20 and so on.The 16 nos will come from that opposite nos.
Maybe its good to mention where the spins come from.
Probably it will only work at the same table/casino and not for others
I have checked the master list against other spin results from so many casinos live and internet and the strike rate is 70 to 80% spot on. I am still trying to post the complete list here. Otherwise email me and I will send to you. Need more guys to check this out and comments please.
sent you PM. isn't it weird? Look at the attachment
Auskaki, you can attach a text or pic file. thanks.
Sorry folks if Auskaki's messages will come here only tomorrow...i gotta go now and they need to be approved before he posts 5 first messages here.
Thanks iggiv for your comments, much appreciate your input. Pls explain the chart you hv attached when you get the chance.
As said earlier, I will share the complete list for all to check against your spin results. Pls make comments etc.
My question is when to buy the last spin no. as against the opposite no. to it. E.g last spin no. was 12 and her opposite cousin is 30. Amazing the next spin no. will be from the 16 nos of 12 or 30 most of the time.
Happy new year 2014 to all!!!!!
Auskaki, it's simple. Intuitive. Shows your bankroll number growing or falling down on vertical axe and number of spins on horizontal. That's RX, great program to test your strategies. you can buy it online for 30 bucks. It's worth it.
I would love to test it--twocatsam@cox.net--but I'm unclear on whether you use the last number or the opposite of the last number. For instance, zero came. Do you use zero or look across and use 5 or 10?
Sam
If the last spin is 0, I would chose the 8 nos on the opposite site of the wheel (including 5 and 10 you mentioned) and their neighbours that makes up to 16 nos. in total. Otherwise no bets at all on last spin 0. There is no magic formula here when I work out the 16 nos. On closer look at the wheel layout and my list, you will understand why I pick those magic nos. Good to test it against your own data and lets share ideas how to choose the last no. or its opposite cousin to bet on, only the 16 nos.
Play straight 16 nos bet to win 20 chips or 8 split nos. to win 10 chips each spin.
I will share my own data collected so far. I only visit Crown casino once a week btw.
Legend for the file Rapid110xlx.
R1 to R74 etc is the actual rapid roulette spins results per session. Datas collected over many visits.
X means there is a break between the last spin and current spin result. Reason being going to the restroom, cafeteria etc.
AB is the Doz and Column bet. e.g 15 will be BC as B is in the 2nd Doz and C is in the 3rd Column. 32 will be CB as C is in the 3rd Doz and also in the 2nd Column. This topic is in any post I believe. Some only want to bet on Doz/Column.
Rapid roulette is only 0 wheel and every 25 sec. per spin, wheel going clockwise and then anticlockwise alternately.
Gday.
Hi Chris555p,
I hv attached the file you hv requested on this post. Pls download with my complimnents.
Gday.
that's it, u r cleared to post now. thanx a lot.
Thanks for the passport, iggiv
no problem. thank u for your ideas
Quote from: Auskaki on Dec 30, 08:11 PM 2013
If the last spin is 0, I would chose the 8 nos on the opposite site of the wheel (including 5 and 10 you mentioned) and their neighbours that makes up to 16 nos. in total. Otherwise no bets at all on last spin 0. There is no magic formula here when I work out the 16 nos. On closer look at the wheel layout and my list, you will understand why I pick those magic nos. Good to test it against your own data and lets share ideas how to choose the last no. or its opposite cousin to bet on, only the 16 nos.
Play straight 16 nos bet to win 20 chips or 8 split nos. to win 10 chips each spin.
How long you play the numbers of 16 when the bet is made?
Hi Warrior,
Bet using the last spin number each time. The actual no. or its opposite cousin. E.g 10 was the last spin number you choose the 16 nos in box 10 or opposite cousin box 26. Use a different set of 16 nos. each time. Unless there is a repeat no. to the last one.
Refer to the attached file please. Print and paste it on a cardboard that can easily fit your palm, pocket. Have fun and see the correct. 9 nos. per card would be nice. I have left out the 0 here on purpose as there is no direct opposite no. to it. Unless you want to use the 10 and 5 combo which gives us 33 16 24 5 10 23 8 30 34 17 25 6 9 22 7 29. Give it a go and tell us how you are travelling.
Hello . . .
Welcome to the forum and thanks for posting you method.
Please find enclosed a Tracker.
Simply insert the number spun in Column A (Yellow Column)and the Tracker will show you what numbers to bet and how much on each one. There is a built in progression if you care to use it.
If you care to test this with RNG spins, then simply copy Column ET (the RNG spins) to Column A and then just press Function Key F9 for each set of new spins.
For those of you with our ExcelBot, we have enclosed a Bot Version so your bot can test this for you.
Hope this helps with your testing.
Cheers . . .
Nick
Hi Nick,
Download both files already, but MSExcel unable to open. What should I do now?
I am not very keen on RNG games, sorry.
The Tracker was coded in Excel 2007 so it should work on that version and newer ones.
What version of Excel do you have?
Thanks
Nick
Hi Nick,
Sorry mine is 2003 ver. in my desktop pc. Will use my Windows 7 notebook to open the files, shouldnt be a problem now. Thanks.
Guys,
Check this out. I use the attached file with reference to the master list. The results will astonish you. Like I said before test this out with your own or download files of past spin results and make your own conclussion. Only use 0 wheels and no RNG on this test exercise.
Attached file is 210409Table3Spins.
Total spins = 390
Win on Last spin no. = 190
Win on Opp of last spin no. = 84
No win on both = 116
70.25% win on 390 spins.
Total bet on 390 spins x 16 units = 6240 units .
Total cost using Masterlist (274 spins x 16units) = 4384 units.
Total loss (115 x 16) = 1840 units
Summary.
Bet on 16 nos. on each spin, you win 20 units i.e 35 to 1 payout.
Total win on 190 spins x 20 = 3800 units.
Total loss on 115 spins x 16 = 1840 units.
Net profit = 3800 - 1840 = 1960 units.
Each rapid pin average 25 sec per spin.
390 spin = 390 x 25 sec = 9750 sec.
Not bad to win 1960 units in 2.7 hrs play time.
G'day.
What casino do you use?
Tested with a group op DB spins.. all go down very quickly...
i test also
down so quick
I use the attached file download from the forum previously. No idea where the data is from. Sorry. But use your own data to check.
All my other datas as mentioned earlier, are from Crown Melbourne, Resort World in Malaysia, Spore Cruise ship, Marina Bay Spore .
I have revise the masterlist into Winlist to combine the last spin # and its opposite #. Some nos do repeat, so there wont be 32 nos. Print it out and take it with you to your local casinos or online. Have fun guys and winnnnnnnn....
Gday.
Will be back soon guys.
Ausaki
You mention last spin number or opposite to last spin number.
190 wins was with last spin number.
if you only play that then you only won 190 spins using 16 numbers.
if you played opposite you only won 84 spins using 16 numbers.
but if you combined both for a total of 274 wins ... you no longer made bets on 16 numbers. You made bets on more than that.
So mayby you might want to review your calculations.
Buffster
Auskaki
Also, forgot to mention, in your summary you don't calculate the 84 spins on other side ...
Just sayin...
Buffster
Auskaki - you mention rapid. Does that mean Rapid Roulette ? I play that dealer spun interactive screen game here in Sydney.
The spin cycles here are very close to 1 per minute = 60 spins per hour. To have a 25 second spin cycle would surely mean having only a 10 second +/- bet window ?
Hardley time to get 16 inside bets down ? What NON RNG game that you play has 25 second spin cycles ?
Rapid Roulette (RR) here has a 40 second bet window + 20 seconds for the dealer spin & win processing/reset. I think that the RR bet play program is preset & gives the same bet cycles whatever Casino it is in ?
My calc. on 390 spins for RR is 390 x 1min = 390min = 6 1/2 hours.
Even airball/slingshot games & RNG games have about a 40 second spin cycle. To compare we calc. 390 x 40 = 15,600 divide by 3600 (60 x 60 for hours) = 4h 20min.
I don't follow some of the figures in your calculations either. Like "no win on both 116" ? adding both = 190 +84 = 274. 390 - 274 = 116 = total losses ?
Total losses "115 x 16 = 1,840" vs 116 x 16 = 1,856 ?
For things to work for real play everything must "ADD UP". On what's been so far presented it falls rather short ?
Buffster - Auskaki calcs. the combined spins there = 190 + 84 = 274. Yes he misses the 84 in his summary & therefore short changes himself by 84 x 20 = 1,680 units.
I calc. it as total wins 274 x 20 = 5,480 - 1,856 (total losses @116 x 16 =1,856) = NET PROFIT 3,624.
Ausguy
To win 274 spins he has to play both sides at the same time which equals playing more than 16 numbers.
So the calculations change enormously.
You will not be making 20 units per win ... much less.
I can tell that he will probably play between 24 and 30 numbers per spin.
Let's say 24 per spin (lowest) ... the profit just went down to 504.
At 25 even less...26 even less and so on.
Buffster
Buffster - Just checked back to the start of the posts. My read on what Auskaki bets on is either 16 bets on the same side of the wheel, neighbours etc. or the same thing but centred on the number directly opposite to the last spin. Whatever side he bets on he never bets both sides simultaneously, always only 16 numbers.
I don't know how/when/why he decides to bet on the same side or opposite ? It may be in his detail there somewhere as I just quickly scanned the posts so it's easy to not pick up things doing that.
His stated 274 winning spins equaled 190 spins from the same side & 84 wins from the opposite side. The 190/84 results to me indicates a large mismatch of outcomes ? What he doesn't reveal is what the loss share of the 116 spins was for the same side & the opposite sides ?
My experience is that within 390 spins the number distibution around the wheel would be reasonably even. So in sync. with that you would expect the same & opposite results would be 50/50 give or take a few % ? The 190/84 win % calcs. to around 69% & 31% repectively.
Independent tests would reveal the true story. Iggivs play graph explores a lot of negative territory.
I did a manual cal on my winlist and you guys are right. To solve the tricky part of betting on both side of the equation in order to achive the 274 wins, yes we will have to play more than 16 nos. actually.
Nos 1 and 21 combo the actual nos to bet is 24 to win 12 units.
Nos 2 and 20 combo the actual nos to bet is 28 to win 8 units
Nos 3 and 23 combo the acutal nos to bet is 24 to win 12 units
Nos 4 and 33 combo the actual nos to bet is 24 to win 12 units.
Nos 5 and 32 combo the actual nos to bet is 26 to win 10 units.
Nos 6 and 22 combo the actual nos to bet is 27 to win 9 units.
Nos 7 and 36 combo the actual nos to bet is 26 to win 10 units.
Nos 8 and 35 combo the actual nos to bet is 26 to win 10 units.
Nos 9 and 34 combo the actual nos to bet is 25 to win 11 units.
Nos 10 and 26 combo the actual nos to bet is 28 to win 8 units.
Nos 11 and 28 combo the actual nos to bet is 25 to win 11 units.
Nos 12 and 30 combo the actual nos to bet is 26 to win 10 units.
Nos 13 and 29 combo the actual nos to bet is 25 to win 11 units.
Nos 14 and 25 combo the actual nos to bet is 26 to win 10 units.
Nos 15 and 24 combo the actual nos to bet is 25 to win 11 units.
Nos 16 and 19 combo the actual nos to bet is 23 to win 13 units.
Nos 17 and 31 combo the actual nos to bet is 27 to win 9 units.
Nos 18 and 27 combo the actual nos to bet is 26 to win 10 units
Actual nos to bet from 23 to 28 each spin. Win payout is 8 to 13 units.
The question now is how to achieve the maximum advantage of winning, as against random bet on individual nos. You see that many times on table games, and how punters bet on almost the 36 nos. randomly.
Thanks for your sharing your thoughts.
Ausguy,
Gday fellow aussie, my guess.
Crown casino has the RNG and Rapid Roulette games. I have also collected lots of data from table games too.
The rapid games on average is 25 sec per game. To play 23 to 28 nos, one has to be very quick to place bets. Having said that I prefer rapid games as it has the lowest bet of AU $1. Minimum bet is $10 per session. Imagine, having playing on table games, and the lowest value per chip is $5 x 23 nos. Thats alot of capital involved.
I am a "social gambler"if there is such a word.
Cheers.
Auskaki - In my book there's no such thing a a "Social Gambler". For me there's only 3 types of Gambling outcomes. - LOSERS, WINNERS & BREAK EVENERS.
The only "X" factor is how little or big each gamblers bets, wins or losses are ?
By far the LOSERS are the biggest group, that's why many casinos make $ Billions in profits every year. That's easy to tell when you observe all those chips being "shovelled" down the chip shute after every spin. As for the other 2 that's anyones guess ?
Also also keep in mind that poker/slot machines give the casino 80 % of it's income (Casino gambling media). The other 20% is spread around amongst all the other games incl. cards, RNG roulette, autowheel, baccarat, roulette, dice/craps, number wheel & whatever else they have. So any one of these game types is not huge in % income terms, they all add up to maximise income, just like spokes in a wheel.
Not hard to guess I'm in OZ Auskaki - Sydney in fact, as mentioned in many of my posts.
Well the 25 sec Rapid Roulette (RR) certainly does have a narrow bet window. The Star here in Sydney, like many other casinos, has much wider RR windows to plck up those players who place large arrays of inside bets. The 25 sec spin rate = 12 spins @ Crown VS 5 Spins @ The Star. The minimum inside bet is $1 & the min. total bet is $5 (I think ?), I don't play the inside numbers apart from sometimes zero insurance bets.
With any winning strike rate, the Crown RR offers far higher win rates per hour potential & would be a good play for outside bets too where only 1 or 2 bets are placed per spin. Is this 25 sec RR rate constant or does it change with off peak play VS peak time play ? I ask that as I had a PM from a Crown player/forum member & he said the table values change depending on player flows. IE @ quiet times lower limits & busier times higher limits.
As to your previous bet calcs. the other day, then they are NULL & VOID in view of the fact that you now reveal you sometimes bet on more than 16 numbers.
A calc. on your last 18 combos reveals an average of 25.44 placed bets to win 10.39 units.
Buffster - Well assessed on the more than 16 numbers bet. As should be obvious, I could only go off what Auskaki revealed that he only bet on 16 numbers per spin ?
Thanks Ausguy,
I am just a small punter and lots to learn about the game. Have read many of the post and indeed there many ways to enjoy and hopefully to win.
From the start I did mentioned that 16 nos bet is most ideal. Most times the 16 nos. are from the last spin result.
And the nos. I share are from my research on nos. that frequently follow the last spin no. where the wheel is turning clockwise or anticlockwise. I only concentrate on 0 wheels.
How and when to bet on the last spin no.?
Our aim is minimum outlay for maximum profit. Always leave the casino a winner regardless of how much?
Thanks guys for your invaluable input, much appreciate. Feel free to use the chart to your own advantage.
Visited the Crown casino Melbourne yesterday. Bet on the 16 nos. from the list, only on Rapid Roulette. There is a 25 sec time limit to place bets before the dealer spins the ball. I prefer this RR as the lowest bet unit is $1 and then $10 bet minimum each game. Played for nearly an hour and walked out with $125 in my pockets. Never stay too long or greedy. Every time I lost, I will wait for the winning streak to start agian, very often between 2 to 4 spins. Of course there are times losing streaks do go beyond that. The beauty of this is, so can the winning streaks.
Trust you did win too, whether at your favourite casinos or live internet sites.
Still working on the best 16 nos. to use and will share later.
Gday to all.
Looks all good Auskaki. The $125 in your pocket heading out of Crown but how much was in the "SKY ROCKET" going in ?
Hi Ausguy,
Didnt get what you mean by Skyrocket going in?.
Said before I am just a once a week roulette player. My capital investment is always $200 stop limit. very often I will walk out the casino with even a $50 profit and I feel good. Anything more is a bonus for this old man heheheh. My bet strategy is using the Doz and Column wager. Ocassionally betting on the last spin no. when the going shows a streak. But only on split nos. to cut cost on table games, where the min. is $5 chip.
Walking away with a profit of $125 is "what a feeling" you know.
Good luck to all.
Auskaki - Skyrocket is Aussie rhyming slang lingo (language) for pocket. Other gems are Nellie bly = meat pie, dead horse = tomato sauce, cheese & kisses = the missus = wife.
There's heaps more & a site on google that has hundreds of Aussie sayings - well worth a browse for a laugh or two.
Rhyming slang has it's origins going back to the London UK area of Cockneys who used it way way back. One of my favourite Cockney sayings is Pork pie = Lie, also often shortened to Porkies. Sometimes seen in UK police shows where the cops are questioning a criminal who seems to be not telling the truth & the cop will say " me thinks your telling me a load of porkies ol' son".
Some of these c***neys came to Australia & so the Aussie lingo versions were born & have grown to what we have today.
What I was getting at Auskaki with the "skyrocket thing" was responding to you saying that after about an hour you walked out of the casino with $125 in your pocket. What you really may have had in your pocket was $325 ? = $200 BR + $125 win profit. It was just another way of asking what you're profit was.
I thought you said you bet on 16 numbers Auskaki ? You last post is saying doz/col ? Now this is only a joke but are you telling "PORKIES" to the forum Auskaki ?
Watch out with that "What a feeling thing" as Toyota might jump on you ? Actually the fully quote is "Oh! what a feeling" ;D
Thanks mate for your input on Oz slang.
May I ask what is your favourite bet strategy on roulette?
C'mon guys please share yours too. Keep the forum alive.
Attached file for those doing research and comparison. I have done the Doz/Col bet input for each spin. First letter is the Doz and the next letter for Columns. Nos with a circle around it denotes the wheel spining in the clockwise direction. All the datas are from actual live table games, mainly from Crown casino and others. Have fun with it.
G'day
got up gave the trouble & strife a hit & miss, with the whistle & flute on, down the frog& toad, in the cream cookie, had a few jumbo jets,out the bobby moore, monkey in the old sky rocket,
Just one point on the 25 second spin cycles that Auskaki mentions, he eventially revealed that the bet window was 25 seconds. So add in the spin time & the dealer reset time say + 10 seconds the spin cycle would then = 35 seconds. This changes a 144 per hour spin rate to around 102 per/hr. Still a significant increase over the 60 +/- p/hr spins at the Sydney Rapid Roulette game. I notice Auskaki has been MIA for about 2 months ?
"in the cream cookie" ? I'm afraid that one sails over my fat head ?
Hi Ausguy,
I am still very alive and active in the roulette arena. Currently working out the datas, both "direction" spins and picking the 20 fav hot nos. Will report back asap. G'luck to all and may the "horse luck" be with you.
G'day.
in the bookies,playing rng
Hammer - Nobody can do that in OZ as our bet shops mostly only cater for track racing & sports betting. The only RNG I've seen is a video horse race bet game.
Auskaki is of Asian background & his reference to horse luck I think links to 2014 being the Year Of The Horse ?
Spot on. This is the Horse year, and very good for gamblers of all codes.
Avoid RNG type games at all cost.
Cheers!!!!!
Thanks for share it. My spouse and i want to check it--twocatsam@cox. net--but I am ambiguous about no matter if you make use of the final number or the alternative from the previous number. For instance, no emerged. Do you work with no or search around along with work with 5 or 10?
Hi Raju,
There are many ways to play the game. Every one has their own story to share. Many ideas are shared and debated on here in the forum.You decide which is best for you and your wallet. Always play with only what you can afford to lose. G'luck!!!
hi Auskaki
You're closer to something than u'll ever know. Did that long long time ago n progressed from there .....the 20 tables MonteCarlo tables is where unker operates. BTW "Ma Dao Gong Cheng Bu Bu Gao Sheng" - post3
Hello,
Name's Rich
I have been a lurker for a few months and this thread made me decide to join.
Please explain further? you bet these numbers in cycles of 5. Bet $1 on each of the 16 numbers then next spin move to bet 2?
Thanks
edit: i see you posted an excel spreadsheet, i am guessing it is a guide to tell you what numbers to bet if that particular number hits...thanks for the method
Stupid question. On the master list whatever the prior number hit was you then bet on the 16 numbers next to that number on the excel spreadsheet right?
Also id love to hear success stories. I can try this on rapid roulette at resorts world in NY by my house.
Hi Guys
What should we be using Master list or Win List? Please exp-lane. Thanks
Hi to all,
Been awhile, and glad to see some response to this post.
Have not given up on the game actually.
The master list is for you to print out, pocket size version. Take it along as you visit your fav joint. Observe and play the nos. given. Patience is neccessary. Often the nos will keep following, otherwise just stop betting and wait for the next opp to come along. Yes you do need sufficient $$$, the returns will justify the investment put in. Good luck.
Ni Hao Luckyfella.
Year of the horse good for robbing the casinos..... :wink:
Hi Auskaki.
This is the way I am playing with Master List on Smart-live Casino Air Ball 10cent bets. Can you tell me if this is the way to go
LWLWWWWLWLWLWWLWWWLWWLL 2 losses and I play for the next virtual win so; Virtual Loss VW LL VW W LL VL VL VL VW W L L VW L L VL VW W Stop on a win now as not hitting regular Progression 1 2 3 5 9 17 31 55 100 units x16 A few scary moments but gets there in the end
how is it working for you guys?
Sturrock,
You are on the right track. Just be patient and when the nos. start hitting as per the master list, keep on betting the given nos. stop when you have negative results. I recommend playing with 8 chips on split nos, or if your BR can afford bet all 16 nos single bets.
Remember there are lots of ways to play the game. As long as you are having fun, winning $$$, all the best to you. Always leave with $$$ in the pocket and return to play next time.
Gday.