Physics is the only way to win long term and even then like Steve has said many times the conditions have to be right .
So all the systems don’t work .
Quote from: Winner on Dec 05, 01:22 PM 2018
Physics is the only way to win long term and even then like Steve has said many times the conditions have to be right .
So all the systems don’t work .
roulette has a prebuilt edge for the house. that means there is no way to come ahead in the long term.
physics's law of motion can tell you where the ball is gonna leave the rim, although the bounce of the ball is chaotic and unpredictable!
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 05, 02:54 PM 2018
I do not agree that physics is the only way, it shows that physics is the only way and I will show that it is not the only way, nor the best ... :lol: :thumbsup:
Alright! You will!
Will you explain also?
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 05, 02:54 PM 2018
I do not agree that physics is the only way, it shows that physics is the only way and I will show that it is not the only way, nor the best ... :lol: :thumbsup:
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Doubt it sorry
Ball bounce is not so unpredictable. Almost always its predictable enough.
Physics may be the only way, because its the study of the physical variables. Its like saying science works.
But it may not be the only approach that works. The problem with roulette is odds vs payout. Who knows maybe precog, or fractals. Its still increasing accuracy of predictions. Progression makes no difference.
Passion, ive seen nothing from you that would indicate youve increased accuracy of predictions. But id like to be proven wrong really.
Passion, I've seen lots from you. But it has all been nonsense. Most recently just talk about you having the HG, quoting theories that are incorrect, and you not understanding.
If you actually had been reading what I write for years, the only way you'd be unaware of proof I publish is if you're not particularly bright.
Im not trying to offend you passion. I'm not trying to be nice either. It is just is how it is.
There’s a lot of guys here that test system and they all proved over the years that payout /table limits will alwys be the issue.
Quote from: Winner on Dec 06, 09:03 AM 2018
There’s a lot of guys here that test system and they all proved over the years that payout /table limits will always be the issue. Systems will lose but you can always make lunch money .
I sense bitterness filtering through your words. What happened?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 06, 10:59 AM 2018
I sense bitterness filtering through your words. What happened?
No bitterness far from from it I’m a realist. Trust me over ten years playing for lunch money it works haven’t lost yet
Here I’ll prove it but I won’t get into how I play my way is no one else’s way .give me 36 numbers and I’ll make my lunch that is guaranteed.
How can you prove it without saying how you play??
Quote from: daveylibra on Dec 06, 12:00 PM 2018
How can you prove it without saying how you play??
It’s an outside bet nothing complicated.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 06, 12:39 PM 2018
A small test where only physics can achieve ... :lol:
In case some of you have not caught it, it's dyksexlic 100%, although it's with progression, I'm trying to make it totally flat, but it's complicated ...
I know that for many this will not be anything, I just wanted to contribute some graphics so that it looks like it behaves, soon I will look for someone to rx for code and execute 2m balls.
only a small contribution to make it look like I wanted to say dyksexlic with 1 / n sinx = 6, it seems that every 6 balls of average usually have reward ... >:D
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/06/sourcee2005.jpg) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/FpX5f)
I heard of this dyslexia guy years ago his system bet for repeats .i don’t remember anything else
Quote from: Winner on Dec 06, 12:50 PM 2018AI heard of this dyslexia guy years ago his system bet for repeats .i don’t remember anything else
i saved over than 3 millions real spins in one container and i ran complex analytics on repeaters.
Result: hit rate obtained was exactly equivalent to the hit rate of non repeaters.
Conclusion> repeaters lose over the long run
Passionruletta = Mister Graph
Passion why bother testing over so few spins?
Roulette is unbeatable.
"unbeatable" ? We will see, i'm working on it but Rx fail to follow me... :twisted: :twisted:
Almost half million spins done!
Mmmmhhh....
Secret or not, Normy?
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 06, 04:36 PM 2018The holy grail, has to be flat or the holy grail is something that continuously wins 2m of balls?
You can use progression, but you need to bet on 2m spins. And I dont mean 1,999,999 spins with $1, then 1 spin with a $100,000,000 bet. Normal betting limits apply.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 06, 04:36 PM 2018Would you be willing to come to Barcelona to show me with confidence your interest and seriousness in this matter of the 100K?
Uh, no. Moving $100k out of investments into escrow isnt proof enough I'm serious? And are you going to deposit the $1000 so I dont lose money from lost revenue if you just waste my time?
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 06, 04:36 PM 2018It is very easy to offer 100K, but then whoever assures me that you will really have your words, would only negotiate face to face ..
Passion, based on the nonsense you've said previously i dont take you seriously. But the offer is what it is, and is designed to protect both sides. Take or leave it.
May I ask who the escrow agent is?
That can be decided between both parties. They would need to be willing and able to verify the results and disburse payment.
I smell a Gypsy scam. ::)
Are you referring to my offer or something else?
Quote from: Steve on Dec 06, 11:17 PM 2018
Are you referring to my offer or something else?
I'm referring to Passion's game of secret squirrel.
It reminds me of Turbo. The "hint" game, likely waiting for people to offer the money via PM or email.
It doesnt take long to know if someone should be taken seriously. I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 06, 04:36 PM 2018how can I trust people?
I still doubt doing it
If the bird has flown away you
never can
catch it again. ;)
Mister Graph claims he has the HG, I must admit his graph is sexy but his claim is worthless unless he proves it.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 06, 03:16 PM 2018
i saved over than 3 millions real spins in one container and i ran complex analytics on repeaters.
Result: hit rate obtained was exactly equivalent to the hit rate of non repeaters.
Conclusion> repeaters lose over the long run
It's not the hit rate, its how they are played that matters. Passion is correct it's a process.
Quote from: Normy2000 on Dec 06, 06:34 PM 2018
"unbeatable" ? We will see, i'm working on it but Rx fail to follow me... :twisted: :twisted:
Almost half million spins done!
Looks similar to the 0.20 per spin win rate of my Dozens post. Thanks for the code by the way. :)
Quote from: Nimo on Dec 07, 06:49 AM 2018
It's not the hit rate, its how they are played that matters. Passion is correct it's a process.
Nimo
Maybe you and mister graph (passionruletta) have higher IQ than us.
What if do us a favor and explain what’s the hell are you talking about when you say the process that matters and not hitrate?
This logic is fuc**d up because it’s like you say, exam’s score doesn’t matter but the time of the exam !!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 07, 07:02 AM 2018
Nimo
Maybe you and mister graph (passionruletta) have higher IQ than us.
What if do us a favor and explain what’s the hell are you talking about when you say the process that matters and not hitrate?
This logic is fuc**d up because it’s like you say, exam’s score doesn’t matter but the time of the exam !!
If you just play each number that hits flat bet, and stop each time you are in profit, you will actually make a tiny profit over a few hundred spins, before you get to a run where the repeaters aren't enough to cover the house edge any longer. Usually around 50-100 units per 700-1000 spins. Not really worth the time and effort. However if you follow a process of how the numbers and repeats come up, you will get graphs with upward trends consistently.
There are more than one processes, Passion is using Dyslexics, I'm using a different parameter, but results are the same.
Quote from: Nimo on Dec 07, 07:22 AM 2018
If you just play each number that hits flat bet, and stop each time you are in profit, you will actually make a tiny profit over a few hundred spins, before you get to a run where the repeaters aren't enough to cover the house edge any longer. Usually around 50-100 units per 700-1000 spins. Not really worth the time and effort. However if you follow a process of how the numbers and repeats come up, you will get graphs with upward trends consistently.
There are more than one processes, Passion is using Dyslexics, I'm using a different parameter, but results are the same.
Really ?
Come on mate, what you doing is hit and run, wait trigger then hit !
This approach is bad and you can use with whatever bets possible in roulette, you can for example bet last colour, or last dozen, stop for a while and play again ...
In short, what you call process can be summarized in one sentence:
Hit and run, and be patient !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 07, 07:36 AM 2018
Really ?
Come on mate, what you doing is hit and run, wait trigger then hit !
This approach is bad and you can use with whatever bets possible in roulette, you can for example bet last colour, or last dozen, stop for a while and play again ...
In short, what you call process can be summarized in one sentence:
Hit and run, and be patient !
This is not how the process works. I'm showing you what happens. Its not what I do . its a good basis to learn of what needs to be done.
Play for lunch money this long term ,if you ain’t making 100.000 on a weekend give up all forum system.
Quote from: Winner on Dec 07, 07:59 AM 2018
Play for lunch money this long term ,if you ain’t making 100.000 on a weekend give up all forum system.
Many jusT want that, but the game has an awful sociological effect!
You step in for only a lunch in return but you exit with empty pockets so you fast for a couple of days !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 07, 08:24 AM 2018
Many jusT want that, but the game has an awful sociological effect!
You step in for only a lunch in return but you exit with empty pockets so you fast for a couple of days !
Those are the ones that become hypnotized as they walk in . Staying consciencely AWAKE takes practice.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 07, 01:03 PM 2018
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Really?
Come on mate, what you doing is hit and run, wait trigger then hit!
This approach is bad and you can use with whatever possible in roulette, you can for example last color, or last dozen, stop for a while and play again ...
In short, what you call process can be summarized in one sentence:
Hit and run, and be patient!
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You're wrong if you think I use a trigger!
I do not use trigger!
My game is continuous until I'm tired of playing!
But if I can tell you that all those who talk about ballistics, repetition, parachute, etc, do not really know what I mean by the process of play or it seems, if they knew that the process of the game would be dedicated to winning with it, Because it is safe and easy. :lol: O0
Well good luck to you
Quote from: Nimo on Dec 07, 07:22 AM 2018
If you just play each number that hits flat bet, and stop each time you are in profit, you will actually make a tiny profit over a few hundred spins, before you get to a run where the repeaters aren't enough to cover the house edge any longer. Usually around 50-100 units per 700-1000 spins.
Really? Have you tried my basic program in my other thread? I'm convinced it shows that playing each number that hits flatbet (or any other way) does not often reach profit at all.
Davey
This sheet has 3 types of bet, i/we will know the answer in about 50 days time.
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Perhaps all three will be minus :lol:
The 3rd column, flat bet spins 1-10. Does this mean we are only betting on the last 10 numbers?
spins 1-10.
So you see it's the opening 10 spins of the daily televised game from jackpot247.com
Now I understand you! So after 48 runs, flat-bet, we see a 134 profit. That's promising!!
After all, we could choose any table, any time. 10 spins. Results should be the same.
Could this be "variance" (another word for luck) or maybe you are on to something?
We still don't have an RX .dgt that accurately plays the First 10 as Rik does, which could allow us not to have to do batches manually by going through historical spins by hand.
Iggy has done First 10 code previously (thank you!) but his doesn't pause/reset once the repeat is found (meaning if you hit the first repeat at spin 3 of the 10, it doesn't then remove bets and wait out final 7 spins before beginning a "new" First 10 when continuously testing at the same table).
Obviously pausing and "waiting" for a new 10 is fallacy, there's no difference in a wheel spinning with or without that gap in terms of likely results, but for accuracy's sake to exactly match the system's parameters...we don't have it coded.
We also haven't had the +1/Reset at BR positive version of MM coded as well, just flatbetting I believe.
Big Ben, have you ever done the exact system in Excel with the +1/Reset MM, I can't remember... :thumbsup:
Yes.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 07, 03:45 PM 2018
Yes.
That was the prog you displayed for the sample spin sets we provided yes? Good enough for me if it matches, thanks again btw. :thumbsup:
Sergio: According to your posts, you've had Dyksexlic's "loft" figured out for months now.
If what you say is true, why haven't you just taken the wealthiest family member or friend you know to a casino in Barcelona, demonstrated the pigeon hole theory to them, doubled, tripled, or whatever their bankroll as they watched you play it live, and then asked them to invest in development of your commission software idea?
If you're able to perform that demonstration successfully, you would have no problem, no problem whatsoever, getting someone to stake you for whatever funds you're lacking to finish the project quickly.
This is not meant to insult you, it's just a question. If what you have has value, then why can't you demonstrate that value to someone who can help you get where you want to go? :thumbsup:
Quote from: Mako on Dec 07, 03:52 PM 2018
Sergio: According to your posts, you've had Dyksexlic's "loft" figured out for months now.
If what you say is true, why haven't you just taken the wealthiest family member or friend you know to a casino in Barcelona, demonstrated the pigeon hole theory to them, doubled, tripled, or whatever their bankroll as they watched you play it live, and then asked them to invest in development of your commission software idea?
If you're able to perform that demonstration successfully, you would have no problem, no problem whatsoever, getting someone to stake you for whatever funds you're lacking to finish the project quickly.
This is not meant to insult you, it's just a question. If what you have has value, then why can't you demonstrate that value to someone who can help you get where you want to go? :thumbsup:
Well that seems a very good business deal
Will mister graph do it ?
I doubt, probably because he has no good system at all.
Conclusion play high and low make your lunch money . That’s the holy smolly
it’s interesting how people try to explain a system like its a thesis.
now , dont say this boy doesnt have the HG
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=5gE9UCwJpsE
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 08, 12:21 PM 2018
now , dont say this boy doesnt have the HG
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=5gE9UCwJpsE
He doesn't.
Why you think so ?
Richard Marcus savanna now that’s the holy grail
$100,000 on a weekend
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 08, 12:42 PM 2018
Why you think so ?
Because he's playing an RNG game and not a real wheel. It's just a scam.
So according to you, HG exist only for real wheels !
Unfortunately that’s wrong, a clever person who can crack the RNG and beat the game, is definitely possessing the HG.. no doubt about that !
Conclusion these debates have been going on for years.time to move on .rng vs real so old
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 08, 12:21 PM 2018
now , dont say this boy doesnt have the HG
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=5gE9UCwJpsE
Looks like basic dealer signature and sector bets to me. Its legitimate AP but theres so much more to just considering pockets between spins.
Some AP is even simpler than the usual system nonsense.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 10, 04:18 AM 2018
Looks like basic dealer signature and sector bets to me. Its legitimate AP but theres so much more to just considering pockets between spins.
Some AP is even simpler than the usual system nonsense.
whattttt?
are you serious? he was playing automated wheel, there is no dealer!
i guess he was able to decode the RNG.
This forum is death..
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 10, 04:25 AM 2018whattttt?
are you serious? he was playing automated wheel, there is no dealer!
The dealer is a bot. A computer algorithm. The physics are the same.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 10, 04:25 AM 2018i guess he was able to decode the RNG.
There is no RNG in it. It's a real physical wheel, and his bets are sectors. Typical sign of AP.
The RRS on the slingshots are not what they are advertised to be. It basically halves edge but its still an edge usually, albeit comparatively small. Other wheels are better.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 10, 05:49 AM 2018
The dealer is a bot. A computer algorithm. The physics are the same.
There is no RNG in it. It's a real physical wheel, and his bets are sectors. Typical sign of AP.
The RRS on the slingshots are not what they are advertised to be. It basically halves edge but its still an edge usually, albeit comparatively small. Other wheels are better.
what do you think about these wheels? arent they easier to beat than real ones?
these wheels are supposed to follow a pattern because they are automated, while the real ones are harder maybe because its hard to catch a pattern that has been created by a human? in other words, machine create patterns while humans tend to be more random..
Slingshot spins are very long so there's a lot of room for error. Generally I wouldnt bother with normal AP on them. With computers, depending on the wheel setting, the edge can be 0 - 10%, which is a long way from the 30%+ with other wheels. So generally we avoid them. Why bother with more difficult wheels? Only if we can be very covert about it, then even 5% edge is good.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 10, 07:04 AM 2018
Slingshot spins are very long so there's a lot of room for error. Generally I wouldnt bother with normal AP on them. With computers, depending on the wheel setting, the edge can be 0 - 10%, which is a long way from the 30%+ with other wheels. So generally we avoid them. Why bother with more difficult wheels? Only if we can be very covert about it, then even 5% edge is good.
so you say that automated wheels are harder than real wheels with dealer?
Not always. Sometimes they're even easier. But generally they're more difficult. It depends on the design and settings.
Once the alfastreets were really easy to beat, but that eventually changed now they're one of the most difficult. mostly because rotor speed is often crazy fast.
There are various additional testing procedures for auto wheels to see what countermeasures they're applying etc to see whats possible or not.
Well, Lets see an example how the casino has an advantage against the average player, imagine if I offer you to to bet over coin flip, but the coin is slightly heavier in the side I play with. So I will win more often than you. Will you agree to play this game with me? If not then you should not agree to play roulette in the casino without protection
Nobody is beating the sling shot wheel unless they're exploiting one that has one or more clogged air jets at the pockets. The random firing air jets at the pocket end divert the ball at the pocket to randomize the scatter. The air jet has to be blocked or misfiring in order to beat it.
I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Maybe there are variations but at least the online ones have quite a consistent ball deceleration rate, provided the wheel is in good condition which they usually are.
Just looking at raw timings, without even precise timings, here's deviation for 5 spins:
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The timings start about 23 seconds before the ball falls (far left of chart). It's about 600ms deviation which is small especially for timings starting with 23 seconds left in the spin. Of course this is when the compressors are off, but there is still lots of time to bet.
The RRS isn't what it's supposed to be either, but let's not discuss that here. I think it's more a matter of the wheel settings.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 10, 07:45 PM 2018
Just looking at raw timings, without even precise timings, here's deviation for 5 spins:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/12/10/source.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/FHZYc)
The timings start about 23 seconds before the ball falls (far left of chart). It's about 600ms deviation which is small especially for timings starting with 23 seconds left in the spin. Of course this is when the compressors are off, but there is still lots of time to bet.
The RRS isn't what it's supposed to be either, but let's not discuss that here. I think it's more a matter of the wheel settings.
Steve,
It's not the ball lap times that's the problem. That part is quite simple. It's not even the RRS. It's the final scatter caused by the air blasts coming from the pockets at the end of the spin on the models that I've looked at. Those air blasts are the reason that so few people trust that game.
Perhaps we're looking at two different versions/generations of the same wheel.
I measure scatter from the number under a reference diamond, when the ball is at it for the last time in the spin.... TO the winning number.
I haven't noticed any anomalies. I'll have another look later. Generally we avoid slingshots and any auto wheels.
Quote from: The General on Dec 10, 10:30 PM 2018
Steve,
It's not the ball lap times that's the problem. That part is quite simple. It's not even the RRS. It's the final scatter caused by the air blasts coming from the pockets at the end of the spin on the models that I've looked at. Those air blasts are the reason that so few people trust that game.
Perhaps we're looking at two different versions/generations of the same wheel.
General,
In your experience, have the air blasts significantly decreased scatter predictability? Out of all the slingshots I've looked at, scatter seems to be quite good even without considering other variables. Here are some pocket distance charts on various wheels :)
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Is airball real roulette?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Dec 12, 08:51 AM 2018
Is airball real roulette?
There is scatter so I’m thinking it is .
I'm thinking it's not because the table limits are much higher than on the real wheels in Asian casinos I have visited.
There is no reason for this I can think of unless it's because they know they can safely fcuk you if needed.
Yes its real. It has a ball and wheel.
They usually have countermeasures. Generally auto wheels are harder to beat, some are easier.
Steve, one of my student came today to me and showed me his way to predict visually ( without computer )where the ball will leave the scatter, I was impressed of his predictions, he had a 8 out 10 correct predictions.
The only issue is when the ball leaves the scatter or the rim, it starts to bounce chaotically and sometimes It jumps too far up to 8 or 10 pockets!
Do you have a tip to workaround this issue ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 03:52 PM 2018one of my student came today to me and showed me his way to predict visually ( without computer )where the ball will leave the scatter
What is - "leave scatter"? If that is ball stop, why then not simply this to write?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 03:52 PM 2018where the ball will leave the scatter
What does this mean? Leave the scatter?
Quote from: Steve on Dec 12, 04:20 PM 2018
What does this mean? Leave the scatter?
I mean he predicted successfully where the ball exits the track
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 04:24 PM 2018I mean he predicted successfully where the ball exits the track
But that is not hard if he will predict something about scattering what you wrote - that is really interesting... but... looks that you do not see the difference in scattering and ball track... :)
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 12, 04:16 PM 2018
What is - "leave scatter"? If that is ball stop, why then not simply this to write?
No that’s not what I meant !
I only wanted to say that he was able to predict the point on which the ball exits the track.
Having said that, you can imagine how advantageous Is his predictions, however the chaotic ball bouncing/jumping was a big issue
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 04:24 PM 2018
I mean he predicted successfully where the ball exits the track
I suspect that you mean that he's predicting what number is below the ball when it strikes the ball deflector on the apron of the wheel at the end of the spin before it strikes the spinning rotor.
QuoteThe only issue is when the ball leaves the scatter or the rim, it starts to bounce chaotically and sometimes It jumps too far up to 8 or 10 pockets!
Do you have a tip to workaround this issue ?
If it's consistently scattering, meaning bouncing eight or ten pockets, then that's fine. It can even consistently bounce 3/4 of the wheel as long as it's rather consistently bouncing that far. What you're looking for is the ability to predict this most common distance of this ball scatter. The best way to really learn the scatter is to collect how far it bounces from your target deflectors over 300 spins scattered
over three separate time periods if possible. (Unless the scatter is blatantly obvious and predictable.)
Ideally you'd like to see at least a five standard deviation spike for your target scatter section. If you don't have that after X number of spins, then keep tracking the scatter until you have it. Once you do that you'll have a much better idea as to how strong your play can be and when you should take breaks based on changes in scatter. Also, different balls will often have slightly different drop profiles.
How early in the spin did he predict?
How dominamt are the diamonds?
In many conditions you can have near 100% accuracy in predicting where the ball will fall from ball track, without a computer, with 90 degrees accuracy.
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 12, 04:33 PM 2018
But that is not hard if he will predict something about scattering what you wrote - that is really interesting... but... looks that you do not see the difference in scattering and ball track... :)
I know what is ball scattering, the student didn’t dig deep into that, he has put efforts into predicting where the ball leaves the track and he was successful, next i need to collect data and plot them on graph to see the scattering and take the optimal focal point, but that is another chapter !
Quote from: The General on Dec 12, 04:36 PM 2018
I suspect that you mean that he's predicting what number is below the ball when it strikes the ball deflector on the apron of the wheel at the end of the spin before it strikes the spinning rotor.
If it's consistently scattering, meaning bouncing eight or ten pockets, then that's fine. It can even consistently bounce 3/4 of the wheel as long as it's rather consistently bouncing that far. What you're looking for is the ability to predict this most common distance of this ball scatter. The best way to really learn the scatter is to collect how far it bounces from your target deflectors over 300 spins scattered over three separate time periods if possible. (Unless the scatter is blatantly obvious and predictable.) Ideally you'd like to see at least a five standard deviation spike for your target scatter section. If you don't have that after X number of spins, then keep tracking the scatter until you have it. Once you do that you'll have a much better idea as to how strong your play can be and when you should take breaks based on changes in scatter. Also, different balls will often have slightly different drop profiles.
General
Follow me again if you didn’t digest what I mentioned !
The student was able to predict where the ball has left the track !
In 10 trails he had 8 correct predictions.
Now all what happened after the ball left the track looked like chaotic !
The ball jumping was everytime different, the only one thing that it has attracted my attention was, the jumping of the ball was Proportional to the rotor speed, in other words, soft to mild rotation speed resulted in ball land in between 4 to 8 pockets, while strong rotation resulted in ball landing between 8 to 12 pockets.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 12, 04:43 PM 2018
How early in the spin did he predict?
How dominamt are the diamonds?
In many conditions you can have near 100% accuracy in predicting where the ball will fall from ball track, without a computer, with 90 degrees accuracy.
Well, the predictions took place after 5 seconds from ball spinning.
I didn’t gather info about dominant diamonds but i was impressed of his strong visual prediction!
Although Ball bouncing is the second complexity in the 1k miles’s journey!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 05:01 PM 2018I didn’t gather info about dominant diamonds but i was impressed of his strong visual prediction!
This would be the first thing I'd look at. If the ball hits 1 or 2 particular diamonds most of the time, then you could easily be 80% accurate with predicting where the balls from the ball track - even predicting before the ball was released.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 04:57 PM 2018
General
Follow me again if you didn’t digest what I mentioned !
The student was able to predict where the ball has left the track !
In 10 trails he had 8 correct predictions.
That's relatively easy to do on most models of wheels.
Welcome to the world of AP play.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 12, 05:11 PM 2018
This would be the first thing I'd look at. If the ball hits 1 or 2 particular diamonds most of the time, then you could easily be 80% accurate with predicting where the balls from the ball track - even predicting before the ball was released.
That’s not gonna work !
because casino keep an eye on this, if one wheel has a weak diamond then it will be replaced !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 05:27 PM 2018
That’s not gonna work !
because casino keep an eye on this, if one wheel has a weak diamond then it will be replaced !
You forget who you played next to.
Every wheel has a dd to some degree. Some much better than others. LOL! :xd: You give casinos way toO much credit.
Don't be lazy, go out and check them. In some casinos the tables even wobble when people lean on them.
Quote from: The General on Dec 12, 05:24 PM 2018
That's relatively easy to do on most models of wheels.
Welcome to the world of AP play.
General
Don’t underestimate the effects of bouncing on final result !
It can have tremendous effect on your score !
I am not sure but I think there is no device / computer today that can remove or minimize this effect !
You'd think the casino would instantly replace a wheel with dominant diamonds, but they dont. Once the ball track is more worn in one place than another (inevitable), it will develop dominant diamonds and the casino wont be so quick to replace the wheel.
Even if the casino tries to level the wheel, it might reduce dominant diamonds but then the ball wont fall the same way at particular parts around the wheel. I call it asymmetrical scatter - I explained it in more detail in another post.
Basically its almost impossible for a wheel to be completely unpredictable. But most players cant even beat the most predictable wheels, because they're looking at things like repeaters.
Quote from: The General on Dec 12, 05:34 PM 2018
You forget who you played next to.
Every wheel has a dd to some degree. Some much better than others. LOL! :xd: You give casinos way toO much credit.
Don't be lazy, go out and check them. In some casinos the tables even wobble when people lean on them.
:xd:
Yeah ?
I guess because most gamblers like you are obese ! :xd:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 05:37 PM 2018I am not sure but I think there is no device / computer today that can remove or minimize this effect !
If the ball track and ball are in reasonable condition, and ball rolling deviation isnt too bad, then you can minimize scatter by isolating to spins where the ball falls more predictably. For example, betting only when the ball is predicted to hit a specific diamond.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 05:37 PM 2018
General
Don’t underestimate the effects of bouncing on final result !
It can have tremendous effect on your score !
I am not sure but I think there is no device / computer today that can remove or minimize this effect !
Roulettebeater,
If you say so. ::) I've already given you enough information.
Perhaps you should stick to slots instead.
Perhaps the computer would stop the scatter if you placed a heavier computer on top of the wheel instead of a light weight one. :twisted:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 05:39 PM 2018
:xd:
Yeah ?
I guess because most gamblers like you are obese ! :xd:
You're definitely not talking about me. I'm USDA certified lean! :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Dec 12, 05:40 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,
If you say so. ::) I've already given you enough information.
Perhaps you should stick to slots instead.
Perhaps the computer would stop the scatter if you placed a heavier computer on top of the wheel instead of a light weight one. :twisted:
No a computer won’t do it, it needs a strong magnet :xd:
Steve
I would like to come back to your question yesterday whether it’s before spin or during.
But how can these kind of predictions occur before ball launch ?
Do you mean that the player needs to make the caluculus for the spin in progress, and then the result will be considered valid for the next spin?
I think, better you will learn from that your student how he predicts 8 from 10 times right where ball start fall, than to think how somebody does before ball launch :) .
If the ball hits a diamond 80% of the time, do you really need to know the ball speed to guess correctly 80% of the time?
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 13, 04:33 AM 2018
I think, better you will learn from that your student how he predicts 8 from 10 times right where ball start fall, than to think how somebody does before ball launch :) .
Boy,
Didn’t you see what I said ?
Even if you know where the ball starts to fall, you still need to consider the ball jumps!
Quote from: Steve on Dec 13, 04:38 AM 2018
If the ball hits a diamond 80% of the time, do you really need to know the ball speed to guess correctly 80% of the time?
Again? you really need to give up talking about dominant diamond !
Dominant diamond is dead!
It’s as same as you look for a biased wheel, how easy is it ? Almost near impossible!
Rb you wouldnt be checking them properly. Ive never, ever seen a wheel with at least some diamond dominance.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 13, 04:38 AM 2018
If the ball hits a diamond 80% of the time, do you really need to know the ball speed to guess correctly 80% of the time?
And why the ball is expected to hit a dominant diamond 80% of the time ?
This is unrealistic unless you have a defective wheel, or as general has said,
When fat gamblers lean on the table and it starts wobbling !
Rb 80% was a value for an example. You didnt understand my point. And im not going to argue about how many wheels have dominant diamonds, like i wont argue about water being wet.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 13, 05:27 AM 2018
Rb 80% was a value for an example. You didnt understand my point. And im not going to argue about how many wheels have dominant diamonds, like i wont argue about water being wet.
Go ahead, explain why the table can have a dominant diamond ?
What is the reason of this ?
In my opinion this situation can be only caused by a defect in the wheel OR a consistent dealer
Fairies.
Ive explained it before many times. I have less time every day
Quote from: Steve on Dec 13, 05:48 AM 2018
Fairies.
Ive explained it before many times. I have less time every day
Ok never mind.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 13, 05:06 AM 2018Didn’t you see what I said ?
Even if you know where the ball starts to fall, you still need to consider the ball jumps!
What you said I very good remember :)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 12, 03:52 PM 2018where the ball will leave the scatter
And at all, what I need - leave for me, you solve what you need.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 13, 05:33 AM 2018Go ahead, explain why the table can have a dominant diamond ?
What is the reason of this ?
If you not understand reasons, why appear dominant diamonds - roulette is not for you....
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 13, 06:44 AM 2018
What you said I very good remember :)
And at all, what I need - leave for me, you solve what you need.
If you not understand reasons, why appear dominant diamonds - roulette is not for you....
Try to suck it up again!
I am sure you will find out what I said is the truth
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 13, 06:56 AM 2018I am sure you will find out what I said is the truth
All matter if what we do is good and can we win, or not. Last is essential and if we win and enough - all other is not important. Some people win, some only talks that win...
For you leave do decide in which group are you...
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Dec 13, 07:29 AM 2018
All matter if what we do is good and can we win, or not. Last is essential and if we win and enough - all other is not important. Some people win, some only talks that win...
For you leave do decide in which group are you...
This time you earn my respect, I must agree with you on this
Roulettebeater,
You claim that you have a method that beats roulette and that your method calculates wheel speeds in order to accurately make your predictions. And you're trying to sell your method.
Then you make statements that prove that you have absolutely no idea on how to beat the game using such a method.
1. You don't grasp dominant drops and can't imagine how they can possibly exist.
2. You have no comprehension of ball scatter (ball jumps as some call them.)
Consequently I have to ask, what kind of bullshit are you trying to sell?
(link:s://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Y1DXTXyQ9Hg/WVG4D3YOmnI/AAAAAAAACQ8/qPxcGFWcz1keLCI9gRV7y5Il5sZJnA71ACHMYCw/%255BUNSET%255D)
By the way, Bebediktus3 is also a professional player. The real deal.
Quote from: The General on Dec 13, 01:05 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,
You claim that you have a method that beats roulette and that your method calculates wheel speeds in order to accurately make your predictions. And you're trying to sell your method.
Then you make statements that prove that you have absolutely no idea on how to beat the game using such a method.
1. You don't grasp dominant drops and can't imagine how they can possibly exist.
2. You have no comprehension of ball scatter (ball jumps as some call them.)
Consequently I have to ask, what kind of bullshit are you trying to sell?
(link:s://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Y1DXTXyQ9Hg/WVG4D3YOmnI/AAAAAAAACQ8/qPxcGFWcz1keLCI9gRV7y5Il5sZJnA71ACHMYCw/%255BUNSET%255D)
By the way, Bebediktus3 is also a professional player. The real deal.
He might be drunk 🤪
General
You can’t play Mr. Iknowall with me !
I have more than 8 years experience.
You know very well how i play, you saw that !
So listen to the masters of roulette when they speak !
Well you were happy as hell that Turner left RB, so it's time to bust out your real name again since you're so gleeful that the police are officially gone.
Bleater: Whatever you're going on about in the thread isn't adding up to much.
First you wanted free help from Steve and Caleb to dial in your wheel tracking software as it was beginning to lose badly.
Now you're arguing AP methods with people who actually use them and win with them...does this seem as smart of an idea to you as it does to me?
Obviously you're enjoying the Turner-free environment to its fullest Troll potential to amuse yourself, and that's fine. But still, better windmills to tilt at than AP, plenty of "fallacy" threads for you to take a dump on no? :thumbsup:
Quote from: Mako on Dec 13, 02:24 PM 2018
Well you were happy as hell that Turner left RB, so it's time to bust out your real name again since you're so gleeful that the police are officially gone.
Bleater: Whatever you're going on about in the thread isn't adding up to much.
First you wanted free help from Steve and Caleb to dial in your wheel tracking software as it was beginning to lose badly.
Now you're arguing AP methods with people who actually use them and win with them...does this seem as smart of an idea to you as it does to me?
Obviously you're enjoying the Turner-free environment to its fullest Troll potential to amuse yourself, and that's fine. But still, better windmills to tilt at than AP, plenty of "fallacy" threads for you to take a dump on no? :thumbsup:
Mako?
That’s a cow name ?
Mind your business and don’t intervene!
It’s better you stick to slots or red/black stragedies !
Someone like you doesn’t have the capability to work out complex systems ... so my advice to you : if you can’t say something useful, keep your mouth shut !
Quote from: Mako on Dec 13, 02:24 PM 2018
Well you were happy as hell that Turner left RB, so it's time to bust out your real name again since you're so gleeful that the police are officially gone.
Mako,
Yes, I'm glad he's gone. :thumbsup: I felt he was a
very biased mod
and at times a troll. I felt that he provided too much cover for the scammers and the infection of ignorance that they fed on.
Mako
Your trolling can bite you back !
Don’t think you are protected from punishment!
Your trolling can be reported to Steve !
General and I both trust Steve as a fair person !
Turner is Biased, but he is gone now !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 13, 02:41 PM 2018
Mako
Your trolling can bite you back !
Don’t think you are protected from punishment!
Your trolling can be reported to Steve !
General and I both trust Steve as a fair person !
Turner is Biased, but he is gone now !
These days, I feel that
people are too addicted to outrage and are too eager to find something that offends them.
Quote from: The General on Dec 13, 02:36 PM 2018
Mako,
Yes, I'm glad he's gone. I felt he was a very biased mod and at times a troll. I felt that he provided too much cover for the scammers and the infection of ignorance that they fed on.
Well you were on his FBI 10 MOST WANTED list so I'm sure there's too much history to make it seem like a fair fight to you... :twisted:
There's a balance. He may have gone overboard on you, I could see that...but he also controlled the trolls who are bored like Bleater etc, kept them in line.
I'm not sure where the balance needs to be, but right now it's a little too Wild West at the moment? At least we can enjoy bringing the Bleater name back though, so that's a plus. >:D
-MakoTheCow
Quote from: The General on Dec 13, 02:43 PM 2018
These days, I feel that people are too addicted to outrage and are too eager to find something that offends them.
Absolutely!
Quote from: The General on Dec 13, 02:43 PM 2018
These days, I feel that people are too addicted to outrage and are too eager to find something that offends them.
Agree, and it's from both sides of the aisle.
Ken was talking about it on one of his political thoughts as being an affliction of the left, but in reality this bizarre snowflake-syndrome is in equal parts on the left and right in terms of clutching-your-pearls overly dramatic angst.
More a question of age than political leaning perhaps, the younger set is really sensitive to everything it seems regardless of political leanings?
If you piss on a minority OR piss on a military member (examples of left and right being similarly sensitive) you can expect those under 35 to
really get fired up and get out their pitchforks. :xd:
Quote from: Mako on Dec 13, 02:44 PM 2018
Well you were on his FBI 10 MOST WANTED list so I'm sure there's too much history to make it seem like a fair fight to you... :twisted:
There's a balance. He may have gone overboard on you, I could see that...but he also controlled the trolls who are bored like Bleater etc, kept them in line.
I'm not sure where the balance needs to be, but right now it's a little too Wild West at the moment? At least we can enjoy bringing the Bleater name back though, so that's a plus. >:D
-MakoTheCow
Makothecow ?
Being a bleater is much better than being a screwed loser !
I still laugh when I remember when you came up with your red/black stragedy!
Again, if you don’t obey the rules here and stop trolling, you will find yourself
Banned !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 13, 02:50 PM 2018
Makothecow ?
Being a bleater is much better than being a screwed loser !
I still laugh when I remember when you came up with your red/black stragedy!
Again, if you don’t obey the rules here and stop trolling, you will find yourself
Banned !
When is BleaterSoftware v1.0 coming out, I want to place an order! :love:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 13, 02:50 PM 2018
Makothecow ?
Being a bleater is much better than being a screwed loser !
I still laugh when I remember when you came up with your red/black stragedy!
Again, if you don’t obey the rules here and stop trolling, you will find yourself
Banned !
Roulettebeater,
Back on topic. If you're not tracking the 'ball jumps' or the dominant ball drop, then how can you expect your vb program to work?
The fundamentals are missing from your app that you're trying to sell.
QuoteI still laugh when I remember when you came up with your red/black stragedy!
Right now it would appear that any red /black strategy is just as effective as your system. Maybe you shouldn't knock it. ::)
By the way, on occasion I'll play the red or black with a reverse Labby when out with friends for fun.
Actually this thread was going in the right direction, until makothecow came and spoiled it !
Let’s get back to the topic now ...
Bleater is harmless, it's all in good fun. My concern about Turner being gone is more about things like fallacy-busters going into Ignatus' threads and having a go at him on a personal level.
Attacking the fallacy of the core strategy is of course fine...if not encouraged , no harm there of course.
But when they get personal with him it crosses a line.
At the end of the day, no one is winning outside of AP, with possibly a very few exceptions. So to criticize fallacy plays is just an exercise to make other losers feel better about themselves. An an example, Ken is a fallacy player himself. He doesn't admit it, but even if you're betting fewer than 4 numbers, and if you're waiting for a scenrio to occur that relies on previous spin results, without it being based on dealer signature or VB or a wheel defect....you're fallacy player.
It is what it is, and if you're winning, no need to feel bad about it being so. But to piss on others for supposedly less intelligent fallacy plays, that's a problem. And Turner was good at policing it I thought.
He's gone now, so water under the bridge, we all move on. :thumbsup:
''Actually this thread was going in the right direction, until makothecow came and spoiled it !
Let’s get back to the topic now ...''
Yes actually, it is not often you three talk together about physics of roulette...
Funny the title of this post is ''Conclusion''. This is the tenth page...
Quote from: The General on Dec 13, 02:52 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,
Back on topic. If you're not tracking the 'ball jumps' or the dominant ball drop, then how can you expect your vb program to work?
The fundamentals are missing from your app that you're trying to sell.
Not at all !
You misunderstood it.
Listen, suppose you have above average IQ and can estimate the ball drop!
Bingo, you have done half the work !
Now you need to know where the ball will rest ! Okay, it’s not a big deal !
On fast rotor, ball is going to jump approx 12 pockets ! And on slow rotor, it can jump up to 6 pockets ...
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 13, 02:58 PM 2018
Yes actually, it is not often you three talk together about physics of roulette...
Funny the title of this post is ''Conclusion''. This is the tenth page...
Agree, I don't mind the source of information. In this case two established players who have done well in a verifiable way, for years. Anytime you can listen and learn is a good thing. Very interesting reading how they look at the mechanical portion of the game.
If my worst enemy had the blueprints to a money-printing machine, I'm not going to let misplaced pride get in the way of him sharing them.... ;D
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 13, 02:58 PM 2018
''Actually this thread was going in the right direction, until makothecow came and spoiled it !
Let’s get back to the topic now ...''
Yes actually, it is not often you three talk together about physics of roulette...
Funny the title of this post is ''Conclusion''. This is the tenth page...
Mate,
Listen, the message from this thread is :
„Never waste your time with progressions or layout based systems, the only way to win is to use physics“
Quote from: Mako on Dec 13, 02:57 PM 2018My concern about Turner being gone is more about things like fallacy-busters going into Ignatus' threads and having a go at him on a personal level.
Ignatus is a nice guy. He never tries to scam or sell to anyone. His systems are fun and harmless. Turner did not protect fallacy busting, his goal was to troll me.
Quote from: The General on Dec 13, 03:02 PM 2018
Ignatus is a nice guy. He never tries to scam or sell to anyone. His systems are fun and harmless. Turner did not protect fallacy busting, his goal was to troll me.
I hear you, but if I put your particular grudge match as a twosome aside, he did good work multiple times in the past year when dickheads would go into an Ignatus thread and personally attack his intelligence level, etc.
It happens more than you think, because these clowns privately try one of Iggy's routines out, lose money because they're not smart enough to test properly first, then get bitter...and want to shit on him past that point. :xd:
I can't judge the war between you and Turner, at times I've felt you both went too far...though not often. I'm sure you each would say the other went too far more than yourselves... :twisted:
„Never waste your time with progressions or layout based systems, the only way to win is to use physics“
Yes, this I understood a few months ago.
Still, I will never have time to develop some AP capacities, and will never have time to go regularly to casinos. Maybe in a few years.
So in the meantime, it's ok to get to know some systems, some methods. Some systems/games are better/easier/fun to play than others. Why not enjoy the learning? This is a forum. The main subject is roulette.
You can't be serious about this. It's a game, an entertainment, for most people.
Better play roulette once in a while for fun than to buy a brand new car and lose 30% value per year...
Quote from: Mako on Dec 13, 03:06 PM 2018
... because these clowns privately try one of Iggy's routines out, lose money because they're not smart enough to test properly first, then get bitter...and want to shit on him past that point. :xd:
Ha! I'm sure it happened many times!
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 13, 03:07 PM 2018
„Never waste your time with progressions or layout based systems, the only way to win is to use physics“
Yes, this I understood a few months ago.
Still, I will never have time to develop some AP capacities, and will never have time to go regularly to casinos. Maybe in a few years.
So in the meantime, it's ok to get to know some systems, some methods. Some systems/games are better/easier/fun to play than others. Why not enjoy the learning? This is a forum. The main subject is roulette.
You can't be serious about this. It's a game, an entertainment, for most people.
Better play roulette once in a while for fun than to buy a brand new car and lose 30% value per year...
This is where I'm at also. You do enough testing, you understand that artificial stop losses, virtual bets, etc, all don't help. They really don't affect the outcome despite how attractive they may appear.
I do like the thought that in 37-spin cycles you get 24 uniques more often than not...and nearly equal unhits and repeats by the end. That outcome is where I like to focus now in terms of method testing, repeaters, etc.
But I don't discriminate against anything, if someone posts some outside bet, or fallacy red/black play, or what have you, I will test the F out of it...why not. :thumbsup:
Bigroben,
Why you want to fall in the trap? Don’t you want to learn from others experience ?
The problem is that when you start playing with crap systems you will start losing massive amount of money. You won’t surrender, you gonna keep playing and lose more !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 13, 03:12 PM 2018
Bigroben,
Why you want to fall in the trap? Don’t you want to learn from others experience ?
The problem is that when you start playing with crap systems you will start to lose massive amount of money. You won’t surrender, you gonna keep playing and lose more !
Ben is sharp RB, he doesn't bet anything without testing the basis of the method for thousands of spins in real-world conditions.
There are two players on the forum who I won't name, who have shown me their actual returns from playing their systems at B&M casinos for over a year. They have done extremely well, if you reverse their numbers they're sitting at a player edge of approximately 5%.
I tested them, they failed nearly instantly when confronted with say 2+ years of play at their pace. Came in exactly at an HE of 2.7%.
Meaning, unless someone tests in a realistic way BEFORE they attempt to play with actual money, they're doomed to fall into the trap you mentioned. If they DO test, well then it's just a fun hobby, learning about the game, etc, just something to pursue. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 13, 03:12 PM 2018
Bigroben,
Why you want to fall in the trap? Don’t you want to learn from others experience ?
The problem is that when you start playing with crap systems you will start losing massive amount of money. You won’t surrender, you gonna keep playing and lose more !
Dude, I never went to real casino in my whole life yet. I'm not falling in any trap. I'm not putting any money online either. I take it as a game, and when I'll go for real, it is going to remain a game, a trip.
A few spins at roulette, play a system that breaks even or better 90-95% of times flat for a few spins.
Walk away, some blackjack, then walk around and look at people losing, people winning, look at the other games and scenery. Eat, drink, chat.
This will be my first visit.
I'm a smart guy, I know how to make money other than gambling (buy land).
P.S.: I'd be richer if I stopped smoking and played roulette instead. Tobacco has a stunning 0% rate of return...!!!!
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 13, 03:20 PM 2018
I'd be richer if I stopped smoking and played roulette instead. Tobacco has a stunning 0% rate of return...!!!!
It also has a horrendous "stop loss" the player may ultimately hit... :xd:
Knock that stuff off BBB, you're too smart to keep doing it!
Quote from: Mako on Dec 13, 03:23 PM 2018
Knock that stuff off BBB, you're too smart to keep doing it!
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Why don't you take up vapeing like all the hipster douchebags have done near me...that way you can walk into your local Starbucks on a summer day and there's more fog than London in the winter... :yawn:
Quote from: The General on Dec 13, 03:02 PM 2018
Turner did not protect fallacy busting, his goal was to troll me.
🦟 is a bird cause it can fly. General is the victim. U still here bcz u r a good proxy. Ur aim is not roulette discussion rather hiring worker by manipulating member using repeated trolling.
Quote from: Madi on Dec 13, 03:28 PM 2018
🦟 is a bird cause it can fly. General is the victim. U still here bcz u r a good proxy. Ur aim is not roulette discussion rather hiring worker by manipulating member using repeated trolling.
Maybe, but look at it this way Madi: If people here DO use fallacy systems and DO go broke in doing so, they can turn to The General and become a minion to work to dig themselves out of a hole.
Not being sarcastic, it's at least something.
Ask yourself: Why are forum posts down by -60% in the past couple years?
One answer: Because people went B-R-O-K-E while attempting to "beat" the game.
It not just death, or anger at AP player posts, or whatever...but I would wager that the #1 reason we don't see people "from the old days" on anymore is because they gave up. They couldn't find anything that worked, and either busted out or simply walked away.
At least what Caleb is doing offer a reset for those who are truly addicted and want to continue the quest.
Quote from: Mako on Dec 13, 03:28 PM 2018
Why don't you take up vapeing like all the hipster douchebags have done near me...
Look at my profile picture!!! Do I look like a hipster douchebag? These people can't screw a bolt or plant a fence post!!!
Here's a question about real wheel: how to tell if a repeater is caused by physical defects in a wheel or by random itself?
A repeater-system could work better on a biased wheel, no?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 13, 03:35 PM 2018
Look at my profile picture!!! Do I look like a hipster douchebag? These people can't screw a bolt or plant a fence post!!!
Here's a question about real wheel: how to tell if a repeater is caused by physical defects in a wheel or by random itself?
A repeater-system could work better on a biased wheel, no?
:xd: :xd: :xd:
Caleb has said previously words to that effect, that when they detect an advantage they can play a basic hot number system that's similar to what we're always building systems off of without VB.
He's shared it before, I'm sure he'll mention it.
Quote from: Mako on Dec 13, 03:31 PM 2018
At least what Caleb is doing offer a reset for those who are truly addicted and want to continue the quest.
He doesnt offer anything better than a scammer. Just go and play AP doesnt mean anything. He is not even in a position to give people a graph for one playing session.
On other hand some people discuss very basic to deep in a way that other can understand( there system may not work).
That broken wheel thing ? No way.
In next 10 years all wheel going to be in museam.
Quote from: Mako on Dec 13, 03:31 PM 2018
Maybe, but look at it this way Madi: If people here DO use fallacy systems and DO go broke in doing so, they can turn to The General and become a minion to work to dig themselves out of a hole
Where is the evidence that he is more successfull than andre chass?
Quote from: Madi on Dec 13, 04:16 PM 2018
Where is the evidence that he is more successfull than andre chass?
The proof is in his pocket. :twisted:
Quote
He doesnt offer anything better than a scammer. Just go and play AP doesnt mean anything. He is not even in a position to give people a graph for one playing session.
Now, here's a graph of a playing session.
(link:s://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpxfDC4sBhoV2OKPEOFHH70ZYVLDH9_T-ntkBo2GhzuRAw2dmaLA)
Solid proof, as you can easily see. :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Dec 14, 12:43 AM 2018
The proof is in his pocket. :twisted:
Now, here's a graph of a playing session.
(link:s://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpxfDC4sBhoV2OKPEOFHH70ZYVLDH9_T-ntkBo2GhzuRAw2dmaLA)
Solid proof, as you can easily see. :thumbsup:
Give these proof to mako. I and most member dont buy these crap.
Viability of AP is well documented. So is the ineffectiveness of nonsense like repeaters.
If you are questioning AP, youve got no idea, and nobody cares.
General
It’s enough, be productive please !
Don’t be the clown behind the glass !
I have a question, I am now developing a system which is completely based on AP for online wheels.
I think many here would appreciate such system.
So, here the question, as you know online wheels don’t allow bet after ball spin, that’s actually a big problem, I was thinking of a way to workaround it and here is my suggestion:
We will divide the spins in two categories :
Category 1: observatory spins
Category 2: betting spins
What we need to do is the following:
Step 1: we need to calculate the ball‘s fall during an observatory spin and estimate the ball scatter.
With the coordinates obtained from step 1
We can go to step 2, in which we use the same coordinates we got in step 1 and estimate the winning zone of the wheel, of course we need to consider that the ball is gonna be spun from another launch’s point ..
What do you think ?
Quote from: Steve on Dec 14, 02:32 AM 2018
Viability of AP is well documented. So is the ineffectiveness of nonsense like repeaters.
If you are questioning AP, youve got no idea, and nobody cares.
Viability of AP doesnt mean that u can do it in profitable way. U can read the book feel amazed . I can read in a book how to make atom bomb can tell people how great it is doesnt mean i can make it
Example
I cant use ur compi in any reputed casino in australia for some reason. Its kind of AP isnt it? Viability is 0 for me here. Useles for me. I wont fly to moon to play using ur compi . I better buy andre chass mystry at least i can play anywhere in the world using any roulette either rng or real wheel. Thats called viability
Quote from: Madi on Dec 14, 03:14 AM 2018
Example
I cant use ur compi in any reputed casino in australia for some reason. Its kind of AP isnt it? Viability is 0 for me here. Useles for me. I wont fly to moon to play using ur compi . I better buy andre chass mystry at least i can play anywhere in the world using any roulette either rng or real wheel. Thats called viability
Wrong !
And even if you are in a situation like you said, it’s your interest to buy neither a compi nor Andre chas stragedy... why ?
In the first case you will pay money for compi that you can’t use . And in the second case you pay money for a system that will make you lose even more money when you play it
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 14, 03:25 AM 2018
Wrong !
And even if you are in a situation like you said, it’s your interest to buy neither a compi nor Andre chas stragedy... why ?
In the first case you will pay money for compi that you can’t use . And in the second case you pay money for a system that will make you lose even more money when you play it
You call your good friend Andre a scammer, liar ?!?!!! :twisted:
Quote from: luckyfella on Dec 14, 03:38 AM 2018
You call your good friend Andre a scammer, liar ?!?!!! :twisted:
Dude
we are really fed up !
In short, anyone who comes with a System and want to sell it, he is a scammer !
Because, if his system is good enough, he will make money using it!
Quote from: Madi on Dec 14, 03:04 AM 2018
Viability of AP doesnt mean that u can do it in profitable way. U can read the book feel amazed . I can read in a book how to make atom bomb can tell people how great it is doesnt mean i can make it
Madi it works so well that winning too much is a problem. Im not asking you to believe me.
Also can we please not attack andre. He isn't able to freely defend himself because he's moderated.
You want to sell system for money, so your goal is financial !
If you have a winning system in the first stage, you wouldn’t sell because you can be financially fine !
If you have a money printer, would you sell it for money ?
No!
Banks have lots of money. They should close now.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 14, 07:08 AM 2018
Banks have lots of money. They should close now.
Why the should close ?
Steve, let the banks for now and look at my question above !
Looking forward to know your opinion on the matte
If the system is as good as you say Sergio you definitely want to re evaluate about not selling it..
The system will be out of your control for anyone to share it with anyone..you would not be able to enforce the bet staying secret ..nor know who shared it
Does your team who worked on it with you agree with what you want to do!
There must be a different way to get the capital to actually run the system..
That would be the only reason I could see to raise money
A true hg wouldn’t be for sale
There would be no reason for it to be
If your inclined to sell do it a different way
Get a web based pay as you go subscription to input numbers and numbers out to bet on
You would make a far better income passively than a one off sale and hopefully still keep the system safe..unless it’s easy to crack
Just my two pennies worth
PassionRuleta,
Turbo drove through here earlier in the year, so all of us already have roulette systems that work. We don't need your system.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 14, 12:14 PM 2018
jajajaja... no decias que lo de Turbo no funcionaba?? ahora has cambiado de opinion?? :lol: :lol:
Yes, most people believe that it works better than your system.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Dec 14, 12:34 PM 2018
I know about Turbo and I know what he does and I know that even in plan it can work many times and others require progression ...
I know how Turbo, vaddis and dyksexlic work, that's why I'm creating my own way of everything I learned from the 3 :wink: :thumbsup:
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We tested your system though, and it lost.
Conclusion it proves that all the systems on the forum including my lunch money system .lose at some point .
THE TITLE Of THIS THREAD IS CONCLUSION 🙏
For many years the martial arts was thought off secrecy the dim mac killer touch what a bunch of bull shit .the cage fighting proved what works and what doesn’t .roulette is no different mr passion.
General
Let passionruletta dream ! Don’t wake him up
Why did you skip my question ? Have a look at it please and let me know ur opinion
Quote from: 6th-sense on Dec 14, 11:34 AM 2018
If the system is as good as you say Sergio you definitely want to re evaluate about not selling it..
The system will be out of your control for anyone to share it with anyone..you would not be able to enforce the bet staying secret ..nor know who shared it
Does your team who worked on it with you agree with what you want to do!
There must be a different way to get the capital to actually run the system..
That would be the only reason I could see to raise money
A true hg wouldn’t be for sale
There would be no reason for it to be
If your inclined to sell do it a different way
Get a web based pay as you go subscription to input numbers and numbers out to bet on
You would make a far better income passively than a one off sale and hopefully still keep the system safe..unless it’s easy to crack
Just my two pennies worth
You are the man, 6thsense !
I agree with you on every word you wrote !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 14, 05:09 PM 2018
General
Why did you skip my question ? Have a look at it please and let me know ur opinion
Because you've already decided that none of it's possible. QuoteThat’s not gonna work !
Quotebecause casino keep an eye on this, if one wheel has a weak diamond then it will be replaced !
QuoteAgain? you really need to give up talking about dominant diamond !
QuoteDominant diamond is dead!
Remember now? ::)
If trigger and waiting is gamblers fallacy, why the casinos worldwide disallows such play ?
Casino wins billions due to the following -
1. Extra pocket
2. Unfair payout
3. Table min/max
4. No free spins
5. No waiting
Find me a casino that allows 4 and 5, online casino I win flatbet with a net positive system bet.
In fact, I will play flatbet at table max that rules out any form of progression.
This game is beatable because it's flawed.
Note - if you insist on gamblers fallacy and that systems bet must surely fail, then pls answer my question.
Quote from: luckyfella on Dec 14, 09:16 PM 2018
If trigger and waiting is gamblers fallacy, why the casinos worldwide disallows such play ?
Casino wins billions due to the following -
1. Extra pocket
2. Unfair payout
3. Table min/max
4. No free spins
5. No waiting
Find me a casino that allows 4 and 5, online casino I win flatbet with a net positive system bet.
This game is beatable because it's flawed.
Casinos don't care if you wait around to bet. They also don't care if you use triggers. Just as long as you're not taking up valuable space just sitting there waiting to bet.
The game isn't flawed. The dealing procedure, and sometimes the wheel are exploitable.
Quote from: The General on Dec 14, 09:20 PM 2018
Casinos don't care if you wait around to bet. They also don't care if you use triggers. Just as long as you're not taking up valuable space just sitting there waiting to bet.
The game isn't flawed. The dealing procedure, and sometimes the wheel are at times.
Sorry, you are wrong.
The fact is online casinos do not allow continuous unlimited waiting. Online casinos rng do not allow free spins or allow only limited free spins.
Get your facts correct.
Like I said, find me online casinos that allow for such gamblers fallacy systems play, I will be a millionaire in no time.
Quote from: luckyfella on Dec 14, 09:24 PM 2018
Sorry, you are wrong.
The fact is online casinos do not allow continuous unlimited waiting. Online casinos rng do not allow free spins or limited free spins.
Get your facts correct.
Do you honestly believe that it's because of triggers? ::)
Quote from: The General on Dec 14, 09:27 PM 2018
Do you honestly believe that it's because of triggers? ::)
I don't care what you believe.
Find me one online casino that -
1
allow free spins2.
allow waiting3.
allow botPls focus the discussion on this 3 rules applied by online casinos.
If these 3 rules are allowed, this roulette game is easily beaten by a mile.
The only way around these 3 rules is to play as a team round the clock in b&m casino.
Finding team members whom is trustworthy is the real problem.
Quote from: luckyfella on Dec 14, 09:31 PM 2018
I don't care what you believe.
Find me one online casino that -
1 allow free spins
2. allow free spins
3. allow bot
Pls focus the duscussion on this 3 rules applied by online casinos.
If these 3 rules are allowed, this roulette game is easily beaten by a mile.
Luckyfella,
Why can't you just stand around a real table or tables and just bet when your trigger criteria is met? ::) You know, walk back and forth between tables and then place your bets with value chips when you feel that they're due?
Logic, it's always in the way.
Quote from: The General on Dec 14, 09:32 PM 2018
Luckyfella,
Why can't you just stand around a real table or tables and just bet when your trigger criteria is met? ::)
Logic, it's always in the way.
I wrote the solution to play in b&m casino
But the real practical problem is to find trustworthy team members.
Bot systems play with online casino is perfect !
Quote from: luckyfella on Dec 14, 09:35 PM 2018
I wrote the solution to play in b&m casino
But the real practical problem is to find trustworthy team members.
And why do you feel that you need team members? Why can't you play on your own?
Quote from: The General on Dec 14, 09:36 PM 2018
And why do you feel that you need team members? Why can't you play on your own?
WAITING for
trigger ,
systems bet that such and such is
due ?
Gamblers fallacy stuff.
So why online casinos worldwide won't allow me to wait for trigger, when it's 100% certain for the casino to easily take my money ?
Why won't they allow my bot to play this
waiting for trigger systems betting which is sure to lose ?
Answer that. Don't give silly excuses pls.
Blackjack players wait for the deck to get hot.
They play advantage play, increase bet size according to the deck count.
I play stupid flatbet wait for trigger something is due systems play with a bot.
They don't allow.
Simple answer, stupid waiting for trigger systems bet that's claimed by math boyz as gamblers fallacy beats this game easily. Flatbet, no need for progression. Because this game is flawed.
Remember, casinos will ban consistent winners.
You guys still think this roulette game is not beatable because of extra pockets, unfair payouts ?
Think again.
And what about my question below?
Why do you feel that you need team members? Why can't you play on your own?
I know this is a tough question, so feel free to take all the time that you need. ::)
Quote from: The General on Dec 14, 10:06 PM 2018
And what about my question below?
Why do you feel that you need team members? Why can't you play on your own?
I know this is a tough question, so feel free to take all the time that you need. ::)
Simple obvious answer.
Because I have to
WAIT for the wheel to heat up, just like the blackjack advantage players. They monitor the deck as a round the clock team.
This stupid
WAITING can take a long time.
Bot is perfect for this
waiting.
Now, stop asking questions about my stupid sure to lose gamblers fallacy system to dig for hints.
I won't answer such questions.
Quote from: luckyfella on Dec 14, 10:12 PM 2018
Simple obvious answer.
Because I have to WAIT for the wheel to heat up, just like the blackjack advantage players. They monitor the deck as a round the clock team.
What do you mean by monitoring the deck?
How does having a team help you with "waiting for the wheel to heat up"?
Doesn't that mean that you're just going to have even more people, just standing around? ::) (There's that dang thing we call logic, rearing it's head again.)
Can you elaborate on the wheel heating? :o
Quote from: The General on Dec 14, 11:13 PM 2018
What do you mean by monitoring the deck?
How does having a team help you with "waiting for the wheel to heat up"? Doesn't that mean that you're just going to have even more people, just standing around? ::) (There's that dang thing we call logic, rearing it's head again.)
Can you elaborate on the wheel heating? :o
I have answered your question.
Complete answer given.
Now, go play with someone else. :thumbsup:
Good luck.
General
Go back to previous pages and see my question on AP for online wheels
Don’t forget to write down your opinion
@ RBeater - apart from the fact that you are not open to what limited info they are sharing with you, isn't it obvious that Caleb and co are also looking for their next phase (something better) on how to go about with this game ....wonder why? ....err and am not interested in a debate about this with you guys either ::)
- and I concur - there's nothing wrong with looking for more efficient ways too :thumbsup:
@ Winner - Dim Mak's quite a left field parallel to this thread?
- Dim Mak/vibrating palms are all energy based principles/techniques, for it to be solidified there is a time and place with its application (bringing up UFC/cage etc to debunk doesn’t warrant or prove anything)
- is Roulette not also energy based? - there is a time and place for ones systemic application as well (certain forum pros on here would disagree and have made it loud and clear to ‘protect the forum newbies’ that it ain’t so - and their entitled to their play on it)
@PRoulette - **if you really have something of substance - then take 6ths advice - there are better ways
- get street smart! - don't be wasting your time waffling on here! Get the right crew with good business acumen and merit around you and you won't/never need to sell it
@LuckyFella - your insignia states you have left the forum on the 2nd Dec? - we are still lucky to have your presence? :)
Conclusions? - many variables hence quite silly to limit ones scope with the usual 1 -2 -3 ways of winning long term at this game
-Seasons Greetings-
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Dec 15, 09:46 AM 2018
@ RBeater - apart from the fact that you are not open to what limited info they are sharing with you, isn't it obvious that Caleb and co are also looking for their next phase (something better) on how to go about with this game ....wonder why? ....err and am not interested in a debate about this with you guys either ::)
- and I concur - there's nothing wrong with looking for more efficient ways too :thumbsup:
@ Winner - Dim Mak's quite a left field parallel to this thread?
- Dim Mak/vibrating palms are all energy based principles/techniques, for it to be solidified there is a time and place with its application (bringing up UFC/cage etc to debunk doesn’t warrant or prove anything)
- is Roulette not also energy based? - there is a time and place for ones systemic application as well (certain forum pros on here would disagree and have made it loud and clear to ‘protect the forum newbies’ that it ain’t so - and their entitled to their play on it)
@PRoulette - **if you really have something of substance - then take 6ths advice - there are better ways
- get street smart! - don't be wasting your time waffling on here! Get the right crew with good business acumen and merit around you and you won't/never need to sell it
@LuckyFella - your insignia states you have left the forum on the 2nd Dec? - we are still lucky to have your presence? :)
Conclusions? - many variables hence quite silly to limit ones scope with the usual 1 -2 -3 ways of winning long term at this game
-Seasons Greetings-
Left field far from it .energy has nothing to do with gambling Using energy can’t make results happen in roulette .My analogy of the death touch just proves what work and what doesn’t there were a lot of scammer in the martial arts world in the day people fell for that shit until ufc showed what works and roulette is no different lots of scammers .Casinos being the first on the pyramid.
One person show me that you can make $100,000 a year playing with a system.dont even care what the Shem is prove it .
Computer not included I they know work.
@ Winner - it's all energy based - everything! - not Mumbojumbo srry - though there is a time and place to apply it ........successfully that is
-$100K? - just hang around the right people and you will see it's not far fetched
- yeah there are scammers etc, it’s a sad part of life
- I was adding my 2 cents to the Title reading "Conclusion" - my position on it is that there is more than just AP/VB & Comps to be profitable with this game - refute it or not - there is always more than just one play in life
-Best Wishes-
Quote from: Winner on Dec 05, 01:22 PM 2018So all the systems don’t work .
This is what started it.
You hear this all the time.
What it means is; the OP can't win, the 2 experts can't win unless one has a cheat, the other is using an antiquated idea.
So in general they can't win so YOU CAN'T WIN.
Just learn; look to the 1st 10 spins; you'll need no more
Steve off to bed
Notto, its not just i cant beat rng. Its that all evidence, here and from the whole world, indicates nobody has a system that beats all spins in all conditions (the hg).
Are you saying you do?
Also i dont need to cheat. Firstly, computers are not considered cheating in about half of casinos. We dont use them there. Secondly, i can easily beat roulette with AP methods that dont use any electronic devices.
Your problem notto is you dont like being told why your methods dont work. So rather than show otherwise, you attack the people that explained everything. Good job.
Make it simple notto. Justify your bs. Show us something tangible to prove your claims. Perhaps another 200 spin chart? Please.
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 15, 07:32 PM 2018Just learn; look to the 1st 10 spins; you'll need no more
Your knowledge is inspirational.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 15, 07:57 PM 2018Your knowledge is inspirational.
Thanks from an expert.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 15, 07:45 PM 2018Notto, its not just i cant beat rng. Its that all evidence, here and from the whole world, indicates nobody has a system that beats all spins
Yeah your right; not an ever ending trot of 1/37's.
The bit you don't like is; I don't play your never ending trot of 1/37's. The reason is when I win the units I stop.
Now you being the expert; you are going to say small sets of spins is one set of never ending spins.
It’s like your advice, it’s never ending, and it’s astounding drivel; not to be taken on board.
Your poor understanding, coupled with arrogance, is comical. Ill leave you to it :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Dec 16, 05:09 AM 2018Your poor understanding
Quote from: Steve on Dec 16, 05:09 AM 2018coupled with arrogance
Quote from: Steve on Dec 16, 05:09 AM 2018is comical.
Come on Steve you know your full of shite, that sorry loser, who can't win; so no one can
So it’s the usual; from you.
Now I understand Turbo and even Mr J; yes better to start your game with less numbers. But you can win from spin 11 betting non-hit. But you need to know what the unknown is going to throw at you.
When starting your 1/37 trot you start the unknown.
So how do you help yourself here? Well there must be ways.
For me it’s collect data on each non-hit; after all there are only 37 of them.
And for me; knowing old windbag General’s; star burst spins perform like all the other non-hit time tables is the gold standard of approval.
Let’s take a piece of info: from all the non-hit time tables.
It covers Turbo and Mr J; bet straight away. 80% of the time BBB’s figure you will win in 1st 10 spins.
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Here on the Generals gold standard MPR; this has used three methods of betting for repeats. The best method is the 80% above.
And can you see NO VISITS TOO THE ATM.
How many losing accounts did you need to go through first? Ive lost count.
Nevermind notto. I dont mind if youre deluded.
Yes i'll carry on with the repeat.
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Discussions here are running without an end, some guys are members of this forum since many years ! And are still thinking they can win using mathematical systems, i wonder how long time do they still need untill they realize that they are going nowhere!
like you
Notto
You are members since 2015!
You still believe in your repeaters HG ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 16, 10:22 AM 2018
Notto
You are members since 2015!
You still believe in your repeaters HG ?
[/quote
Beater what’s your holy shmoly
noto you think this is educational... for some people :xd: :xd: :xd:
M
As soon as i see 6min; I turned it off.
So know i dear what it's showing
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 16, 05:27 AM 2018
So it’s the usual; from you.
Now I understand Turbo and even Mr J; yes better to start your game with less numbers. But you can win from spin 11 betting non-hit. But you need to know what the unknown is going to throw at you.
When starting your 1/37 trot you start the unknown.
So how do you help yourself here? Well there must be ways.
For me it’s collect data on each non-hit; after all there are only 37 of them.
And for me; knowing old windbag General’s; star burst spins perform like all the other non-hit time tables is the gold standard of approval.
Let’s take a piece of info: from all the non-hit time tables.
It covers Turbo and Mr J; bet straight away. 80% of the time BBB’s figure you will win in 1st 10 spins.
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Here on the Generals gold standard MPR; this has used three methods of betting for repeats. The best method is the 80% above.
And can you see NO VISITS TOO THE ATM.
Again, how many spins were played? ::)
Only spins that are bet on are logged. But a player can bet $1 for 1000 spins and $5000 for 1 spin. The stats include amount bet.
Most accounts win for a while, because of progression. Then they tank.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 17, 03:51 PM 2018
Only spins that are bet on are logged. But a player can bet $1 for 1000 spins and $5000 for 1 spin. The stats include amount bet.
Most accounts win for a while, because of progression. Then they tank.
It’s amazing how everything tanks.
Like i keep saying, progression is like a loan that eventually gets repaid, with interest. It looks good for a while though.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 17, 04:00 PM 2018
Like i keep saying, progression is like a loan that eventually gets repaid, with interest. It looks good for a while though.
That’s true
Quote from: daveylibra on Dec 07, 02:35 PM 2018
Really? Have you tried my basic program in my other thread? I'm convinced it shows that playing each number that hits flatbet (or any other way) does not often reach profit at all.
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Davey; still working
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Still going well Notto.
Keep up the good work.
You have provided very good info to this forum. Not sure why there is not more interest in your methods.
I enjoy reading your posts and results.
So many thanks.
Thank you Shogun.
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Now some might say it's 8w-2L; i find it's 7w-3L
So the 1st 10 blocks; you can see blocks 5-6-7 are 10L: Now Mako must have come across what Saint savior Steve and sidekick the useless General; call a rare event.
So why not move up?
Last high was 66166; now 66202
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Now fucktard Mr J can belittle betting for the repeat with fewer numbers than KTF; seems you can't win with either method in his eye's; so suppose better go and catch the 8 train.
Onward
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Can you here the music in the background; just an illusion; by imagination
Jono
Random.org; you've got 730 sets of 185 spins; you should be able to see the average to hit.
This from the Gold standard MPR
1st game where i ended plus
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It's fast so repeats are need.
2nd game when come back
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This game is fast so repeats are needed to slow it; whats coming?
Then you get arsehole like this
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Scepticus can't even explain his system without getting lost in his own words.
Notto lives along the river Denial.
Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone, Today at 3:12 AM
There's so many there Mr J the list goes on
Thanks Notto
Will study this closely....
I notice in the second game you had one repeat in 17 spins (spin 14). This would be a good time to start betting for a repeat, repeats are definitely due here (You would have already taken a profit from cashing out of KTF - time to exploit it some more). Thanks Notto. This is starting to sink in.....
Just recorded game 100 of KTF, halfway there... Can't seem to break it.
Will have to have a terrible run in the next 100 games for everything to fall in a heap. Don't see it happening.
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So we know this is the idiot; who like to cause trouble.
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One of his many aka's
Now i'm famous as i get talked ofover at Goof Forum
This shows how much he knows about Turbo repeat; Nothing. It's why he asked me how i use repeat method.
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Turbo,
On Roulette cc Notto has tested your system for close to 30 or 35 spins now. 30 to 35 spins means he's played about 20 games, and has proven that it's the holy grail! The key is to always look forward in time to the next series of spins before traveling back a few spins to choose your bet.
So i wonder why i sit at No:2 on leaderboard using 3 repeat methods; still using the starting Bank roll of 5000. Clueless; he'd better buy one of Saint saviour Steve's mickey mouse phones.
Now this clown use to be alright; but has fallen and now frequents the lowly Goof Forum
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Have WE sunk that low to repeat a post by Notto ? . The cat with "KTF" credentials ? Glad to have stayed away from RF.cc
ND
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Mr J the Big Dogg; see it Turner, his double GG, he likes this term of use for dog
What a bunch of C---S
Notto, do the forum a favour and please stop posting inflammatory trash. Youre trolling now. When caleb or i point out your mistakes, you call it troublemaking. We call it steering people towards clear irrefutable truth that anyone with a brain can verify. Then you react by making it personal. Please, stop your trolling.
Andre Roulette is unbeatable ,people like you keep banging your head trying to beat the odds . try to to beat the game that takes intelligence