H.P Johnson Method

[Le_Chiffre]

Does anyone know anything about the H.P Johnson guaranteed system?

I've tried to read up on it on the internet but can't really find much.  I believe it is a similar system to the Midas (labby/cancellation variation)  but the bits that I have found on it I couldn't really understand to make the maths work out.

Below is pretty much all i could find on it online but like i said, I don't really understand it.  If someone else could understand properly and would write the rules/system more clearly on here it will be much appreciated.  thanks

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"""""HP Johnson Guaranteed System

HP Johnson said this method can handle extreme adverse run even if it is 31 times in a row.
He guaranteed the system because he said the losses were not encountered.
He said the worse adverse run he had encountered was three days in a row before winning streaks overtake the losses.

Let’s explore HP JOHNSON Guaranteed System further:

HP JOHNSON used it successfully in international casinos throughout the world.
He started by explaining why players lose.

“Adverse run causes players to lose out of proportion to their modest win.”

The above statement was mentioned by Chase. However, HP Johnson said the same thing.

HP Johnson guaranteed the system but he wants 10% of the profit of your winnings.

The strength of this system is that the system can withstand extreme adverse run like 31 times in a row, yet come out ahead.
Losses were not encountered. The worse he had encountered were losses three consecutive days in a row before winning streak come on the fourth day.

In my opinion, this method also falls within the category I classify as “Smart Chasing of Losses”.

He uses a method called fixed string. You can start with any string of 14 numbers or even 50 numbers. However, HP Johnson invariably starts with this string of 14 numbers. He says this is more balanced.

This is the string he used.

5 5 5 5 5 5 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45 45

There are five “5s” and nine “45s”

You take the first number and the last number.

If won you cancel off the first and last numbers.

Since there are only 14 numbers, seven wins will conclude your series with US$350 win, irrespective of the number of losses. I repeat

SEVEN WINS WILL CONCLUDE YOUR SERIES WITH US$350 WIN, IRRESPECTIVE OF THE NUMBER OF LOSSES.

You have to get this clear before you continue.

Each time you lose you distribute the numbers into the scale. The idea is to keep stakes low and take on extreme adverse run.
This is what happens after your first loss. The first column is your starting string. The second column is after you distribute the numbers into the scale.

5
5
5
5
5   10
45   50
45   50
45   50
45   50
45   50
45   50
45   50
45   50
45   50

Then you bet 55 (first number and last number). The first number is 5 not 10. The last number is 50. Lost again. Your log is now like this.

5   10
5   10
5   10
5   10
5   10
45   50
45   50
45   50
45   50   55
45   50   55
45   50   55
45   50   55
45   50   55
45   50   55

Then you bet 65 (first number plus last number). Lost again. Your log is now like this.

5   10   15
5   10   15
5   10   15
5   10   15
5   10   15
45   50   55
45   50   55
45   50   55
45   50   55
45   50   55
45   50   55
45   50   55   60
45   50   55   60
45   50   55   60

Then you bet 75. (bet first plus last number). You lost. You add 5 into each number, meaning you distribute the scales to keep stake low.

5   10   15   20
5   10   15   20
5   10   15   20
5   10   15   20
5   10   15   20
45   50   55   60
45   50   55   60
45   50   55   60
45   50   55   60
45   50   55   60
45   50   55   60
45   50   55   60   65
45   50   55   60   65
45   50   55   60   65

Your next stake is now 85. Remember bet first plus last number. You lost again.

5   10   15   20   25
5   10   15   20   25
5   10   15   20   25
5   10   15   20   25
5   10   15   20   25
45   50   55   60   65
45   50   55   60   65
45   50   55   60   65
45   50   55   60   65
45   50   55   60   65   70
45   50   55   60   65   70
45   50   55   60   65   70
45   50   55   60   65   70
45   50   55   60   65   70

Your next stake is now 95. You lost. Now you distribute the scale. Add 5 to each number starting from the bottom. Do it yourself. Continue to do this for the next few losses and see what happens.

Now what if you win. Each time you win you cancel off the first string and the last string.
You only need seven hits. You only need seven hits to close the series and you win US$350. This is irrespective of the number of losses you encounter.
Sounds great! So you break the bank. No, there is a catch.
The catch is how HP Johnson split the scale, rebalances the scale and creates virtual partnership play.
So, you continue to split and rebalance the scale until winning streaks overtake the losses.


This is how HP Johnson handles the catch.
When there are four strings left, he split the scale whenever the numbers exceed 80 (or 16 units)
For example, now you have

80
80
80
80

The scale will be split into

â€"   40
â€"   40
80   40
80   40
80   40
80   40
â€"   40
â€"   40

This is to keep stakes low in the event of adverse run
When there are two numbers left he split the scale whenever the number exceeds 150 or 30 units.
If you look at the table above, you will find that eight numbers with 40. So, HP Johnson rebalances the scale.

â€"   40   15
â€"   40   15
80   40   15
80   40   30
80   40   40
80   40   55
â€"   40   55
â€"   40   55

You should be able to handle these after some intensive practice. In fact, HP Johnson plays three pairs of partnership in all three even odds game in roulette.

[Jordsie669]

I don't get it, 
But it seems the best labouchere variation EVER!
Can someone please explain this?

EDIT: found more explained version in pdf.

[Jordsie669]

Le_Chiffre I think i got it! 
Okay, the main idea is that the string always stays the same length!
Why? Lets say the string has a length of 6, after a loss you will redistribute the numbers so the length
of the string will remain the same, so that no matter what happens you just have to win 3 times.

example:
starting string:
111111

lost:
111122

lost again:
122222

lost again:
222233

But what if the numbers in the string become to high?
If a number in string is bigger then 16 units, split the number!

example:
string before:
16 16 16

string after:
8 8 8 8 8 8

I hope you get the main idea!
Cheers, Jordsie.

[Le_Chiffre]

Hi Jordsie,

Thanks for replying.  I'm glad someone has shown interest in this method as it does seem to be the best labby method (apart from the splitting thing that i don't understand).

I get your explanation using just a standard labby line, but how does it work with the HP johnson method as above?  5s and 45s and going up in units of 5 on a loss?

Thanks,
Le_Chiffre

[Jordsie669]

I mailed the writer of that article, if you still have any questions
mail to the writer: soondr@gmail.com
I don't get what he did there too

Cheers, Jordsie.

[Le_Chiffre]

I tried doing that too, a while ago and got no reply

I've also tried private messaging all the labby and progression experts i could find on this forum and others to see if they understood it and go no reply either.

I guess this method will remain a mystery even though to me it looks like it could be the method with the best potential.

IF THERE'S ANYONE OUT THERE THAT UNDERSTANDS THIS METHOD AND/OR HAS PLAYED IT, CAN YOU LET US KNOW WHAT TO DO AND IF IT'S ANY GOOD?  Thanks lol

[rusa71]

I don't understand what difference between this method and method called *Cancellation). Re-read it few times and still don't get why it should work. Need more explanations from smb....

[Jordsie669]

I don't understand what difference between this method and method called *Cancellation). Re-read it few times and still don't get why it should work. Need more explanations from smb....

Because in this method you only need "X" amount of wins no matter what happens!!!
So at some point you will be close to martingale like this string:
24 24

So to avoid martingale risks you split the numbers as soon as they go 16+:
12 12 12 12

[Jordsie669]

Le_Chiffre I understand it (i think) and tested it and it works like a charm!!!
But its hard to explain and that author is replying to me so why not to you?
Maybe I'll put up a full explanation/tutorial when I have some time...
You can see this method like a safe martingale, I'll give more explanation later on.

Cheers, Jordsie.

[Le_Chiffre]

Jordsie, any chance of a private chat or something through here or MSN or something?  Been trying to get to the bottom of this method for a while now?

[superman]

I've done extensive Labby orientated botting to test different formations of the labby cancelation method, yes they work, BUT you need a good bet selection for them to work, reducing as you go is the idea, but at some point you will have to increase the labby size again if the losses are plentiful, and this is where it can go all wrong, trust me, it does go wrong eventually, either the bets get far too high or the length of the labby is just too big to get enough wins to empty it.

I've also tried private messaging all the labby and progression experts i could find on this forum and others to see if they understood it and go no reply either

Try searching the forum, you may find some good info.

What selection process are you wanting to use the labby with, you do know the bet selection comes first, then decide what sort of money management you are going to use, looks like you guys want the mm first, it wont work that way in my humble opinion anyway.

[rusa71]

Because in this method you only need "X" amount of wins no matter what happens!!!

That I don't understand! Same in that file says that you need only 7 wins no matter how many losses. How it could be? I understand about splitting...If you have 24-24, you can split it to 12-12-12-12. But! Now you need 2 wins instead of 1...I've tryed before splitting when I used *Cancellation*. Result was the same...

[Le_Chiffre]

Yes. this is mystery of the system that I've been trying to get to the bottom of  in my many months of testing, searching, emailing the author, contacting people on here etc... no-one has helped out.....but from the sound of Jordsie may have cracked it......so it's all on Jordsie to reveal the answer.........

[Jordsie669]

That I don't understand! Same in that file says that you need only 7 wins no matter how many losses. How it could be? I understand about splitting...If you have 24-24, you can split it to 12-12-12-12. But! Now you need 2 wins instead of 1...I've tryed before splitting when I used *Cancellation*. Result was the same...

It requires a bit logical thinking!
Let's say you have a string like this:
2 2 2 2 2 2 (It would require 3 Wins to end the series)

After a loss the string in normal labby becomes:
2 2 2 2 2 2 4 (This would NOW require 4 Wins to end the series)

But in HP Johnsons method we want that we only need the same amount of wins! So after a loss we distribute the numbers so that the string remains the same length!
2 2 3 3 3 3 (Using this method I still only need 3 wins instead of 4 after a loss!)

After a win the string becomes:
2 3 3 3 (Strings length is 4 so NOW we want it to stay length 4!) (1 Win out of 3)

After another loss the string becomes:
4 4 4 4 (Instead of 2 3 3 3 5)

After another win the string becomes:
4 4 (2 Wins of 3)

Another win:
FINISHED (ONLY 3 WINS NEEDED DESPITE 2 LOSSES)

Now what if we didn't win then our string would become:
8 8 (Kinda gettin' martingale now)

Another loss:
19 19 Will be split into 8 8 8 8 Because limit is 16 UNITS MAX! (I know that you then need one more win to conclude the series, but its safer else your just doing martingale!!!)

So I hope it's all clear now!
Cheers, Jordsie.

[rusa71]

It requires a bit logical thinking!
Let's say you have a string like this:
2 2 2 2 2 2 (It would require 3 Wins to end the series)

After a loss the string in normal labby becomes:
2 2 2 2 2 2 4 (This would NOW require 4 Wins to end the series)

But in HP Johnsons method we want that we only need the same amount of wins! So after a loss we distribute the numbers so that the string remains the same length!
2 2 3 3 3 3 (Using this method I still only need 3 wins instead of 4 after a loss!)

After a win the string becomes:
2 3 3 3 (Strings length is 4 so NOW we want it to stay length 4!) (1 Win out of 3)

After another loss the string becomes:
4 4 4 4 (Instead of 2 3 3 3 5)

After another win the string becomes:
4 4 (2 Wins of 3)

Another win:
FINISHED (ONLY 3 WINS NEEDED DESPITE 2 LOSSES)

Now what if we didn't win then our string would become:
8 8 (Kinda gettin' martingale now)

Another loss:
19 19 Will be split into 8 8 8 8 Because limit is 16 UNITS MAX! (I know that you then need one more win to conclude the series, but its safer else your just doing martingale!!!)

So I hope it's all clear now!
Cheers, Jordsie.

Great explanation! Thanks Jordsie669...Now I got this.