Hi proofreaders2000, here is what I think is a very good streets method. I created TEMPLATE 7 about 3 years ago after reading an article about something random could never do. The Author wrote, you would grow old and die before you would ever see ALL 37 NUMBERS HIT IN 37 SPINS. As true as that is how would you translate that into a functional profitable METHOD. There had to be a compromise.
I began thinking how even the streets are rarely if ever hit in 12 consecutive spins. Here I found that as the ball picked off the streets after 6 to 7 streets had been hit you would rarely go 4 spins without one of them being hit again. And the last street can take more than 50 spins to be nailed. From this knowledge I formulated TEMPLATE 7. In 10,000 spins I lost my progression just 7 times 7x56.While winning several thousand units if I had added an extra step (140 points 4 steps) I WOULD HAVE NEVER LOST. Here is the method..
(1) You record spins until the ball has hit 7 different STREETS, this becomes your TEMPLATE 7
(2) You now wait until one of the 5 remaining streets is hit, THIS IS YOUR TRIGGER.
(3) Using a 3 step progression you bet that the ball will now hit your TEMPLATE 7 in one of the next 3 spins.
(4) Your risk is 56 Points 7/14/35 most wins come on the first bet. The idea is its near impossible for random to hit 3 of the remaining 4 streets in 3 spins.
(5) For added insurance you cover the ZERO on step 2 and 3 of the PROGRESSION.
I(6) You play two games per TEMPLATE 7 ,BEFORE RESETTING. So for example if you win your first bet you now have 4 streets remaining. You again wait for a TRIGGER which will leave 3 streets and then play one more game by betting on your TEMPLATE. If you win this your session with that TEMPLATE IS OVER. You reset and go again.
I had a lot of success with this I've kept it on the backburner a long time as the Zone and now the Matrixes consummed so much of my time. But it may be better than both of them for consistency with a four step progression youve got a virtual GRAIL. The only reason I never really pushed this one is 56 points or 140 points would be a big risk for newbies but if you see its strikerate its justified. I've won 352 games in a row with TEMPLATE 7
Thanks for sharing JL,
This could be an online version for your system,
but with little modifications, no necesary wait the trigger
just bet on that 7 streets, and if lose keep adding the new
streets. So bet first on 7 str, if lose bet on 8 streets, if lose
bet on 9 streets. On the last two progrs. steps cover the 0.
EX:
1. 0,20 x 7 -1,4 +1
2. 1 x 8 +2,3 (w on the 8 str.)
0,30 on 0 -9,7 +1,1 (w on 0)
3. 5 x 9 +3,3 ( w on 9 str.)
2 on 0 -56,7 +15,3 ( w on 0)
Cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Mar 07, 10:56 AM 2011
Thanks for sharing JL,
This could be an online version for your system,
but with little modifications, no necessary wait the trigger
just bet on that 7 streets, and if lose keep adding the new
streets. So bet first on 7 str, if lose bet on 8 streets, if lose
bet on 9 streets. On the last two progrs. steps cover the 0.
EX:
1. 0,20 x 7 -1,4 +1
2. 1 x 8 +2,3 (w on the 8 str.)
0,30 on 0 -9,7 +1,1 (w on 0)
3. 5 x 9 +3,3 ( w on 9 str.)
2 on 0 -56,7 +15,3 ( w on 0)
Cheers
It can work without a trigger if you can afford 140 points 7,14,35,84 I would go straight after youve got 7 ive never seen that lose but you need the bankroll.
so if i understand it i have to wait for 7 different streets to hit.
and then wait for one of the other 5 to hit and then bet my 7 streets for a max loss of 56 ?
d
Quote from: Post on Mar 07, 01:37 PM 2011
So if I understand it I have to wait for 7 different streets to hit.
and then wait for one of the other 5 to hit and then bet my 7 streets for a max loss of 56 ?
Yes Post the thing I havent made clear in my first post is THEY MUST BE 7 Consecutive DIFFERENT STREETS. there must be NO REPEATERS. The power idea of this is its close to impossible for random to hit ALL 12 STREETS IN 12 SPINS.
its often hard to even get 5 different streets without a repeater. Like i said if you can affor140 points you can skip the trigger and commence betting as soon as you have SEVEN UNIQUE STREETS. This is almost invincible played this way RANDOM has to hit one of those 7 before it gets to 11
i this possible to play live or do you need to wait to long for a trigger ?
QuoteI(6) You play two games per TEMPLATE 7 ,BEFORE RESETTING. So for example if you win your first bet you now have 4 streets remaining. You again wait for a TRIGGER which will leave 3 streets and then play one more game by betting on your TEMPLATE. If you win this your session with that TEMPLATE IS OVER. You reset and go again.
If I win my first bet on 3. step progression i have only 2 streets remaining. So for second bet i wait one of this 2 remaining streets as trigger?
Test on BetVoyager No Zero table:
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Thanks JohnLegend :thumbsup:
As I understand it it must come 7 single streets no repeat between? e.g.. 2,6,4,7,8,1,12 now I can bet those streets if one of them repeats? Or I bet those 5 remaining streets?
It remains me on one of my systems for 12 streets long time ago.
Thanks Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Mar 08, 06:48 PM 2011
As I understand it it must come 7 single streets no repeat between? e.g.. 2,6,4,7,8,1,12 now I can bet those streets if one of them repeats? Or I bet those 5 remaining streets?
It remains me on one of my systems for 12 streets long time ago.
Thanks Hermes
Yes you bet the 7 unique streets, either straight away if you want to bet a four step progression 7/14/35/84 or you wait for one of the five remaining streets to hit then go for a 3 step progression. The idea is its close to impossible for random to hit 12 unique streets in 12 spins even 11 is rare. and there are nearly always repeats on the first 7 before you have 10 streets hit. Random has certain limits find out what they are and the game becomes a lot more beatable.
Another way you could play it is one bet on the seven streets if you dont get it you wait for another seven and go again in my records ive never seen more than three in a row without an instant win.
yesterday i had this 6-9-2-10-11-12-4-bet then-5-7-1-3
i played with full progression 4 steps
is this a LOSS ?
Hi Post
After 7 consecutive seperate streets you should bet in your example 6-9-2-10-11-12-4, using either a 3 or 4 step progression and hope for a repeat of any of the previous 7 streets
Hope that helps
Gordon ;D
so that means i lost ?
"Yesterday I had this 6-9-2-10-11-12-4-bet then-5-7-1-3
I played with full progression 4 steps"
Hi Post
You mentioned that you bet on "5-7-1-3" after 6-9-2-10-11-12-4 instaed of betting on "6-9-2-10-11-12-4" ?
If they were actual numbers then they would be streets 2-3-1-4-4-4-2 and that does not qualify as 7 seperate streets so no bets should be placed
Gordon
Wow I have never seen 7 unique streets, 12 unique is almost impossible.
Stuart
From own experience, I built many years ago a system for streets only I bet the opposite way.
When street came I bet it and when next spin came different street I bet than 2 streets next spin and so on. Repeat of street was a win betting against appearance of unique streets. I had a progression for 8 spins but it was very expensive progression $ 2,700 bankroll for 8 spins. I never saw more than 8 single streets in row in 5,000 spins.
What result Post is showing must be on RNGs, not on live wheels. It is even not easy to get 7 spins of unique streets. During 12 spins 2 streets will repeat, that's a norm (Ales system).
Hermes
No I already transferd al the numbers into streets, this were 11 different streets mate
so I had lost I thought?
and no its not RNG just my first 100 spins i tested from spielbank wiebaden LIVE SPINS
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With those numbers it would be a loss if you bet straight away after your 7 seperate spins but if you waited for the extra spin as John mentioned you would have won if you played the 4 step progression,
To get 11 seperate streets is extremely rare but thats all part of the game, and if you're brave you could go for a 5 step progression for a BR of 350 units which will cover 11 seperate streets hitting
Gordon
maybe its an idea to play with one trigger and a 4 step progression ?
Is it right that a street bets pays out 12 times the bet so if bet one you win 12 ?
Plus you get the original chip back as I recall, is that correct guys.
Stuart
i have been testing this methode today i had a 7 different streets on the first spins and had a second oppertunity to bet in the next 10 spins so i guess they do happen now and then :D
Hi Post
It pays 11 to 1 so if you win on your 1st bet you gain 5 units (11 minus your 6 lost bets)
I've been testing it on BV No Zero (1000 spins) with the following results betting after 7 seperate streets without the trigger
44 1st Progression +5
13 2nd Progression +3
10 3rd Progression +4
6 4th Progression +4
Total of 73 bet sessions although this was tracking back every spin so occasionally you can bet 4 times within 8 spins as each time you have a win you can look back over the previous spins and plot another 7 seperate streets instead of starting from scratch
Hope that makes sense
Gordon
Hello everyone,
I have been researching this system and it looks very good. May I receive your thoughts about the following ideas.
1) Why is it not possible to play the TEMPLEX 7 system after 7 streets have been landed including repeats? (not waiting for 7 unique streets
2) If you wait until 7 streets have been hit including repeats, what are the chances/odds that one of the remaining 5 streets will land within 11 spins?
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 09, 09:00 PM 2011
Wow I have never seen 7 unique streets, 12 unique is almost impossible.
Stuart
Yeah its not impossible but very very rare. It always comes down to PATIENCE. Say you could wait for 8 unique streets before you started. But what im suggesting to those of you who cant risk a large BR, is to one shot every 7 uniique streets instead of betting to conclusion.After you see one set fail to win INSTANTLY. So for example
2,1,9,3,6,12,4 next spin street 5 hit thats your trigger. You now wait for another 7 unique streets and bet them. FOUR IN A ROW not to hit INSTANTLY is rare.
so you wait for 7 unique streets and a different trigger so you could lose if this happens:
1324658-9=trigger 10-11-12-11 or 10-10-11-11
I have played this today and it has some real Merit to the method.
Plus you can backtrack for the streets that have no repeats for your next round.
Hermes what do you think of this Idea.
Stuart
Or wait for 7 different streets to show up but than wait (trigger) until one of them repeats and than bet the 6 left unique streets only?
Hermes
Quote from: Gordonline on Mar 10, 08:29 AM 2011
To get 11 separate streets is extremely rare but that's all part of the game, and if you're brave you could go for a 5 step progression for a BR of 350 units which will cover 11 separate streets hitting
Does that progression cover the 0 Gordon and would you care to post it please?
There is another way to play this method if you want FASTER TURNOVER. You literally reverse the process.
1, Record FIVE UNIQUE STREETS
2,The sixth spin MUST be a repeat of one of these 5. Doing this can give you multiple qualifiers in a shorter period of time as you can backtrack after a win more easily.
3,You now cover the remaining 7 streets using the regular progression 7,14,35,(84)
4, The strikerate for winning in the first two steps of this variation of TEMPLATE 7 is good. I've won an average of 12/1 using this. Which would make a two step progression (21 points risk) workable with a return averaging double your risk, for those who don't want to risk too much. ITS ALWAYS ABOUT STRIKERATE PEOPLE. If its good enough overall you will profit.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 11, 02:52 AM 2011
There is another way to play this method if you want FASTER TURNOVER. You literally reverse the process.
1, Record FIVE UNIQUE STREETS
2,The sixth spin MUST be a repeat of one of these 5. Doing this can give you multiple qualifiers in a shorter period of time as you can backtrack after a win more easily.
3,You now cover the remaining 7 streets using the regular progression 7,14,35,(84)
4, The strikerate for winning in the first two steps of this variation of TEMPLATE 7 is good. I've won an average of 12/1 using this. Which would make a two step progression (21 points risk) workable with a return averaging double your risk, for those who don't want to risk too much. You can also play extra safe and wait for two repeats on your 5 UNIQUE STREETS if your previous game won on step one. ITS ALWAYS ABOUT STRIKERATE PEOPLE. If its good enough overall you will profit.
I played this last night for about for hours wow is all I can say.
Yes it can lose, but yes it sure can win also, I lost three times in a row but in Roulette anything can happen, and sometimes does.
I even had eight fresh streets and lost on that.
That was just a bit of NYC pothole fun lol, but later the system came around and big time.
I wait for seven new streets for the round then when they show I bet on the same seven to repeat.
Stuart
Just to make sure i get the basics right...
What is to be done if you have 12,9,7,7 so you star everything again, tracking new seven streets ? or you just ignore the repeated streat and continue looking for the remaining five as per example above?
Also, when you have 7, 4,0 do you start again tracking new seven streets or just ignore the 0 and continue looking for the remaining five streets as per example above?
Vundarosa
Quote from: bikemotorman on Mar 11, 08:55 AM 2011
I played this last night for about for hours wow is all I can say.
Yes it can lose, but yes it sure can win also, I lost three times in a row but in Roulette anything can happen, and sometimes does.
I even had eight fresh streets and lost on that.
That was just a bit of NYC pothole fun LoL, but later the system came around and big time.
I wait for seven new streets for the round then when they show I bet on the same seven to repeat.
Stuart
Its all about strikerate Stuart, there is no method with a regular betting frequency that doesn't lose. The question is can it hit often enough to produce an overall gain/profit.
I treat random like a rebelious teenager that doesn't like being told what to do. Give it a set rigid format and it will skirt around it long enough for you to exploit it. Before its pulled into line and conforms. Heres a simple example if you wrote down a set pattern like this for dozens 313313
Now you wrote down random spins in rows of six directly under that pattern. It might surprise you how infrequently random could produce it. Of course it would be decoded eventually. But its how you take advantage of all the times it doesn't get matched. that's what its all about. It took a live wheel 294 lines to match THAT SET PATTERN And I'm now another
174 unmatched lines since then. Food for THOUGHT?
Our goal should be to exploit findings like this...
Hi Eluka
This 5 step progression I would only suggest if playing (Bet Voyager No Zero)
1, 2, 5, 12, 29, which would give you the following profit
Prgression 1 +5
Prgression 1 +3
Prgression 1 +4
Prgression 1 +4
Prgression 1 +5
Total BR required 343 units, I mentioned 350 in the post as I rounded the last bet to 30 units per street just for simplicity which equals to a +10 unit profit on the last bet
The 5th progression would be extremely rare as if you lost that bet you're simply having a bad day at the office,
Gordon
Apologies should read
Prgression 1 +5
Prgression 2 +3
Prgression 3 +4
Prgression 4 +4
Prgression 5 +5
Gordon
Quote from: Gordonline on Mar 11, 11:26 AM 2011
Hi Eluka
This 5 step progression I would only suggest if playing (Bet Voyager No Zero)
1, 2, 5, 12, 29, which would give you the following profit
Prgression 1 +5
Prgression 1 +3
Prgression 1 +4
Prgression 1 +4
Prgression 1 +5
Total BR required 343 units, I mentioned 350 in the post as I rounded the last bet to 30 units per street just for simplicity which equals to a +10 unit profit on the last bet
The 5th progression would be extremely rare as if you lost that bet you're simply having a bad day at the office,
Gordon
The trick is to find a balance between RISK AND REWARD. Since all methods will lose at some point we want the shortest, easiest route to recovery. The idea of recovering 21 points will be alot more appealing than several hundred. Freak runs can and will occur. Although a PURE 12 STREETS IN 12 SPINS is close to impossible. Its ALWAYS a question of patience. I have seen a few runs of 10 pure unique streets, never More than that before a repeater. ITS ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS FOR RANDOM TO DO ON THE WHEEL.
The HARDEST OF COURSE BEING 37 NUMBERS IN 37 SPINS IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: vundarosa on Mar 11, 11:03 AM 2011
Just to make sure I get the basics right...
What is to be done if you have 12,9,7,7 so you star everything again, tracking new seven streets ? or you just ignore the repeated streat and continue looking for the remaining five as per example above?
Also, when you have 7, 4,0 do you start again tracking new seven streets or just ignore the 0 and continue looking for the remaining five streets as per example above?
Vundarosa
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Anyone?! :question:
Quote from: Gordonline on Mar 11, 11:26 AM 2011
Hi Eluka
This 5 step progression I would only suggest if playing (Bet Voyager No Zero)
1, 2, 5, 12, 29, which would give you the following profit
Prgression 1 +5
Prgression 1 +3
Prgression 1 +4
Prgression 1 +4
Prgression 1 +5
Total BR required 343 units, I mentioned 350 in the post as I rounded the last bet to 30 units per street just for simplicity which equals to a +10 unit profit on the last bet
The 5th progression would be extremely rare as if you lost that bet you're simply having a bad day at the office,
Gordon
Cheers for that Gordon. Though for some reason I thought you implied this would cover the 8th 9th 10th and 11th street should they come up. Now that would be a 99.9999% bulletproof progression (with the zero covered) but very expensive. I've tried to make a start on it and it's horrendously expensive actually.
Personally, I think this will lose too often. I love the idea that 12 streets won't come up in 12 spins just like 37 numbers can't appear in 37 spins. But I've already seen from my own tests and numbers that the original 7 streets tracked are sometimes left standing out in the cold while the 8th or 9th streets repeat after 9 or 10 spins (or a zero hits).
E
To elaborate on that idea, with the 0 covered:
1 unit x 7streets = +4
3 units x 8streets = +2
14 units x 9streets = +3
To cover 10 streets and turn a profit takes around 100 units per street!
If a 0 hits it's +28, +38 and +15 respectively. And this is just covering 9 streets, to cover 10 or 11 would blow most table limits. Total BR is about 165 units for 9 streets and to see 10 unique streets would be very rare but hard to recover.
Makes John's reverse idea seem a lot nicer eh?
Another idea I had a quick glance at was just playing the last 4 or 5 streets continuously with a mild progression - doesn't look too bad.
Sorry to John for hijacking his thread with all these ideas ::)
E
Quote from: vundarosa on Mar 11, 03:49 PM 2011
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Anyone?! :question:
Ignore the zero but with the two sevens
you begin retracking from the second seven Vundarosa..
Quote from: eluka on Mar 11, 08:25 PM 2011
To elaborate on that idea, with the 0 covered:
1 unit x 7streets = +4
3 units x 8streets = +2
14 units x 9streets = +3
To cover 10 streets and turn a profit takes around 100 units per street!
If a 0 hits it's +28, +38 and +15 respectively. And this is just covering 9 streets, to cover 10 or 11 would blow most table limits. Total BR is about 165 units for 9 streets and to see 10 unique streets would be very rare but hard to recover.
Makes John's reverse idea seem a lot nicer eh?
Another idea I had a quick glance at was just playing the last 4 or 5 streets continuously with a mild progression - doesn't look too bad.
Sorry to John for hijacking his thread with all these ideas ::)
E
Eluka I like your thinking with the progressions and they would work if you bet Once then left it alone. Come back later and do it again. THERE IS ANOTHER WAY. In my real play and testing for the reverse method I've NEVER seen more than FOUR repeats on the tracked FIVE UNIQUE STREETS, before a FRESH STREET OR ZERO gets hit. This is from 650 games.
That would indicate to me that 10 is a very significant number with TEMPLATE 7. It would appear to be randoms VIRTUAL LIMIT. And represent the biting point/change point.
What can we do to EXPLOITE THATÂÃ,¿? I have a saying *ITS BETTER TO WAIT FOR SUCCESS, THAN RUSH TO FAILURE*. Now in my testing Instant wins and wins that occur on the second third or fourth step of the progression are about a 40/60 split to every 100 games played. That means 60% of the wins take place between STEP TWO AND STEP FOUR of the progression.
My thinking is to wait for TWO REPEATERS on the FIVE unique streets then begin YOUR FOUR STEP PROGRESSION. In effect you now have an extra insurance bet should a fluke occur. And you still only have 140 points at risk for a method that would rarely lose IF EVER.
What about mark 7 unique streets wait until one repeats and than bet anyway the 5 remaining sleepers?
Hermes
Quote from: Hermes on Mar 12, 05:30 PM 2011
What about mark 7 unique streets wait until one repeats and than bet anyway the 5 remaining sleepers?
Hermes
This might work IF the repeat comes on the 8th spin, remember the bigger the sample of previously hit streets. The more likely multi repeats are plus ZEROS before a fresh street is hit. Thats why TEMPLATE 7 is looking near invincible going after the template seven after five unique streets and two repeaters on them...
hello john,
Are you still playing this system????? have now been playin for roughly 30 hours on dublinbet, it has stayed very solid.Does not go past 5 bets.
Waiting for 2 repeats in 5 numbers and also waiting for for 7 unique numbers then betting for 8th number for 6 bets. This is also very solid.
Surprised this dropped so quickly down the board.
Have you dropped this ??? ??? ???
Quote from: macduff on Mar 22, 02:36 PM 2011
Hello john,
Are you still playing this system????? have now been playin for roughly 30 hours on dublinbet, it has stayed very solid.Does not go past 5 bets.
Waiting for 2 repeats in 5 numbers and also waiting for for 7 unique numbers then betting for 8th number for 6 bets. This is also very solid.
Surprised this dropped so quickly down the board.
Have you dropped this ??? ??? ???
[/quot-! Hi Mcduff Any method I promote on a forum I 100% believe in or it never makes it past me. TEMPLATE 7 is a marvel and will always be one off my TOP FIVE METHODS.
What many members on this forum lack Mcduff is the most ESSENTIAL thing necessary to beat roulette PATIENCE. This method requires that. Plus to play it properly and cover the Zero requires 168 points. But on a live wheel il tell ya. This method can win more than 500/1. I get a little frustrated sometimes Mcduff, you can hand someone a virtual grail, miracle on a plate. But theyve still got realize what theyve been given and put some effort into testing it as you have. Well done for your persistence.
And as a result you're beginning to understand how special this is. Random not only cannot hit
37 numbers in 37 spins or 12 streets in 12. Its not too fond of hitting all the permutations of a 3 spin E/C pattern either. When you're ready I will deliver my Second most successful method ever PATTERN BREAKER. Its similar to TEMPLATE 7 but requires a fraction of the risk.
Elimination methods destroy roulette plain and simple, random cannot cope with precise order. I'm surprised as well Mcduff more people cannot see that.
Thanks for the quick reply :thumbsup:
Think that this has now gone past being just luck, another 3 hour session to nite, and random did not disappoint.
In the time testing 12 streets have hit once, but waiting for 7streets then betting for an 8th street makes 12 in a row a joy to behold.
It really is amazing how repeats bunch and unique streets also bunch. Playing for the two triggers means tracking time is not to bad, and you are ready to bet on both.
I have not been covering the zero which is the only time you feel under threat with your progression, well so far anyway.
Progression has gone past 6 once while looking for the 8th number, so odds as they stand for me are 35-1 on blowing progression, which i would say are very good odds.
Could you explain your progression as i am starting with .50-1-2.5-6-15=175 for 7 numbers..50-1-2-4-6-12 for 5 numbers=137.5
This results in 35-55units per hour session, this can take 35mins.
Thanks again John for posting a right little cracker. 8)
Quote from: macduff on Mar 22, 09:21 PM 2011
Thanks for the quick reply :thumbsup:
Think that this has now gone past being just luck, another 3 hour session to nite, and random did not disappoint.
In the time testing 12 streets have hit once, but waiting for 7streets then betting for an 8th street makes 12 in a row a joy to behold.
It really is amazing how repeats bunch and unique streets also bunch. Playing for the two triggers means tracking time is not to bad, and you are ready to bet on both.
I have not been covering the zero which is the only time you feel under threat with your progression, well so far anyway.
Progression has gone past 6 once while looking for the 8th number, so odds as they stand for me are 35-1 on blowing progression, which I would say are very good odds.
Could you explain your progression as I am starting with .50-1-2.5-6-15=175 for 7 numbers..50-1-2-4-6-12 for 5 numbers=137.5
This results in 35-55units per hour session, this can take 35mins.
Thanks again John for posting a right little cracker. 8)
You are welcome. Yes for turnover TEMPLATE 7 is better than the Matrix. But not as invincible. Heres exactly how I play
1, Wait for FIVE UNIQUE STREETS. followed by two repeats on those five. THEN
STEP 1 7PTS+5 OR -7
STEP 2 14 PTS +4 OR -21
STEP 3 35 PTS +4 OR -56
STEP 4 84 PTS +4 OR -140
Most of my wins come on the firsr or second step. Ive been taken to step 4 6 times but never lost..
Quote from: macduff on Mar 22, 02:36 PM 2011
Hello john,
Are you still playing this system????? have now been playin for roughly 30 hours on dublinbet, it has stayed very solid.Does not go past 5 bets.
Waiting for 2 repeats in 5 numbers and also waiting for for 7 unique numbers then betting for 8th number for 6 bets. This is also very solid.
Surprised this dropped so quickly down the board.
Have you dropped this ??? ??? ???
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i for one see the potential for such method having tested it with real spins from live casinos. I however cannot bring myself to play it because the progressions do not make betting easy and fast enough on a live table. The timing is just too short to go around every stake and place the correct amount
(The same could be said for other table methods I come accross)
Vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Mar 24, 01:10 AM 2011
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i for one see the potential for such method having tested it with real spins from live casinos. I however cannot bring myself to play it because the progressions do not make betting easy and fast enough on a live table. The timing is just too short to go around every stake and place the correct amount
(The same could be said for other table methods I come accross)
Vundarosa
You are only covering 7 streets VUNDAROSA, 7X1 and 7x2 most of the time.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 24, 01:27 AM 2011
You are only covering 7 streets VUNDAROSA, 7X1 and 7x2 most of the time.
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but not with your 4 step progression.... or the ones posted before
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Mar 24, 01:49 AM 2011
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but not with your 4 step progression.... or the ones posted before
vundarosa
Which ones? There has only ever been 7 streets to cover thats why its called TEMPLATE 7. I think you misunderstood somerhing.
Been playing this at the casino for that last 2 weeks,. . . and doing REALLY good. thanks john
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4344. msg43727#msg43727 date=1300931146
You are welcome. Yes for turnover TEMPLATE 7 is better than the Matrix. But not as invincible. Heres exactly how I play
1, Wait for FIVE UNIQUE STREETS. followed by two repeats on those five. THEN
STEP 1 7PTS+5 OR -7
STEP 2 14 PTS +4 OR -21
STEP 3 35 PTS +4 OR -56
STEP 4 84 PTS +4 OR -140
Most of my wins come on the firsr or second step. I've been taken to step 4 6 times but never lost. .
i will be playing this for the next couple weeks,. . . ill let you know how i do. . .
john, i am playing the 0 and 00, how would you cover those?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 23, 09:45 PM 2011
You are welcome. Yes for turnover TEMPLATE 7 is better than the Matrix. But not as invincible. Heres exactly how I play
1, Wait for FIVE UNIQUE STREETS. followed by two repeats on those five. THEN
STEP 1 7PTS+5 OR -7
STEP 2 14 PTS +4 OR -21
STEP 3 35 PTS +4 OR -56
STEP 4 84 PTS +4 OR -140
Most of my wins come on the firsr or second step. I've been taken to step 4 6 times but never lost..
Don't we wait for 7 unique streets?
Quote from: incekt on Mar 24, 03:14 AM 2011
Been playing this at the casino for that last 2 weeks,. . . and doing REALLY good. thanks john
You are welcome. anything I push on a forum works or I dont push it trust me on that guys I do my homework. TEMPLATE SEVEN will never leave my top five methods list, its fantastic. SO LONG AS YOU ARE *PATIENT*.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 24, 07:28 AM 2011
You are welcome. anything I push on a forum works or I don't push it trust me on that guys I do my homework. TEMPLATE SEVEN will never leave my top five methods list, its fantastic. SO LONG AS YOU ARE *PATIENT*.
Hi Johnlegend.
What is the full rules to the system.
Should i play like you say in page 1?
Best Jon :)
And when tracking the different streets and the zero hit do we start over or ignore the zero?
Jon :)
Quote from: incekt on Mar 24, 03:21 AM 2011
John, I am playing the 0 and 00, how would you cover those?
I wouldnt geez cant you find a European wheel to play on? 1 zero is bad enough.
Hello everyone,
Ater be busted two times in a short period playing this system, I play it now in a different way
I wait for five different streets and one repeater on the 6e spin in one of these five streets if the 6e spin is another different street we still wait for a repeater in the new last five different streets. Once there is a repeater in one of these five streets I bet the seven remaining streets + the street with the repeater (eight streets one unit) = total 8 units on a win + 4units.
If the 7e spin is again a repeater on one of the four remainig streets of the five beginning streets than I bet the previous eight streets + the street with the last repeater with a proression: 9 streets with 5 units = 45 units on a win + 7 units If I ame unluckly and there is again a repeater on one of the remaining tree of the beginning five streets I bet for the 3e and last time the nine previous streets + the street with the last repeater = 10 streets with 15 units = 150 units on win + 7 units.
I play this system now for a while with very nice profits and without being busted so far.
Till now I have never lose a progression, sometimes a hit on the 3e and last progression but never bused.
Maby I ame just lucky or maby it is a nice system.
I play it on William Hill casino Live dealer never RNG.
There You can try it before with 10cent chips and when it is well working for you up to 0,50 of 1âââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬ chips
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 24, 10:52 AM 2011
I wouldnt geez can't you find a European wheel to play on? 1 zero is bad enough.
haha! no sh!t... I wish - the two casinos by my house only have the 00 :(
Quote from: incekt on Mar 24, 01:00 PM 2011
haha! no sh!t... I wish - the two casinos by my house only have the 00 :(
Okay in that case id have to sacrifice profit for security check what id do
1,FIVE UNIQUE STREETS
2,TWO REPEATERS (MUST BE SPIN 6 AND 7)
3, STEP 1 7X1+5 OR -7
4, STEP 2 7X3 +2 FOR ZEROS +6 OR -30
5 STEP 3 7X8 +6 FOR ZEROS +4 OR +14 FOR ZEROS OR -92
6 STEP 4 7X25 +16 FOR ZEROS +17 OR + 5 FOR ZEROS OR -283
Big risk but ive never seen six repeats on the five unique streets BEFORE A ZERO OR NEW STREET GETS HIT. So I believe youd win 200/1 easily with this.
Quote from: LouisV on Mar 24, 12:31 PM 2011
Hello everyone,
Ater be busted two times in a short period playing this system, I play it now in a different way
I wait for five different streets and one repeater on the 6e spin in one of these five streets if the 6e spin is another different street we still wait for a repeater in the new last five different streets. Once there is a repeater in one of these five streets I bet the seven remaining streets + the street with the repeater (eight streets one unit) = total 8 units on a win + 4units.
If the 7e spin is again a repeater on one of the four remainig streets of the five beginning streets than I bet the previous eight streets + the street with the last repeater with a proression: 9 streets with 5 units = 45 units on a win + 7 units If I ame unluckly and there is again a repeater on one of the remaining tree of the beginning five streets I bet for the 3e and last time the nine previous streets + the street with the last repeater = 10 streets with 15 units = 150 units on win + 7 units.
I play this system now for a while with very nice profits and without being busted so far.
Till now I have never lose a progression, sometimes a hit on the 3e and last progression but never bused.
Maby I ame just lucky or maby it is a nice system.
I play it on William Hill casino Live dealer never RNG.
There You can try it before with 10cent chips and when it is well working for you up to 0,50 of 1âââ,¬Å¡Ã,¬ chips
How exactly were you playing to get busted twice LOUISV. I have 179 straight wins at present playing the way I do covering ZERO from step 2-4. 6 CONSECUTIVE REPEATERS STRAIGHT on the FIVE UNIQUE streets should happen very seldom. A friend of mine who plays nothing but this method has a winning streak of 366 at present. Once you have zero covered winning streaks should be in the 100s.
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4344. msg43820#msg43820 date=1300988855
How exactly were you playing to get busted twice LOUISV. I have 179 straight wins at present playing the way I do covering ZERO from step 2-4. 6 CONSECUTIVE REPEATERS STRAIGHT on the FIVE UNIQUE streets should happen very seldom. A friend of mine who plays nothing but this method has a winning streak of 366 at present. Once you have zero covered winning streaks should be in the 100s.
Hi John,
I always play on William Hill Casino Live Wheel so in the beginning I have played the first way of the template 7 system (seven different streets then trigger and then bet these seven streets with progression) but I was luckless and has 5 more hits in the remaining five streets= result LOSS
So I started to play the second way of the template 7 system ( five different streets - trigger- and then play the seven remainig streets with progression and once again I was luckles because five more hits in the first five streets came up. result LOSS
that's the reason that I play it now the way I have explained above.
With that system you may have 4 repeaters in the first five streets and still win if the repeaters are not each time in a different street of the first five what is very very seldom, until now I have not seen it yet.
O what I do also is to place 6 units on the 0 on the third and last progression. (better win only 1 unit than lose it all)
Greatings
Quote from: LouisV on Mar 25, 07:03 AM 2011
Hi John,
I always play on William Hill Casino Live Wheel so in the beginning I have played the first way of the template 7 system (seven different streets then trigger and then bet these seven streets with progression) but I was luckless and has 5 more hits in the remaining five streets= result LOSS
So I started to play the second way of the template 7 system ( five different streets - trigger- and then play the seven remainig streets with progression and once again I was luckles because five more hits in the first five streets came up. result LOSS
that's the reason that I play it now the way I have explained above.
With that system you may have 4 repeaters in the first five streets and still win if the repeaters are not each time in a different street of the first five what is very very seldom, until now I have not seen it yet.
O what I do also is to place 6 units on the 0 on the third and last progression. (better win only 1 unit than lose it all)
Greatings
Okay one trigger is not safe TWO REPEATS and a five step plan covering the ZERO would be close to invincible with a ridiculous strikerate in the 1000s.
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4344. msg43904#msg43904 date=1301052774
Okay one trigger is not safe TWO REPEATS and a five step plan covering the ZERO would be close to invincible with a ridiculous strikerate in the 1000s.
Two repeats in the five streets before betting, that seems better John.
Hopefully it will not take too long to have eacht time the five streets + the two repeaters?
What I have noticed is that when I play after the five streets and one trigger the seven remaining streets + the street of the trigger = 8 streets and on a mis these eight streets + again the last hitting street = nine streets, the winning comes many times in these two bets.
Rarely I go too the third progression. (ten streets)
Anyway, I go to play this two repeaters system virtuel a long side the system I play now and see witch system is most profitabel.
Why in your progression you play 3 times the 0 John (beginning on the 2e bet) and not only on the last two bets off the progression?
Greatings
Quote from: LouisV on Mar 25, 08:53 AM 2011
OTwo repeats in the five streets before betting, that seems better John.
Hopefully it will not take too long to have eacht time the five streets + the two repeaters?
What I have noticed is that when I play after the five streets and one trigger the seven remaining streets + the street of the trigger = 8 streets and on a mis these eight streets + again the last hitting street = nine streets, the winning comes many times in these two bets.
Rarely I go too the third progression. (ten streets)
OAnyway, I go to play this two repeaters system virtuel a long side the system I play now and see witch system is most profitabel.
Why in your progression you play 3 times the 0 John (beginning on the 2e bet) and not only on the last two bets off the progression?
Greatings
Two repear triggers is the way to go. Like I said put a 5 step progression on the end of two repeats WITH THE ZERO COVERED and TEMPLATE 7 goes nuclear. It will have a ridiculous strikerate. My four step progression has never lost in nearly 200 games even when ZERO hit.
Hello to all.
Have now played johns system for 60 hours, two repeats in 5 unique numbers has not gone past 5 bets..5-1-2.5-6-14.Waiting and playing for another unique number after 7 numbers has gone past 5.it has gone to 7 bets once.
I have seen one street hit 5 times in a row,this could have hurt if i had been betting.
Have been testing on dublin bet, so have not been covering the zero as lowest bet is .50.
John this is very very solid,the biggest problem is not getting complacent and not focusing as this feels like a formality.
Pity more people are not testing this, or maybe they are.
Could any one tell me the best live wheel with the lowest unit start, and also if you are allowed free spins without betting. Also if they give out free money to all(only kiddin about that bit). :question: :question: :question:
Quote from: macduff on Mar 29, 03:57 PM 2011
Hello to all.
Have now played johns system for 60 hours, two repeats in 5 unique numbers has not gone past 5 bets..5-1-2.5-6-14.Waiting and playing for another unique number after 7 numbers has gone past 5.it has gone to 7 bets once.
I have seen one street hit 5 times in a row,this could have hurt if I had been betting.
Have been testing on dublin bet, so have not been covering the zero as lowest bet is .50.
John this is very very solid,the biggest problem is not getting complacent and not focusing as this feels like a formality.
IPity more people are not testing this, or maybe they are.
Could any one tell me the best live wheel with the lowest unit start, and also if you are allowed free spins without betting. Also if they give out free money to all(only kiddin about that bit). :question: :question: :question:
Mcduff its time will come, I Am about to post up another GRAIL LOL so il get back to you soon properly. One tip though NEVER PLAY MORE THAN 6 GAMES IN A ROW.
If you win 5 and really want to play on get more picky. YOY NOW MUST HAVE 3 REPEATS ON FIVE UNIQUE NUMBERS. Tag a FIVE STEP progression on that with ZERO covered. Might be as INVINCIBLE as the SYSTEM Im about to post up.....
Could any one tell me the best live wheel with the lowest unit start, and also if you are allowed free spins without betting.
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@macduff
try airball at paddypower. its 0.1c min.
eurogrand live wheel is also 0.1c min
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Mar 30, 03:20 AM 2011
Could any one tell me the best live wheel with the lowest unit start, and also if you are allowed free spins without betting.
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@macduff
try airball at paddypower. its 0.1c min.
eurogrand live wheel is also 0.1c min
vundarosa
thanks :thumbsup:
will have a look.
Quote from: eluka on Mar 11, 08:25 PM 2011
To elaborate on that idea, with the 0 covered:
1 unit x 7streets = +4
3 units x 8streets = +2
14 units x 9streets = +3
To cover 10 streets and turn a profit takes around 100 units per street!
If a 0 hits it's +28, +38 and +15 respectively. And this is just covering 9 streets, to cover 10 or 11 would blow most table limits. Total BR is about 165 units for 9 streets and to see 10 unique streets would be very rare but hard to recover.
Makes John's reverse idea seem a lot nicer eh?
Another idea I had a quick glance at was just playing the last 4 or 5 streets continuously with a mild progression - doesn't look too bad.
Sorry to John for hijacking his thread with all these ideas ::)
E
Sorry for rehashing this "old" thread, but i have seriously never lost using
Eluka's method,...
my idea/modification though- would be, what if instead of tracking the streets
we tracked 4 unique sectors and then bet those, plus the next ones that came up
using a progression?...somthing like this...
8 units x 4 sectors (8 splits)
? units x 5 sectors
? units x 6 sectors
? units x 7 sectors
? units x 8 sectors?
i need someone to help me w/ the math because that is what i am the worst at :(
Quote from: incekt on Apr 14, 02:47 AM 2011
Sorry for rehashing this "old" thread, but I have seriously never lost using
Eluka's method,...
my idea/modification though- would be, what if instead of tracking the streets
we tracked 4 unique sectors and then bet those, plus the next ones that came up
using a progression?...somthing like this...
8 units x 4 sectors (8 splits)
? units x 5 sectors
? units x 6 sectors
? units x 7 sectors
? units x 8 sectors?
i need someone to help me w/ the math because that is what I am the worst at :(
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I think this is a bit of what F_LAT_INO is doing here link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/promised-constant-winning-bet/870/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/promised-constant-winning-bet/870/) . He's betting 16 splits thou. Might give you some ideas...
vundarosa
Maybe you need this(I already done this before for Flatino):
Ok, for 5,6,7.....8 sectors
1. 1 x 10spl -10 +8
2. 3 x 12spl -46 +8
3. 15 x 14spl -256 +14
4. Forget about 4th step on 16 splits
goes tooooo high ,over -3000
Sorry but this is the math.....
maybe if start with 6 sectors( 12 splits)
1. 1 x 12spl -12 +6
2. 5 x 14spl -82 +8
3. 50 x 16spl -882 +18 (-882 :o )
Now I try lower bets( for online casinos):
1. 0,20 x 10spl -2 +1,6
2. 0,50 x 12spl -8 +1
3. 3 x 14spl -50 +4
4. 30 x 16spl -530 +10
or from 12 splits:
1. 0,50 x 12spl -6 +3
2. 3 x 14spl -48 +6
3. 25 x 16spl -448 +2
Now I include the 0
Start from 12splits ( 6 sectors):
1. 1 x 12spl -12 +6
2. 5 x 14spl
2 x the 0 -84 +6 on splits( on 0 lose only -12)
3. 50 x 16spl
10 x the 0 -894 +6 on splits( on 0 lose -534)
the 10 x the 0 = 360, so 894-360 = 534
We can t recover all on 0 (impossible) also if bet more chips
on 0 we remain without profit on splits. If we don't bet on 0
in the third step profit is +16 and lose is -884 .
And the other one progression:
1. 2 x 12 spl
1 x the 0 -25 +11 on splits( +11 on the 0)
2. 10 x 14spl
5 x the 0 -170 +10 on splits( +10 on the 0)
3. 100 x 16spl
20 x the 0 -1790 +10 on splits( on the 0 lost -1070)
the 20 x the 0 = 720, so 1790-720 = 1070
If we bet more chips on 0 no profit on splits ( and anyway will
not recover all if we bet 30 chips on the 0 ).
If we don't bet the 0 on the last step , lost -1770, profit +30 .
Also if we don't bet the 0 on the last step , can bet( the last step):
3. 90 x 16spl -1610 +10 on splits ( on 0 lost 1610)
cheers
And Incekt you probably have not seen this,
Quote from: Kattila on Mar 07, 10:56 AM 2011
Thanks for sharing JL,
This could be an online version for your system,
but with little modifications, no necessary wait the trigger
just bet on that 7 streets, and if lose keep adding the new
streets. So bet first on 7 str, if lose bet on 8 streets, if lose
bet on 9 streets. On the last two progrs. steps cover the 0.
EX:
1. 0,20 x 7 -1,4 +1
2. 1 x 8 +2,3 (w on the 8 str.)
0,30 on 0 -9,7 +1,1 (w on 0)
3. 5 x 9 +3,3 ( w on 9 str.)
2 on 0 -56,7 +15,3 ( w on 0)
Cheers
But of course still can lose when hit 10 streets in a row,
maybe after trigger 7 different streets wait 2 or 3 Ls(Ex: WLL, or LL,or LWLL) , then
start to bet that 7 , if lose bet that 7 + the last one ....so on...