I have played roulette for many years, tried many ways of play, some good some not so good this seems to be one of the best continuous play methods ever.
I am a US player so all my play and testing has been on double zero wheels.
In all the play I have used this method and back testing of all my personal recorded results it wins and wins big I haven't even seen a long run of bad results. With that said I only have done manual testing on my own results.
I'm hoping someone here can test it and prove it wins in the long run.
It is based on the magic square of the sun. It uses 6 numbers per spin.
the six numbers used always add up to 111. We are betting on one sixth of the wheel and 111 equals one sixth of the wheel. I think this keeps things from getting to far out balance.
I will post the details of the KEY TO THE SUN method alittle later today.
bigtim - flawed maths. Both the 37 pocket wheel & the 38 pocket wheel both add up to the well known devils number 666 because of the zeros & dbl zeros.
Sure 1/6 of 666 is 111 but it ain't 1/6 of the wheel. 1/6 0f 38 is 6.333 & 1/6 of 37 is 6.168. 1/6th of the wheel x6 will always have 1 or 2 numbers remaining depending if its 37 or 38 pockets, that is one section will have either 7 or 8 numbers.
Whatever method a player uses it's still trying to predict the (immediate) future.
I recall something similar some time back where they used a 6 pointed star drawn onto the wheel to pick their numbers. Other forum members may know more about it & possibly a link ?
Always interested to see someones ideas & I'll keep an eye out for your KEY TO THE SUN method.
I like the sun. :) We get lots of it here in Arizona. Sometimes too much. ??? I'll like it more if it contains the key to a continuous play winning method. :love:
Don't keep us waiting too long, please. :'(
GLC
Here are the details of my method. First I will show what I call Horizontal Sun Numbers.
GROUPS
1) 1 3 6 32 34 35
2) 7 8 11 27 28 30
3) 14 15 16 19 23 24
4) 13 17 18 20 21 22
5) 9 10 12 25 26 29
6) 2 4 5 31 33 36
These are the Vertical Sun Numbers
1) 1 12 13 24 30 31
2) 2 8 17 23 26 35
3) 4 9 15 21 28 34
4) 3 10 16 22 27 33
5) 5 11 14 20 29 32
6) 6 7 18 19 25 36
I start out and look back at the last ten numbers.
Find 2 numbers in the same group line that have hit twice with in 3 spins. This can be 2 numbers from the same line on the vertical group or 2 numbers on the same line in the horizontal group.
Once you pick your group you will bet it till it wins or 10 spins which ever comes first. You will have to use a progression on your betting which I will get into a later.
Once you get a win, your new bet will be the most recent group that has hit at least 2 out of 3 spins. If there isn't a new group, bet the same group again as long as your win came with in 6 spins. If your win didn't come with in 6 spins then play the last group line that hit 2 out of 3 spins on the other grouping Horizontal or Vertical.
This is the betting progression that I use on this method.
Spin 1 1 unit on each
Spin 2 1 unit on each
Spin 3 2 unit on each
Spin 4 2 unit on each
Spin 5 3 unit on each
Spin 6 3 unit on each
Spin 7 4 unit on each
Spin 8 4 unit on each
Spin 9 5 unit on each
Spin 10 6 unit on each
The first 10 steps average about 36 units on each win. The first 10 spin progression uses 186 units.
It takes 5 wins to make up for one loss, this method does pretty well at this level.
But were it really shines is recovery mode when you play for 2 wins after a loss.
The second progression takes about 500 units for a total of approx. 700 units.
2nd progression
Spin 1 3 unit on each
Spin 2 4 unit on each
Spin 3 5 unit on each
Spin 4 6 unit on each
Spin 5 7 unit on each
Spin 6 8 unit on each
Spin 7 10 unit on each
Spin 8 12 unit on each
Spin 9 14 unit on each
Spin 10 17 unit on each
The wins on the second progression are about 100 unit each. 2 wins to make up for previous loss.
If you have any questions I will try to answer them.
I Hope some one can test this method with a testing program to see if it does as well as it appears to in my play and manual testing.
To help track this as I play I have a KEY CARD with all the numbers 1 -36 by each number I show which group each number belongs to in the horizontal group and vertical group.
example
# V H
1 1 1
2 2 6
3 4 1
4 3 6
5 5 6
6 6 1
7 6 2
How did you come up with those groupings?
Hello Marvin
They came from what is call the magic square of the sun. Its a 6 by 6 square where all the rows add up to 111 horizontal and vertically.
If you google magic square of the sun you can see the numbers in the square.
What I hope is happening by using this method is it keeps the numbers more in balance. Not getting the extreme swings that I have encountered on all of the other methods I have used. So far I have not lost using this method. I have back tested it through all the my personal roulette numbers for about the last 9 months of play and I only lost both progressions once in that 9 month testing.
"I start out and look back at the last ten numbers.
Find 2 numbers in the same group line that have hit twice with in 3 spins. "
Regarding the above statement do you mean both of the two numbers have to hit twice within 3 spins in the same line (horizontal or vertical) or do you mean 2 different numbers have to hit once within 3 spins (2 out of 3)?
Hello Dennisbelle
As long as the same line hits twice out of the last 3 spins you can bet it.
Its ok to bet numbers that repeats.
Hope that clears things up.
Quote from: marvin on Dec 09, 04:51 AM 2013
How did you come up with those groupings?
Coinsidence 37 X 3 = 111. (37 numbers with 3SD)
Just tried this on Dublin bet, free play.
Followed it to the letter.
17 and 23 showed together, and i played vertical 2 for ten spins, using the prescribed progression.
It lost 218u
Even in fun mode, that wasnt much fun.
Hi turner
Yes it can lose and does sometimes.
Like mentioned you use a recovery mode after a loss for 2 wins to make up for the loss.
I have only seen one time where you get a loss followed by a loss.
That is were the real strength of this methods comes in. I doesn't lose very often together.
Quote from: bigtim08 on Dec 09, 05:30 PM 2013
Hi turner
Yes it can lose and does sometimes.
Like mentioned you use a recovery mode after a loss for 2 wins to make up for the loss.
I have only seen one time where you get a loss followed by a loss.
That is were the real strength of this methods comes in. I doesn't lose very often together.
Will it be possible to provide spin by spin example and I can make a tracker for you all.
Quote from: bigtim08 on Dec 09, 11:31 AM 2013
Hello Dennisbelle
As long as the same line hits twice out of the last 3 spins you can bet it.
Its ok to bet numbers that repeats.
Hope that clears things up.
Ok, a # repeats in 2 of 3 spins qualifies. So for example, if #11 hits in 2 of 3 spins, do you use Horizontal group 2 or
Vertical Group 5 since both contain 11.
you are not really looking for a repeat number like number 11 twice with in 3 spins although that would qualify. most of the time it will be 2 different numbers in the same group line. I would normally stay in the same horizontal or vertical group I had been betting on. you stay on the same horizontal groups as long as you are winning on that horizontal sections. If on a loss then look to the other in this case vertical sections for your next bet.
I will post a spin by spin of the last session I played at the casino.
Tommorrow once I find my note book I use to record my play
Spun horizontal
number line
29 5
8 2
35 1
8 2 section 2 hit last two out of three spins . Play 2
22 4 L
2 6 L
12 5 L
22 4 L
21 4 L
27 2 W WIN ON SIXTH SPIN. now looking back last 2 out of 3 is line 4 on 4th and 5th spin. now play line 4
31 6 L
00 - L
0 - L
32 1 L
21 4 W WIN ON FIFTH SPIN now look back no new bet so go back to previous win line 4 bet again
24 3 L
24 3 L
25 5 L
19 3 L
16 3 L
3 1 L
27 2 L
5 6 L
11 2 L
30 2 L
16 3 L LOST 10 SPINS look back for new bet. 8th bet & 9th bet were line 2. so bet line2 in recovery mode
3 1 L
9 5 L
14 3 L
27 2 W WIN ON 4TH SPIN no new bet. so stay on line2 (one more win needed in recovery mode)
16 3 L
30 2 W WIN ON 2ND SPIN. look back last 2 out of 3 line 2 so bet line 2 (return to 1st progression)
24 3 L
24 3 L
25 5 L
1 1 L
3 1 L
27 2 W WIN ON 6TH SPIN. look back next bet would be line 1
28 2
Thanks for posting actual spins but what happened to the vertical numbers ?
I played this today with much success, but maybe with my dumb luck I was playing wrong since I used both H and V
numbers.
After each win or loss I look back at both sides and play the most current line that hit 2 out of 3 times horizontal or vertical. If there is no new 2 out of 3 after a win I play the same side and same line I had been playing unless the win came after 6 spins. Then I would set out a few spins until one of the sides has a line hit 2 out of 3 spins.
The session I posted just happen not to involve both sides.
Quote from: bigtim08 on Dec 10, 06:03 PM 2013
Spun horizontal
number line
29 5
8 2
35 1
8 2 section 2 hit last two out of three spins . Play 2
22 4 L
2 6 L
12 5 L
22 4 L
21 4 L
27 2 W WIN ON SIXTH SPIN. now looking back last 2 out of 3 is line 4 on 4th and 5th spin. now play line 4
31 6 L
00 - L
0 - L
32 1 L
21 4 W WIN ON FIFTH SPIN now look back no new bet so go back to previous win line 4 bet again
24 3 L
24 3 L
25 5 L
19 3 L
16 3 L
3 1 L
27 2 L
5 6 L
11 2 L
30 2 L
16 3 L LOST 10 SPINS look back for new bet. 8th bet & 9th bet were line 2. so bet line2 in recovery mode
3 1 L
9 5 L
14 3 L
27 2 W WIN ON 4TH SPIN no new bet. so stay on line2 (one more win needed in recovery mode)
16 3 L
30 2 W WIN ON 2ND SPIN. look back last 2 out of 3 line 2 so bet line 2 (return to 1st progression)
24 3 L
24 3 L
25 5 L
1 1 L
3 1 L
27 2 W WIN ON 6TH SPIN. look back next bet would be line 1
28 2
I am sorry I am trying to understand this...
29 H5 V5
8 H2 V2
35 H1 V2
Would I not be betting: 8, 17, 23, 26, 35....?
Could you please clarify?
In his example he only played horizontal numbers.
horizontal you have 5,2,1,2
in the last 3 spins you have 2 times h-line 2. you need to play h-line 2
in his example the vertical line would be 5,2,2
if you play both at the same time you need to bet v-line 2 because you have the trigger on spin 3. you would win the bet because v-line 2 wins on spin 4.
at the same time spin 4 gives you the new trigger for h-line 2.
Hello Azim
Yes you have it correct those are the numbers you would bet.. number 2 is also in that group
2 8 17 23 26 35
i have a question. there are other magic squares in the internet. what do you think about that?
do you think they work the same way like your square or is there a difference?
That's a good one on me.
The only magic square I've seen is the one I used.
I will have to look on the internet again.
The reason I think this method seems to work is it keeps everything a lot more in balance, not getting as extreme swings as other methods so if there are other magic squares that add up to the 111 in all directions. It seems they would also have a likely hood of working if my reasoning is correct.
Does anyone know of system tester I might be able to use to test a system like this one.
I would really like to do an extensive test on it. If it checks out as good as my manual testing I want to play it with a lot bigger money.
Quote from: bigtim08 on Dec 15, 02:21 PM 2013
Does anyone know of system tester I might be able to use to test a system like this one.
I would really like to do an extensive test on it. If it checks out as good as my manual testing I want to play it with a lot bigger money.
I am working on a tracker for you.. I should hopefully have it by Tuesday.
Thank you in advance Azim
I really appreciate it.
Quote from: bigtim08 on Dec 15, 05:20 PM 2013
Thank you in advance Azim
I really appreciate it.
You welcome.
Here is what I have as far as how I have understood it. For now you will have to load your spins from a file. Click step to do a spin by spin check. once it's confirmed. I will activate the run and do the math for the bankroll.
It so interesting you could go back to old forums like gg and you will see the same discussion on systems . They keep repeating it self over and over.2014 and still nothing new. Sorry guys . we need to really think outside the wheel.
Quote from: warrior on Dec 16, 10:42 AM 2013
It so interesting you could go back to old forums like gg and you will see the same discussion on systems . They keep repeating it self over and over.2014 and still nothing new. Sorry guys . we need to really think outside the wheel.
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warrior, I beg to differ...what i see from this method is that in +/-50 spins you can easily make your 200u BR (no recovery mode)...so with some stern discipline and money management you can go a long way with this...test it and you'll see
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Dec 17, 12:59 PM 2013
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warrior, I beg to differ...what i see from this method is that in +/-50 spins you can easily make your 200u BR (no recovery mode)...so with some stern discipline and money management you can go a long way with this...test it and you'll see
vundarosa
I totally agree and that's one of the reasons I am willing to make this tracker. Just need someone to verify that I have it correct.
Quote from: vundarosa on Dec 17, 12:59 PM 2013
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warrior, I beg to differ...what i see from this method is that in +/-50 spins you can easily make your 200u BR (no recovery mode)...so with some stern discipline and money management you can go a long way with this...test it and you'll see
vundarosa
These kind of systems go back to gamlet and Roberta from Italy . They work for a little while,all I'm saying is they keep repeating it self with a little twist . If you look at the vertical line all it is is lines put in a matrix the horizontal is more mixed .lines 1and 2 2 and 5 second dozen only and so on if you were to take the vertical line for ex. You would get the same results . This has been done before.
Quote from: warrior on Dec 17, 02:55 PM 2013
These kind of systems go back to gamlet and Roberta from Italy . They work for a little while,all I'm saying is they keep repeating it self with a little twist . If you look at the vertical line all it is is lines put in a matrix the horizontal is more mixed .lines 1and 2 2 and 5 second dozen only and so on if you were to take the vertical line for ex. You would get the same results . This has been done before.
True, mix this with Drazen's System based on Law of the third and I think we might have a consistent winner. It no doubt will have it's losses but I think in the long run it will be a winner.
All the disciplines will have to come into play.
Here is a new version after a bug has been fixed.
Still need to verify, before I finish my math and progression calculations.
One thing I'm not sure I made clear in my early posts.
Play only one side at a time vertical or horizontal.
If you start out on vertical stay on the vertical bets until you have a loss (10 spins without win) or no bet is available on the current side then you switch sides and stay on that side until you have a loss (10 spins without win) or no bet is available then switch back.
This is an important part of the method it keeps you from staying on a side that is not performing.
Final version of the tracker.. Load your file and see the results..
Even though the tracker is showing you both trigger's it's not recommended to bet both trigger's.
I and everyone on the forum owes Azim a huge thank you for all the time he spent creating this tracker.
This tracker he created is working properly now without the previous bugs.
This method is a winner.
input some of your past sessions and you will see for your self.
The way to play it is start on the side of your choice.
Stay on the same side as long as you are winning, I posted a progression that I use, Once you have a loss which is 10 spins with out a hit.
Then switch to the other side. I normally go into recovery mode for 2 wins to make up for the loss.
The reason you switch sides as in most all methods losses seem to run together.
If anyone has any questions I will do my best to answer them.
If any body can help me but I cant seem to input anything???? Me being thick I would think????
Hello Sturrock
open a txt file in a program like notepad.
enter a group of numbers
give it a name
save it to a location like your documents
then in tracker box click load file this will open your file
if you still need help let me know
The application works, however, tried different sets of numbers, all drive straight to hell..
Thanks bigtim08 :thumbsup:
spin4fun
You can't stay with the same side.
after a loss on one side switch to the other side.. In this method and if you have lot of experience you will know that a lot of methods work well until they hit a bad run. By switching sides as soon as you have a loss it keeps you from severe losses.
I have used and tested this method quite a bit. It can lose and does at times but if you follow the recovery method on a loss you winnings will accumulate. It does not loss very often
It does have a approx. 800 unit loss if it losses both progressions which I don't like at all.
I'm working on a different betting procedure that wouldn't involve as much bankroll.
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Dec 28, 09:46 AM 2013
The application works, however, tried different sets of numbers, all drive straight to hell..
Quite possible. You must have picked up sets where the drop down can be nasty with 6 number's.
Considering it's 6 number's your come back should be equally fast.
Where i see this b4?
Lol