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Here is system9.

system9.weebly.com (NO ads, NO spam)

Dedicated to everyone who loves the game.

I will let it speak for itself.

There is a blog for Q+A if you have any.

enjoy.  :-* 

Thanks.
Is this your page?

Yes M_O_P.

I spent several hours this afternoon creating it. I was going to put it on here last week but thought I would have more space to lay things out on the pages.

This is it! You won't find much better when it comes down to systems/methods. It has certainly served me well.

Many thanks
It would be perfect if somebody make a piece of software about this very special system :smile: .

Anybody?

Thanks for sharing that Luke.
I look forward to reading it more fully and having a go.
Mike

Hello jarabo002.

I really hope somebody will. It is not that complicated.

Thank you for your post.

thanks for posting--now i have to screw my head on right to figure this one out! Im sure I will in a few reads thanks again

(Its been hard as so many new and possibly  good systems have been presented lately)

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 21, 05:11 PM 2012
Hello jarabo002.

I really hope somebody will. It is not that complicated.

Hi flukey luke,


Nice website, tell me were your results flat-betting?


Thanks


malcop

Nice post FL, but can you tell me what is the logic behind this?  It seems like a neat system, just trying to understand the idea behind it's creation.

MM

Hello malcop.

I really only play this flat betting.

There are two different ways I approach it. When you understand the mechanics of the method, you will then understand the two different approaches.

1st approach.  I can use a 40-50 unit bankroll for this approach. I look to catch the wins before the 1-12 gets down to 5 streets left. This can work great and you will get runs where you make a 100% return very quickly.

2nd approach. I use a 100 unit bankroll and look for any win up to the point where there are only 2 streets left to appear on the 1-12 marked on your card. When you get down to this stage, you are usually betting 6 streets. I had a winning streak of 13 bets last week playing it like this.

I would really love some of the progression guys to study this. I think they could tweak it to suit themself and make it practically 'bomb proof'

Hello mattymatz.

I was asked the same question on the blog and my response was as follows...

This came about after tinkering about with various concepts throughout the years.

I guess most people are wondering about the 'cheat sheet'

It is an idea I came up with a while ago when I was looking into the 'rule of the third'. I know a lot of guys say it's not really a rule etc... However it always fascinated me. What I attempted to do was to magnify the 'rule of the third' and see if I could try and control the variance a bit more. I figured this would allow me to stay in the game longer and be there when a winning run came along.

This system performs to those expectations a lot more often than not.

I will be adding a lot more thoughts about system9 and ways to enhance the playing of it over the coming days.......

That kind of gives you an idea matt as to how I arrived at this system.

thanks.

where is this web sight?

Warrior, I didn't put the link because I don't think they are allowed.

Type in...  system9.weebly.com

enjoy

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 21, 05:11 PM 2012
Hello jarabo002.

I really hope somebody will. It is not that complicated.

50Euro and i will include it into MST.

100Euro and i will make BV bot for it... public or not.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 21, 06:32 PM 2012
Warrior, I didn't put the link because I don't think they are allowed.

Type in...  system9.weebly.com

enjoy

nothing comes up.

Flukey congrats,very nice work and very "giving" attitude man..i guess you are not an avergage gambler... :lol: .Well i didn't bother my head to try to understand the logic of your sheet so i had 10 quck games with it right away.
As far as your approaches have you tried to play it virtualy till 2 numbers are left on your 1-12 line and only bet real that one?This is the time where you bet half or more of the lines and i won every bet on that stage so maybe there is something about it.
You friend played it live wheel or rng?I hope i'll find the time to code it,it's pretty simple and after 1-2 games you grasp the play pretty easy.

Quote from: warrior on Jun 21, 06:39 PM 2012
nothing comes up.

link:://system9.weebly.com/ (link:://system9.weebly.com/)

Quote from: ophis on Jun 21, 06:42 PM 2012
link:://system9.weebly.com/ (link:://system9.weebly.com/)

:thumbsup:

Hello xxlakis.

You don't hang about, lol.

I am glad you have got stuck into it.

You are right about some nice wins coming at the backend. (It is much nicer getting them earlier because you feel like you are cheating the game) The reality is however like you say and the majority of winning runs will come when they are only 2-3 streets left to play.

You know I am glad I shared this because I honestly think that we can improve the concept as a group. I already believe it is pretty good as far as systems/methods go. It would be even better to get more out of it.

Thanks guys for the positive comments. It's appreciated.

Very interesting system FL.

Darn.  With all this candy being posted on the forum, I'm starting to get  a sugar high!

We need a ban on new systems for at least a week so we can focus on the current ones.  I've never seen such a rash of excellent systems posted so close together.

So much for the idea that rouletteforum.cc will be fading away anytime soon.

Hello George,

I was hoping you would give it a once over. Your expertise in MM may be able to up the ante a bit on this one.

I agree about everything all happening at once. It's all systems go.  ;D

xxlakis, I am playing this online on live wheel and airball as well as dealer spun wheels and airball in B+M casinos. I have not touched RNG with it. Although I did test it against many random.org actuals and the results were not any different from the results I am getting now.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 21, 07:46 PM 2012
Although I did test it against many random.org actuals and the results were not any different from the results I am getting now.

Somehow random.org is easy to conquer....

i have found some systems that are beating any random.org sample...
but still loosing on BV RNG.... :o

...but maybe thats just coincidence.

Quote from: ophis on Jun 21, 07:57 PM 2012
Somehow random.org is easy to conquer....

i have found some systems that are beating any random.org sample...
but still losing on BV RNG.... :o

...but maybe that's just coincidence.

how much E for that system that beating any random.org sample ?

"""This is it! You won't find much better when it comes down to systems/methods. It has certainly served me well."""

Sirius words from a Sirius roulette researcher and a very well mannered man.

I will read it now(as I wasn t home ) and I will test some and give feedback.And I will tell you my impressions too.

Thanks again.

Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 21, 08:31 PM 2012
Sirius words from a Sirius roulette researcher and a very well mannered man.

Well, I do have my moments!!

Anyway, looking forward to hearing what you think about it M_O_P.

I value your opinion. You have crunched more systems than a lot of us put together.

cheers.

This can't work! This won't work! No system works! 

Having said that, i'll check it out and see if it works!

Hello.


Thank you for the system. I expect it goes well.


JavierTT

well put Still!!!!! your not alone with that thinking..... on the other hand a'int no reason that it shouldnt work:)  ....also checking here
thanks FL

Thanks Luke

I've printed this out.  If my wife doesn't kill me for viewing one more system, I'll check it out.

Anyone heard these words, "Oh, God.  Not another system!!"?

Yes, a moratorium is in order.

Sam

fl

I'd like to ask you a direct question.  You call this your personal "h.g."  I assume the "h.g." means "Holy Grail".  The question:  Does this make money over time?

I have read it, understand it and like MM, see no logic behind it.  Therefore it must be Voodoo.

I love it!!

TCS

I love betting streets. If this method is practical & profitable then there could very well be an MM plan that lifts it to the next level.

Separate betting ledgers for different combinations of bets would be my first study. So, 1 street bets (3 numbers), 2 street bets (6 numbers), 3 street bets (9 numbers), etc.

Run these with separately calculated progressions and it might extract more edge if this is an accurate selection method.

This as any other posted system should be tested per sessions individually,
not the zillion spins/as even sparrow on the twig knows;NO SYSTEM CAN BEAT
ZILLION SPINS/--even MOP know that...lol...
Any real player will tell you same.While on the contrary computer freaks and these
that never even been to casino will tell you to test on zillion spins.
Try to test it session by session/I do every night for real dough in casino/and you
shall see a different picture.

Quote from: Still on Jun 21, 10:18 PM 2012
This can't work! This won't work! No system works! 

Having said that, i'll check it out and see if it works!

:D  Nice reply. You may be pleasantly surprised still.

Hello TwoCatSam.

I call this my personal h.g. because it has been very kind to me over the last 6-9 months.

It's paid for a few of the little things as well as some as the larger ones etc......

It has certainly been more reliable and profitable than anything else I have played in the past.

You are right!! It is a kind of a voodoo system. Maybe that's what we should rename it. I like it!!

Thanks.

Good ideas Skakus.

I agree that there definately has to be a well thought out MM strategy that can take this into new territory. A stable bet selection throwing up consistent winners should allow for this.

I am going to try your suggestions and see how it pans out. Thanks for the insights.

Hello Vile.


It is a bit like how you said you operate the other day. I play a game at a time with this and take plenty of breaks. I repeat this procedure throughout the day no matter if I am playing online or at a B+M casino. Doing it this way keeps me alert.

cheers.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 22, 03:32 AM 2012
Hello TwoCatSam.

I call this my personal h.g. because it has been very kind to me over the last 6-9 months.

It's paid for a few of the little things as well as some as the larger ones etc......

It has certainly been more reliable and profitable than anything else I have played in the past.

You are right!! It is a kind of a voodoo system. Maybe that's what we should rename it. I like it!!

Thanks.

Pleas don't call it "Voodoo System", that's what I'm calling my next system :)


Thanks


malcop

Quote from: malcop on Jun 22, 03:50 AM 2012
Pleas don't call it "Voodoo System", that's what I'm calling my next system :)


Thanks


malcop

Oh sh*t, then I'll have to call my next offering the Voodoo2 System.  ;D

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 22, 03:45 AM 2012
Hello Vile.


It is a bit like how you said you operate the other day. I play a game at a time with this and take plenty of breaks. I repeat this procedure throughout the day no matter if I am playing online or at a B+M casino. Doing it this way keeps me alert.

cheers.

That's how pros are doing it.....Zillion spins....ridiculous.

Hello FL
thank you for sharing this system
i think very promising
and of course mutch more better that those
from john legend " hit and run"

i m seaching 4 people to share money to implement the system on Opfhis MST tracker
this tracker will be private for only thos people
please contact me on my mail
shaftmsn@gmail.com

it will be 20 dollar each person including me
Hello from France

Hello roulettefan,

That's a good idea! I am happy to stick $20 in myself to get the ball rolling.

Thanks.

hello FL 
cool
You can send me those 20 Doll
via Paypal
on my paypal account
email
SHAFTMUSIC@GMAIL.COM
i m a long time user of this forum  i m serious
best from France

question what are your result with this system
how long time have you played it
what is your drawdown

sorry for my bad english  i am from France

Quote from: roulettefan on Jun 22, 04:56 AM 2012
sorry for my bad English  i am from France

There's a red flag if ever I saw one.  ???

Hello roulettefan,

Let's not get ahead of ourself. First of all, ophis would need to agree to do the tracker and I think any payments should be sent to him.

I am not being disrepectful but you only have 10 posts and some members may not feel comfortable sending you any type of payment.

Don't take it the wrong way. I am sure ophis will let us know one way or the other and he has a long history on forums.

Thanks.

ok
no problem fluke

i understand you

i can put 100 dollar alone without the help of nobody
it was just to do something toghether wit h memeber

anyway every thing is so complicated when speaking about roulette

most people doesn t car to lost stupidly large amount of money
playing stupidly
and for 20 dol they hesitate

anyway i really dont dont care

thank again Fluke to share your system

I would love someone to do a tracker but it's not a necessity.

I have the chart on a small laminated card and the casino never run out of scorecards  ;D

It really does only take 10-15 seconds to work things out when you get the hang of it.

Playing the streets (and because they are relatively few to bet) makes this easy to play at B+M casinos as well as online.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 22, 05:12 AM 2012
Hello roulettefan,

Let's not get ahead of ourself. First of all, ophis would need to agree to do the tracker and I think any payments should be sent to him.

I am not being disrepectful but you only have 10 posts and some members may not feel comfortable sending you any type of payment.

Don't take it the wrong way. I am sure ophis will let us know one way or the other and he has a long history on forums.

Thanks.

Yes for 100E i will make BV Bot (can be used as tracker) for private use.
Or i can include it in to MST.... but that will be public.


moneybookers/paypal (ohs.teos@gmail.com)

Hello ophis.

Thanks for the kind offer. Well I am happy to have it in the public domain otherwise I would not have shared the system.

I will gladly donate 20E towards it. Let's see if 4 other members are willing to join in.

Thanks.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 22, 05:58 AM 2012
Hello ophis.

Thanks for the kind offer. Well I am happy to have it in the public domain otherwise I would not have shared the system.

I will gladly donate 20E towards it. Let's see if 4 other members are willing to join in.

Thanks.

Bot can also be public.

But the question is if u want it as part of MST or as a separate bot/tracker.

Quote from: ophis on Jun 22, 05:49 AM 2012
Yes for 100E i will make BV Bot (can be used as tracker) for private use.
Or i can include it in to MST.... but that will be public.


moneybookers/paypal (ohs.teos@gmail.com)

ophis,

Quick question what is your schedule like at the moment, how long will it take for you to include a system in MST?

I ask because I know you have been very busy in the past, with other projects, so had no time to implement new systems in MST.

Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Jun 22, 06:05 AM 2012
ophis,


quick question what is your schedule like at the moment, how long will it take for you to include a system in MST?


I ask because I know you have been very busy in the past, with other projects, so had no time to implement new systems in MST.


Thanks


malcop

Shoudnt take more than 2 days to include it into MST or make a BOT.

Sorry ophis, I misunderstood. I think as a seperate bot/tracker would be good.

Ophis
i have send you the money on your paypal account just now
please check

FL.
2 Questions.
How did u came up with the street numbers of the chart? I mean the streets in the ( ) .

And on the other topic of urs that u said u tested it and it was losing , did u try to aplly the same concept on the LINES?

Thanks

Hello M_O_P.

I have tested this concept on several different betting options.

The splits was very exciting to say the least! The problem with that one was that I was carrying an encyclopedia into the casino with me and I needed the assistance of a playing partner to help me manage it all. You would be surprised how much extra work and charts were involved. The streets just requires one chart and a scorecard. (Much easier)

Like I mentioned to GLC in one of his threads the other day, I really think the streets are the most pliable when it comes to bet selection. The 11/1 payout is a good risk to reward ratio in my opinion. The splits may have just being taking things a step too far. The winning streaks were fabulous collecting 17/1 payouts for very minimal outlay. The downside was there were too many games not producing a winner. I actually did not mind this so much when playing online. It did however become a bit of a chore playing at B+M casinos on the days the system was in grinding mode.

The streets seldom have a game with a loss in it and there is nearly always a game somewhere around the corner with multiple wins to take the balance further forward.

Regarding the chart. I am claiming the 5th amendment on that one. What I will say is that it is my way of trying to take the volatility out of the game and attempting to reduce the bets I need to place while still maintaining a half decent strike rate. It is working for me.

Thanks.

Quote from: roulettefan on Jun 22, 06:11 AM 2012
Ophis
i have send you the money on your paypal account just now
please check

Confirmed.

Hello ophis.

I have just sent a payment of 20E through paypal.

Thanks again for offering to provide a tracker.

I'm a bit confused now, are we talking about a tracker for all to use or only those those that pay?


Thanks


malcop

i think tracker and bot only for those who have payed
please be quick after it will be too late

Quote from: roulettefan on Jun 22, 07:12 AM 2012
i think tracker and bot only for those who have payed
please be quick after it will be too late

No sorry, only interested if all can share.


Thanks


malcop

Hello malcop,

I would be happy if everybody could use it.

It would be nice if 50 members could chip in 2 Euro each. However I suppose that's not going to work like that.

Let's hope 3 other members join in. I have had the use of plenty of free downloads in the past and so am happy to contribute towards this.

Thanks.

Hello roulettefan.

I think we have all had the enjoyment of downloading things in the past for free.

Let's not stop people from enjoying system9 either.

It will also help with feedback. We shouldn't be shortsighted. I am sure ophis will make it available for all.

Thank you. (I have sent you a P.M. roulettefan.)

I would like to contribute, but 20 Euro too much at present. I could do £5 now with remainder to follow if acceptable.


Regards,


Alf

Hello FL

Do u have any stop-loss or win-goal in mind here?  And how do u deal with 0 here?  Repeat last bet if u lose on 0 or restart?   I tested it quickly against 2day numbers from SML casino  airball.
1st session:  6L, 0W  -30u , 2nd session 2W, 5L  -5u.  It can happen especially while flatbetting n d method could be successful in d long run but we need 2 establish some rules here.

Regards

@pounmaker

hey its not 20 euros its 20 dollar  that mean 12.95 pounds  so add 6 pound and it will be ok

beleive me programming roulette system is hard work every body want everythink for free but when something is free that mean somebody spend time to work
and like free music on the net you "stole their work"

of course if this person want to share free it is another thing 

on my side 20 dol is really low low price comparing the level of knowledge of Ophis

Hello Robeenhuut,

I repeat the last bet if the 0 appears. My target for the day is 40 units.

Some days are a grind and others reach my target quickly.

I use a 100 unit bankroll if I am playing the system all the way through until there are only 2 streets left in a game. (This means that I will play the 2 which usually involves placing 6-7 streets) The next loss will then take it down to 1 and it's time to start a new game.

I will use a smaller bankroll (40-50 units) if I am just going to play the system until there are only 4-5 streets left.

**IMPORTANT RULE**

One important rule that I never mentioned on the site (I will go and write that in to the examples) is that you never cross out the 12 street.

So let's say you are using your chart looking for the 1-1. You DON'T cross out the 1 and 12.

You only cross out the 1. Always leave the 12 street in.

Sorry for not mentioning that. That is the only thing that I did not mention. Everything else is correct. It's because it never came up in one of the examples that I forgot to mention it.  :-[

Thanks.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 22, 07:44 AM 2012
Hello Robeenhuut,

I repeat the last bet if the 0 appears. My target for the day is 40 units.

Some days are a grind and others reach my target quickly.

I use a 100 unit bankroll if I am playing the system all the way through until there are only 2 streets left in a game. (This means that I will play the 2 which usually involves placing 6-7 streets) The next loss will then take it down to 1 and it's time to start a new game.

I will use a smaller bankroll (40-50 units) if I am just going to play the system until there are only 4-5 streets left.

I have not tested much but  in my 2 sessions i posted it took 6 or 7 games 2 run out of streets. Is it average number in yr opinion?  N one more observations. If You have repeats - 4 example 1 hits twice in a row f I'm not mistaken yr chart tells u 2 repeat that bet one more time all over again...
Do u always follow d chart or u use some kind of judgement?
don't get me wrong. I play flat bet method myself n sometimes i have losing days but i feel there is more 2 yr method ;D

robeenhut,

I am going to post up a different example every day.

One of the rules that I should have mentioned is in the post above. That's an important one.

The first few examples I have shown did not have any repeat streets because I did not want to complicate things.

Let's say the current street out is a 2 and then it goes to 2 again.

Looking at the chart for the 2-2. You will see (2,12) Now you can't cross anything out here because the 2 is already crossed out and you NEVER cross the 12 out.

The only way to catch these is to place a bet for the repeat street and the 12 street.

I call this a 'cover bet' which I was going to introduce in the next example.

What I do is when the bets get down the lower edge of the scale is to place a small bet which will just recoup my stake or suffer a small loss if the cover bet appears . This is a case of where you need to be aware of what's happening.

A game with no wins will usually pan out within about 6-7 spins. (It could be as low as 4)

I have had winning games go on for 20 spins.

Here is an example of a losing game with no wins.

The streets left to come out are in brackets and the bets to be placed on the next spin.

(9) no bet on next spin.
(7) 1 street bet on next spin.
(6) 1 street bet on next spin.
(4) 3 streets bet on next spin.
(3) 4 streets bet on next spin.
(2) 7 streets bet on next spin.
(1) end of game.

This game ended in 8 spins and resulted in a total loss of 16 units.

FL can you explain to us please how u are taking the advantage of the low of the 3d with this system?
Thanks....

Quote from: malcop on Jun 22, 07:10 AM 2012
I'm a bit confused now, are we talking about a tracker for all to use or only those those that pay?


Thanks


malcop

bot will be public just as system author requested.

Quote from: roulettefan on Jun 22, 07:41 AM 2012
@pounmaker

hey its not 20 euros its 20 dollar  that mean 12.95 pounds  so add 6 pound and it will be ok

beleive me programming roulette system is hard work every body want everythink for free but when something is free that mean somebody spend time to work
and like free music on the net you "stole their work"

of course if this person want to share free it is another thing 

on my side 20 dol is really low low price comparing the level of knowledge of Ophis

actually it suppose to be Euros.   

and 100 euro for bot is not a big price... that kind of things are not done in 30min.
what we got here can be considered as 10e/hour which is v low wage here where i am.

So to understand the last rule.

When we have a street repeat we are crossing out the Street that just hit but we do NOT cross out the 12th street as the chart says...?

So if that s the case , why don t u change the chart and leave out the 12th in all the repeats?1-1,2-2 etc....

Here is a much smoother game I played yesterday. Asterix denotes wins.

(9) 2 street bet on next spin.
(9)* 2 streets bet on next spin.
(6) 1 street bet on next spin.
(4) 3 streets bet on next spin.
(4)* 2 streets bet on next spin.
(4)* 2 streets bet on next spin.
(3) 6 streets bet on next spin.
(3)* 7 streets bet on next spin.
(3)*

I ended that game there and won +35 units.

The streets were as follows.....

9
6
3
5
4
10
2
1
11
9

It would be a good test for anybody testing to make sure you get the same results.

And why in the 12-12 repeat we do not bet? is there something deferent with the 12-12 than the other repeats? :o

M_O_P, everything is now correct.


If 12 goes to 12, you lose unless you placed a 'cover bet' on it. I will explain more about that in my next example on the site. Try and be positive. It will work more often than not playing it excactly the way I suggest.

I AM POSITIVE!
I am just trying to understand some things of your system....
I didn t mean any bad...

Why if 12 goes to 12 we lose and we don t also lose if 1 goes to 1?

Maybe I haven t understand some things.That s why I am asking, because when I will test or play I need to be sure I am doing it correctly.

No problem. The examples will explain a lot.

They take a few hours to write up and yet can be played in 5-10 minutes.  ;D

Anybody testing should be noticing the nice win streaks at the end of games.

So If I have 1 and then 1 I will cross out the 1
     If I have  2 and then 2 I will cross out 2 
ETC

BUT when I will have 12 and then 12 I will NOT cross anything out???

Is this correct?

@ophis just question are you gonna code tracker or bot for the system if is bot would it have manual entering the numbers sort of manual play and option for auto play..if you put manual entering will send you 20 euro...thanks :thumbsup:

You will lose on any repeat street if you follow the rules as I have explained them so far.

Streets tend to go in long cycles without repeats and then they bunch up. It is not like they appear every 12 spins on time. So they are going to come in waves. This is certainly what I have noticed. I look out for them and if they are coming at a higher than average frequency, I will include a small cover bet to catch the repeat. This cover bet may just be enough to recoup my stake on that particular round of bets.

Example. They are 3 streets left (7, 8 and 12) and I am required to bet 5 streets. If I have 5, 5, 5, 5 and 5 on the streets I need to bet. I can put 2.50 on the cover bet which would be the repeat street and the 12 street. This at least covers me should the repeat street or the 12 street appear. Like I said, they seem to come in waves with this system and that's the best I can explain it to you.

Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 22, 10:23 AM 2012
So If I have 1 and then 1 I will cross out the 1
     If I have  2 and then 2 I will cross out 2 
ETC

BUT when I will have 12 and then 12 I will NOT cross anything out???

Is this correct?

You would have already crossed out the 1 if it repeats and the same for if the 2 goes to 2.

Yes, NEVER cross out the 12.

The Cat has paypal-ed 10e to ohs.teos@gmail.com

Sam

ok last question and I won t dizzy you anymore...

Is there any particular reason why we are never crossing out the 12th street?

The 12 coming out in either a repeat street or the physical 12 street itself is a 6/1 chance according to my chart when I calculate the bets. The other numbers have a higher frequency to appear.

It makes sense to me at least to leave out something that probability dictates has the least chance to appear and that is why I never cross out the 12.

Just to say thanks to the guys who are donating some money to have the system coded.

It is generous of you all. I am looking forward to it.  :)

Quote from: maestro on Jun 22, 10:24 AM 2012
@ophis just question are you gonna code tracker or bot for the system if is bot would it have manual entering the numbers sort of manual play and option for auto play..if you put manual entering will send you 20 euro...thanks :thumbsup:

Tracker (manual) + Bot (Auto for BV) in one software.

+plenty of other options... (auto table relog, sessions, sessions LW manager etc...)
like in RNGX + export to excel.


got 50euro for now (thanks!)... so 50 more to go.
but I'm staring to work on it now :)

EDIT:
75euro.

@ ophis


Just sent by  paypal 5GBP


Regards,


Alf

As a person who's created a few systems, I can say it's easy to make a mistake in your instructions. 

Come on, fellas.  We need 45E more.  Cough it up.  This could be fun.

Sam

many thanks for sharing the system!

how do the casino's react to you bringing in the list??

double post

@ophis 20 euro sent to you ...thanks

raised till now:

85Euro

Dig men, dig!! 

Give up that dinner at Chez Snoot and contribute.

Sam

sent 15 euro puppies

Yea for Tom

Yea for all the contributors......

lets have fun..and some oney... :thumbsup:

Well done guys!! That's brilliant.

The tracker will be cool for sure.

Quote from: maestro on Jun 22, 12:40 PM 2012
lets have fun..and some oney... :thumbsup:

Brother, I'm 65.  Haven't had an "oney" is years!!

Sam

100 euro gathered.  thx for donations. bot will be ready till end of the week
(but will try to make it asap).

also i see this is flat bet... but anyway i will put some optional progression.

....what do we do when we encounter ZERO? we continue betting what we were betting before?

Thank you ophis.

Some progressions to go along with it would be great.

I was toying with the idea of going up to two units in game 2 if you did not have a win at all in game 1. (Maybe even just for the first few bets of game 2 because there are more than likely only one or two streets that are played in the early stages of a game.) This would give you a chance of not only recouping the losses from game 1 but also probably making an overall profit over the 2 games.

Another option maybe to use a d'alambert or something similar when you get down to only 2 streets left. This normally has you betting six streets which is no different from a 1/1 bet. The streaky nature of it might suit this type of MM.

I am just thinking out loud. I have never used any type of progressions with it to date. Flat betting has pulled me through even when I have suffered a bad start on more than a few occasions.

Quote from: ophis on Jun 22, 12:59 PM 2012
....what do we do when we encounter ZERO? we continue betting what we were betting before?

Yes, that's correct. I would place the same bet as on the previous spin.

ophis are you still accepting donations

Question.
If we have a repeat on any street except 12th street , do we cross this street out of the 1-12 ?

Eg. 3-3.... the CHART has the (3).....so are we crossing out the 3 street from the 1-12?

Hello M_O_P.

Let's say you walk up to the table with your chart and scorecard.

You notice number 7 has went to number 9. (So that's 3-3) Yes, you would cross out the 3 from the 1-12. Now obviously if it goes to street 3 again, you will have nothing to cross out because you already crossed the 3 out.

Thanks.
OK everything crystal clear now about the way of playing the system.

The only thing I can t really understand is what is so special about the 12th street and we must always leave it in and never cross it out......It s just a street like all the others.

Anyway I am also waiting to see the result of testings as soon as the bot will be ready.

Quote from: joiner29 on Jun 22, 01:20 PM 2012
ophis are you still accepting donations

yes ofc. moneybookers and paypal.
ohs.teos@gmail.com

Do u think that is better when we are having our win in the 1st or 2nd bet ,to start again the system from the last 2 streets that apeared?

Or is better to go down through the last 2 or 4 or anything u say remainning streets in the 1-12?

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1  3  6  8  12.  (10)  (7)  (5)  (5*)

So I added another 5 in brackets with an asterix to denote a winner.

What is the purpose of adding those numbers (number of streets left)?
do you need that in tracker?

OK just sent ophis £10 thanks

Quote from: ophis on Jun 22, 01:41 PM 2012
What is the purpose of adding those numbers (number of streets left)?
do you need that in tracker?

Hello ophis. I like to keep a track of how many streets are left. Once the streets gets down to 2 left, that is then my signal to end the game after the next loss. It would be good if you could include it in the tracker.

Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 22, 01:40 PM 2012
Do u think that is better when we are having our win in the 1st or 2nd bet ,to start again the system from the last 2 streets that apeared?

Or is better to go down through the last 2 or 4 or anything u say remainning streets in the 1-12?

That's a personal choice M_O_P.

To be honest, I would play it straight through until there are 2 streets left. Then you play until the very next loss and start a new game.

When you get down to 2 streets left, you should find that you are then betting an average of 6 streets. There is no point betting after that when it gets down to 1 street left because you can then be betting up to 10 streets and I don't think that's a good idea.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 22, 02:13 PM 2012
To be honest, I would play it straight through until there are 2 streets left. Then you play until the very next loss and start a new game.

I will make it configurable. So everyone can check other possibilities.

I have went back and tidied up some of the threads.

After some thought, I have decided to leave the 12 street in the charts even though you never actually cross out the 12 on your 1-12 line.

WHY?

Because it then gets confusing when you are working out the bet.

With this chart, you use it for not only marking the 1-12 line but also for working out the bets.

Now I never place a bet as a rule on a repeat street or the 12 street. (These 2 streets can be incorporated as a cover bet which I will explain in my next example)

But what happens when I take the 12 out of the chart is that you could then be mistaken for thinking you have to place a bet on the repeat street when in fact you don't.

example..

You are looking for a combination of the 3, 8 and 11 and you are working from the 3 series on the chart.

Here it is...

3-1 = (1,8,10)
3-2 = (2,10,11)
3-3 = (3,12) *****so you would not bet this because of the 12**
3-4 = (1,2,4)
3-5 = (2,4,5)
3-6 = (3,6)
3-7 = (4,7)
3-8 = (5,8)
3-9 = (3,6,9)
3-10 = (1,7,10)
3-11 = (8,11)
3-12 = (9,12)

Now if I take the 12's out of the chart, you will wrongly assume that you need to bet on the 3 street because it would look like the following.

3-1 = (1,8,10)
3-2 = (2,10,11)
3-3 = (3)  *****This is wrong because you would now mistakenly bet the 3 street**
3-4 = (1,2,4)
3-5 = (2,4,5)
3-6 = (3,6)
3-7 = (4,7)
3-8 = (5,8)
3-9 = (3,6,9)
3-10 = (1,7,10)
3-11 = (8,11)
3-12 = (9)

The 12's need to be left in to make sure you don't make mistakes in working out what bets you should place.

I hope that makes sense and I am sorry for the confusion.

(It is easier just to leave the 12's in the chart and know that you never cross out a 12 on the 1-12 line rather than remove them from the chart and then have to remember that you would not normally bet for a repeat street or the 12 street.)

M_O_P.

If you look at the chart and at series 1....

1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2)
1-3 = (2,3,4)
1-4 = (3,4,6)
1-5 = (4,5,8)
1-6 = (5,6,10)
1-7 = (6,7,11)
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10)
1-11 = (3,10,11)
1-12 = (1,11,12)

So this is assuming that street 1 has just appeared. There are only 2 chances that it can go to the 12 street.

Either you are going to get a repeat street on the 1 and therefore (1,12) or it is going to go to the 12 street and therefore (1,11,12)

There are 3 chances it can go to a 3.
Three chances it can go to a 4.
Three chances it can go to a 5 etc...

Now of course you will get games where repeat streets appear and the 12 street comes up in abundance. I will show you how to take care of these in further examples that I will post up on the site over the next few days.

The important thing is that members understand the basics of how things work.

It may be that you are required to bet one street. For example.. The 8 street. Now the current street out is the 5 and has just repeated. Let's say they have been a few repeats and a few 12 streets appearing lately as well. A cover bet can be 1/5th of the bet you placed on street 8 just to recoup your stake on this bet should the repeat street (5) or the 12 street come in.

Suppose you are down to 3 streets left on the 1-12 line and you need to place a bet of 5 streets. A cover bet to just recoup your stake on this bet should the repeat street or 12 street come in. How? 5 streets bet at £5.00. Play for the repeat street and street 12 at 50p each. It makes sense to ride out the repeat streets like this and get some of your stake money back.

A repeat street or the 12 street appearing is a 5/1 chance. It can't go on indefinately. There are times when the streets alternate 15, 20, 25 spins +.

The bottom line is no system is going to run smoothly 100% of the time.  The good news is it does not have too if you are watchful and can take some countermeasures when things are not going excactly as you would like.

I better shut up or Sam will be accusing me of bloviating. I love that word.

fl

You are not bloviating.  Bloviating is where you make grandiose claims and then ridicule people who ask for a shred of proof.

Cool Hand Luke once said he could eat fifty eggs.  They thought he was bloviating until he ate fifty eggs.

Carry on.......

Sam

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The current street which just came in was the 2.

So here is the 2 series from the chart. I am now looking for a combination of the 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10 and 11 on any line for there to be a bet.

2-1 = (1,10,11) *no*
2-2 = (2) *no*
2-3 = (1,2,3) *no*
2-4 = (2,4) *yes! A bet needs to be placed on street 4 (10,11,12) on the next spin*
2-5 = (3,5,6) *no*
2-6 = (4,6,8) *no*
2-7 = (5,7,9) *yes! Place a bet on street 7 (19,20,21)*
2-8 = (6,7,8) *no*
2-9 = (5,7,9) *yes! place a bet on street 9 (25,26,27)*
2-10 = (3,8,10) *no*
2-11 = (1,9,11) *no*
2-12 = (10,11) *no*

Why we are not betting street number 12? ....we got combo of 10,11.

ophis, this explains it............

I have went back and tidied up some of the threads.

After some thought, I have decided to leave the 12 street in the charts even though you never actually cross out the 12 on your 1-12 line.

WHY?

Because it then gets confusing when you are working out the bet.

With this chart, you use it for not only marking the 1-12 line but also for working out the bets.

Now I never place a bet as a rule on a repeat street or the 12 street. (These 2 streets can be incorporated as a cover bet which I will explain in my next example)

But what happens when I take the 12 out of the chart is that you could then be mistaken for thinking you have to place a bet on the repeat street when in fact you don't.

example..

You are looking for a combination of the 3, 8 and 11 and you are working from the 3 series on the chart.

Here it is...

3-1 = (1,8,10)
3-2 = (2,10,11)
3-3 = (3,12) *****so you would not bet this because of the 12**
3-4 = (1,2,4)
3-5 = (2,4,5)
3-6 = (3,6)
3-7 = (4,7)
3-8 = (5,8)
3-9 = (3,6,9)
3-10 = (1,7,10)
3-11 = (8,11)
3-12 = (9,12)

Now if I take the 12's out of the chart, you will wrongly assume that you need to bet on the 3 street because it would look like the following.

3-1 = (1,8,10)
3-2 = (2,10,11)
3-3 = (3)  *****This is wrong because you would now mistakenly bet the 3 street**
3-4 = (1,2,4)
3-5 = (2,4,5)
3-6 = (3,6)
3-7 = (4,7)
3-8 = (5,8)
3-9 = (3,6,9)
3-10 = (1,7,10)
3-11 = (8,11)
3-12 = (9)

The 12's need to be left in to make sure you don't make mistakes in working out what bets you should place.

I hope that makes sense and I am sorry for the confusion.

(It is easier just to leave the 12's in the chart and know that you never cross out a 12 on the 1-12 line rather than remove them from the chart and then have to remember that you would not normally bet for a repeat street or the 12 street.)............

M_O_P suggested I take out the 12 from the chart because you never cross out a 12 in the 1-12 line. This seemed like a good idea. But I did not realise at the time that that would mess things up when you are looking for the bets. You just proved the point. You would not bet for a repeat street or the 12 street. However taking the 12's out of the chart makes you think otherwise. I inserted back all the 12's.

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...then have to remember that you would not normally bet for a repeat street or the 12 street.

didint notice that.

.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 21, 05:56 PM 2012
Hello malcop.

I really only play this flat betting.

There are two different ways I approach it. When you understand the mechanics of the method, you will then understand the two different approaches.

1st approach.  I can use a 40-50 unit bankroll for this approach. I look to catch the wins before the 1-12 gets down to 5 streets left. This can work great and you will get runs where you make a 100% return very quickly.

2nd approach. I use a 100 unit bankroll and look for any win up to the point where there are only 2 streets left to appear on the 1-12 marked on your card. When you get down to this stage, you are usually betting 6 streets. I had a winning streak of 13 bets last week playing it like this.

I would really love some of the progression guys to study this. I think they could tweak it to suit themself and make it practically 'bomb proof'

Fluke what are the basics of this method? Its a streets method. You say you use a chart to determine what to bet on. Can you not post up the method on this forum with the rules for all to see. If its half as good as a street method I have used. I will take a serious look at it.

Hello JL.

I have posted up the method on a few web pages at system9.weebly.com

Feel free to take a look. I have added up a few more examples today.

A tracker/bot is on it's way shortly for the community here.

I should add that anybody can look at the pages I mentioned above. There is no memberships or login involved.

cheers

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 22, 06:18 PM 2012
Hello JL.

I have posted up the method on a few web pages at system9.weebly.com

Feel free to take a look. I have added up a few more examples today.

A tracker/bot is on it's way shortly for the community here.

I should add that anybody can look at the pages I mentioned above. There is no memberships or login involved.

cheers

Okay FL, I will take a look. I like lines and streets. I have a very good street method in my bag called STREET 7. But it requires quite a big progression. With streets you need to chart them for sure. If you lose your place its easy to miss winning oppurtunities. Well done with your success.over the last 9 or so months. It just shows that staying power with a good method. Will indeed yield positive results.

Thank you JL and well done with Pattern 7. I look forward to reading about it.

Hello guys,

Just a quick update on the Tracker/Bot.

Things are moving forward. Ophis and myself were running through some of the details today.

Just to whet the appetite.

This was around 100 spins.

[attachimg=1]

Fantastic!!!

Those were a particularly nice set of spins but I couldn't help myself posting the graph, lol.

One thing that I should clarify just in case is when do you end a game?

Let's say you have the following left.

5 12 (2) '2 streets left'

You now play until the very next loss and then end the game.

Don't stop when you get down to the last 2 streets left.

That's important because most of the long winning runs come when you are playing and there are only 2 streets left in your 1-12 line.

I had a run of 11 today. There was a run of 8 in the graph above.

Last week I hit my record and had a run of 13.

I don't mind running through a few games with anybody if you are getting stuck.

Just drop me a PM.

Thanks

FL, still looking very good.  I haven't had time to wrap my hear around this one yet so no input re: progression.  Looks a little compicated because you seem to bet different numbers of spots.  In other words 2 streets, then 4 streets, then 3 streets, etc...  It doesn't mean a progression designed for a set number of locations won't work, it just makes to difficult to determine.

From the looks of posted results, the progression you're playing with works just fine.  The real way to analyze progressions is to replay a session using different progressions and see which one consistently gives the best results.

Without a doubt the ones that give the most units won will also require the larger bankroll to play and involve making larger bets and a progression that yields fewer units.

The progression's not so important in a winning system.  Pick one that suits your psychological makeup and bankroll.

Quote from: GLC on Jun 23, 04:18 PM 2012
FL, still looking very good.  I haven't had time to wrap my hear around this one yet so no input re: progression.  Looks a little compicated because you seem to bet different numbers of spots.  In other words 2 streets, then 4 streets, then 3 streets, etc...  It doesn't mean a progression designed for a set number of locations won't work, it just makes to difficult to determine.

From the looks of posted results, the progression you're playing with works just fine.  The real way to analyze progressions is to replay a session using different progressions and see which one consistently gives the best results.

Without a doubt the ones that give the most units won will also require the larger bankroll to play and involve making larger bets and a progression that yields fewer units.

The progression's not so important in a winning system.  Pick one that suits your psychological makeup and bankroll.

Thank you George.

The graph above was just flat betting. I have only played it flat betting myself so far. However I am drawn to the idea of a progression particularly towards the backend of system9 when some really strong winning runs can come. Ophis did say he would incorporate some progressions into the Tracker. So I am looking forward to that. It should also help everyone get a clearer picture of how the system is played.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 23, 04:16 PM 2012
Those were a particularly nice set of spins but I couldn't help myself posting the graph, LoL.

One thing that I should clarify just in case is when do you end a game?

Let's say you have the following left.

5 12 (2) '2 streets left'

You now play until the very next loss and then end the game.

Don't stop when you get down to the last 2 streets left.

That's important because most of the long winning runs come when you are playing and there are only 2 streets left in your 1-12 line.

I had a run of 11 today. There was a run of 8 in the graph above.

Last week I hit my record and had a run of 13.

I don't mind running through a few games with anybody if you are getting stuck.

Just drop me a PM.

Thanks

Hi flukey luke,


Nice results on your chart, will the software play exactly the same way as you would play manually, with recommendations on when it is best to exit the current session?


Also if you are getting good results flat, why bother with a progression, that dose not make sense to me just a thought.


Thanks


malcop

Hello malcop,

Yes, that's correct. It will be a mirror image of how I personally play it.

Ophis said he would incorporate a few progressions as well. So there is something for everyone's taste.

(p.s) To answer your question. There are times when it can turn into a grind session. There may be a tweak using a progression that can turn some of them grinders into quicker winning sessions. That part will be trial and error as GLC suggests. But it's something I want to explore.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 23, 04:40 PM 2012
Hello malcop,

Yes, that's correct. It will be a mirror image of how I personally play it.

Ophis said he would incorporate a few progressions as well. So there is something for everyone's taste.

(p.s) To answer your question. There are times when it can turn into a grind session. There may be a tweak using a progression that can turn some of them grinders into quicker winning sessions. That part will be trial and error as GLC suggests. But it's something I want to explore.

OK like you said something for everyone.


Thanks


malcop

Next week I'm going to clear my schedule *hak-kaf* and go at this full time.  I won't even stop to harass my ol' buddy, Johnlegend.

Gonna run his horse 'round the race track, I gaouronteee........

(Man that rum and coke is strong.........)

SomeCats

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 23, 04:55 PM 2012
Next week I'm going to clear my schedule *hak-kaf* and go at this full time.  I won't even stop to harass my ol' buddy, Johnlegend.

Gonna run his horse 'round the race track, I gaouronteee........

(Man that rum and coke is strong.........)

SomeCats

Im in a mellow mood tonight Sam. Been sipping Jim Beam and coke. Kicking back and thinking of the times to come.

enjoy the cokes with booze -----Im still trying to figure out how to play this-lol. Too many systems lately. But the graph is pretty

Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 23, 05:22 PM 2012
enjoy the cokes with booze -----I'm still trying to figure out how to play this-LoL. Too many systems lately. But the graph is pretty

Yes im with you there Tomla021, at the risk of sounding dumb. We should ask FL to simplify the basic rules. It looks very good and its working for Flukey. And like Sam has said methods get lost in translation if they are not clear.

Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 23, 05:22 PM 2012
enjoy the cokes with booze -----I'm still trying to figure out how to play this-LoL. Too many systems lately. But the graph is pretty

Eh? (hic!) Warra yer mean a've onny 'ad 6 ram n cokes. am notta boozebrain- nahhhh. Sory - get confuzed someof the times.. I swear to drunk I'm not God.

B A

Hello guys,

I will do a page in word in the morning simplifying the rules and post it up here.

Hopefully that will make it easier to digest.


cheers.

Thanks FL and cheers back at ya

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 23, 05:27 PM 2012
Eh? (hic!) Warra yer mean a've onny 'ad 6 ram n cokes. am notta boozebrain- nahhhh. Sory - get confuzed someof the times.. I swear to drunk I'm not God.

B A

Lol great funny Atlantis.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 23, 03:18 PM 2012
Hello guys,

Just a quick update on the Tracker/Bot.

Things are moving forward. Ophis and myself were running through some of the details today.

Just to whet the appetite.

This was around 100 spins.

[attachimg=1]

I'm adding to this Excel sheet from this chart.

it may help some of you understand how is it played.
Those numbers are from BV Single Zero Real Money.

Thanks FL and Ophis for work!
Best regards for you and other forum members!

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 22, 08:49 AM 2012
Here is a much smoother game I played yesterday. Asterix denotes wins.

(9) 2 street bet on next spin.
(9)* 2 streets bet on next spin.
(6) 1 street bet on next spin.
(4) 3 streets bet on next spin.
(4)* 2 streets bet on next spin.    3 streets bet 2,3,9
(4)* 2 streets bet on next spin.
(3) 6 streets bet on next spin.     
(3)* 7 streets bet on next spin.   
(3)*

I ended that game there and won +35 units.

The streets were as follows.....

9
6
3 
5
4
10
2
1
11
9

It would be a good test for anybody testing to make sure you get the same results.

Hello FL

I got different result betting after line 10 hit. U got 2,3,4,5,6,9,10,11 crossed out and u have
10-2 (2,4,9), 10-3 (3,5,11) and 10-9 (2,9,11)  so in my opinion u should bet 2,3,9 so 3 numbers. 
Please correct f im wrong.

Quote from: ophis on Jun 23, 07:12 PM 2012
I'm adding to this Excel sheet from this chart.

it may help some of you understand how is it played.
Those numbers are from BV Single Zero Real Money.

Hi ophis,


How hard would it be to have a save session option, that put it out in a format like you showed, would be a great way of keeping played sessions for review, and if it could be imported into excel even better :)


thanks


malcop

Quote from: malcop on Jun 24, 04:48 AM 2012
Hi ophis,


How hard would it be to have a save session option, that put it out in a format like you showed, would be a great way of keeping played sessions for review, and if it could be imported into excel even better :)


thanks
malcop

there is auto-save sessions.

but it only saves numbers spun and chart(graph).

later on if u rly want u can take those saved numbers and import them/run them in tracker
and get Excel raport.

for now there is no way to autosave excel.

Quote from: ophis on Jun 24, 05:03 AM 2012
there is auto-save sessions.

but it only saves numbers spun and chart(graph).

later on if u rly want You can take those saved numbers and import them/run them in tracker
and get Excel raport.

for now there is no way to autosave excel.

Hi ophis,


I know there is no way to export excel, you would have to have a excel sheet that could play the system and then, import the spun numbers, but even a text file played out with the session played would be great, for reference.


Thanks


malcop

Hello Robeenhuut,

You are right! The bets were streets 2,3,9.

I am playing at Eurogrand at the moment and they spin the ball pretty rapidly compared to some of the other 'live' online casinos.

I made out a miniature chart to sit next to my laptop and it is easy when you are rushing through the chart to miss a street to bet. It does not happen often but it happens.

I am looking forward to the tracker as much as the next guy. (no mistakes = no lost winnings)

Thank you Ophis for putting up that excel chart. I think that sheet explains things in a very clear manner.

Anyone studying the sheet above that Ophis uploaded should look at row 64.

There is only one street left here (the 12 street) You would not play here.

I think a simpler way of understanding is to say that you end a game when the 12 street is the only street left.

You could have a situation where there are 4 streets left and then 3 of them get knocked out leaving the 12 by itself. You would not play in this situation.

It could jump from 3 streets left to just the 12 street and bypass 2 streets left. You would not play in this situation.

I don't think it's a good idea to play when just the 12 street is left. I don't see the point of risking 10 units just to win 2. That really goes against the whole concept of the idea.

It was really my mistake in saying waiting for 2 streets left and then playing to the very next loss because you might not get 2 streets left as explained above.

The good news is we are getting there. All the little niggles are getting ironed out.

Thanks.

Fluke last night i was left with 3 uncrossed lines and i moved to 1 uncrossed line(11 lines betting).Well i continued betting and bot had 21 hits on that 11 lines before losing.What would you recommend?


edit: just read your post

This 12th street is very naughty!  :P

The thing is xxlakis that an early loss playing like that may wipe out the gains from any earlier wins in the game.

All you are really doing when the 12 is the only street left to appear is betting for the very last street not to appear and the 12 street not to appear.

example.

street 5 has just appeared.

so now you would be betting 1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,10,11 = 10 bets.

street 8 then appears.

So now you bet 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11 = 10 bets.

Now if street 8 appears (repeat) or the 12 street appears, you have lost.

I know from personal experience you can get huge winning runs from playing for the repeat street and the 12 street not to show.

All I can say is that I would not personally play it like that.

For example... playing when there are 2 streets left (maybe the 6 and 12) will see you only playing 7 streets. I think that's ok and the winning runs can still be good like the 8W you see in the sheet above.

Hope that helps.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 24, 05:56 AM 2012
Hello Robeenhuut,

You are right! The bets were streets 2,3,9.

I am playing at Eurogrand at the moment and they spin the ball pretty rapidly compared to some of the other 'live' online casinos.

I made out a miniature chart to sit next to my laptop and it is easy when you are rushing through the chart to miss a street to bet. It does not happen often but it happens.

I am looking forward to the tracker as much as the next guy. (no mistakes = no lost winnings)

Hola FL

Thanks 4 clarification. No big deal. U saved 1u n still got a win  :D Speaking about fast spins. SMLive casino airball is not as fast as PP or WH but still its a challenge 2 figure out n place bets on time. But 4 some people it takes more time 2 punch in numbers n enter bets using a tracker than 2 do it old fashioned way. But kudos 2 Ophis anyway.

Regards

graph looks great..according to 12 street i would say lets not punch the cake while still in the oven..lets stick to flukes rules and once tracker is ready you can see how it goes and make adjustments if required... :thumbsup:

Hello Tomla + JL,

Here is the example I promised. All you need is the chart which can be found over at system9.weebly.com and the sheet that Ophis uploaded which you will find above. I think that will be the best way to explain things.

You need a scorecard / sheet of paper as well.

Write down the numbers 1-12 on the top of your card.

1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12.

So looking at the sheet, you can see the first number out was 23 (street 8}

The next number out is 11 (street 4)

So the 8 street has went to the 4 street.

If you look at the chart on my pages, you need to look for the 8-4.

Here are all the 8’s.

8-1 = (1,3,5)
8-2 = (2,5,6)
8-3 = (3,7)
8-4 = (4,8,9)  *****here it is*****
8-5 = (5,9,11)
8-6 = (1,6,10)
8-7 = (2,7,11)
8-8 = (8,12)
8-9 = (1,9,10)
8-10 = (2,8,10)
8-11 = (3,6,11)
8-12 = (4,12)

So 8-4 = 4,8,9.

You now cross the 4,8,9 out on your 1-12 line on the top of your card.

It leaves you with the following.....

1  2  3  5  6  7  10  11  12  (9) The 9 here in brackets now represents that there are only 9 streets left.

You can see looking at the sheet from Ophis that the 4,8,9 have been removed from the second line.

So now how do I work out if there is a bet....

I use the same chart. But the current street out is now the 4 street because number 11 appeared. So I need to look at all the 4’s. Here they are.....


4-1 = (1,6,9)
4-2 = (2,8,10)
4-3 = (3,10,11)
4-4 = (4,12)
4-5 = (1,2,5)
4-6 = (2,4,6)
4-7 = (3,5,7)
4-8 = (3,4,8}
4-9 = (1,5,9)
4-10 = (6,10,11)
4-11 = (7,9,11)
4-12 = (7,8,12)

Now remember the three missing streets are the 4,8,9.

I look through all these 4’s for a combination of the 4,8,9. If I find one, I need to bet that street on the next spin. No other street can be in one of these lines with the 4,8,9.
4-1 = (1,6,9) *no*
4-2 = (2,8,10) *no*
4-3 = (3,10,11) *no*
4-4 = (4,12) *no*
4-5 = (1,2,5) *no*
4-6 = (2,4,6) *no*
4-7 = (3,5,7) *no*
4-8 = (3,4,8} *no*
4-9 = (1,5,9) *no*
4-10 = (6,10,11) *no*
4-11 = (7,9,11) *no*
4-12 = (7,8,12) *no*

So you can see there is no combination of the 4,8,9 in any of those lines and therefore there is no bet on the next spin.

The next number out is 36. (street 12)

So the last street (4) went to this current street (12)

Looking at the chart, find the 4-12.

Here it is......

4-1 = (1,6,9)
4-2 = (2,8,10)
4-3 = (3,10,11)
4-4 = (4,12)
4-5 = (1,2,5)
4-6 = (2,4,6)
4-7 = (3,5,7)
4-8 = (3,4,8}
4-9 = (1,5,9)
4-10 = (6,10,11)
4-11 = (7,9,11)
4-12 = (7,8,12)  *****here*****

So 4-12 = 7,8,12.

You now cross out the 7 and 8 on your 1-12 line on your card. (you have already crossed out the 8 earlier)

**IMPORTANT RULE**

Never cross out the 12 on this line.

So your 1-12 line should now look like this.

1  2  3  5  6  10  11  12.  (9)  (8} There are now only 8 streets left.

So we need to see if there is a bet.

I go back to the chart and the current street out is the 12.

Here are the 12’s.


12-1 = (1,11)
12-2 = (1,2)
12-3 = (3)
12-4 = (4,5)
12-5 = (5,7)
12-6 = (6,9)
12-7 = (7,10)
12-8 = (8}
12-9 = (6,9)
12-10 = (4,10)
12-11 = (2,11)
12-12 =  (12)

So now there are 4 missing streets. They are the 4,7,8,9.

I look through all the 12’s for a combination of the 4,7,8,9.

12-1 = (1,11) *no*
12-2 = (1,2) *no*
12-3 = (3) *no*
12-4 = (4,5) *no*
12-5 = (5,7) *no*
12-6 = (6,9) *no*
12-7 = (7,10) *no*
12-8 = (8} *yes! So this is a bet.*
12-9 = (6,9) *no*
12-10 = (4,10) *no*
12-11 = (2,11) *no*
12-12 =  (12) *no*

So there is a bet on street 8 on the next spin.

The next number out is 24 (street 8} It’s a winner.

This is how it’s done. You should now be able to work your way through the rest of the sheet using the chart and your card and understand what’s going on.

It is not that difficult once you have had a few goes at it.

Cheers.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 24, 06:29 AM 2012
Anyone studying the sheet above that Ophis uploaded should look at row 64.

There is only one street left here (the 12 street) You would not play here.

I think a simpler way of understanding is to say that you end a game when the 12 street is the only street left.

You could have a situation where there are 4 streets left and then 3 of them get knocked out leaving the 12 by itself. You would not play in this situation.

It could jump from 3 streets left to just the 12 street and bypass 2 streets left. You would not play in this situation.

Here is sheet with corrected behavior.
Please confirm those results.

Hello Ophis,

Yes, that's correct. Thank you very much!

You're right, this is a reasonably easy system to learn and not too difficult to play.  Testing is a bear.  I've been trying to see if there's a rhyme or reason to the development of your charts.  And I'm with MOP, why is the 12 street different than the other streets?

Was this charting system put together based on the wheel layout?  If there's no unrevealed reason for the relationships in the chart, couldn't we use the same playing method but make the chart a little more use friendly.  Otherwise I'll have to agree that this is based on "Voodoo".

Maybe the piece of the puzzle that makes this a winning system is not the chart, but the bet selection method and some of your, as Victor says "conscious" decisions made during play.

I always feel better playing a system if I know the "whys and wherefores" that cause it to work.  The more light you can shed on this aspect of the system, would be helpful.  Realizing that it's your system and I respect your right to reveal as much as you want regarding how you put it together.

Since you are freely revealing how to play the system to the world, and you have presented it in a very professional manner, and we have enough respect for you that we are willing to take your word at face value that you have been winning with  this for the past 6-9 months; what difference would it make to share how you came up with the charts.

Just being nosey.

GLC

George,  It's a long thread but here is what I wrote earlier....

If you look at the chart and at series 1....

1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2)
1-3 = (2,3,4)
1-4 = (3,4,6)
1-5 = (4,5,8)
1-6 = (5,6,10)
1-7 = (6,7,11)
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10)
1-11 = (3,10,11)
1-12 = (1,11,12)

So assuming that street 1 has just appeared, there are only 2 chances that it can go to the 12 street.

Either you are going to get a repeat street on the 1 and therefore (1,12) or it is going to go to the 12 street and therefore (1,11,12)

There are 3 chances it can go to a 3.
Three chances it can go to a 4.
Three chances it can go to a 5 etc...


You will see the same if you go through the whole chart.


That explains the rationale behind the 12 street.


I tried all sorts of charts to somehow try and get to a point where you can bet as few streets
as possible and still get some winning runs. This particular chart works the best. I don't really want to change it for that reason.

Testing it in the initial stages is going to be a slog if you are not used to it. It will very soon become second nature for anyone who sticks at it and likes to play manually.

The good news is the tracker is on the way for those who would prefer to play it that way.

Regards

fl 

I should have added that a player could not come to a different conclusion on what to bet than what I would personally bet.

The only subjective decisions a player will really be making is if they want to just play at the beginning of a game betting one or two chips hoping to catch an early win or maybe just play at the end of a game when the wins are more likely to come in groups but the outlay is more. Alternatively would be to play a game right through from start to finish.

Then you decide if you are going to flat bet or use some type of progression. 

Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 24, 01:03 PM 2012
I should have added that a player could not come to a different conclusion on what to bet than what I would personally bet.

The only subjective decisions a player will really be making is if they want to just play at the beginning of a game betting one or two chips hoping to catch an early win or maybe just play at the end of a game when the wins are more likely to come in groups but the outlay is more. Alternatively would be to play a game right through from start to finish.

Then you decide if you are going to flat bet or use some type of progression.

You are a good man!

Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 24, 01:20 PM 2012
You are a good man!

:thumbsup:

Quote from: jarabo002 on Jun 21, 05:00 PM 2012
Many thanks
It would be perfect if somebody make a piece of software about this very special system :smile: .

Anybody?

There you go:

BOT/TRACKER:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-software/74/release-flukey-luke-system-9-bottracker/9722/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-software/74/release-flukey-luke-system-9-bottracker/9722/)

Is it for everyone?

The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

Thank you very much, ophis and flukey luke.


lets go to try it!


JavierTT

It should be available to everyone M_O_P.

Thank you to Ophis and good luck to everyone who decides to test and play system9.

fl

The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

I would drop a PM to iggiv M_O_P.

Other members seem to be able to access it ok.

thanks

Hello all.


My first results WITH TRACKER are not good, using old permanences.


Go ahead. Good Luck.


JavierTT

ok, well I think if we are putting up results, we should put spins played and the balance either + or -.

It would also be a good idea to say when the wins and losses came in games.

Something like the following....

(9) 2 street bet on next spin.
(9)* 2 streets bet on next spin.
(6) 1 street bet on next spin.
(4) 3 streets bet on next spin.
(4)* 2 streets bet on next spin.
(4)* 2 streets bet on next spin.
(3) 6 streets bet on next spin.
(3)* 7 streets bet on next spin.
(3)*

The asterix denotes the wins.

It would be useful for studying. If we are to gain anything, I think we need to see what's going on rather than just say it had a winning session or losing session.

I played 2 sessions and they had a lot of winning spins at the end of the games. This particularly could be the most interesting bit of information about this system.

Here is an example of what I am talking about...




From spin 79. There are three streets left...

The wins came out...

W7, W6, W7, W8, W7, L5 (now 2 streets left) W5, W5, W5, W5, L7. (now just the 12 left)

Now this is a common feature of a lot of games.

This kind of information is what we need in my opinion. (because maybe a slight progression type bet could be played when the system hits 3 streets left looking to take advantage of these situations depending on the + or -)

One of the appealing features of this system is that there are many times when you get down to 3 streets left on the 1-12 line and you are still only required to make bets of 4-5 streets giving you a profit of 7-8 chips.  A run here of 3 or 4 wins can pay for a good few losing games.

The game after produced...

3 streets left.. W8, W7, W6, L5 (2 streets left) W5, L7.

So in 2 games I have had the following...

3 streets left = 8W + 2L. +46.
2 streets left = 5W + 2L. +13.

The bot is amazing. Very well done!! Thank you

Quote from: Juiced91 on Jun 24, 04:27 PM 2012
The bot is amazing. Very well done!! Thank you

It certainly exceeded my expectations. It's fantastic.


Another game...

3 streets left. W7, W6, W6, W7, W6, W7, W6, W7, W7, L6
2 streets left. W5, W5, W5, W5, W5, W4, W4, L7

The thing here is the wins can go on and on. A loss at three streets left either takes it to 2 streets left or ends the game. There are no huge downsides but the potential for some big upsides as in my example.

Maybe a labouchere type bet or even Lanky's divisor could work well in this situation.

Next 2 games....

3 streets left W7, W7, W7, L6
2 streets left L6

3 streets left W5, W7, L5
2 streets left L8

I still can t test as i can t have access.
Is it downloadable?

I don't know what to suggest M_O_P.

I had no problem downloading it.

Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 24, 05:31 PM 2012
I still can t test as i can t have access.
Is it downloadable?

download worked fine for me, but in the meantime if your gave your email address to someone they could send it to you as a file attachment.


Thanks


malcop

FOR ALL

Thanks speed  O0

 This is an attempt to provide a very solid bet progression for this system.  It is an adaptation of one of my favorite bet progressions.  The popular name for the bet progression is “The Penthouse Method”.

This method is very solid and if you have a winning system, this method will help you to win more than a flat bet with little chance of it getting out of control.

The Penthouse method was introduced to be played on dozens but it can be adapted to any bet location.

When playing Streets you begin your line with the amount you are betting.  Usually this is 1 unit.  If you lose, you just add to the right another 1 and your line looks like this 1 1.  Since the odds are 11:1 we will use the number 12 as our limit for betting a 1 and losing.  That means that once I have bet 1 and lost it 12 times, I will begin betting 2 each time until I have lost my 2 bets 12 times.  Now the odds are that you will only win 1 time in 12 tries betting on the Streets so expect to have a lot of losses and few wins. 

You always write down on the right end of the line the number of units you are betting.  When you finally win a bet, you circle or underline that bet and cross off the 11 losses to the left of that win number.

Let’s say you just lost 15 bets in a row your line will look like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2
That’s 12 each 1’s and after losing 12 times at a bet level we move to the next level so the last 3 bets were at the 2 unit level.  Let’s say we win bet 16.  Our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2
Now we only have 4 uncrossed off 1’s and we don’t bet 2 units until we have 12 uncrossed off 1’s so our next bet will be 1 and our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1
Let’s say we lose the next 10 bets, our line will look like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2
After we had 12 lost 1 unit bets we had to go to 2 unit bets
Let’s say we win the next bet.  Our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2
Since we only have 3 uncrossed off 1’s we go back to betting 1’s until we win again or lose another 9 at which time we go on to 2’s.  And remember the two underlined 2's (I used underlining since I don't know how to cricle a number in this system) don't count as uncrossed off numbers.  When I say uncrossed off I also mean circled/underlined also.
We continue in this manner until we have either circled or crossed off all numbers in the line.  To determine how much you are up, you just multiply the numbers you have circled by 11 and subtract the non-circled numbers whether they’re crossed off or not and you’ll have the number of units you’re up.
Any time you cross off all the numbers, you will be in the positive and you can either quit or start another line.

Also, you can continue the Penthouse lines from one set of spins to another.  Just because you start with a fresh set of 12 streets doesn't mean you have to zero out all the progressions.  Keep them where they are and continue into the next attack.

Okay, that’s how to do the Penthouse bet method.  Since we have to bet a different number of streets each bet opportunity, we will have to keep a Penthouse line on each Street.  That means we will be playing each street separately even though we will be betting them along with other streets.  If we are betting the 2, 5 &10 streets, we must look at the 2 Street Penthouse line to see what the next bet should be on the 2 Street.  Same thing for the 5 and 10 streets.  Most of the time we will be betting either 1 or 2 on any given street.  So it won’t be as complicated as it appears at first.  You will occasionally be betting different amounts on every Street you bet.  With practice, this will be doable, although it will take some practice.

If you want, you can reset all 12 Penthouse progressions whenever you reach a new win target overall.  It’s not necessary to complete every Street progression before resetting.

If this system of FL’s really works, this Penthouse progression method will work to increase your wins over a flat bet.

If you want you can make it more aggressive by moving up the progression after losing only 10 or 8 times instead of 12.  Or make it safer by waiting until you have 15 or 18 uncrossed off numbers before moving to the next level.  This bet method is very flexible.  Play it to suit yourself.

I know it seems complicated and maybe it will prove to be too cumbersome to be realistic to play in B&M casinos, but playing on-line on a live wheel with your computer running Ophis’ tracker, you should be able to get your bets on the table in plenty of time.

I know this may appear complicated the the newbies, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment.

Use it if you like it.  Chuck it if you don't.

Cheers,
GLC

Hi GLC,


Thanks for "The Penthouse Method" progression, that should work out very well with a Single Dozen/Column method I'm working on at the moment, I only play it flat-betting but I think your progression will work a treat.

I was looking for a shallow progression that could complement it.

Thanks


malcop

I finally  downloaded the bot and its a very nice bot.well done ophis.
The system is good so far with nice winning streaks.
148 spins =+48
in a stage i was +72
the worst down was -40

What bothers me is that we never bet the 12th ... lol

This is one of the more original feeling methods I have played in a while, and I am grateful for the tracker that is making testing it so much easier.  I think that if we had a better understanding of the underlying theory/methodology that is determining what we are to play, we might be able to give some feedback to strengthen the system as a whole.

I have had some good sessions with this, and this first run with the bot has been enough negative to wipe out all the positive I had gotten with this to date.  Can you share how you came up with the streets that you cancel out?  Also, I am still tied up on the WHY we don't cancel out the 12th line.  It is just as statistically feasible as any of the other streets.

I really want this to work, but I think it might be only successful with some constructive criticism from others on the forum. 

Quote from: malcop on Jun 24, 07:09 PM 2012
Hi GLC,


Thanks for "The Penthouse Method" progression, that should work out very well with a Single Dozen/Column method I'm working on at the moment, I only play it flat-betting but I think your progression will work a treat.

I was looking for a shallow progression that could complement it.

Thanks


malcop

Remember, Malcop, you can decrease the aggressiveness of the system on dozens and columns to having to lose 5 times before moving up the ladder instead of losing 3 times.  Also, because of the ebb and flow of wins vs losses your line can get pretty long with 1's, 2's,4's etc... uncrossed off scattered all along the line.  The thing that gives you wins is when you just started betting say 4 units and have a win and you cross off two 3's.  You win 8 units but only cross off 6 for a 2 unit net.  Some times you win on the third 2 or whatever and have to cross off two 2's for a net gain of zero.  But that's to be expected for added safety.

I hope it does help with your other system.  If it works well, share your system with us. :thumbsup:

GLC

FL.  I don't mean to muddy your topic with extra stuff.  Please delete this post.  I'm sure Malcop won't mind.  Hopefully he's read it already.  I'll also PM him.

I am really grateful for the system and the bot! I really do and it seems that both are working very good.

But I have the same questions/thinking as Colbster

""""Can you share how you came up with the streets that you cancel out?  Also, I am still tied up on the WHY we don't cancel out the 12th line.  It is just as statistically feasible as any of the other streets.

I really want this to work, but I think it might be only successful with some constructive criticism from others on the forum.  """"

Hi GLC.
I calculated and in some stages with the pethouse progression we do not need to cross of ALL the line(bets) in order to be in a new positive.....in some cases even if some of the bets are still uncrossed , we can be in a new positive....

Is this right?

Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 24, 10:38 PM 2012
Hi GLC.
I calculated and in some stages with the pethouse progression we do not need to cross of ALL the line(bets) in order to be in a new positive.....in some cases even if some of the bets are still uncrossed , we can be in a new positive....

Is this right?

That's correct, MOP.  Reply #188 explains briefly why.  And as I also stated, we can play with more or less losses before moving up.  Another way to play the progression is like this:
111111111111222222222222333333333333444444444444555555555555666666666666etc...
Move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 11 steps to the left on a win.
You could also play with this line for more units won per spin but also with greater risk of reaching larger bets:
111111112222222233333333444444445555555566666666etc...
Or:
111111111111111222222222222222333333333333333444444444444444etc...
With these bet lines, just play until you get back to the leftmost 1 and you will be ahead by some units.  How far to the right you go and then come back determines how many units you will be ahead.
The last one is mildly more aggressive than a flat bet, but in a really bad losing streak, you can still find yourself pretty deep in the hole.  Such is the nature of all progressions.

I did say that if this is a winning system, a mild progression like this can help improve the units won per spin ratio.

I would increase the bank rolls from 50 and 100 units to 100 and 200 units if you're going to use this progression.

With number of locations  to bet on any given spin varrying from 1 to as many as 8-10, standard progressions don't really apply unless you break them down to 1 for each Street.

A general statement. 
This Penthouse method is an excellent method to use on any payoff bet.
Even chances would use the following:
1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 9 9etc... Move 1 to the right on a loss and 1 to the left on a win.
Dozens:
1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 etc...Move 1 to the right on a loss and 2 to the left on a win.
Lines:
1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4etc...Move 1 to the right on a loss and 5 to the left on a win.

You can adjust all the lines to make them more or less aggressive.  Just add more numbers at each level for safety and remove numbers at each level for agressiveness.

Or, you can adjust how many units you move to the left on a win.  Take dozens for example, you could only move 1 step to the left on a win instead of 2.  Don't make the mistake of moving more than the appropriate number of steps to the left on a win or you will find yourself still in the hole when you get back to the beginning of the line.
I say it's a mistake, not always.  It can also be a buffer to keep from your bets getting too high.  But that's for another time.

My biggest respect and thanks to Luke and Ophis for this nice piece of work. I'll keep you posted on my progress. Live wheels only  :)

I just received a PM from Malcop and in it he triggered a concept that I wanted to share with the forum.  It has to do with all the tweaks that are suggested as soon as someone posts a new system.  I admit that I am one of the offenders.  I apologize for the many times I have been guilty of doing this exact thing.  I comes from being a system designer and always seeing a different way to approach a new system.  Not better, just different.

Malcop's comment made me think of this large dam that you walk up to and notice that there's a hole leaking water and there are many other holes that have plugs in them.  You grab a plug, pull it out of the hole it's plugging and run over and push it into the hole that's unplugged.  What's the problem with this picture?  The hole you took the plug out of is now leaking just as bad as the one you plugged up.

Our problem is there's at least 1 too few plugs to plug all the leaks.  It's called the house edge.  There's 100 holes and only 97 plugs.  Leave other people's systems alone for at least a week to see if it needs fixing.  It probably will, but your fix will need fixing also.  End of story.

Now have a good day,

George

I just wanted to make a point regarding the Penthouse progression.  When you play a double dozens system and you use the penthouse progression on all three dozens separately, there is a safety brake that can be applied if one of the dozens has a long losing run.  You can take the extra units from 1 dozen and add them to the other 2 dozens.  This keeps the unit sizes more proportional.  In the same way, if 1 dozen is having a really good run and the other 2 dozens are getting larger and larger bet sizes, you can take some of their units and put them on the hot dozen.  These 2 practices can keep the bets more moderate and if anything they will result in winning a few more units.  Test it out and see if I'm not right.

I used the dozens, but it applies to all bet locations as well. Even Chances, Lines, Streets, Splits, even Single numbers.  Heck, it's the pinnacle of bet progression methods.  Now that we all know about it, all casinos might as well close their doors.

Just kidding, >:D

GLC

GLC, in this forum your work is amazing. I have learned many things from you. :thumbsup:

The penthouse is indeed a powerfull progression...thx for posting it up GLC.
I had a go with the 3 doz and won 10u very easily.

vundarosa

Again, I am going to ask for a dgt code, an excel file o something similar to play the Penthouse 3 dozens progression as GLC explain it, with a reset on a new profit, and distribute the bets in case of big holes. Because it can be difficult to track.

Quote from: jarabo002 on Jun 26, 04:32 AM 2012
GLC, in this forum your work is amazing. I have learned many things from you. :thumbsup:

First u need to learn that if system is losing in flat bet then progression will not help.

"""First u need to learn that if system is losing in flat bet then progression will not help."""

Unfortunately this is truth.

Except if the losses in a row are limited. But this also can t happen.

Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 26, 08:39 AM 2012
"""First u need to learn that if system is losing in flat bet then progression will not help."""

Unfortunately this is truth.

Except if the losses in a row are limited. But this also can t happen.

Yeah... cliche after cliche  there r 2 many factors involved 2 make such a claim. What is flat bet?  How many spins, win goal, stop-loss etc...Test a system over a number of spins flat n with prog n then you could really tell.

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 26, 09:27 AM 2012
Yeah... cliche after cliche  there r 2 many factors involved 2 make such a claim. What is flat bet?  How many spins, win goal, stop-loss etc...Test a system over a number of spins flat n with prog n then you could really tell.

Of course!

Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 26, 08:39 AM 2012
"""First u need to learn that if system is losing in flat bet then progression will not help."""

Unfortunately this is truth.

Except if the losses in a row are limited. But this also can t happen.

Try to ride the peaks of your bet selection.
Simplistically you can attack after a Win that comes after a series of Losses. ...LLW
-That you can try to reduce fluctuation. (losses in a row)
-There are other options as skipping bets, and filtering the registry. For more on that:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/13/ec-no-trolling/9594/
[/size] :thumbsup:
Cheers

Quote from: speed on Jun 26, 07:01 AM 2012
First u need to learn that if system is losing in flat bet then progression will not help.

Boring! :yawn:

Quote from: GLC on Jun 26, 02:24 PM 2012
Boring! :yawn:

Perhaps,  but it is truth, deviations kill all progressions.

If the next step does not have a deviation of the difference will always be I've tried dozens of systems. All of them are not working because of the deviations.

Speed,  I know that you are correct, but what fun is that?

Any system I post or encourage I know is not a system that you can go to a casino, sit down and start racking up the chips and when you have enough, cash in and go home.

But, most of them give you a better chance at winning every now and then than playing the slots.  I assume that most people who play roulette enjoy gambling as a recreational pasttime.  Gambling only with money they count as disposable income.  If not shame on you.

I have a couple of systems that I'm still ahead of the casino playing.  It's fun to see if my knowledge of the game, self control, money management can beat them.  I have no illusions that I can't lose.  If you read my posts, you'll know that I even warn members and guests that they can lose with an advantage because of your "deviations."  They need to be aware of the gambler's ruin formula which calculates how many chips you need in your bankroll to give yourself the best odds of not going broke based on your advantage or disadvantage.  Also, remember my analogy to the guy shuffling plugs around in a leaky dam.  He's always 1 plug short.

Off the subject, am I right in assuming that you are Serbian?

GLC

Well, i want to make you a question.


Recently, a new law in Spain cant let me to play with "Live Dealers". I dont know why. Im angry about that, but nothing i can do by now.


Im trying with a random numbers generator and results are good by now.


The question is obvious: What do you think about play your system on RNG mode?  :question: [size=78%]    [/size]Have you tried it? I dont mean that i am going to play in a rng casino. Im talking about system9 on RNG[size=78%] [/size] ^-^ [size=78%] [/size]


Please, dont tell me: Play on a land base casino or play with live dealer. I cant do now.   :-[ [size=78%] [/size]Well... it maybe dublinbet. I m not sure ???


Thank you.


JavierTT

I am running the System9 bot on Bet Voyager and winning---for now.  Maybe all luck.  I always say that.

Try it with pennies.  How bad can it be?

Sam

Quote from: GLC on Jun 26, 07:57 PM 2012
Speed,  I know that you are correct, but what fun is that?

Any system I post or encourage I know is not a system that you can go to a casino, sit down and start racking up the chips and when you have enough, cash in and go home.

But, most of them give you a better chance at winning every now and then than playing the slots.  I assume that most people who play roulette enjoy gambling as a recreational pasttime.  Gambling only with money they count as disposable income.  If not shame on you.

I have a couple of systems that I'm still ahead of the casino playing.  It's fun to see if my knowledge of the game, self control, money management can beat them.  I have no illusions that I can't lose.  If you read my posts, you'll know that I even warn members and guests that they can lose with an advantage because of your "deviations."  They need to be aware of the gambler's ruin formula which calculates how many chips you need in your bankroll to give yourself the best odds of not going broke based on your advantage or disadvantage.  Also, remember my analogy to the guy shuffling plugs around in a leaky dam.  He's always 1 plug short.

Off the subject, am I right in assuming that you are Serbian?

GLC

First i must say that you're very good with progressions, perhaps the best. Now I understand that you play roulette for fun but most people here do it because they feel that way can earn, but this is not true and they need to know.

None of these mathematical systems in the forum does not reduce the house advantage, will we  use a progression or hit and run or a different bet selection etc etc, in other words whatever we do it remains the same 2.7%. Second enemy is the deviation, but maybe we can change that enemy to our advantage, by this I mean on the positive progressions, but still remain the first enemy who is undefeated and is called house advantage.  :-\

Off the subject, yes am Serb :), why?

Quote from: speed on Jun 27, 03:17 AM 2012
Off the subject, yes am Serb :) , why?

In 1995-1998 I lived in Sofia.  It was an interesting place to live for a few years.  I had a small business exporting hand-made artifacts to the US for sale in gift shops.  I often had to travel to Budapest for medical reasons for my daughter.  The Bulgarian doctors we well trained, they just didn't have medical supplies at the time.  Flying was an option, but we preferred to drive so we would have our car in Budapest.  We had 2 options.  Go through Vidin across the Danube into Romania, through Timisoara and on the Budapest.  Or take E-75 through Serbia.

Our 1st trip we decided to go through Romania.  Bad move.  1st, the ferry across the Danube is a joke.  We sat for the better part of a day just to cross the Dunab.  Then the roads were terrible, littered with potholes.  It took most of 24 hours to make the drive.

Our 2nd trip we went through Serbia.  As you know, especially then, I don't know about now, but E-75 was a fabulous road.  A toll road, but well worth the toll.  A little frustrating in that you had to pay in Marks instead of dollars or dinar. 

Just outside of Nice I always pulled in for gas/petrol to insure that I could make it all the way to Budapest without having to gas up again.  I knew a little Bulgarian but almost no Serbian, although the languages had enough similarities that we could communicate a little.  Anyway, this petrol station attendant charged me about twice what the gas cost.  I complained and suggested that we go look at the pump and see what it said and he ran ahead of me and re-set it before I got there.  Okay, no big deal.  At the time, things were hard for Serbs so I just considered it a donation to his family.

The next trip I purposely stopped at the same petrol station.  I was determined not to get ripped off and was being very alert and after pumping the petrol, I pointed out to him the amount and I handed him a bill large enough to cover the gas, I think it was 100 dinar note.  I turned to put my gas cap back on and he started holding his hand out asking for more money.  I told him my 100 dinar note was more than enough and he showed me a 50 dinar note in his hand.  Without going through all the details, I ended up giving him another 50 dinar and once again he got about twice what the gas cost.

I wasn't all that upset.  It was really very little money for a rich American, right.  Well, not exactly, it was starting to add up.  Anyway,  I stopped there 1 more time on the next trip and I handed him 150 dinar and told him to keep the change.  He just grinned from ear to ear, shook my hand, slapped me on the back and said in almost perfect English,  "Thank you my American friend."

After that I filled up in Bulgaria and drove all the way through Serbia into Hungary and then filled up and on the Budapest.

Just wanted to let you know that I have no hard feelings about getting ripped off by your friend.  I guess according to him, he's my friend too.  It makes for a good story telling every now and then.

Thanks for listening.

George

Good story, George.

Had the same thing happen to me when I was a teenager.

.....still mad about it.

TCS

Quote from: speed on Jun 27, 03:17 AM 2012
First i must say that you're very good with progressions, perhaps the best. Now I understand that you play roulette for fun but most people here do it because they feel that way can earn, but this is not true and they need to know.

None of these mathematical systems in the forum does not reduce the house advantage, will we  use a progression or hit and run or a different bet selection etc etc, in other words whatever we do it remains the same 2.7%. Second enemy is the deviation, but maybe we can change that enemy to our advantage, by this I mean on the positive progressions, but still remain the first enemy who is undefeated and is called house advantage.  :-\

Off the subject, yes am Serb :), why?

WHY???

Avatar of Nikola Tesla

Quote from: GLC on Jun 27, 12:19 PM 2012
In 1995-1998 I lived in Sofia.  It was an interesting place to live for a few years.  I had a small business exporting hand-made artifacts to the US for sale in gift shops.  I often had to travel to Budapest for medical reasons for my daughter.  The Bulgarian doctors we well trained, they just didn't have medical supplies at the time.  Flying was an option, but we preferred to drive so we would have our car in Budapest.  We had 2 options.  Go through Vidin across the Danube into Romania, through Timisoara and on the Budapest.  Or take E-75 through Serbia.

Our 1st trip we decided to go through Romania.  Bad move.  1st, the ferry across the Danube is a joke.  We sat for the better part of a day just to cross the Dunab.  Then the roads were terrible, littered with potholes.  It took most of 24 hours to make the drive.

Our 2nd trip we went through Serbia.  As you know, especially then, I don't know about now, but E-75 was a fabulous road.  A toll road, but well worth the toll.  A little frustrating in that you had to pay in Marks instead of dollars or dinar. 

Just outside of Nice I always pulled in for gas/petrol to insure that I could make it all the way to Budapest without having to gas up again.  I knew a little Bulgarian but almost no Serbian, although the languages had enough similarities that we could communicate a little.  Anyway, this petrol station attendant charged me about twice what the gas cost.  I complained and suggested that we go look at the pump and see what it said and he ran ahead of me and re-set it before I got there.  Okay, no big deal.  At the time, things were hard for Serbs so I just considered it a donation to his family.

The next trip I purposely stopped at the same petrol station.  I was determined not to get ripped off and was being very alert and after pumping the petrol, I pointed out to him the amount and I handed him a bill large enough to cover the gas, I think it was 100 dinar note.  I turned to put my gas cap back on and he started holding his hand out asking for more money.  I told him my 100 dinar note was more than enough and he showed me a 50 dinar note in his hand.  Without going through all the details, I ended up giving him another 50 dinar and once again he got about twice what the gas cost.

I wasn't all that upset.  It was really very little money for a rich American, right.  Well, not exactly, it was starting to add up.  Anyway,  I stopped there 1 more time on the next trip and I handed him 150 dinar and told him to keep the change.  He just grinned from ear to ear, shook my hand, slapped me on the back and said in almost perfect English,  "Thank you my American friend."

After that I filled up in Bulgaria and drove all the way through Serbia into Hungary and then filled up and on the Budapest.

Just wanted to let you know that I have no hard feelings about getting ripped off by your friend.  I guess according to him, he's my friend too.  It makes for a good story telling every now and then.

Thanks for listening.

George

--Not NICE George mate,NIÅ 

Hmmmmmm

I thought it was very nice!

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 27, 03:59 PM 2012
Hmmmmmm

I thought it was very nice!

Sam

--- :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: vile on Jun 27, 03:54 PM 2012
--Not NICE George mate,NIÅ 

I suppose Nish or Nis would have been a better spelling.  Unfortunately I don't know how to get the little carrat above my S on my computer.  Sorry.  No offense intended.  I liked both Nis and Beograd.

Except one time I was driving through Beograd in the winter time and as you know, when it's snowing you have to slow down.  So I'm driving along at the normal speed and I get pulled over by the police.  He tells me I'm speeding because it's snowing.  I looked up in the sky and there were about 10 snow flakes as far as the eye could see.  He wanted like 2,000 dinar (I don't remember, maybe it was 200 dinar) which I didn't have on me because I only changed enough dollars into dinar to get me through Serbia.  (If you remember at that time Americans were not Serbian's favorite people.  Actually, we were told by our embassy not to travel through Serbia any more because it was too dangerous.)  I told the policeman that I didn't have 200 dinar.  He made me sit for about an hour while he pulled other cars over.  Every now and then he would come back and yell at me.  I couldn't understand his words, but his tone of voice communicated quite a bit.  My daughter who was only a couple of years old was crying in the back seat and finally he accepted a $50 bill from me and let me leave.  That was the last time I drove through Serbia.  After that I decided it was better to fly.

GLC

Sorry FL.  I know this has nothing to do with your system.  Feel free to delete.

I played the system using the bot with inside number progression configuration and seems like it is winning so far.

What do you guys think about the system? Are you winning too?

Quote from: GLC on Jun 27, 05:37 PM 2012
Sorry FL.  I know this has nothing to do with your system.  Feel free to delete.

Oh no dear George.


They are great road stories.


Maybe split to their own thread?  :)

Hello Guys,

I have not been on here for a few days because of things I needed to do.

I spent 2/3 days at home typing all this stuff out and neglected everything else.

So I am going to read through all the posts tonight/tomorrow morning and will then answer any questions/queries that were asked.

Cheers.

Thank you for some of the positive comments regarding system9.

I would like to suggest reading reply 178, 179 and 181 for anybody who is unsure on what may be the best way to play this system.

I have been pretty busy the last few days and have not spent much time at home. I will be adding system9 (splits) over the weekend. This plays the splits (ie.. 1/4, 2/5, 3/6 etc...)

You know the streets start from 12 and count down until you have just the 12 street left.

The splits start from 18 and count down until you have just the 18 split left.

The splits variant will give much longer winning runs at the backend as the splits are counting down.

The Tracker/Bot that Ophis created is brilliant. I would however suggest that it's important that you fully understand how to play system9 manually as well.

Thank you GLC for providing details of the 'penthouse progression' That kind of gentle MM may really suit system9 and the splits variant down to the ground because of some of the nice W patterns that appear at the backend of a game.

cheers

Hi Flukey,

Will this new splits add on to system9, be included int the tracker/bot?


Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Jun 28, 07:46 PM 2012
Hi Flukey,

Will this new splits add on to system9, be included int the tracker/bot?


Thanks

malcop

I am going to spend some time and see what happens if I play the streets and split variants at the same time. I have never played like that in a real B+M casino because of the time constraints. I will just normally choose one over the other and stick with it for the day.

A bit of experimenting should show me the right way to go with it. I am happy to pay Ophis myself to have a splits Tracker/Bot made up.

The splits variant results can be very volatile depending how it's played. I spent a week playing online where I only backed the 1-18 line until the count went down to 8 and then restarted. I won 2k. The luck was really on my side however because I lost a quarter of that the next week and could not buy a win. Playing the 1-18 line when there are just 3 splits left tends to see me placing an average of 11 splits down. I have seen plenty of winning runs at 20+. The downside is that it's pretty hard to track manually. I have a partner who helps me in the B+M casino. I can however manage it online as long as I have 60 seconds on the clock.

I have played quite a bit the last few days on different airball machines at some of my local casinos and things are working well. I still prefer to play manually. I like to get the feel of things. Experience can teach someone when to back off and when to ramp things up a bit.
I am more convinced than ever that roulette is a cyclic game where you have to ride the peaks and troughs. I am not saying that's easy and I am not saying I get it right all the time. But you can use it to your long term advantage and develop the skills necessary to stay ahead of the game.

I'd kick in a little........

For the splits........

No! This one is on me. I have had a few good days and I would like to share to the splits variant. The best W run on that so far is 23. Plenty of 15+ as well. (These results are betting when they are just a few splits remaining in the 1-18 line)

Obviously the streets variant will throw up more repeat streets and the 12 street than the split variant will throw up a repeat split and the 18 split. (That's part of the reason why the W runs are longer with the splits) It is pretty much based on the same idea. Just a BIGGER chart.  ;D

"""It is pretty much based on the same idea. Just a BIGGER chart. """

Yes me and some other members asked you if you can tell us about this idea.... how did u make the chart based on this idea....

We have asked you 2-3 times and we got no reply....if u don t want to share with us this idea , then just say so and I will never ask again... cya

Well, Mr. flukey lukey......

You're one of a kind!

If anyone is entitled to a win, it's you.

Sam

Quote from: GLC on Jun 27, 12:19 PM 2012
In 1995-1998 I lived in Sofia.  It was an interesting place to live for a few years.  I had a small business exporting hand-made artifacts to the US for sale in gift shops.  I often had to travel to Budapest for medical reasons for my daughter.  The Bulgarian doctors we well trained, they just didn't have medical supplies at the time.  Flying was an option, but we preferred to drive so we would have our car in Budapest.  We had 2 options.  Go through Vidin across the Danube into Romania, through Timisoara and on the Budapest.  Or take E-75 through Serbia.

Our 1st trip we decided to go through Romania.  Bad move.  1st, the ferry across the Danube is a joke.  We sat for the better part of a day just to cross the Dunab.  Then the roads were terrible, littered with potholes.  It took most of 24 hours to make the drive.

Our 2nd trip we went through Serbia.  As you know, especially then, I don't know about now, but E-75 was a fabulous road.  A toll road, but well worth the toll.  A little frustrating in that you had to pay in Marks instead of dollars or dinar. 

Just outside of Nice I always pulled in for gas/petrol to insure that I could make it all the way to Budapest without having to gas up again.  I knew a little Bulgarian but almost no Serbian, although the languages had enough similarities that we could communicate a little.  Anyway, this petrol station attendant charged me about twice what the gas cost.  I complained and suggested that we go look at the pump and see what it said and he ran ahead of me and re-set it before I got there.  Okay, no big deal.  At the time, things were hard for Serbs so I just considered it a donation to his family.

The next trip I purposely stopped at the same petrol station.  I was determined not to get ripped off and was being very alert and after pumping the petrol, I pointed out to him the amount and I handed him a bill large enough to cover the gas, I think it was 100 dinar note.  I turned to put my gas cap back on and he started holding his hand out asking for more money.  I told him my 100 dinar note was more than enough and he showed me a 50 dinar note in his hand.  Without going through all the details, I ended up giving him another 50 dinar and once again he got about twice what the gas cost.

I wasn't all that upset.  It was really very little money for a rich American, right.  Well, not exactly, it was starting to add up.  Anyway,  I stopped there 1 more time on the next trip and I handed him 150 dinar and told him to keep the change.  He just grinned from ear to ear, shook my hand, slapped me on the back and said in almost perfect English,  "Thank you my American friend."

After that I filled up in Bulgaria and drove all the way through Serbia into Hungary and then filled up and on the Budapest.

Just wanted to let you know that I have no hard feelings about getting ripped off by your friend.  I guess according to him, he's my friend too.  It makes for a good story telling every now and then.

Thanks for listening.

George

Good story from a good man. I have to notice that you were very brave when you are as an American at that time traveled through Serbia. It was a difficult time for people who lived in Serbia, the US and other western countries have imposed sanctions to us, they have exhausted our economy, people are trying to feed their families in all ways. I think this man, this day, at the petrol station just did what he had to help his family, and an additional motive is that, especially for the time, Americans were the bad guys for us. He was probably at the end realized that you're just a good man, and he crossed over the policy and told you that what is really meant. Only one year since you left Sofia, Serbia was at war with America and NATO. Thousands of innocent civilians were killed in that war by American bombs, and it is very difficult to forget.

But I hope that you would one day return to Serbia, and once again pass highway E-75 and restore old memories ..

Quote from: vile on Jun 27, 03:50 PM 2012
WHY???

Avatar of Nikola Tesla

We are away from the topic, but I'll tell you on anecdote about Nikola Tesla.
When Tesla went into the hotel where he lived, at the reception  one man says that he has a letter for him and told him the following words:
- "Your Excellency I have a letter for you", Tesla responds:
-"I am something more than Excellencies", confused receptionist responds:
- "Your Highness, I have a letter for you, Tesla fits him again:
-"I am something more than Highness", the receptionist very concerned because he not know the title of Tesla, tried again:
-"Your Majesty, I have letter for you", Tesla corresponds with a smile:
-"I am something even more, I am a Serb" ,and he took the letter and went to his room... :D

Quote from: speed on Jun 29, 04:41 AM 2012
We are away from the topic, but I'll tell you on anecdote about Nikola Tesla.
When Tesla went into the hotel where he lived, at the reception  one man says that he has a letter for him and told him the following words:
- "Your Excellency I have a letter for you", Tesla responds:
-"I am something more than Excellencies", confused receptionist responds:
- "Your Highness, I have a letter for you, Tesla fits him again:
-"I am something more than Highness", the receptionist very concerned because he not know the title of Tesla, tried again:
-"Your Majesty, I have letter for you", Tesla corresponds with a smile:
-"I am something even more, I am a Serb" ,and he took the letter and went to his room... :D

Maybe by father surname,but was born in Croatia and emigrated from there to USA

  I do not understand what you want to say

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 28, 08:26 PM 2012
I'd kick in a little........

For the splits........
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me too

while im betting 2-3 streets i get better hit ratio, nor i betting 8-10 streets :ooh:

Quote from: biagle on Jun 29, 04:16 PM 2012
while I'm betting 2-3 streets i get better hit ratio, nor i betting 8-10 streets :ooh:

Thank you for that.  Not near enough people sharing info here!!

Sam

I'm about ~70units in plus, running bot.
Playing flat bet, target per session ~10-20units, stop-loss ~x2-x3

hello can you tell me witch parameter precisly
you have implement in the bot to have sutch results
best

I have been using the bot for FL's system, but am getting really bad results on live wheel dublinbet.I have been inputting the spun numbers and selecting the listed streets but the results of been disastrous! Is there any changes you are suposed to make to the bot to improve results?

I'm not very technically minded so any advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks.

i? i already told. flat bet, target ~20-30 unitis per session, x2-x3 max loss

Quote from: biagle on Jun 29, 07:32 PM 2012
i? i already told. flat bet, target ~20-30 unitis per session, x2-x3 max loss

Hi biagle, I like your settings  :thumbsup:

I have started a seperate thread for the splits variant of system 9.

I am going to keep it locked until I get all the information down in the first few posts and then I will open it up.

cheers

Will u ever tell us how u are "cooking" those charts? Or will it remain a mystery?  :D

Hello M_O_P

Here was my answer to that question in 'reply 59'

''Regarding the chart. I am claiming the 5th amendment on that one. What I will say is that it is my way of trying to take the volatility out of the game and attempting to reduce the bets I need to place while still maintaining a half decent strike rate. It is working for me.''

There is your answer.  ;D

Take a look at the backend of the split variant and you may be surprised at some of the long W runs you can go on.

......would you believe me if I told you an old chinese man gave the chart to me on his death bed and made me promise to never reveal the secrets or he would put a curse on me.......

No I didn't think so!!

Have fun.

yes I saw ur answere before and this is why I asked u again.
Because this wasn t an answer...

anyway as I understand u don t even know the why...it s just because u saw that this 5th chart was working better than the others(in ur testing samples).
so this is a random chart and not a chart with a reason of why its cooked like its cooked.

I hope it will continue to win.

Oh, Flukey One...........

Tell me one something.  Forget the bot for a moment.  Does the mechanics of the thing work as you outlined in your original post?  That is to say, is it accurate in deciding which streets to bet on?

I would like to run some real money tests at Dublin.

TwoCatSam

Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 01, 08:01 PM 2012

so this is a random chart and not a chart with a reason of why its cooked like its cooked.

im starting to think this way too.

Because when betting ~7-10 streets ~60-80% im loosing.
When betting 1-4 streets it is hitting more times.

Hello guys.

I will try and answer a few of the questions from above.

I will say from the outset that I don't use the bot for real money at betvoyager. I use it for quicker testing and also as an analysis tool when I am playing at one of the 'live online casinos'. It's important to understand any method and not just rely on a bot for continuous play. I am saying this because there are times you are going to get all your wins playing system9 at the top end of the 1-12 line where you are only betting 1/2 streets. There are other times when you are going to get a lot of hits when there is only 2 to 3 streets left to cross out. You can improve your strike rate if you are playing manually and looking out for these events. You can't do much about it if you are letting the bot do all the work.

As an example.....

I was playing the splits variant last month for a week and most of the hits kept coming before the 1-18 line got down to 8 splits left. This meant I was only averaging a few splits per bet. I won over 2k. Now it struck me that I was enjoying a very positive swing at the top end of the 1-18 line and I did not even need to play down the bottom end where I would be risking more chips.

I have been playing the street variant in B+M casinos for most of the last week and most of the hits are coming with just 2-3 streets left. So I am waiting for the 1-12 line to countdown to 3 left before I start playing. I don't think I would have enjoyed the same success with system9 if I had just turned the bot on and left it running. Now I am not criticizing the bot. Ophis did a fabulous job. I thought the bot was a good idea because it would at least give anybody a better idea of what was going on. You could use it for analysis and to get a better understanding of system9.

Biagle. ''Because when betting ~7-10 streets ~60-80% I'm losing.''

I would stop betting the 7-10 streets if this is constantly happening. I would however be monitoring the situation and wait for the correction.

There is no system out there which you can play 100% mechanically and expect to win every session. I have noticed that almost every session I play has it's own set of characteristics. The trick is to try and get in sync with what's happening. That's why you need a good understanding of the system you are playing and how you can play it according to what's going on. This is why I am not so keen on bots for my personal use.

Quote from: flukey luke on Jul 03, 06:54 AM 2012
I have noticed that almost every session I play has it's own set of characteristics.

I should have added that this is where you can go horribly wrong if you get complacent.

A couple of easy winning sessions can soon lull you into a false sense of security. It happened to me the other night and I got my a$$ handed back to me on a silver platter.  ;D

Each session is a NEW session. The old saying about fools rush in where angels fear to tread is certainly applicable to this game.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 02, 08:39 PM 2012
Oh, Flukey One...........

Tell me one something.  Forget the bot for a moment.  Does the mechanics of the thing work as you outlined in your original post?  That is to say, is it accurate in deciding which streets to bet on?

I would like to run some real money tests at Dublin.

TwoCatSam

Luke

I re-ask the above question.  I am knocking the bot--it has virtually ruined my computer.  But does it do what you would do with pencil and paper and charts?  Is the thing accurate or have you even used it?

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 03, 07:19 AM 2012
Luke

I re-ask the above question.  I am knocking the bot--it has virtually ruined my computer.  But does it do what you would do with pencil and paper and charts?  Is the thing accurate or have you even used it?

Sam

According to comparison of bot results (chosed streets to bet) to the examples provided by FL everything is fine.

So yes i would say bet mechanics are implemented correctly.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 03, 07:19 AM 2012
I am knocking the bot--it has virtually ruined my computer.

This is some very bad coincidence...  ???
It can't ruin your computer if it doesn't do anything to your computer...

Actually how many people here are using Vista? Are you the only one?

and for the future...
you should use programs that you are not certain of in Virtual Machine with instaled winXP or smth.
This way it won't break your computer give you viruses or whatever else you think its doing.

and beside this you can run bot and do other stuff on your computer in the same time.
:.vmware.com (link:://:.vmware.com)
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_Workstation (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_Workstation)

I have vista.
I have only used the bot for testing so far but I couldn't close it last night, no matter how many times I pressed the X
Had to shut the computer down in the end

Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 03, 07:35 AM 2012
I have vista.
I have only used the bot for testing so far but I couldn't close it last night, no matter how many times I pressed the X
Had to shut the computer down in the end

this actually is happening to me to sometimes... alt+crtl+delete and close process helps  :question:

Yes Sam. The whole point of it is that it will give you a profit because of the accuracy of predictions. Like I said in the post above, I hit a spell last month where I was getting winner after winner just betting a few splits. That was not luck in my opinion. There are some huge winning runs at the bottom end of the line. I don't see these type of W runs in a lot of other systems.

The title of the thread is 'My PERSONAL h,g'

Think about it. I have developed this and learned how to use it. I believe anybody else can do the same. However there are no shortcuts and what I said in the above few posts holds true. 

Thank you, Wiz.

So, I guess I'll put this beast on my wife's computer.  She has 7. 

Yeah, when a pig flies over the house!

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 03, 07:38 AM 2012
Thank you, Wiz.

So, I guess I'll put this beast on my wife's computer.  She has 7. 

Yeah, when a pig flies over the house!

Sam

Please Sam.  Get VMWare Workstation ... (buy or torrents) and run bot inside this Virtual Machine.
I really dont want to be accused of breaking someones computer and it seems you have some bad luck with it.

link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_Workstation (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_Workstation)

What I can't understand is how nobody else seems to be having trouble with it.

I have never downloaded the newer versions because I am not using it as a bot like I said.

It performs excactly the same as I would play if I played a game the whole way through from start to finish.

Sam, use it as a tool to do some tracking against live wheels like dublinbet and smartlive and hopefully that will get your confidence restored. It seems to be making profits for several members here and I am still doing well with it. I'm sorry to hear about your problems with the p.c. but don't let that put you off.

I am using the bot with Oracle VM Virtualbox (its a free and easy to use software) with XP and it works perfectly.

ei

Quote from: jarabo002 on Jul 03, 07:50 AM 2012
I am using the bot with Oracle VM Virtualbox (its a free and easy to use software) with XP and it works perfectly.

Yes Oracle VM is very good, I have been using virtual machines for over 5 years now, on my windows 7 laptop, I have a Linux virtual machine, will build a XP virtual machine soon.

I do not beleive that the tracker/bot has viruses, I have two computers both kept upto date with virus databases, I scan files reguarly to keep on top of things.

I have been an IT professional for over 30 years now, owend a cumputer of some description for 35 years, built a few over the years, seen a few computer chrashes due to virus infection, and the one thing I know is nothing can stop your computer becoming infecected if the virus creater is determined enough.

All you can do is protect your data, photo's, personal files etc.

All my important files are kept in the cloud, I use dropbox, ubuntu 1, and livedrive, so if my computer goes bank, or even stolen, my data is safe and then all I'm worring about is how long it is going to take to rebuild/buy a computer.

From my own personal expeirence I think most computer anti virus programs are over bloated, they give the user a false sense of security, and in the long term do no beter than the free stuf you can get online or even microsofts free anti virus/malaware software.

I look at it this way bancks have the highest level of security there is but, people can still get around it and steal money can't they?

At the end of the day if you are really that worried then just use Linux.

by the way tell me something, who is making all the money from viruses, and have been for years?

Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Jul 03, 08:20 AM 2012
...and the one thing I do no is nothing can stop your computer becoming infecected if the virus creater is determined enough....

So true.

Quote from: malcop on Jul 03, 08:20 AM 2012
by the way tell me something, who is making all the money from viruses, and have been for years?

AntiVirus Companies  :thumbsup:

One thing about sharing a system is that it tends to get you thinking about the ins and outs of it more.

I have had a few ideas on how to improve system9 and have spent some time testing them over the last few days. I agree with Ophis that system9 as it is now can be a bit slow and tedious.

It may take 24/48 hours to type things up and explain in detail what it is excactly that I am doing. It will certainly take system9 to the next level. Reading a lot of the comments has helped me to look at a few things slightly different and has actually helped me iron out a few things which can only improve things.

flukey luke and ophis i want to say big thank you!

Im already making few euros with system/tracker.

Quote from: ophis on Jul 03, 07:29 AM 2012
This is some very bad coincidence...  ???
It can't ruin your computer if it doesn't do anything to your computer...

Actually how many people here are using Vista? Are you the only one?

and for the future...
you should use programs that you are not certain of in Virtual Machine with instaled winXP or smth.
This way it won't break your computer give you viruses or whatever else you think its doing.

and beside this you can run bot and do other stuff on your computer in the same time.
:.vmware.com (link:://:.vmware.com)
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_Workstation (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_Workstation)

How can I do this. I've tried.


Trebor

Quote from: trebor on Jul 03, 07:06 PM 2012



How can I do this. I've tried.


Trebor

Quote from: jarabo002 on Jul 03, 07:50 AM 2012
I am using the bot with Oracle VM Virtualbox (its a free and easy to use software) with XP and it works perfectly.

Flukey Luke has been banned. This is because it is john gold under a fake name, who is a known troll. As explained by another member:

He started a whole thread about how he had a winning method and after several weeks and even live team work he told everybody he was just putting everybody on etc and was rather dark about it all.

As this is his thread likely designed to also lead people on for his personal kicks, I'm locking the thread.