While being hospitilised noticed a post by F.J./giving suggestion to Sam how he would bet LvF 9 SPLITS/which took my attention after which I come with idea of 72/90,that won around 3000 un.in 54 days.But in the meantime come further to new idea how
it would beat the wheel with the same basic bet but with FLAT BETTING.
Switching tables after each cycle of 9 spins/eventually 2 cycles on same table if first losses/-----and why this change ????
Simply playing rand.versus rand.------without forcing same table and hitting the wall so often.
Took me a week to make out this excel of 4 Wiesbaden sessions in one.....couse didn't knew how to separate session windows
and all othe work involved.Asked for some advise,but nope......but never mind,did myself to prove to myself that this old brain still functions well,and must admit that feel as if I won ton of dough now.
You will notice/Sam mostly/great difference in outcomes betting thisway.
I will continue with this test further/as it will go faster now/---and I strongly believe this will become most profitable E/C flat bet
and again thk.to F.J......as reading his other post am aware that he is one of rares real pro.players here....and some of you guys even call him a scammer....He is professor of roulette for most of you.
Still posting those inexplicable excel sheets eh Flatman?
this system is explained many times in this forum.
You are wrong as usual,but acting as police inspector here shows me who you really are.
Maybe,after all you might larn something from those excel sheets.
To confirm, yes ilukan is flatman.
And frank was Mark Howe ( link:://:.roulettesystemreviews.com/index6.html#markhowe (link:://:.roulettesystemreviews.com/index6.html#markhowe) )
that's why seemingly out of nowhere he started attacking me and posting garbage links.
Anyway Mark, I wasn't going to bother publishing the latest, but anyway the below part sums up Mark nicely:
(link:://:.roulettesystemreviews.com/images/howe-frank.jpg)
He really is a sick guy, I mean really. I could go on forever about how he appears to have dedicated his life to bringing me down, and for what?.. he blames me for things like his girlfriend kicking him out of home. people that know him personally said I made him spend all his time promoting his product harder and never made enough money, so he got kicked out. His gf says he spent 24/7 promoting his scam and wouldnt get a job.
I could go on forever. The man is just lost I can't be bothered. Just remember mark, I don't care about you and want you to get a life. I know much more about you than I want to know. All I do is return the 1/100th of the love.
QuoteYou are wrong as usual
"AS USUAL"?... oh but I thought you were new here.
i agree he is sick. What bad concerts he gave here.
Quote from: biagle on Jan 13, 07:52 PM 2013
this system is explained many times in this forum.
Not even once.Evidently you are bad reader.It is democracy and anybody
can openly showing ignorance and stupidity as they choose.You better choose some
other hoby instead of roulette my friend or either read other sentences,not only LvF.
Then you might grasp that this method never been posted earlier.
BTW--just to let you know something; that any basical bet could be tested in dozens of
versions to finally come to the best one.The only way to become a winner.You I doubt
with such touch and go approach.
There needs to be understanding of WHY certain approaches are guaranteed failure. Then people will better focus on approaches that can work.
.. and it is important to understand ANY system can win in short term. Long term is very different. And 100 players all playing only short term doesnt improve the odds.
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 13, 04:57 PM 2013
...Switching tables after each cycle of 9 spins/eventually 2 cycles on same table if first losses...Simply playing rand.versus rand.------without forcing same table and hitting the wall so often.
I will continue with this test further/as it will go faster now/---and I strongly believe this will become most profitable E/C flat bet
...
Any more tests Luke - how is this performing?
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Jan 18, 07:06 AM 2013
Any more tests Luke - how is this performing?
--INCREDIBLE WITHOUT A LOSSIN SESSION AS YET,NOT EVEN NEAR IT.
--AM NOW AT THE FAZE OF WORKING ON COMPLICATED BOT RULES,THAT
MUST PLACE BETS IN HUMAN WAY,AND SEVERAL OTHER STRICT RULES THAT
ARISED THROUGHOUT TESTING,AS SOMETIMES WHEN YOU START ON TABLE 4,
FOR EXAMPLE,FROM TABLE 3 YOU COME TO, SO FAR FOR ME,UNSOLVED PROBLEM COUSE
YOU ARE MISSING SPINS TO CONTINUE AT THE DUE EXACT TIME FROM TABLE 3...WHY ????
COUSE IN THE MEANTIME WHILE PLAYING OTHER TABLES/2,7 WIESBADEN/TABLE THERE WAS NO PLAYERS AND OPPOSITE SITUATION ALIKE....IN THIS CASES AM HAVING COFFEE BREAK OR
SOMETIMES JUST JUMP THE TABLE..THIS I MUST SOLVE WITH BOT PROGRAMER/S--thk for asking,but this will never come out public...maybe just for several ppl...or those that are prepared to share coast of this bot,which I'm prepared to pay 1000 euros,and must be secret for all included...they are here,big brothers from all on line ccasinos...and btw it must be live dealer casino like DDB fof instance.
I fooled around with this this afternoon on paper--seems like a nice little thing--I will look further
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 18, 10:12 AM 2013
--INCREDIBLE WITHOUT A LOSSIN SESSION AS YET,NOT EVEN NEAR IT.
So no losses of -90 in your data or has the stop loss changed?
WHAT AN S
OK, Alberto, I'll bite. What is an "S"?
TwoCat
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 20, 12:10 AM 2013
OK, Alberto, I'll bite. What is an "S"?
TwoCat
=)
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Jan 19, 08:27 PM 2013
So no losses of -90 in your data or has the stop-loss changed?
It is flat bet bet with table switching.
Could you be more expl.with your comm.Alberto--S--what that means,
neither grasp other unswer to Sam.
Do you have a Theory why switching table would work better?
Alberto
What does "S" mean?
Sam
Quote from: Mattias on Jan 20, 09:04 AM 2013
Do you have a Theory why switching table would work better?
I certainly do....will show soon,there are several,and of these is when you
add zeros for 4 tables daily,you get only about 20-25% of teros bettingg switching tables,
there are more,but maybe you frasp it from this attach.
What Casino do you play at? Do you think you are being profiled?
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 18, 10:12 AM 2013
--INCREDIBLE WITHOUT A LOSSIN SESSION AS YET,NOT EVEN NEAR IT.
How many sessions tested Flat, what is the current profit and what was the worst loss/drawdown?
Sessions 32/tables 2,3,4,7/...meaning 8 sessions with switching approach.and am
not playing but only testing this random v random approach,but so far it is all winning on flat bet basis.
It goes bit slower couse am not really good as yet/rehabilitation after operation/
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 20, 09:28 AM 2013
I certainly do....will show soon,there are several,and of these is when you
add zeros for 4 tables daily,you get only about 20-25% of teros bettingg switching tables,
there are more,but maybe you frasp it from this attach.
THERE WAS TYPO ERROR ON ZEROS....HERE ARE REAL RESULTS--SECOND ATTACHM----THIRD
ATTACHM.-----its very obvious that am out of concetration presently...therefrore fos some time
will take a rest untilget better.
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 14, 08:25 AM 2013
Not even once.Evidently you are bad reader.It is democracy and anybody
can openly showing ignorance and stupidity as they choose.You better choose some
other hoby instead of roulette my friend or either read other sentences,not only LvF.
Then you might grasp that this method never been posted earlier.
by the way--just to let you know something; that any basical bet could be tested in dozens of
versions to finally come to the best one.The only way to become a winner.You I doubt
with such touch and go approach.
I agree mark howe is mentally ill to the extreme. Howe come he aint in a mental hospital or jail ? ;D
Mark Howe is not his real name which says something. Last I heard he fled to Norway to evade arrest.
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 20, 10:43 AM 2013
...am not playing but only testing this random v random approach,but so far it is all winning on flat bet basis.
In the excel spreadsheets, sometimes you are switching tables every cycle regardless of win or loss but other times you continue one more cycle on the same table after loss. Why? Which is correct way to test/play?
Could be a typo,as don't really feel well....most important is that you know the rules....
table after table in circle,expect that sometimes comes to disorders due to the lack of players on certain due table,but it is explained what and how there......as said when fully recover be all
with strict rules.....for the time being must rest .
How would it help change table? If for some reason they differ, stick to the best. ;D
Winning 60 or more times in a row is possible with many methods. I have passed 40000 spins betting on all and got a plus at the end, more than once,and still I think it can lose any time.
First test + 171 units on 20/01/2013 playing on 4 tables - switching after each cycle...
---YOU SEE ONLY 4 ZEROS SWITCHING TABLES/unswer to Ralf;how it would help to switch the tables/
and unswer to BET....About guestion yesterday...sometimes there is 1h from first playing to sec.playing table at the start/....tab.4 started 15h---table 3 16h....then you can repeat the table twice
in the row ..hope you got me,Test some more and the results wil be similar.....1+1+ in cycles of 9
this will show as the best at the end,as far as LVF is concerned.
Second test +36 units on 21/01/2013 playing on 4 tables - switching after each cycle...
F_LAT_INO, what would you recommend to be take profit here as it reached 72 units at one stage?
I assume 1000 units bank should be sufficient?
Switching tables to try and gain advantage is one of the biggest fallacy 's at roulette, it changes absolutely nothing.
The maths of the wheel are set in concrete so to speak. I would like to hear what others say about this fallacy..
Wait for a dozen to miss 12 times on "wheel 1", then bet on this dozen on another wheel , who would do this , well probably no one as you might
guess because the gambler thinks the dozen must be due on wheel 1. Wheels remember absolutely nothing.
Most people develop roulette systems with a "hit and miss" approach. ie they try something and do lots of testing, without consideration to WHY the method would apparently work. Then the next time, they will try the same thing in a different way, without realizing it is the same nonsense just repackaged.
When a player understands the reasoning and logic, they understand they cannot possibly beat roulette unless they first have a method that increases the accuracy of prediction. Progression is no exception, because progression is just different size bets on different spins with the same odds of winning as any other spin. There is this common delusion that changing bet size somehow makes up for losses.
When the player understands it all comes down to predicting the winning number with increased accuracy, they start to look at why the ball lands where it does. Physics? Yes. It is explained at :.genuinewinner.com/truth.html (link:://:.genuinewinner.com/truth.html) but most people don't understand it despite the simplicity.
In any event, testing systrems must be about testing the apparent working principle that is supposed to increase the accuracy of predictions. Most players create a system and test the whole thing, which takes a very long time and almost always results in a completely ineffective system and lots of wasted time.
Consider the cause and effect, and you are in the right direction.
Cause is many different things/variables. And they all contribute. They all affect each other too. The relationship between each variable, and the outcomes, must be modeled. Roulette is very dynamic so you need a robust model. For modern conditions it is very difficult to do without software.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Iggiv, if that is directed at me, I know there is a lot more going on than any of us will know. And we will never stop learning.
But I am talking about the mathematical certainty of 1 + 1 = 2. This example is used constantly, and it applies to roulette because it is a mathematical certainty that you cannot beat roulette unless you first increase the accuracy of predictions. It is as factual as 1 + 1 = 2 and explained in detail on my site.
But lets say you could beat roulette with "progression" . . . the fact of the matter is to do this you would still need to have increased accuracy of predictions. The exception is if the wheel had memory, or more precisely the future spins were dependent on previous spins. They are connected, but not dependent. For example, where the ball is picked up from the previous winning number has an influence on where the ball will land next. That is connection, not dependence.
To apply such a connection, you cannot use a typical system because the variables will be different in different conditions. You need to consider the legitimate cause and effect.
Anyway most experienced players now understand this even if only on a basic level. But the majority of players will never understand it, despite it being explained many times. Again it is not a matter of opinion. Mathematical facts are not mere opinions. It just that most people dont understand it.
Third test reached +72 units (during session) on 22/01/2013 playing on 4 tables - switching after each cycle...(ended at -54 units)
Quote from: Steve on Jan 23, 08:08 PM 2013
When a player understands the reasoning and logic, they understand they cannot possibly beat roulette unless they first have a method that increases the accuracy of prediction.
This statement makes sense to me.
"To apply such a connection, you cannot use a typical system because the variables will be different in different conditions."
Kudos to you, Steve. That was very well said. That's what i said all the time.
but that does not mean You can't beat roulette...
I believe there is only one way to beat roulette. Sure there are the usual visual ballistics, bias analysis, dealer signature methods, but they are all looking at CAUSE AND EFFECT. The looking at "cause and effect" is the "one way" I'm referring to. Its like saying there is only one way to study the universe, and that's "physics". You could say there is chemistry, philosophy etc but really they are all the same thing, just different perspectives.
what's more likely... a lot of laws of physics that can be used to beat roulette expressed as dozens and split bets..... or one central way with one set of rules that govern where the ball will land, with merely different variables/conditions on different wheels, and predictions based on wheel sectors.
I'm not saying there isnt a method to beat roulette that I have no idea about yet. But I am saying any method that does legitimately beat roulette will calculate predictions based on the variables/conditions of the wheel being played. There are many ways to model a wheel, in the sense of relating the variables to the outcome. Most advantage play methods look at just the variables and spin outcomes. But they don't look at how the variables affect each other, so the traditional methods don't account for the dynamic nature of roulette.
For example with normal advantage play, everything can be great.. until one variable changes. Then that screws up everything and suddenly instead of hitting the right sectors, you are avoiding them. If you avoid them, then you lose more than if you randomly bet. So you go from strong win to strong lose.
I'm basically saying undoubtedly you need to increase accuracy of predictions (unless there is an unforeseen connection between previous spins that nobody has found besides what is mentioned). So you are trying to predict where the ball will bounce. How do we do this?.. Plain answer is physics, which is understanding cause and effect. So it all leads back to this one central theme: understanding cause and effect, then modelling it to predict roulette spins. It is not overly difficult or complex now when I look at it, but it took me about 20 years to figure out, and for a long time I was a 'system' player too.
in my point of view ALMOST EVERYTHING u say is 100% correct, and u know lots of things. Still there are some things u say sometimes i don't agree with.
But i won't go into this :)
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 24, 06:57 PM 2013
in my point of view ALMOST EVERYTHING u say is 100% correct, and You know lots of things. Still there are some things u say sometimes i don't agree with.
But i won't go into this :)
these things u don 't understand, because of that u did not agree. by the way is MOP returned to the forum ?
U understand, Speed, everything. Believing in deviation of certain level coming back with crazy progressions.
Without anything at all reading on the subject.
Iggiv not everyone agrees with everyone, and I'm ok with that. But I'm not giving mere opinions. If it were opinions, the opinions are shared by professional players who earn a living with roulette, and casino staff who apply countermeasures. You never get countermeasures against red/black systems etc because they are a casino's dream come true.
You could argue that me saying "I am not giving mere opinions" is just my opinion. In the end, the results define who is most likely "correct". Anyway I'm sure many people here wouldnt agree with some of what I say. And again I'm ok with that.
Speed, I vaguely recall MOP. Either way trolls eventually show true colors and have same result.
MOP or Roulette Explorel or Viper in my opinion was a better for forum than this man who had recently returned, so I do not think it would be bad to allow MOP to return if he wants to, just my opinion
nobody is gonna troll or attack anyone now and get away with it. No more betting around the bush. MOP would be banned right away after a first trolling or attacking anyone. Troublemakers had enough mercy and asking to behave, it did not work well. Now it's gonna be tough for them. No matter who.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 24, 08:27 PM 2013
U understand, Speed, everything. Believing in deviation of certain level coming back with crazy progressions.
Without anything at all reading on the subject.
I'm glad you remember my deviation beliefs, i do not know why this progression u call crazy, but it's probably best that can be obtained from mathematical system to try neutralize the house advantage of french roulette.
When MOP returned we can start all over again, like in the good old days :)
i am not interested in discussions with u, thanks. Everything was already said. You have right to believe what u want. You can call MOP, but like i tell u now. First sign of his typical agressive behaviour, and he is outta here. He is pretty annoying and never learns. So be it. No more annoying trolling, wars or battles. Friendly discussions here.
Quote from: speed on Jan 24, 09:08 PM 2013
When MOP returned we can start all over again, like in the good old days :)
He's already back... deep in disguise!
His new name is ignatus. :thumbsup:
sorry i am too tired to get jokes now, Skakus. I first thought u were talking seriously.
really?? hahahaha we thought ignatus was a beginner
ignatus doesnt appear to be same guy, at least at first glance. Anyway iggiv is right about tolerance of behavior.
I don't know what you're talking about here, but I agree with Steve. Only way to win is to increase the accuracy and prediction. Now, how is this done? For me is to find a pattern or a method of play that could give an advantage. I don't call myself a "beginner" anymore, I've played roulette for over 2 years now. Although I might not have been very "successful" and I've made my mistakes I learned from them.
I've given up the old ways and methods, and yes Steve is right: The only way to beat roulette is to increase the accuracy and prediction.
And this is what I'm doing nowadays. Nothing else works, really.
After bettor27 tetsts and mine for amonth or maybe two you shall all sing a different story.
Sorry Kingspin,but this have nothing to do with waiting for 1 doz.thn switch to other table,
use your imagination study these few attachments then you might grasp why this will work as a flat bet,especially 1+1-.......no deviations there as in other flat bets,and much less zeros as in normal
night session play
Quote from: speed on Jan 24, 08:51 PM 2013
MOP or Roulette Explorel or Viper in my opinion was a better for forum than this man who had recently returned....
Why are you posting useless garbage like this?
In my opinion it would be better for the forum for you to post sessions of your progressive bet which you say has passed 1m spins - that way we can all learn something from you - unless your bet has no advantage?
Finished with -189 units today...
You go, ignatus!!
Remember, an anchor and a propeller have very different uses! You're quite the propeller as you're dragging a few anchors behind you!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 25, 10:38 AM 2013
You go, ignatus!!
Remember, an anchor and a propeller have very different uses! You're quite the propeller as you're dragging a few anchors behind you!
Sam
Thanks Sam ;)
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Jan 25, 10:00 AM 2013
Finished with -189 units today...
THE LONG RUN COUNTS MATE,don't give up as this is a flat bet test which will be
changed into something else/which I will talk about after many sessions test/.....the most zeros I have
seen so far in table switching.
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 25, 11:45 AM 2013
THE LONG RUN COUNTS MATE,don't give up as this is a flat bet test which will be
changed into something else/which I will talk about after many sessions test/.....
Ok - Result for 24/01/2013 (attached) is:
Max = +90
Min = -189
Result for 01/01/2013 (attached) is:
Max = +45
Min = -243
With no deffending myself nor a mehod.......but you noticed in my excel sheets
no table 5 and 6 are included here,as those are so rarely played and only interfer
mixing tables 2,3,4,7....and one more very impotant thing myfriend it doesn't have to
be in sequent.way...2,3,4,7.....couse sometime one table might have no players and
when you comeback to it again you find it late for half hour....I think one ofthe attach.
have explanations there.For instance you start with table 3 at 15,00h,4 at 15,26/in the mean time table 3 stop plyed due to the lack of players,play 7 ,then comeback on table 3 playing the same spins
you did already on table 4......when I finish with this there wil be all rules clearly explaind.And in such
situations often comes to break time/up to 10 spins/just to evenly put the switching in seq.way.
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Jan 26, 07:02 AM 2013
Result for 01/01/2013 (attached) is:
Max = +45
Min = -243
Now you can compare yours and my way of playing the same session of the same day.
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 26, 02:23 PM 2013
Now you can compare yours and my way of playing the same session of the same day.
Thanks - I understand now but unless I am missing something, I think there are errors in your spreadsheet. Using your numbers exactly (line by line) I get the final score of +153 but you have ending score at +243...Let me know
Anyway, will test this some more to see how robust it is...
As I gather you are doing it by tracker,therefore your results must be correct,while
me all manual and there could/should be some errors/just spotted one in first cycle
on split 15 where it should have been a win but I put it as a loser/...those things
are not so much important...for me its most important will it survive as a flat bet without
large deviations in the long run......but the fact is that playing it thisway throughout night
session it avoids lot of zeros,even thought seen 12 in one of your sessions.Should be done
without table 5,6.......after all we/I was playing for somebody else/ won lot of money on our
last night play in Wiesbaden recently.live.
Unless you have a method that (for any reason) tracks previous spins on specific tables, there is no mathematical or statistical reason to change tables in any system. This basic. If a system requires you to change tables randomly this is a good indication that the system is nonsense.
KAV, does it mean, that a good suitable method is supposed to win on the same table all the time? No need to stop, right?
Quote from: Kav on Feb 02, 02:53 AM 2013
If a system requires you to change tables randomly this is a good indication that the system is nonsense.
This nonsense system won us recently in Wiesbaden 135k------and so far testing it for january 14 days so far,it comes as a flat bet winner every of those days.When I come to the end/it goes slowely/will post it then somebody may come
to conclusion why is that so.I pressume why but let it stay here.
Hey Flat,
Are you still playing in Wiesbaden ?!?
I live 50 minutes away. So I could join, meet you.
That would be Fun.
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 02, 09:04 AM 2013
Hey Flat,
Are you still playing in Wiesbaden ?!?
I live 50 minutes away. So I could join, meet you.
That would be Fun.
Ray
[/quote
That was persuaded by my Austrian friend and after playing several nights in Wien/with negative results/he insisted going/by his private plane/to Wiesbaden where we got back some of the loss from Wien,but the last night started playing the same method but with changing tables and at the end he won 135k/I got my percentage,as was playing for him...our next trip is Malta but after I fully recover from the operation I did recently.....send me your private email on---ivica.boban@ri.t-com.hr and when we go there again will let you know.
Quote from: Kav on Feb 02, 02:53 AM 2013
Unless you have a method that (for any reason) tracks previous spins on specific tables, there is no mathematical or statistical reason to change tables in any system. This basic. If a system requires you to change tables randomly this is a good indication that the system is nonsense.
the truth is that any mathematical or statistical method will lose sooner or later. So it does make a sense after short period of time either to change tables or just get the hell out of there. Most important thing is to leave this particular wheel u were playing at, don't wait till it will kill u.
If this was not true, then there would be math methods which u could use to empty the casinos day after day.
But it's impossible without physical conditions tracking methods or biased wheels.
Iggiv,
The main advantage switching tables in cycle of 9 spins is couse in 80% of such play
you will have less zeros then constantly playing one table....that is a proved fact in
so far testing this method of play.
its impossible on a long run. there will be significant periods of time when u have MORE zeroes. Zero is just like any other number. Sometimes u have more of it, sometimes less. It just happened that u got less zeroes with switching the tables so far. Next period of time u may have more zeroes 80% of the time.
Quote from: iggiv on Feb 02, 01:23 PM 2013
its impossible on a long run. there will be significant periods of time when You have MORE zeroes. Zero is just like any other number. Sometimes You have more of it, sometimes less. It just happened that u got less zeroes with switching the tables so far. Next period of time u may have more zeroes 80% of the time.
I'm very patient and have a lot of time to test my theory...you could be right,we shal see.
you bet i am right, buddy. but it's not impossible of course that some wheels you encountered were biased and 0 was mostly cold there on permanent basis. But it can't be a case for each and every wheel.
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 02, 08:37 AM 2013
This nonsense system won us recently in Wiesbaden 135k------and so far testing it for january 14 days so far,it comes as a flat bet winner every of those days.When I come to the end/it goes slowely/will post it then somebody may come
to conclusion why is that so.I pressume why but let it stay here.
Yeah
We read this winning stories before. Your friend is an gambler with a lot money to burn so he does not care if he gets less 0's when switching tables. Its getting more bizarre. ;D
I wonder if this is one of those imaginary friends like Mata ea Tao (can't spell it) had?
It's humor, Luke!! Don't get your hackles up!!
Sam
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 28, 09:38 AM 2013
......but the fact is that playing it thisway throughout night session it avoids lot of zeros,even thought seen 12 in one of your sessions. Should be done without table 5,6.......after all we/I was playing for somebody else/ won lot of money on our
last night play in Wiesbaden recently.live.
OK & thanks for clarification - data for 02/01/2013 posted below with result +99
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 04, 09:47 AM 2013
I wonder if this is one of those imaginary friends like Mata ea Tao (can't spell it) had?
It's humor, Luke!! Don't get your hackles up!!
Sam
Don't get me worried any longer any of your sarcastic/suspect...especially of Robin Hood.... comments,
and if I wish could prove it all with photos/which I did once...and the guy said it proves nothing my playing
in Macao,Monte Carlo/......to me you are only dreamers...I'm living real roulette life and here there are only
few alike.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Feb 04, 03:08 AM 2013
Yeah
We read this winning stories before. Your friend is an gambler with a lot money to burn so he does not care if he gets less 0's when switching tables. Its getting more bizarre. ;D
--The only difference is that I'm playing with his money and he is mostly at the bar or restaurant having his fun,and it is I who chooses how to play to win at the end.....which tells you how much trust he
have in myself,and that I'm traying hard to get my deal of the win.Nobody guarantees that we shall win
next time/Malta,and will take some photos and send to you so just to shut you up with your comments/
but my experience and patience will prevail......Learn once for all,it is not the method that wins but the man that plays it...you may never understand this,but when you get my age you could.
Hey Flat,
when are you planing for Malta ?!? I still have vacation left over and I have to get rid of my Bonus Miles from Lufthansa.
So that would be a cheap trip to Malta.
Let me know and we can meet. Should be lots of fun. Hope you recovered well and are ready to roll.
Ray
Darn, FLATman, your a hard man to befriend! Truly, I thank you for the L v F system. Coupled with the bot, it works. The L v F works; the bot just does the manual labor.
I think it best if I just leave you be.
Sam
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 07, 11:20 AM 2013
--The only difference is that I'm playing with his money and he is mostly at the bar or restaurant having his fun,and it is I who chooses how to play to win at the end.....which tells you how much trust he
have in myself,and that I'm trying hard to get my deal of the win.Nobody guarantees that we shall win
next time/Malta,and will take some photos and send to you so just to shut you up with your comments/
but my experience and patience will prevail......Learn once for all,it is not the method that wins but the man that plays it...you may never understand this,but when you get my age you could.
Flat
You are already a winner. You play for a rich dude. If you win you get your cut, if you lose he does not care. No need to post your pictures from casinos all over the world ;D You should act more happy though.
Regards
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 09, 09:38 PM 2013
Darn, FLATman, your a hard man to befriend! Truly, I thank you for the L v F system. Coupled with the bot, it works. The L v F works; the bot just does the manual labor.
I think it best if I just leave you be.
Sam
You are wrong Sam...firstly about being friend.....secondly about L v F method......it doesn't win on the long run......BUT IT WINS CHANGING THE TABLES CONTINUOUSLY.
The reason you are probably winning there with 001 cents cause they just wait for you/as you are
advertising it all over/when you start betting higher.And now you could explain what did you mean by;
Imaginary friend,unswering RH post......couldn't grasp as my English maybe problem...but took it as
something pointing to me.
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 09, 08:06 PM 2013
Hey Flat,
when are you planing for Malta ?!? I still have vacation left over and I have to get rid of my Bonus Miles from Lufthansa.
So that would be a cheap trip to Malta.
Let me know and we can meet. Should be lots of fun. Hope you recovered well and are ready to roll.
Ray
The Malta is postponed cause of weather situations/small plane with 8 seats/and probably
sometime in March.Will let you know.Thanks for recovery wishes,/few of hundreds/really appreciate.
Flat
You should retire gracefully instead of fooling people that your method works by changing tables. You need an reality check.
And i wish you a speedy recovery under these circumstances. ;D No BS here.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Feb 13, 09:50 AM 2013
Flat
You should retire gracefully instead of fooling people that your method works by changing tables. You need an reality check.
And i wish you a speedy recovery under these circumstances. ;D No BS here.
Regards
I'm gracefully retired.....and am not fooling anybody,except that you are repeateably returning to my threads/funny can't see any other of your posts but only in my threads.....you really in love with me/and making grande fool of yourself claiming BS without
any proofs,but only parrot like repeating same things over and over.I could prove my claims with many Wiesbaden sessions,but why and to whom.Do some homework,produce 10-20 sessions and show the people.how it doesn't work.
If it works for TCS on individual tables/here also/then your knowledge of roulette should tell you logic and why it performs
better on swapping tables.And do me a favour and start living your own life,and next time you should produce some profs before opening your mouth.Thanks for recovery wishes,and live roulette to professionals...get some other hoby as this is very
serious and expensive buss.....
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 13, 10:33 AM 2013
I'm gracefully retired.....and am not fooling anybody,except that you are repeateably returning to my posts/funny can't see any others of your posts but only in my threads.....you really in love with me/and making grande fool of yourself claiming BS without
any proofs,but only parrot like repeating same things over and over.I could prove my claims with many Wiesbaden sessions,but why and to whom.Do some homework,produce 10-20 sessions and show the people.how it doesn't work.
If it works for TCS on individual tables/here also/then your knowledge of roulette should tell you logic and why it performs
better on swapping tables.And do me a favour and start living your own life,and next time you should produce some profs before opening your mouth.Thanks for recovery wishes,and live roulette to professionals...get some other hoby as this is very
serious and expensive buss.....
I have over 1000 posts and if u checked my posts i tested your method on live wheels other than Wiesbaden tables and it performed just average. So Flat dont flatter yourself that i have a hard on for u. So do your homework instead of accusing me of a groundless criticism. I have my own life and better things to do than follow your endless tweaks of your methods. And you have not proved anything here and we both know that you will not be able to do so. Its just sad that you repeat the same thing for 40 years and expect different results. ;D
Regards
Go and take your Chinese lady to casino and do some walk ,not talk.
You really start being boring...so don't provoke me any longer as I might tell you some nasty things you wouldn't appreciate.
Go your way and live your, not someone else live.I could deleted all your posts if wanted but want to ppl.to see what your main
aim is here...even blind can see it.Yes you have 1000 posts but didn't see that you have criticised anybody or tell them your
method doesn't work,and presently there are about 20 that are actuall...there is even clinic for methods/what a circus/so go there and do your sick work.Or maybe visit somebody that might be able to help you.I shall not tolerate your nonsense any longer so don't stop in this Pub as you will be thrown out...Amen
FLATman
A guy is famous (or infamous) in America for having an imaginary girl friend. This was some guy, not a girl, teasing him on-line. Sending him pictures and all that and talking in a high-pitched voice so he'd think it was a girl. Two years he spent doing this. Said he was in love with her.
It's really not an insult. We had a movie "Harvey" about a guy who had an imaginary giant rabbit for a friend. Jimmy Stewart starred. Don't know who played Harvey.....
I'm sure your friend is real. It was only a joke, a little humor. Here in the U.S.A., we need a lot of humor. We in the toilet and Obama is flushing! So we make jokes. Keeps us from crying so much.
Sorry.
Truly, I am going to leave you be. Good luck, good health and God bless!
Sam
Sam,
Well maybe the problem comes from my side...not understanding that kind of humor of couple words.
I have no issue or any poblems with you,even when I was upset with some of your past comments/
about grasping L v F/but comes along this RobH fella constantly repeating that Lv F doesn't work and why am
I fooling ppl.here.....Fooling?????Am I selling something or scamming sombody.I won in one night changing tables
more then he will probably earn with his wages in 5 years.....and he claims it doesn't work.What's wrong with such person Sam,
maybe you could help me to grasp him.Why he is knocking on my doors only almost on daily basis????I don't owe him
anything,but I think he oves explanations of his claims ...black on white....same two of us did showing it working.
Am I right.And again I will repeat ....Changing tables with L v F is much stronger and secure bet then betting it on one table.
After all any body can test my claims,same as you do all the time Sam,but the problem here is there are too much ideas every day
and ppl.rarelly get testing seriously any.
OK, FLAT......
Brother, I meant no harm. I like you. You have given us a system that--despite what anyone says--is working for me the way I play it.
Rob? Can't speak for him. He is a very negative person. Maybe his intentions are good, but he comes across as one who throws lots of rocks.
My stats to date:
Started with #1,000
Now at #1,750 in about five or six days. Bear in mind, this takes into account the table going down three times a day and working to perfect the bot. Not all time was play time.
I have the bot set for a win/loss or 72 units. A loss takes the D'Alembert up one and a win takes it down one.
My largest draw down was #112.
When I hit #1,000 in profit, I will try to fund the account with real money and play for real.
Sam
I know very well it works/from the first day of this year am testing--changing tables approach--and you know what Sam,
on flat bet basis it only lost 3 times of 41 sessions.......it tells you all......
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 13, 02:05 PM 2013
I know very well it works/from the first day of this year am testing--changing tables approach--and you know what Sam,
on flat bet basis it only lost 3 times of 41 sessions.......it tells you all......
I may be stupid or simply missed something with all the mud slinging. Can someone explain how to play this system please
Quote from: Steve on Jan 24, 08:32 PM 2013
by professional players who earn a living with roulette, and casino staff who apply countermeasures. You never get countermeasures against red/black systems etc because they are a casino's dream come true.
@Steve....what you said got me thinking
Blackjack countermeasures were the Continuous Shuffling Machine. It stopped advantage play (card Counting)
Progressions countermeasures were house limits and table limits.
How soon do you think casinos (land) will introduce a countermeasure for VB and physics.....1st easy step is no bets after the ball is released. That could be introduced with no cost at all (already in online casinos of course)
Card counting is now dead, but they still sit at the BJ table.
VB and Physics would also be dead.
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Feb 13, 05:23 PM 2013
@Steve....what you said got me thinking
How soon do you think casinos (land) will introduce a countermeasure for VB and physics.....1st easy step is no bets after the ball is released. That could be introduced with no cost at all (already in online casinos of course)
In no bets after ball is released lies big psychological trick for casino that affects many players. So be sure there is reason why that is still so, despite maybe possibility of Advantage-play. How come smart pit bosses didn't think of that :) LoL
There are already enough countermeasures nowadays in modern casinos for them not to be afraid of being depleted so easy as you think.
Online casinos are different story.
Cheers
Drazen
No more bets would certainly put the kibosh on VB & computor players.
I'm sure the casinos have done their homework and probably feel too many losing players who think they can win placing bets after ball release would be reluctant to play under those conditions.
If they put up with the rare few VB & computor player sharks, they get to keep all the small fish in their nets.
Yes I agree card-counting is just about dead. Too few opportunities now. Thats why Im developing the equipment to see through cards.
As for VB and computers, certainly calling no more bets earlier stops them. As per my site:
15. What if casinos do not permit bets after spins anymore? Wont this make the computer worthless?
It is unlikely most casinos will ever forbid bets after ball release. This is because calling no more bets after ball release speeds up the game, so more bets are wagered, and the casino ultimately earns more. There are far more losers than winning roulette computer users, so it is not financially viable for casinos to call no more bets before the ball is released. However, if bets after spins were no longer permitted, you could still use the software's pattern analysis features which enable you predict where the ball will land, even if bets are placed before the spin. This pattern analysis feature specifically looks for part of the patterns for the system explained at :.genuinewinner.com (link:://:.genuinewinner.com). Additionally, you will be given free access to the :.roulettesystemanalysis.com (link:://:.roulettesystemanalysis.com) software used by genuinewinner.com players to beat roulette with bets before the ball release.
Essentially sure casinos could do this, but it overall not justified for them to do it all the time. So instead they only call no more bets earlier IF a player is suspected of using a computer. There is no "back room", bashing or banning. They just call no more bets earlier. As I say often, its not so much about beating the wheel. Its more about not being detected.
thanx for the explanation Steve. I read in gambling books that for casinos to allow placing bets after ball release is a smart move, but nobody so far explained why. Now i understand.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 13, 06:56 PM 2013
Yes I agree card-counting is just about dead. Too few opportunities now. that's why I'm developing the equipment to see through cards.
I heard about that. Its a lens that can see the border of any card right ? :-X
Quote from: Steve on Jan 24, 08:32 PM 2013
You never get countermeasures against red/black systems etc because they are a casino's dream come true.
@ Steve
Would you get countermeasures if instead of betting red/black you bet streets 1/2/5/9/11/12 or 3/4/6/7/8/10 for example ?
Do the casino see that as different even though it's still 18 numbers V 18 numbers ?
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 13, 02:05 PM 2013
I know very well it works/from the first day of this year am testing--changing tables approach--and you know what Sam,
on flat bet basis it only lost 3 times of 41 sessions.......it tells you all......
Hi Flat,
Can you please list the 3 losses in units so we can get an idea of the drawdown?
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Feb 14, 07:17 AM 2013
Hi Flat,
Can you please list the 3 losses in units so we can get an idea of the drawdown?
3,6,7.......and also am due to mention the largest win was 22.......it varies from 2 to 22....approx about 12 per session...as it
really rarely goes into any high sky drawndowns,ideal for 1+1------and it can only be played in B&M casino...don't think you could
do it on line,neither would I suggest it.
what is wrong with dublinbet
Quote from: biagle on Feb 14, 08:23 AM 2013
what is wrong with dublinbet
How many tables there/should be 3/4 at least.
Forgot to mention zeros...there was one session among those with no zero whatsoever,the most zeros
was 9 and aprox.3-5 while switching tables,which is rather less then playing on one table only.It seems
obviously it avoids it more then hitting em.....why,do no.
every evening on dublin is 4 different tables
Good to hear that,will hava a look there and table limits.
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 14, 08:10 AM 2013
3,6,7.......and also am due to mention the largest win was 22.......it varies from 2 to 22....approx about 12 per session...as it
really rarely goes into any high sky drawndowns,ideal for 1+1------and it can only be played in B&M casino...don't think you could
do it on line,neither would I suggest it.
When you say 12 per session, is that 108 units (12 X 9)?
Yes 1=9
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 13, 01:28 PM 2013
Sam,
Well maybe the problem comes from my side...not understanding that kind of humor of couple words.
I have no issue or any poblems with you,even when I was upset with some of your past comments/
about grasping L v F/but comes along this RobH fella constantly repeating that Lv F doesn't work and why am
I fooling people.here.....Fooling? ??? ?Am I selling something or scamming sombody.I won in one night changing tables
more then he will probably earn with his wages in 5 years.....and he claims it doesn't work.What's wrong with such person Sam,
maybe you could help me to grasp him.Why he is knocking on my doors only almost on daily basis????I don't owe him
anything,but I think he oves explanations of his claims ...black on white....same two of us did showing it working.
Am I right.And again I will repeat ....Changing tables with L v F is much stronger and secure bet then betting it on one table.
After all any body can test my claims,same as you do all the time Sam,but the problem here is there are too much ideas every day
and people.rarelly get testing seriously any.
You did not prove anything here. When you originally posted this method with progression it was tested also by Sam with different stop-loss and it went up and down. It performed better with flat betting so the attention shifted to flat betting. I have a problem with your claims that sectors or splits produce more balanced bet and that changing tables will help. Your bet is just another bet that wins if you catch repeaters. Don't make more of it.
There is no point arguing with you more and besides after more testing people will realize that you are the only one that constantly wins with this. And since you started being personal and mentioned my Asian companion in other post the fact that you had 7 wives tells me that you must have lost some money while gambling. I have vast experience in this field :D
And i feel sorry that people post too much here so your ideas go unnoticed. But if you make in one night more than some of us in 5 years working you should not worry. So stop whining.
Regards
The first lection you must learn......that base of any method can and should be tested in many ways until you come
to the best solution/example PCWB which had 11 versions/and there are few guys am getting reports that with version
8 they are doing well.Yes you are wasting your time not only with this thread but with roulette in all.
Some can and some can't...That's life..and roulette is the main reason why having 7 marriages......and you are suggesting to
me to retire....from roulette never.The same story again about repeaters....L v F DON'T RELAY ON REPEATERS....You still didn't
get it....Ask Sam who is winning on daily basis......if I bet 4 as furthers and the 4 repeats....it is a losing bet....got it now,no repeaters win.....Bye, and don't be bother about myself any longer.Stupidity+ignorance are very annoying,and am presently
on rehabilitation stage.
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 15, 06:20 AM 2013
The first lection you must learn......that base of any method can and should be tested in many ways until you come
to the best solution/example PCWB which had 11 versions/and there are few guys am getting reports that with version
8 they are doing well.Yes you are wasting your time not only with this thread but with roulette in all.
Some can and some can't...That's life..and roulette is the main reason why having 7 marriages......and you are suggesting to
me to retire....from roulette never.The same story again about repeaters....L v F DON'T RELAY ON REPEATERS....You still didn't
get it....Ask Sam who is winning on daily basis......if I bet 4 as furthers and the 4 repeats....it is a losing bet....got it now,no repeaters win.....Bye, and don't be bother about myself any longer.Stupidity+ignorance are very annoying,and am presently
on rehabilitation stage.
You dont know me at at all Flat,Vile,mcmonaco,iboba or ilukan or whatever your nickname is now. And if u r on rehabilitation stage u should abstain from roulette. There r more more important things in life ;D than to convince people that u managed to beat a wheel.
And plz get some guys that r winning with PCWB to confirm your story. You remind me of JL ;D
Regards
A smart man,that know you well, just told me to ignore you and your comments.
btw-you remind me of my home parrot.
Quote from: ilukan on Feb 15, 08:45 AM 2013
A smart man,that know you well, just told me to ignore you and your comments.
by the way-you remind me of my home parrot.
Nobody knows me well at this forum and whats the name of your parrot? :D
OK ladies ,relax you guys sound like your on your period .its a game but i agree with rob ,to convince people here is a waist of time,all these brain storming and none of us can beat this wheel, and if you say you do your bull shitting and or your not making that much money to justify the time ,we need to be like ocean eleven ,try to steal money from the table . :LoL:
Quote from: warrior on Feb 15, 09:12 AM 2013
OK ladies ,relax you guys sound like your on your period .its a game but i agree with rob ,to convince people here is a waist of time,all these brain storming and none of us can beat this wheel, and if you say you do your bull shitting and or your not making that much money to justify the time ,we need to be like ocean eleven ,try to steal money from the table . :LoL:
Always words of wisdom from you ;D My point is to relax first and if you do that usually good things happen. Treat this as a beginner's game and u know that usually beginners always have success at gambling at least initially.
Guys
Let's review...........
1. Ralph makes a ton of money from BV and posts the screen shots to prove it.
2. Ralph says BV play and BV real are exactly the same.
3. I believe Ralph.
Now, look at the screen shot. Using the L v F and the ExcelBot, I have gained #1,000. Using Ralph's logic, I should be able to do that with real money. Soon I will try it.
So before we hold the FLATman up to excessive ridicule, let's see where this goes.
Sam
I really cant comment on the system,if some one could give an ex. on how to play it would be great.
Quote from: warrior on Feb 15, 10:42 AM 2013
I really can't comment on the system,if some one could give an ex. on how to play it would be great.
Usually the explanation are in the first post of the thread.......but if you don't grasp this tweak,then look
at the L v F 9 splits,which Sam is playing presently on BV with a tracker,or bot,really don't know,should ask him.