The old adage is even put forward by chatty roulette dealers. You always see 31 follow 13, 13 follow 31, 23 follows 32 and vice versa, 21 and 12 and vice versa.
I ran 10,000 spins in excel to find when any number follows any number.
I repeated 6 times with 6 different 10k spins from Speilbank.
-On no occasion did the above 3 sets hit after each other the most times. other numbers were higher.
-On no occasion did the same number follow a certain number the most again. It was a different value in the other sessions (so where 12 followed 4, 16 times in one run, 12 followed 4, 3 times in another)
-Every number hit after every number at least 2 times and no more than 16.
Of course 10k isnt the best sample but its representative of the above facts.
The result was as I expected.
i would like to try 1,000,000 and see if that "16" is a limit of random
Quote from: Turner on Nov 26, 03:36 PM 2012
i would like to try 1,000,000 and see if that "16" is a limit of random
there is no limit of random, more spin-higher limit
Quote from: speed on Nov 26, 03:53 PM 2012
there is no limit of random, more spin-higher limit
I must admit, i don't buy it (random has a limit)....but I do like to test instead of guess
Theres only one way to find out :thumbsup:
I knew of two guys who liked to play transposed numbers: Clothdog and Jakkalsdraai
From my experience it doesn't hit enough for a sustained profit.
Quote from: Turner on Nov 26, 03:57 PM 2012
but I do like to test instead of guess
Theres only one way to find out :thumbsup:
This is not guess, I tested it in a slightly different example long ago, but let every man to test for himself :)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Nov 26, 04:02 PM 2012
I knew of two guys who liked to play transposed numbers: Clothdog and Jakkalsdraai
From my experience it doesn't hit enough for a sustained profit.
These tests show the obvious not so shocking fact that 13 doesn't follow 31 anymore than 12 or 23...so why do we keep insisting on betting on it?
Quote from: speed on Nov 26, 04:15 PM 2012
This is not guess, I tested it in a slightly different example long ago, but let every man to test for himself :)
Sorry Speed, I didnt mean you guessed lol.
I like to see if I can see what people say by testing myself....is what i meant.
BTW.....Ive been racking my brains who your Avatar is, but its the great Serbian genius Tesla!
Your Avatar is inverse of the original. He is sat the oposite way.
These tests show the obvious not so shocking fact that 13 doesn't follow 31 anymore than 12 or 23...so why do we keep insisting on betting on it?--Turner
I think there is a pagan religion associated with transposed numbers. There are some that believe the dogma associated with it in gambling games.
13,31 ; 12,21 ; 23,32 are twin numbers, same figure, same value.
With appropriate code you can see if the "inverse number" will hit in the next spins!
The numbers are not just numbers they represent something. Learn how to read them.
And my advice is don't make test on RNG based, you will come to a dead end !!!
Always make your test on real roulette spins
speed u make me remind a old citation from a genius.
“The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.â€
Nikola Tesla
Turner
Your findings over 10000 spins will hold for 10 fold more spins.
long time ago I have posted topic with that that kind of analyz.
how many times every number hits after every number.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3697.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3697.0)
Quote from: ophis on Dec 05, 08:45 AM 2012
long time ago I have posted topic with that that kind of analyz.
how many times every number hits after every number.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3697.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3697.0)
Thanks ophis. Similar results.
What does bake my noodle is we both show that 13 follows 31 for argument sake once every 1000 spins but i see it once or twice when i visit the casino. I won on 12 21 last week ..couldnt decide what to do so i put a chip on 12 because 21 was last out.
Quote from: Turner on Dec 05, 01:36 PM 2012
Thanks ophis. Similar results.
What does bake my noodle is we both show that 13 follows 31 for argument sake once every 1000 spins but i see it once or twice when i visit the casino. I won on 12 21 last week ..couldnt decide what to do so i put a chip on 12 because 21 was last out.
Hi! So RAY is winning just luck, give me a break, he is just playing 4 numbers and HIT many times.. Not luck...If its luck: I want it too.. ;)
Regards Timo
Quote from: Timo on Dec 05, 03:14 PM 2012
Hi! So RAY is winning just luck, give me a break, he is just playing 4 numbers and HIT many times.. Not luck...If its luck: I want it too.. ;)
Regards Timo
Timo....was that in the right topic? I dont see the relation to my post and what you typed
Tuner observe something when playing in the real wheel:
Any of the figures of 9 -> 9,18,27,36 before a twin number.
Example: 9,13 | 18,13 | 27,13 | 36,13
Count how many times 31 hits in future spins.
Same for 12,21 ; 13,31 ; 23,32 "The Twin Numbers" in roulette.
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 06, 06:07 PM 2012
Tuner observe something when playing in the real wheel:
Any of the figures of 9 -> 9,18,27,36 before a twin number.
Example: 9,13 | 18,13 | 27,13 | 36,13
Count how many times 31 hits in future spins.
Same for 12,21 ; 13,31 ; 23,32 "The Twin Numbers" in roulette.
Orichi...thanks. Im not beyond convincing. I dont believe in ghosts even though i saw one. Please show some other ideas. I like little soundbites like this.
Quote from: Turner on Dec 05, 05:11 PM 2012
Timo....was that in the right topic? I don't see the relation to my post and what you typed
Jep, sorry.
Regards Timo
Quote from: Turner on Nov 26, 03:36 PM 2012
The old adage is even put forward by chatty roulette dealers. You always see 31 follow 13, 13 follow 31, 23 follows 32 and vice versa, 21 and 12 and vice versa.
I ran 10,000 spins in excel to find when any number follows any number.
I repeated 6 times with 6 different 10k spins from Speilbank.
-On no occasion did the above 3 sets hit after each other the most times. other numbers were higher.
-On no occasion did the same number follow a certain number the most again. It was a different value in the other sessions (so where 12 followed 4, 16 times in one run, 12 followed 4, 3 times in another)
-Every number hit after every number at least 2 times and no more than 16.
Of course 10k isnt the best sample but its representative of the above facts.
The result was as I expected.
i would like to try 1,000,000 and see if that "16" is a limit of random your times up, answer please
use the free software i published and test billions of spins. there are no such patterns. everyone could learn so much more if they did some proper testing.
Turner
on MPR had good results with, wait, Mr J loved it, don't bet for reverse, just bet the colour, so if 21red, dont bet #12, just bet red.
Now the biggest problem i had was the waiting, so in one game i got bored and started betting other crap and lost the units
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bump :)
You could always bet the opposite sector. If 13 drops bet 20-14-31-9-22, and vice versa.
ef-bet yesterday
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ef-bet today
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Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 23, 04:28 AM 2018
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What are you betting on? Repeaters?
Quote from: boyd30 on Mar 23, 10:31 AM 2018
What are you betting on? Repeaters?
Repeats no.
Like the topics tittle says, does 13 follow 31 or 12 then 21, better to bet not for the reverse to happen just bet the colour. So if 12 red hits people reckon 21 usually follows but as Turner shows it does not,
BUT the same colour does come, more often than not.
Check the last 3 days all morts #'s
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No sweat to a top dog
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does it need BUMP, course not
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So it's betting the same colour after numbers 12,21,13,31,23 and 32. I added the winnings and losses from above. 55 wins and 45 losses = +10. Is there an advantage? I will test too.
I ran a test from live spins. 66 wins and 56 losses= + 10. So there can be a little advantage? Longest losing streak was 8, longest winning streak 7. I noticed that even if you would start with 8 losses in row it would recover. Can take a while though.
Cheers boyd
it's mainly aimed at Ken, aka Mr J.
But from the days i look its +
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 26, 12:22 PM 2018
Cheers boyd
it's mainly aimed at Ken, aka Mr J.
But from the days i look its +
Nottop,
It might work, but for those days when the losses come in early, you will have to dig in for trench warfare.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Mar 26, 03:52 PM 2018
Nottop,
It might work, but for those days when the losses come in early, you will have to dig in for trench warfare.
DR, i never jump in with two feet first, like Ken
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Quote from: wiggy on Jan 23, 12:38 PM 2016
100 spins. (batch 1) Celtic Casino 23/01/2016.
1. 19
2. 4
3. 4
4. 18
5. 15
6. 0
7. 7
8. 15
9. 10
10. 4
11. 36
12. 5
13. 3
14. 35
15. 7
16. 7
17. 27
18. 24
19. 30
20. 23
21. 12-w
22. 23-w
23. 28-L
24. 18
25. 2
26. 00
27. 15
28. 17
29. 32
30. 8-L
31. 6
32. 21
33. 30-w
34. 15
35. 12
36. 29-L
37. 27
38. 7
39. 30
40. 1
41. 27
42. 0
43. 0
44. 32
45. 29-L
46. 27
47. 23
48. 23-w
49. 00-L
50. 2
51. 21
52. 8-L
53. 1
54. 30
55. 18
56. 17
57. 1
58. 3
59. 25
60. 21
61. 18-w
62. 24
63. 20
64. 10
65. 18
66. 6
67. 22
68. 15
69. 0
70. 10
71. 17
72. 20
73. 12
74. 14-w
75. 32
76. 27-w
77. 9
78. 8
79. 3
80. 27
81. 14
82. 3
83. 00
84. 9
85. 6
86. 14
87. 18
88. 22
89. 24
90. 6
91. 23
92. 35-L
93. 5
94. 6
95. 12
96. 5-w
97. 8
98. 4
99. 24
100. 30
even the old skanky U S of A wheel :thumbsup:
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Love it, just noticed this in wally gator thread, Mr J bet, don't bet reverse comes so #31 bet black, oh look win
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Don't need bump its to good
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Dont panic, dont panic, Dr sir Anyone Anyone, have faith in the MrJ bet :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Tested with difference live spins. Once I was down and it came down to -10. I don't know if it recovered, but then it would take a long time. You can be lucky and play it like hit and run, but you can also come into a hole that is hard to recover from.
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And the game goes on
Is this 1:1 win ratio like ECs?
Bro
tittle 31 follows 13
well Turner says no, so what if instead of bet reverse; 13 is black; so bet black, if 31 does come still a win, if lose double up next time one of the 13, 12 or 32 comes
you might lose on black outside bet but next bet might be red and win
Big Bro
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playing this game still and thought of you, here 31 so bet black
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Lost be back next time the bet shows
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Bet red
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:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: win
Big Bro
i'm more watching the gator bet
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Even here its win win robbing the casino safe some might say.
Alright, I'll add it to my personal test list.
Thnx.
So, nrs 12-21,13-31,23-32, when appear: Bet same color. Right?
Quote from: Bigbroben on Mar 31, 09:19 AM 2018
Alright, I'll add it to my personal test list.
Thnx.
So, nrs 12-21,13-31,23-32, when appear: Bet same color. Right?
correct, that'll have MrJ wetting his pants >:D
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Look at the bet colour not # to reverse in last post of ROTT and old Mr J :twisted:
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 02, 05:44 AM 2018
Look at the bet colour not # to reverse in last post of ROTT and old Mr J :twisted:
Nottop,
This method is actually a pretty good grinder method for the EC bets (not just the colors, but any of the R/B, O/E, and H/L bets). Even if you fall behind, you can keep playing and there is a good chance you will turn it around after a few spins (few means sometimes it can be a couple of dozen bets).
Oh, ONLY flat betting, of course. No progressions, please, not even the D' Alembert.
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and the idiots at RF are still at it >>
"so what if instead of bet reverse; 13 is black; so bet black, if 31 does come still a win, if lose double up next time one of the 13, 12 or 32 comes"
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Keep all you guys on one board please. Just, stay there.
mr j, Yesterday at 11:12 PM
The idiot above plus the General aka DSAA, make these comments, why ? suppose the crap forum where they loiter, means they have to come here to get something of substance, that they then childishly try too pull apart.
Could you please stay on your forum, thanks
that forum is their last stop
they make no useful contributions anywhere.....they seek to belittle and destroy.....their current home is an unmoderated shit hole
its their last and final stop....every now and then they sneak in here with another name
Ghost,
The posts are supposed to be fun. Relax, dont take it too seriously.
Now, let talk about the simulations. Here's a suggestion...test the same number of spins each time you test to prevent any unintentional curve fitting.
Good luck,
The General. ;)
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What the general does when at the table
Poses for a photo?
More like prays, please let it be this time
Steve the dark glasses ? could it be the blind leading the blind
Nottop,
You don't have to just continuously play this method using R/B only.
Sometimes you get positive results when playing this method using either O/E or H/L.
Quote from: Turner on Nov 26, 03:36 PM 2012
The old adage is even put forward by chatty roulette dealers. You always see 31 follow 13, 13 follow 31, 23 follows 32 and vice versa, 21 and 12 and vice versa.
I ran 10,000 spins ....
Definately is some naturally "hot pairs" that you should see more often than others.
According to the "lazy wheel of randomness"-theory (ok i just made that up) .. aka my small sample of like 400-ish spins that i looked at to see how ramdomness distributes itself on the 3 ECs changing, and discovered that:
(B=Black, R=Red, O=Odd, E=Even, H=High, L=Low)
- Rarest is that all 3 EC's change at the same time, like if you have just spun no. 31 (BOH) then getting a REL is rarest.
- Rare is that all 3 EC's stay the same, like if you just spun no. 31 (BOH) then getting another BOH (like 29) is rare.
- Common is that 2 EC's change (and 1 EC stay the same), like if you just spun no. 31 (BOH) then getting 30 (REH) is common.
- Most Common is that 1 EC change (and 2 EC stay the same),like if you just spun no. 31 (BOH) then getting 11 (BOL) is most common.
In this case then looking at those 3 pairs you mentioned in the first post:
- 31 & 13 (1 EC change) = most common.
- 23 & 32 (1 EC change) = most common.
- 21 & 12 (2 EC changes) = common.
So yes, Definately numbers that statistically should pair the most. Another 400 spins could prove me completely wrong especially between the common'ness of 2 EC changes vs 1 EC change. To step even deeper into gamblers fallacy you could argue that if you just have had a 31 & 13 pair (1 change), then the next pair should be a 2 change pair like 21 & 12 (aka its "due").
For Andre (and other people who like to bet large parts of the table): i noticed that 3 full changes happening 3 times in a row (aka BOH -> REL -> BOH -> REL) is extremely rare as it didnt happen once in the 400 spins. 2 full changes (aka BOH -> REL-> BOH) only happened 5 times and one of those was a BOH -> REL-> Zero). "A single full change" happens often & probably within the amount it should but can have large pauses without any and also grouping within few spins. However the "spread" between a single change (and the next change) may be worth betting on as that also didnt show a single time in the 400 spins (aka x "-change-" x, 1, x "-change-" x, 1, x "-change-" x wont happen .. but like x "-change-" x, 1, 2, 3, 4, x "-change-" x, 1. x "-change-" happens. Donno if that made sense ;D
Just a simple question.
Why should 31 be more likely to follow 13 than any other number?
What's the logic behind your wild idea?
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 10:18 PM 2018
Just a simple question.
Why should 31 be more likely to follow 13 than any other number?
What's the logic behind your wild idea?
Now, I know you did not fully read, it is apparent
the original poster of the thread was just looking to make discussion, you know, what forums typically do.....
I know your mindset is to belittle people so that is your goto, but had you read it you would know that Turner said: "These tests show the obvious not so shocking fact that 13 doesn't follow 31 anymore than 12 or 23."
brains pick up on patterns, its what we do...so when we see 31 and 13 or 21 then 12 we think "oh thats cool"
Quote from: The General on Apr 03, 03:08 AM 2018
Ghost,
The posts are supposed to be fun. Relax, dont take it too seriously.
fun? like when Mr J feels defeated so he then threatens to bring out false claims about someone. so disgusting that all you can think to yourself is "that's what he is thinking about!?"