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Title: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 24, 08:15 PM 2024
Hello to all players of the roulette game.
I once read in a subject, who spoke or who made all the joke about having Billedivoire's book "Jouer et Gagner" in French.
I'm not little or big crazy about spending €120 on a book.
But what do you actually know about old books on the game of roulette?
Did you know by chance that Blaise Pascal, the father of Baby Roulette, in 1659, had published a treatise on the game, and how mathematically it was possible to win against this game?
Yes this document a i have found it, but is in Latin language,normal this comming from year 1658.

I first warn the Administrators and moderators of this forum, that they have no fear, I would not post an entire book which is still currently for sale, because Amazon and the others, old books which was before in public edition, therefore Free, they as soon as they see one of his books which interests them, or which would be interesting for sale, they pay to the state a few Euros or Dollars, and after the book reappears in their stores for resale. (So here what counts is the date when I posted my thread, like that the bad bastards from Amazon won't be able to counter me, with the fact that I posted a book which is for resale with them, no because if they receive permission to republish after my publication date, they will not be able to do anything about this subject).

For his old books, which I was lucky enough to find, as soon as I find an ISBN for the book, I will attach it to you.
For free books, or free documents, here there is only one rule that counts, against plagiarism, and against the theft of ideas from elders author, having invented their game stratagems. As much systems as progressions. So I will need to send you the title of the book and its author.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 24, 10:04 PM 2024
So i start from here with 10 pages from Blaise Pascal in latin language.

I give you original text in latin and translatet version from translator, so if exist latin word which translator don't have found translation, so you should be able to understand latin or better translated sentence.

QuoteHistoria trochoidis, sive
cycloïdis, gallice : "la roulette" , in qua narratur quibus gradibus ad intimam
illius lineae [...]

iNter infinitas linearum curuarum species, si vnam circularem cxcipias, nulla est que nobis frequetius occurrat quam Trochoïdes ( Gallice ) la Roulette. Vt mirum sit quod illa priscorum faeculorum Geometras latuerit, apud quos de tali linea nihil prorsus reperiri certum est.

translated
Among the infinite species of curved lines, if you take one circular one, there is none that meets us more frequently than Trochoïdes (in French) la Roulette. It is surprising that it was hidden from the ancient Geometers, among whom it is certain that nothing of such a line is to be found.

Describitur à clauo Rotae: insublimi delato, dum Rota ipsa motu rotis peculiari, secundum orbitam suam reta fettur simul & circumuoluitur, initio motus sumpto, dum clauus orbitam tangit, vsq ; dum absoluta una conuersione, clauus idem iterum eandem taugat orbitam. Supponimus autem hic ad Geometriae speculationem, Rotam esse perfecte circularem ; clauum , punctum in circumferentia illius assumptum ; iter Rotae, perfecte planum ; orbitam denique perfecte rectam , quam circumferentia Rotae: continuo tangat; ambabus, orbita inquam & circumferentia, in uno eodemque plano inter mouendum ubique existentibus.

Hanclineam primus omnium aduettit Mersennus ex Minimorum ordine, circa annum 1615. dum rotarum motus attentius consideraret ; atque inde Rotulae: ei nomen indidit ; post ille naturameius & proprietates inspicere uoluit, sed irrito conatu.

Erat huic uiro ad excogitandas arduas eiusmodi quaestiones singulare quoddam acumen, & quo omnes in eo genere facile superatet: quanquam autein in iisdem dissoluendis, qua: praecipva huiusce negotij laus est, non eadem felicitate utebatur; tamen hoc nomine, de literis optime meritus est, quod permultis iisque pulcherrimis inuentis occasionem praebuerit, dum ad eorum inquisitionem eruditos de illis neq; cogitantes excitatet.

Ergo naturam Trochoidis omnibus quos huic operi credidit pares , inda gandam proposuit, inprimisque Galileo: at nemini res ex sententia cessit, omnesq ; de nodi Illius dissolutione des perarunt.

Sic Vinginti proxime abierunt anni ad usque 1634. quo Mersen-nus quum multas ac praeclaras proposiciones a Roberuallio regio

Translated Version:

It is described by the nail of the Wheel: carried to the sublime, while the Wheel itself, by the motion of the particular wheel, is drawn along its orbit and revolves at the same time, taking the initial motion, while the nail touches the orbit, etc.; while in absolute one turn, the same nail again navigates the same orbit. Now let us suppose here, for the sake of geometry, that the wheel is perfectly circular; a nail, a point taken in its circumference; the path of the Wheel, perfectly flat; in short, a perfectly straight orbit, which the circumference of the Wheel touches continuously; both, I say the orbit and the circumference, existing everywhere in one and the same plane between the motions.

Mersennus was the first of all to arrive at the Hancline from the order of the Minimus, about the year 1615, while he was considering more attentively the movement of the wheels; and from there he gave the name of Patulae; after that he wanted to look more naturally at the properties, but in vain.

This man had a singular acumen for devising difficult questions of this kind, and by which he easily surpasses all in that class: although he did not use it with the same success in breaking them down, which is the chief praise of this business; yet this name, of letters, he best merited, because he afforded the opportunity of finding many and the most beautiful of them, while for their inquiry he was learned about them; It will stimulate thinking.

Therefore the nature of Trochoidus was proposed to all those whom he believed to be equal to this work, and Galileo in particular; They passed away from the dissolution of his knot.

Thus, twenty years passed until 1634, when Mersen-nus received many and excellent propositions from the region of Roberuallio
So this are 1/10 pages
Blaise pascal, have used pseudonyme, so as Amos Dettonville as pen writer and others to others non mathematical idea.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 25, 04:46 AM 2024
To word Mersennum = Marin Mersennum was an Abbe lived in the same era as Blaise pascal. See Law Mersenne. was a mathematician, physicist and in connection with Galileo which was same mathematician, geometer, physicist.... in this Era.

To hancline is other familly name.(More i don't have found)see genealogy or Ancestry in USA.

To roberualij in next page, here so as Pascal have many use pseudonym in his writing, here is possible Roberualij or Roberual was invented by Pascal. By Christiaan Huygens in 1663 in other latin write, the name comme appear as write in Pascal....
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 25, 08:13 AM 2024
second page:
first in Latin and second in English translation:

QuoteMatheseos professore solui quotidie videret, ab eodem suae quoque Trochoidis solutionem sperauit.

Nec vero eum sua spes frustrata est. Felici enim inquisitionis suae successu vsus Roberuallius, Trochoidis spatium spatij Rotae a qua describitur, triplum esse demonstrauit: ac tum primum huic figurae Trochoidis nomen e Graeco deductum imposuit, quod Gallico la Roulette, aptissime respondet. Mox ille Mersenno solutum a se problema, ac triplam illam rationem ostendit, accepta ab eo fide, id pertotum adhuc annum iri compressum, dum eandem rursus quaestionem omnibus Geometris proponeret.

Laetus hoc euentu Mersennus mittit rursus ad omnes Geometras: rogat vt de integro in eam inquisitionem incumbant; addit etiam solutum a Roberuallio problema: sed de modo nihil adhuc indicat.

Anno & amplius elapso, cum nullus propositae quaestioni satisfaceret ; Tertiam ad Geometras scribit Mersennus, ac tunc anno scilicet 1635. rationem Trochoïdis ad rotam vt3. ad i esse patefecit

Hoc nouo adiuti subsidio,problematis demonstrationem inuenerunt duo, inuentamque eodem ferme tempore ad Mersennum transmiserunt,altera Fcrmatius supremae Tholosane Curie Senator ; alteramCartesius nunc vitafunctus; vtramque,& alteram ab altera, & a Roberuallij item demonstratione diuersam: ita tamen,vt qui eas omnes videat , illico illius demonstrationem internoscat qui primus problema dissoluit. Ea enim singulari quodam caractere in-signitur , ac tam pulchra & simplici via ad veritatem ducit, vt hanc vnam naturalem ac rectam esse facile scias. Et certe eadem illa via Roberuallius ad operosiores multo circa idem argumentum di-mensiones peruenit, ad quas per alias methodos nemo forsan perueniat.

Ita resbreui percrebuit, neminique in tota Gallia Geometrie studiosiori ignotum fuit demonstrationem Trochoidis acceptam Roberuallio referendam. Huic autem ille duas sub idem ferme tempus adiunxit, vna est folidorum circabasim eius mensio: altera tangentium inuentio, cuius ipse methodum & inuenit & statim euulgauit, tam generalem illam ac late patentem, vt ad omnium curuarum tangentes pertinear. Motuum compositione methodus illa innititur.

Anno autem 1658. I. de Beaugrand cum illas de plano Trochoidis demonstrationes coIlegisset, quarum ad ipsum multa exemplaria peruenerant : itemque egregiam methodum Fermatij de maximis & minimis, vtrumq ; ad Galileum misit,tacitis authorum nominibu,

now the translation
QuoteEvery day he saw Mathesus alone as a professor, from whom he also hoped to solve his Trochoid.

Nor indeed was his hope frustrated. For with the successful success of his investigation, Roberuallius demonstrated that the space of the Trochoid was three times the space of the Wheel by which it is described: and then for the first time he applied to this figure the name of the Trochoid, derived from the Greek, which corresponds most aptly to the French la Roulette. Soon he showed Mersenne the problem he had solved, and the threefold reason for it, accepted by him on faith, and it would be a further year before he would put forward the same problem again to all the geometers.

Mersennus, happy at this result, sends again to all the surveyors: he asks them to devote themselves entirely to the investigation; He also adds the problem solved by Roberuallius: but he does not yet indicate anything about the method.

A year and more passed away, when no one answered the proposed question; Mersennus writes the third to the Geometers, and then in the year 1635, the account of the Trochoides to the wheel vt3. He revealed that he was

Aided by this new aid, the two found a demonstration of the problem, and they transmitted the find to Mersenne at about the same time, the other Fcmratius supreme of the Tholosane Curia; the other, Descartes, now dead; both, and one from the other, and from Roberualli's demonstration also diverging: so, however, whoever sees them all, immediately internalizes the demonstration of him who was the first to dissolve the problem. For it is marked by a certain singular character, and leads to the truth in such a beautiful and simple way, that you may easily know that this one is natural and correct. And it is certainly the same way that Roberuallius arrived at much more laborious dimensions of the same argument, which perhaps no one could have arrived at by other methods.

Thus the resbreui grew, and no one in all Gaul was more ignorant of geometry than the demonstration of Trochoid received by Roberuallius. And to this he added two at about the same time, one is the measurement of leaves around its base; That method is based on a combination of movements.

And in the year 1658, when I. de Beaugrand had collected those demonstrations of the plane of the Trochoid, of which many copies had reached him: and likewise Fermat's excellent method of maxims and minimis, etc.; He sent to Galileo, without mentioning the names of the authors.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 25, 09:31 AM 2024
Page 3 Latin
Quoteac sibi quidem illa nominatim non adscripsit: iis tamen vsus est verbis,vt minus attente legentibus, quo minus se istorum profiteretur authorem ,sola demum impeditus modestia videretur. Itaque ad rem paululum interpolandam, mutatis nominibus,Trochoidem in Cycloïdem commutauit.

Non multo post Galileus, & ipse de Beaugrand vita cesserunt. Successit Galileo Toricellius,nactusque est inter illius manuscripta, quae omnia ad ipsum delata erant, ista de Trochoïde sub Cycloïdis nomine problemata ipsius de Beaugrand manu sic exarata quasi eorum author esset. Cognita ergo illius morte Toricellius,abolitam iam temporis spatio rei memoriam ratus, ea omnia secure iam ad se transferri posse arbitratus est.

Itaque anno 1644. librum edidit, in quo excitatam de Trochoïde quaestionem Galileo tibuit, quae: Mersenno debebatur: sibi primam eius dislolutionem arrogat, quam Roberuallij esse certum erat: in quo fane, vt candoris aliquid Toricellio defuit, sic & aliquid felicitatis. Neque enim sine quorumdam risu exceptus est in Gallia,qui anno 1644. hoc sibi asciuisset inuentum, cuius parens in viuis constanter iam per octo annos Roberuallius agnoscebatur ,qui quod suum erat non modo compluribus testibus adhuc viuentibus posset reuincere, sed etiam excusis Typo testimoniis, in quibus est quodda scriptum G.Desargues ann0 1640. Aug. mense Paris. editum; in quo nominatim habetur Trochoïdis problemata Roberuallij esse; methodum de maximis & minimis, Fermatij.

Ergo hanc iniuriam cum ipso Toricellio literis expostulauit Ro-beruallius; ac seuerius etiam Mersennus; qui tot ipsum argumentis, omnigenisq; testimoniis, etiam excusis, coarguit,vt veris victus Toricellius, hoc inuento cedere,illudq ; ad Roberuallium transscribere coactus sit: quod literis propria manu scriptis praestitit, quae etiamnum asseruantur.

Verum quia passim in manibus est Toricellij liber; contra, eius, vt ita loquar,recantatio paucis innotuit; Roberuallio tam parum de fama sua extendenda sollicito, vt nihil de ea recantatione emiserit in vulgus; multi inde in errorem, & ipsemet etiam inductus sum. Hinc factum est vt in prioribus scriptis ita sim de Trochoïde locutus, quasi eam princeps Toricellius inuenerit. Quo errore cognito, facien. dum duxi, vt quod iure Roberuallio debetur, hoc ipsi scripto restituerem.

Vsus hoc infortunio Toricellius, cum iam nec dimensionem spatij Cycloïdis , nec solidi circa basim primus inuenisse existimari posset
And translated version
Quoteand indeed he did not ascribe them to himself by name: yet he was opposed to those words, that is, to those who read them less attentively, the less he professed himself to be the author of them, in the end only his modesty seemed to hinder him. And so, to interpolate the matter a little, by changing the names, he changed Trochoid into Cycloïde.

Not long after, Galileo and de Beaugrand himself gave up their lives. He succeeded Galileo Toricelli, and among his manuscripts, all of which had been brought to him, these problems of Trochoïde, under the name of Cycloïdes, were drawn up by de Beaugrand's own hand, as if he had been the author of them. When Toricelli learned of his death, thinking that the memory of the matter had already been abolished by the passage of time, he thought that all these things could now be safely transferred to him.

And so, in 1644, he published a book in which he raised a question about Trochoïde to Galileo, which he owed to Mersenne: he arrogates to himself his first dissolution, which was certain to be Roberuallij's; For he was not without some laughter received in Gaul, who, in 1644, had learned of this discovery, whose parent had been constantly recognized among the living for eight years as Roberuallius, who was able to regain what was his not only by several witnesses still living, but also by excusing the testimony of Typus. in which there is something written by G. Desargues in 1640. Aug. in the month of Paris published; in which it is specifically held that the problems of Trochoides are Roberuallius; method of maxima and minima, Fermatij.

Therefore Ro-beruallius expostulated this wrong in letters with Toricelli himself; and Mersennus even more seriously; who, with so many arguments, of all kinds; by evidence, even with excuses, he forced Toricellius, who had been truly defeated, to surrender this and that; he was forced to transcribe at Roberuallius: because he presented the letters written with his own hand, which are still asserted.

It is true that Toricelli's book is scattered in the hands; on the contrary, his recantation, so to speak, was known to a few; Roberuallio was so little anxious to extend his fame, that he had not broadcast anything of that recantation to the common people; Many have been led astray by this, and I myself have also been led astray. Hence it came to pass that in my former writings I spoke thus of the Trochoïde, as if the prince Toricellius had found it. When they learn of this mistake, they will do it. while I thought that what was due by right to Roberuallius, I would restore this to him in writing.

This was a misfortune for Toricellius, since it could no longer be thought that he was the first to find the dimensions of the space of the cycloid, nor of the solid around the base.
Page 4 in latin :
Quoteabiis quibus perspecta rei veritas esset. Solidi circa axem Cycloïdis, mensionem aggressus est: ibivero non mediocrem difficultatem offendit: est enim illud altissimae cuiusdam & operosissimae inquisi-tionis problema; in quo cum veram assequi non posset,verae proxi. mam solutionem mifi; ac solidum illud ad suum Cylindrum esse dixit, sicut II. ad 18. ratus errorem illum a nemine reselli posse. verum nihilo fuit hoc etiam in loco felicior ; Nam Roberuallius qui veram ac Geometricam dimensionem inuenerat, non modo suum illi errorem, sed etiam veram problematis resolutionem indicauit.

Toricellius non multo post fato conceflit. At Roberuallius sola simplicis Trochoïdis eiusque solidorum dimensione non contentus, omnes omnino Trochoïdes siue protractas siue contractas inquisitione complexus est,easque excogitauit methodos, quae ad omnem Trochoïdis speciem pertinerent : eademque facilitate tangentes darent; plana , & planorum partes dimetirentur ; centra grauitatis planorum; ac postremo solida circa basim circa axem, patefacerent. Quamvis enim integras tantum Trochoïdes dimensus sit ; tamen ad Trochoïdum partes nihil mutata eius methodus non minus expedite adhiberi potest; vt qui illud Roberuallio inuentum abiudicet,merito cauillator habendus sit.

Nec vero ea omnia apud se celauit RoberualIius, sed scriptis mandata publice, priuatimque, atque etiam in celebri selectorum virorum Matheseos peritissimorum coetu , per complures dies legit, & cupientibus describenda permisit.

Eo perducta Roberuallij induftria Trochoïdis cognitione,ibi per 14.annos substiterat, cum me ad abdicata pridem Geometris studia repetenda improuisa occasio compulit. Tum vero eas mihi paraui methodosad dimenfionem , & centra grauitatis solidorum, planarum & curuarum superficierum , curuarum item linearum ,vt illas vix quicquam effugere posse videretur: atque adeo vt id in materia vel difficillima periclitarer, ad ea quae: de Trochoïde vestigandafupererant aggressus sum; nepe centra grauitatis solidorum Trochoïdis , & solidorum ex eius partibus exurgentium; dimensionem , & centra grauitatis superficierum omnium istorum solidorum; ac postremo dimenfionem, & centra grauitatis ipsiusmet lineae curuae CycIoïdis, eiusq; pattium.

Ac primum centra grauitatis solidorum semisolidorum indagaui, & opemeae methodi assecutus sum; quod mihi sic arduum est visum quasvisalias insistentibus vias,vt periculum facturus, an ita res esset quem admodum mihi persuaseram,hanc omnibus Geometris,
And translated :
Quoteand indeed he did not ascribe them to himself by name: yet he was opposed to those words, that is, to those who read them less attentively, the less he professed himself to be the author of them, in the end only his modesty seemed to hinder him. And so, to interpolate the matter a little, by changing the names, he changed Trochoid into Cycloïde.

Not long after, Galileo and de Beaugrand himself gave up their lives. He succeeded Galileo Toricelli, and among his manuscripts, all of which had been brought to him, these problems of Trochoïde, under the name of Cycloïdes, were drawn up by de Beaugrand's own hand, as if he had been the author of them. When Toricelli learned of his death, thinking that the memory of the matter had already been abolished by the passage of time, he thought that all these things could now be safely transferred to him.

And so, in 1644, he published a book in which he raised a question about Trochoïde to Galileo, which he owed to Mersenne: he arrogates to himself his first dissolution, which was certain to be Roberuallij's; For he was not without some laughter received in Gaul, who, in 1644, had learned of this discovery, whose parent had been constantly recognized among the living for eight years as Roberuallius, who was able to regain what was his not only by several witnesses still living, but also by excusing the testimony of Typus. in which there is something written by G. Desargues in 1640. Aug. in the month of Paris published; in which it is specifically held that the problems of Trochoides are Roberuallius; method of maxima and minima, Fermatij.

Therefore Ro-beruallius expostulated this wrong in letters with Toricelli himself; and Mersennus even more seriously; who, with so many arguments, of all kinds; by evidence, even with excuses, he forced Toricellius, who had been truly defeated, to surrender this and that; he was forced to transcribe at Roberuallius: because he presented the letters written with his own hand, which are still asserted.

It is true that Toricelli's book is scattered in the hands; on the contrary, his recantation, so to speak, was known to a few; Roberuallio was so little anxious to extend his fame, that he had not broadcast anything of that recantation to the common people; Many have been led astray by this, and I myself have also been led astray. Hence it came to pass that in my former writings I spoke thus of the Trochoïde, as if the prince Toricellius had found it. When they learn of this mistake, they will do it. while I thought that what was due by right to Roberuallius, I would restore this to him in writing.

This was a misfortune for Toricellius, since it could no longer be thought that he was the first to find the dimensions of the space of the cycloid, nor of the solid around the base.
the truth of the matter would be understood by those who He set about the measurement of the solids about the axis of the Cycloides: indeed, he encountered no moderate difficulty: for it is the problem of a very deep and laborious investigation; in which, when he could not attain the truth, he came close to the truth. I will give you my solution; and he said that it was solid to his cylinder, as II. at 18. thinking that this error could not be restored by anyone. but this was by no means more successful in this place; For Roberuallius, who had found the true and geometrical dimension, not only told him his error, but also the true resolution of the problem.

Toricellius conceived not long after his fate. But Roberuallius, not content with the simple Trochoides alone and the dimensions of their solids, investigated all the Trochoides altogether, whether extended or contracted, and devised methods which would pertain to every species of Trochoides: and would give tangents with the same facility; the plains and the parts of the plains should be released; centers of gravity of planes; and lastly the solids around the base around the axis, they would reveal. For although only whole Trochoides have been measured; yet his method can be used no less expediently for the parts of the Trochoides; for he who disobeys that found by Roberuallius, should be considered a custodian by merit.

Nor indeed did Roberualius conceal all these things from himself, but he read the written orders publicly, and privately, and even in a famous company of select men, the most skilled Mathesians, for several days, and allowed them to be copied by those who wished.

Brought there by Roberuallius to the knowledge of Trochoides, he had stayed there for 14 years, when an unpromising opportunity forced me to resume my studies of Geometry, which I had abandoned long ago. And then I prepared for myself methods for measuring them, and the centers of gravity of solid, flat, and curved surfaces, which were also curved, and it seemed that hardly anything could escape from them; perhaps the centers of gravity of the solids of the Trochoides, and of the solids rising from its parts; the dimensions and centers of gravity of the surfaces of all these solids; and lastly the dimensions, and the centers of gravity of the lines of the curua CycIoides, eiusq; pattium

And for the first time I traced the centers of gravity of solid semi-solids, and I obtained an opium method; because it seemed so difficult to me that any visible roads would be dangerous if they were to do so, which I had very much persuaded myself,
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 25, 12:06 PM 2024
Quote5
etiam constituto praemio, inquisicionem proponere decreuerim.
Tunc scilicet latina illa scripta quaquauersum missa vulgaui ; ac dum illa de solidis problemata inuestigantur, reliqua ego omnia dissoIui, quemadmodum sub huius scriptionis finem exponam,vbi de Geometrarum responsis prius dixero.
Illa vero responsa duplicis sunt generis; quippe diuersi sunt scribentium genij Quidam soluta a seproblemata , atque ita itis sibi in praemium esse contendunt. Horum scripta legitimo examine propediem excutientur. AIij ad problematum quidem solutionem non aspirant, sed su as tantum in Cycloïdem commentationes exponunt.
Horum in literis multa praeclara, & eximiae dimetiendi Cycloïdis plani rationes habentur ; imprimisq; in epistolis Fluxij Leodiensis Ecclesia: Canonici, Richij Romani, Eugenij Bataui qui primus om¬nium detexit eam plani Trochoïdis portionem trilineam , quae his tribus lineis comprehenditur, scilicet quarta parte axis ad verticem terminata, recta ad axem ab initio illius quartae partis perpendiculariter ordinata vsque ad Trochoïdem , & portione curuae Trochoïdis inter duas praedidas redas terminata, spatio rectilineo dato aequalem esse , atq; adeo illi aquale quadratum absolute exhiberi: quod idem in Epistola VVren Angli eodem fere tempore scripta reperi.
Cycloïdis etiam,eiusque partium, itemque solidorum circabasim tantum dimensionem accepimus ab Allouero e focietate Iesu Tholosano; quam, quia ille typis editam misit, attentius inspiciens, non sine admiratione cognoui cuncta illa quae: ibi habentur problemata, etsi non alia sint quam quae iam pridem a Roberuallio soluta sunt, ta¬men ab illo nulla prorsus Roberuallij facta mentione, quasi a se pri¬mum soluta, proferri. Quanquamenim diuersam fecutus est metho¬dum, neminem tamen fugit quam promptum ac procliue sit iam inuentas propositiones noua specie habituq; producere: tum excognita illarum solutione, nouas soluendivias comminisci.
Egi igitur sedulo cum Carcauio, tum vt Allouerum moneret, quod pro suo venditabat, Roberuallij esse, vel nullo negotio excius inuentis elici ; tum etiam vt viam ipsi explanaret qua eo Roberualiius peruenerat; nam haec inter honestos viros citra periculum communicantur. Me igitur anmtente scriptum est ad Allouerum, il¬lam quae Roberuallium eo perduxerat methodum, cuiusdam figurae quadratura niti, ab eodem pridem inuenta, quam figuram delineat circini ductus in recti Cylindri superficie, quaesuperficies in planum porrecta, mediam cuiusdam lineae efficit partem , quam Roberualius

Here page 6
QuoteTrochoïdis Sociam siue Gemellam dixit, ex qua quae ad axem rectae ad angulos rectos ducuntur, aequales sunt ductis exTrochoïde, demptis illis quae ex Rota ducuntur. In hoc vero nonmediocrem me ab Allouero gratiam iniisse credidi; quandoquidem ipse in suis literis quae adhuc habentur, de istius figurae quam Cycloï-Cylindri-cam appellat, quadratura ita loquitur, quafi que à sua notitia longe absit & quam nosse vehementer expetat.
Haecpro Carcauio,cui tam multa scribere non vacabat,quidam ip-sius amicus ad Allouerum seripsit, cui vicisim rescripsit Allouerus.
Sed inter missa a Geometris scripta, nullum ipsius VVren scripto prestantius. Nam praeter egregiam dimetiendi Cycloïdis plani rationem, etiam curuae & eius partium cum recta comparationem aggreffus est. Propositio eius est,Trochoïdem ad suum axem esse qua-druplam; huius ille enuntiationem sine demonstratione misit; & quia primus protulit, inuentoris laudem promeritus est.
Nihil tamen de illius honore detractum iri puto , si quod verissimum est dixero,quosdam e Gallia Geometras ad quos illa enunciatio perlata est, & in iis Fermatium, eius non difficulter demonstrationem inuenisse. Dicam insuper Roberuallium nihil sibi nouum af¬ferri plane ostendisse; statim ac enim de ea propositione audiit, inte¬gram eius demonstrationem continuo subiecit, cum pulcherrima methodo ad omniem linearum curuarum dimensionem, quam me¬thodum ipse dum alia inde grauiora consectaria sperat eruere, diu occultam habuerat. Et certe eadem ille methodo vsus erat ad com¬parandas Spirales lineas cum Parabolicis, qua de re in operibus Mersenni nonnulla reperias.
Haec Methodus compositione item motuu innititur, vt & illa tagentium. Nam sicuti motus compositi directio tangentem dat, sic eius celeritascurue longitudine essicit; quod fane nunc primum reseratur Haec sunt quae in eorum qui praemium non respiciunt scri¬ptis ammaduersione dignissima reperi; de caeteris,peracta demum discussione, dicemus; quam quidem prima O ctobris die aperiri constitutum erat, sedad reditum vfque Carcauij, qui jamjam affuturus nuntiatur, rejicere necesse fuit. Tum vero iudicabitur an aliqui quatuor illis legibus satisfecerint, quas nos editis Mense lunio scriptis promulgauimus.
1.    Vt solutio Carcauio denuntiata & apud eundem rescriptasit in¬tra praestitutum tempus,nimirum primum Octob. diem; qui intrat, (haec  nostra verba) praestitutum tempus D de Carcauy signisicauerit.

2.   Vt illa denuntiacio instrumento publico fiat, ad tollendam frau¬dis suspicionem.

Here i start translation from this 2 pages.
Quote5
even after the reward had been established, I resolved to propose an inquiry.
Then, of course, the written Latin was sent everywhere to the vulgar; and while those solid problems are being investigated, I have broken up all the rest, as I will explain at the end of this writing, where I will first speak about the answers of the Geometers.
But those answers are of two kinds; for there are divers writing geniuses. The writings of these will soon be shaken by a legitimate examination. Indeed, they do not aspire to the solution of the problems, but only comment on the Cycloides.
In the letters of these, there are many excellent and exceptional reasons for the reduction of the plane of the Cycloides; especially in the epistles of the Church of Leodia: Canonici, Richius Romani, Eugenius Bataui, who first of all discovered that trilinear portion of the plane of the Trochoides, which is comprised by these three lines, that is, the fourth part of the axis terminated at the top, the straight line arranged perpendicularly to the axis from the beginning of that fourth part until to the Trochoide, and bounded by the portion of the Trochoide's bow between the two given reins, to be equal to the given rectilinear space, and so much so that the square water was presented absolutely to him: which I find the same in the Epistle of VVren of England written about the same time.
We have received only the dimensions of the cycloids, and of their parts, and also of the solids around the base, from Allouerus, from the study of Jesus of Tholos; which, because he had sent the printed edition, upon closer inspection, I learned, not without astonishment, all that: there are problems there, even if they are no other than those which had already been solved a long time ago by Roberuallius, yet by him there was absolutely no mention of Roberuallij, as if by himself first released, brought forward Although various methods have been used, yet no one escapes how quickly and easily the propositions already found have been adapted to a new form; to produce: then, having discovered the solution of those, new solutions were proposed.
I therefore acted diligently with Carcauius, and then he advised Allouer, that he was selling for his own, that Roberuallij was, or had no business, to find the elixir. then also that he should explain to himself the way by which Roberualius had arrived there; for these dangers are shared among honest men on this side. It was therefore written in my memory to Allouerus, that method which had led him to Roberualius, based on the quadrature of a certain figure.
And page 6.
QuoteHe called the Trochoide the Consort or Twin, from which those which are drawn to the right axis at right angles are equal to those drawn from the Trochoide, minus those which are drawn from the Wheel. In this, indeed, I believed that I had received no mean favor from Allouerus; since in his letters, which are still preserved, he speaks of the quadrature of that figure which he calls Cycloï-Cylindri-cam, which is far from his knowledge, and which he vehemently desires to know.
For this reason Carcauius, to whom he had no time to write so much, a certain friend of his, sneaked to Allouerus, to whom Allouerus wrote in turn.
But among the masses written by the Geometers, none of the writings of VVren excels. For in addition to the excellent method of dividing the plane of the Cycloides, he also grasped the curua and its parts with a correct comparison. His proposition is, that the Trochoide is quadruple to its axis; of this he sent the statement without demonstration; and because he was the first to bring it forth, he earned the praise of the inventor.
However, I think nothing will be taken away from his honor, if I say what is most true, that certain geometers from Gaul to whom that statement was conveyed, and among them Fermatius, found a demonstration of it without difficulty. I will say, moreover, that Roberualius clearly showed that nothing new had been brought to him; for as soon as he heard of that proposition, he immediately submitted to its complete demonstration, with a most beautiful method for all the dimensions of the lines of the curias, which method he himself had kept hidden for a long time, while he hoped to derive from it other greater consequences. And certainly he used the same method to compare spiral lines with parabolic lines, which you can find some information about in the works of Mersenne.
This method is also based on the composition of movement, viz. For just as the direction of a compound motion gives a tangent, so its speed dries up in length; which is now being unlocked for the first time. of the rest, after the discussion is finished, we will say; which, indeed, it had been decided to open on the first day of October, but it was necessary to reject the return of the vf Carcauij, who was already announced to be there. And then it will be judged whether some have satisfied those four laws, which we promulgated by writings published in the last month.
1. As the solution announced at Carcauio and rewritten with the same within the appointed time, presumably the first of Octob. day; he who enters, (these words of ours) signified the appointed time of D de Carcauy.

2. That this announcement should be made in a public instrument, in order to remove the suspicion of fraud.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 25, 04:20 PM 2024
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Well, hello, so here I just came across an old character, and as the letter is written in Latin, unfortunately I don't know how to identify the character, all I know is cursive Roman writing. the writing style has the famous "s long or elongated", so if someone could help me identify this character, thank you, I am attaching a screen print close-up on the "s" and on the character or the Latin word, which I cannot identify.

So the latin word finish with "..atuendum" 1
so "S" Elongated is used as word "miserit" underscore in white.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 27, 01:58 PM 2024
ok, i have decypher word.
Here the two last page, yes on start, it was write 10 pages, but is only 8 pages total.
So here the last latin version.

Quote3.Vt demonstratio compendiaria, vel saltem certi cuiusdam casus calculus offeratur ; ex quo incelligi possit an qui eum mittit iam tum veram problematis solutionem tenere credendus sit. Aut certe ad consfirmandam assertionis veritatem , casus quem mox designabimus calculum miserit. At misso calculo solo, tunc de vero aut falfo omnino statuendum veniet, provt calculus velverus vel falsus iudicatus fuerit.



4. Vt deinde per otium , omnium propositorum casuum demonstratio mittatur, caque vera & omnibus partibus Geometrica abijsiudicetur, quos Carcauius arbitros asciuerit. Si quis tamen error calculi in integras illas omnium casuum demonstrationes irrepserit, eum putauimus condonandum : quia calculi necessitas cessat, vbi adest demonstratio: adeoque tunc semper ignoscendus est: error in calculo interueniens.

Si duo his conditionibus satisfecerint, primus primum praemium, secundus secundum accipiet ; si vnus modo. solus vtrumque obtinebit. At qui vel vni illarum legum defuerit, excidet ille quidem praemio, non item honore , quem pro scriptorum quae ille publicare poterit praetio, meritum consequetur; non enim vllas dispensando honori leges apposui ,qui prorsus mei iuris non erat; sed tantum praemijs, quorum mihi plena & soluta potestasfuit.

Quod si, re legitime discussa, nullus problemata dissoluisse reperiatur, tunc meas ipse solutiones proferam ,vti me in scriptis meis, postquam praestituta ad id prima Octobris dies aduenisset, facturum esse pollicitus sum. Itaque calculum meum iam euulgare coepi, multisque ilium fide dignissimis personis tradidi manuscriptum : & inter alios Carcauio, Roberuallio, D. Galois Regio Tabellioni Parisijs degenti,ac compluribus alijs Galliae viris dignitate & eruditione praestantibus, qui die accepti a me calculi diligenter annotarunt.

Hunc vero propterea statim edendum non censui, vt si qui inipsa discussione eum inuenisse reperti sint, id ab ipsis ante vulgatam solutionem meam factum praedicem: sin minus a nemine inuenta publicabo.

Quin etiam, quo tota Trochoidis natura pernoscatur ,fequentia adiungam problemata, quorum nonnulla mihi videntur non minus ad soluendum difficilia , quam quae huc vsque proposita sunt.

1. Puncto Z dato quocumque in Trochoide simplici, inuenire

centrum grauitatis curuae Z A inter assignatum punctum Z & verticem A interceptae.

2.  Inuenire dimensionem superficiei curuae ab  eadem curua Z A

descriptae,dum ipsa Z A circumuoluitur ,vel circabasim, qui casus facilis est, vel circa axem: & siue conuersio proponatur integra, siue dimidiata ,veleius quaecumque pars.

3. Omnium praedictarum superficierum a curua Z A descriptarum tam partium, quam integrarum,centra grauitatis assignare.

Et hoc quidem tertium omnium inuentu difficillimum mihi extitit. Esto ergo idem solum ac vnicum prae caeteris ad discutiendum propositum.

Inomnibus autem illis problematibus supponitur circuli quadratura , vbicumquc supponendafuit.

Haec sunt quae de natura Trochoidis retegenda restabant, quorum solutionem ad vltimum vsque Decembris diem huius anni 1658. comprirmemus, vt si quis ea intra id tempus inuenerit, inuentionis gloria potiatur. At hoc elapso, si nemo attulerit, ipsimet afferemus: atque ipsam etiam generalem dimensionem omnium linearum curuarum cujusuis Trochoidis vel prottactae vel conttracte ; quae non rectis lineis, sed Ellipsibus aequales ostendentur.

Hic nostrae in huius lineae natura rimanda peruestigationis limes fuit j quare vt totam hanc narrationem in summam contraham.

Primus Marsennus ,hanc lineam in natura rerum aduertit,nec tamen eius naturam peruidere valuit.

Primus Roberuallius, & naturam retexit, & tangentes assignauit, ac plana & solida dimensus est; & centra grauitatis, tum plani, tum plani partium,inuenit.

Primus VV ren, lineam curuam dimensus est.

Ego denique primus, solidorum, ac semisolidorum Trochoidis & eius partium, tum circa basim, tum circa axem, centra grauitatis inueni. Primus ipsiusmet lineae centrum grauitatis. primus dimensionem superficierum curuarum praedicta solida, semisolida, eorumq; partes comprehendentium. Primus centra grauitatis talium superficierum integrarum & diminutarum. Ac primus dimensionem omnium linearum curuarum cujusuis Trochoidis, tam protactae, quam conttactae.      

Decim. octob. 1658.

And now translated version.

Quote3. As a summary demonstration, or at least a certain calculus of a certain case is offered; from which it can be understood whether he who sends him is to be believed to hold the true solution of the problem. Or at least to confirm the truth of the assertion, he sent the calculus which we shall soon describe. But when the calculus alone is sent, it will then come to be decided entirely whether it is true or false, after the calculus has been judged to be true or false.



4. Then, at leisure, a demonstration of all the proposed cases should be sent, and the truths and all the geometrical parts should be adjudged, which Carcauius had arbitrarily assigned. If, however, an error of calculation crept into those complete demonstrations of all cases, we thought he should be pardoned: because the necessity of calculation ceases, where the demonstration is present: and so then it is always to be forgiven: an error entering into the calculation.

If two have satisfied these conditions, the first will receive the first prize, the second the second; if one way he alone will obtain both. But he who has failed in even one of those laws, will indeed be cut off by the reward, not also by the honor, which the merit will obtain for the value of the writings which he can publish; for I did not, by dispensation, apply laws to honor, which was not entirely my right; but only the rewards of which I had full and free power.

And if, after the matter has been legitimately discussed, it is found that none of the problems have been resolved, then I will bring forward my own solutions, as I promised to do in my writings, after the first day of October had arrived. And so I began to publicize my calculus, and I delivered the manuscript to many persons worthy of his trust: and among others, D. Galois, who lived in the region of Tabellion Parisij, at Carcauio, Roberuallio, and to several other men of Gaul of distinction and erudition, who carefully annotated the calculus on the day it was received from me.

For this reason, however, I did not decide to publish it at once, for if it is found that those who have discovered it through indecent discussion, I will announce my solution, which was previously published by them;

Moreover, when the whole nature of the Trochoid is known, I will add frequent problems, some of which seem to me no less difficult to solve than those which have been proposed up to now.

1. Find the point Z given anywhere on the simple trochoid

the center of gravity of the curve Z A between the assigned point Z and the vertex A intercepted.

2. Find the surface area of the curve from the same curve Z A

described, while Z A itself is revolved around, either around the base, which is the easy case, or around the axis;

3. To assign the centers of gravity of both parts and wholes of all the aforesaid surfaces described by the curve Z A.

And indeed this third finding of all was the most difficult for me. Be the same, then, as the sole and the only one before the rest to discuss the purpose.

But in all these problems the squaring of the circle is supposed, wherever it was supposed.

These are the things that remained to be discovered about the nature of the Trochoid, the solution of which we will confine to the last day of December of this year 1658, so that if anyone finds them within that time, the glory of the discovery may be obtained. But when this has passed, if no one has brought it, we will bring it ourselves: and also the general dimension of all the lines of the horns of each Trochoid, either extended or contracted; which will not be shown in straight lines, but in equal ellipses.

Here was the limit of our investigation into the nature of this line, and therefore I will summarize this whole narrative.

Marsennus was the first to point out this line in the nature of things, and yet he was not able to perceive its nature.

The first Roberuallius, and discovered nature, and assigned tangents, and measured planes and solids; and he found the centers of gravity, both of the plane and of the plane of the parts.

The first VV ren, measured the gray line.

Finally, I was the first to find the centers of gravity of the solid and semi-solid Trochoid and its parts, both around the base and around the axis. The first line is the center of gravity. the first is the dimension of the surfaces of the aforesaid solid, semi-solid, etc.; the parts that comprise The first centers of gravity of such surfaces are intact & reduced. And he was the first to determine the dimensions of all the lines of the horns of each Trochoid, both extended and contacted.

The tenth October 1658
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 27, 04:16 PM 2024
Hello, but now that is enough for me the Latin language.
So now I'm passing on a book where I don't have the right to publish it entirely, since it was taken out of the archives and taken over by a brand for resale.... either because they saw it, or because people was interested in reading this book, so they just want to resell even if their own mother, could bring them money, they would put it up for sale.
Okay, enough talking:

Pascal, inventor of roulette, said: "I will provide the means to destroy this game".

And, a century ago, Napoleon: "Calculation will conquer the game".

Prophecies made today by the New Scientific Theory
OF the game of Roulette, Trente et Quarante, etc.

giving the two laws which govern them and with the help of which we obtain blows on the Bank without progressions
BY
Théo d'ALOST
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 27, 04:45 PM 2024
here with century ago, because book, was publish in year 1910.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 27, 08:20 PM 2024
So this book will speak:

1° Hits on the bank with equal mass = no progression;

2° Persistent or indefinite ecarts don't possible;

3° Narrowing of the "point of ecarts" at will, in a word complete victory on roulette and everything that we qualify as "game of hazard".

And i start here now, nothing after, with value, wo you should know as player:
Series of 1 in spin = on 1000 spins coming = 500 here nothing 0 outcoming integrated.
Series from 2 and more in spin = 500 without count 0....
And here you divide more time 50% to all two chance, so as Red and Black. or Even and Odds. or 1-18 and 19-36. So to 1000 spin = 250 Red and 250 Black one 1 series and 250 2 and more series.

So yes any new time, in one day, on 250 spin/days, so as make series 200 Red or 200 Black, don't be possible don't before Billions (number contain 15x 0 back on number)years.
Outcoming from series 25 = 1 time each 100 year, and i have follow so series on Red color. in my old Casino. It gave player, wo run to coming on table by 14th spin, played to break, with paroli but was all dead in money, after 21th spin.

And each played Day, a from series 1-10 are possible to come out. So same, each day, a player wo play paroli to break a chance to follow, each day so, this player have possibility to sunk in deepness of payment.So Series of 9 or 10 have possibility to start on first minute as the roulette table is open, or coming to start only 6-8 hours after opening roulette table.

 
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 28, 09:18 AM 2024
But, i should to open it, with this self warning message from Author.wo i self subscribe fully.
yes sure, this was in year 1910, but forgot, today it give this false casino.

QuoteIn this regard, I cannot stress enough that it is dangerous to frequent these clandestine houses, a thousand unpleasant surprises await the player there. There is only one house in the world where gambling is practiced in a correct, fair manner, and that is at the Monte-Carlo Casino.

Everyone who has visited a casino has been able to make this remark (we have heard it made a hundred times): "Is it possible to play so stupidly? It's silly! » And it is very true; We sometimes see players maneuvering in such a clumsy way that anyone who knows the game is immediately struck by it.

Playing red and black simultaneously, out of three dozen, sow on the table a number of coins such that the luckiest hit of one of all the bets would not cover the expense made. This fact observed, we can logically deduce that:

If we can play stupidly, we can play less stupidly, then better, well, absolutely well and surely win.

This winning clientele, of which we speak above, and which we refer to somewhat disdainfully as "people who make a living from gambling", forms a very large contingent of this very special world of players. They are, in any case, researchers. They manage, through patience, to find, without really knowing why, a somewhat slow game which gives little difference and which, in practice, leaves them, at a given moment, with a few winning moves. . They are content with it, and get married. They know, from experience, that if they continued, these units would return to the bank. Hence again this cliché: "You have to know how to be satisfied with a little", and this little, even if it is only two or three units, is enormous, because these units can be 5, 10, 20 and up to 6,000 francs.
Today money are €, so you should change value to maximum autorised to play on table.

QuoteWe personally knew a household; the woman alone played. She sat down at noon, and at the stroke of 4 she got up, her work was finished. She always played the same game with the unit of 5 francs and it was only after five years that they retired having realized the fortune they had decided to conquer. He is the finest example of wisdom and perseverance that we have ever had the pleasure of encountering.

It is also proof, alongside a hundred others, that the Monte-Carlo administration leaves the players who win perfectly alone, and only evicts from its salons the incorrect or dishonest players who then pose as victims and insinuate , even affirm, that the reason for their ostracism is the fear that the bank would have had of their game.

here i have perfect vision, in era 1910, yes, this can are correct, but today, if a casino see it a winner wo win too many money, no no, she have make experience with Bonaparte, Garcia and Wells, so no, it don't would have a new scorer, wo want explode too many her bank reserve. So it accept it Winner, but it give limit to win...
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 28, 12:23 PM 2024
So here now, i hold with quote, because is a book we are sale by brand.
But It don't be prohibited from simply discussing its content with you.

So in the book it is written a proof of the role of zero in the cylinder. Yes, here when Blaise Pascal created roulette, he organized everything so that all the chances of the game were integrated. And of course he didn't integrate them simply by throwing the odds inside the cylinder. No here in addition he carefully placed the 0 in the cylinder, no such putting in the center of the number between the 28 and the 12; starting from the center of zero since if we draw a straight line ending at its end between the 30 and the 11, thus we could see that on one side there will be an imbalance between the Even and the Odds. But Pascal wanted to have a perfect balance of chances, which is why the zero is found between the 26 and the 32 and dividing the 5 and the number 10.
Thus we find, 9 Red, 9 black, 9 odd and 9 even and 9 1-18 and 9 19-36, and on the other side we will also find the identical numbers of chances Red, black, odd, even 1 -18 and 19-36.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 28, 06:16 PM 2024
The author Théo d'Alost, go even further or more in depth. By listing: Since there is this real balance between the chances in the game. We must exclude any idea of chance, if we admitted this false definition, all the spins would be new. And they could make this balance has never been achieved, but we all know that it is totally impossible.

And in chapter II, he proves the absurdity of systems, reviewing "here he uses the word figure, and he uses the word form, while I will instead use the term currently using either Possibility.

Well, so we start with the Fig. of 1 or 1spin from the beginning, here we are in complete agreement, we don't know anything else yet, either this will be example Red or Black. So 2 possibilities

TO First to 4th. spin with his possibilities

see here:
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To first yes, here it give just Red or Black (2 possibilities)
To second; here RR or RB or if first was black BB or BR (4 possibilities)
To Third; here it give each more is 2 time more more possibilities (8 possibilities)
and with 4 spin = (16 possibilities)
with 5 = (32 possibilities).....

But so, each time, if we wait on first spin, so each time we can delete 50% of possibilities.
 
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 29, 06:50 AM 2024
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So here now next step, each figure should be numbered,and yes the figure starting with Black color as first spin, use same code number as this with Red Color.

Does this now give you a better understanding of what this is going to mean?
No?
If I note for example the outputs, and at each spin, I add the appropriate code to the figure, which this has just given, such as the code 1 = series. So on 8 spins one after the other it will be 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1, But if such on the 3rd spin, here there is a break so color change is 1 -1- here you will need to enter the code 2 which gives 1-1-2.
Either for the next spin it will either return to Red or it will stay on black. If for the 4th spin, it returns to Red, it will be 1-1-2-3 and if it continues to the black side = 1-1-2-4.

And now I ask you the following question, which will give you light. If the figure 1-1-2-3 had come out 4 spins before, and the player just wants 4 spins of play, then what chance does this figure now come back after 1-1-2-3 a new figure 1 -1-2-3?
50% since the other solution would have been 1-1-2-4.
Here I'm talking about playing figures, not spins.
But a classic series as we know.
Spin 1 = 50% Either as an example R
2 spins of a series in Red or Black. = 50% = 1/2 R
3 spin of a series in red..."""" =50% of 50% = 1/4 R
4 spins in a series in red.."" =1/8, but each time = 50% following, spins from before.

And here too, during the numbering, the player must carefully prepare his figures containing the numberings, otherwise he himself will quickly get involved with the brushes, being obliged to carefully re-check each figure. So for the codes, as it will work according to the figures, whether Red or Black, the numbering will not change between the two colors, since once again, it is the figure which is registered, not the spin number.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 29, 11:31 AM 2024
And after it explain: But here the player should take refference or indication on 3 previous spins
And the fourth determines the pattern or figure.

here i will use, number coming from Duisburg casino from year 2019.
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So with this 3 first number, the french table in duisburg, have opening is day. So is Same, if player coming in Casino only on 8pm so, it should take only the 3 spin Before as refference to future figure or pattern. here also R-R-R

And it follow with explaining: we start also with Winning side, or follow the pattern from 3 spin before. So for this, we should nothing bet
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W = Win Loss = Loss

To 4th spin, coming number 3 = Red, so from here we have opening pattern on Red to bet on next.
p2.png

Here are first attack stage = So bet 3 time of 4 spins.
Theo have use 64 spin as exemple:
So first Bet here was on Red, and i have lost number 13 coming is black. So, 1st. start on black.
So as Also have say, start playing on Winner (last coming color), we bet so on last Spin. So here bet on Black.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 29, 12:53 PM 2024
Nop, i have stop it, with hi's strategy to bet each spin or 1 to 2 spin.
Because, here Théo d'Alost, don't use the Ecart we one chance can go in 20 spin as exemple, yes on End night,or End Game, so all two chance, so as Red and Black, can just coming to Egality, so as exemple on 200 spin, the end game = 95 Red and 100 Black with 5 time 0 out.
But on this day, or Night, the Ecart can go from +20 to -15, so 35 part, wo player can usefull play and win his bet.

So yes,i have found any others. please look...
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Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 29, 01:04 PM 2024
here was Ecart of +10 highest point for Red Side.
And here i don't bet on spin, but real figure, or Pattern, so first pattern, we are Favorite was Pattern 1 and 5, and so as Pattern 5 was just coming out, yes it can make double, But here to favorite follow it give many solution, too, here 8 pattern to 4 spins.
And so Black should comming back to make 50/50 chances, so, Pattern 6, was make on Black side, so my next bet, is Pattern 8, so after 1 Red, should comming 3 time Black.

I will look, if play pattern in 3 spins, can me done better result. Because 3 = only 4 possibility for Black or Red.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: roulettefan on Jan 29, 02:37 PM 2024
Asterix, faut qu'on parle. Tu nous ramènes à ces bouquins de roulette, vieux comme Hérode. Écoute, je suis Français, un vrai de vrai, et j'ai bouffé du jeu de roulette depuis plus de 35 ans. J'ai chez moi une bibliothèque de ces livres d'époque, des trucs que tu trouves plus nulle part.

Mais soyons clairs : la plupart de ces livres, c'est de la camelote. Les auteurs ? Des charlatans ou des arnaqueurs. Ils vendaient ça à prix d'or, profitant de la naïveté des gens. Et maintenant, avec l'ère de l'ordinateur, toutes ces méthodes sont bonnes pour la poubelle. Elles ne valent pas un clou.

Ces livres, c'était juste un moyen de faire cracher du fric aux pigeons. Aujourd'hui, avec un peu de jugeote et un ordinateur, tu comprends vite que ces méthodes sont dépassées, inefficaces. On s'est tous fait avoir à un moment ou à un autre, mais là, il faut ouvrir les yeux.

Donc, Asterix, merci pour le souvenir, mais franchement, ces livres, c'est de l'histoire ancienne, et pas la meilleure. On a évolué, le jeu a évolué, et s'accrocher à ces reliques, c'est juste se voiler la face.
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Asterix, we need to talk. You're bringing us back to these ancient roulette books. Listen, I'm as French as they come, and I've been immersed in roulette games for over 35 years. I've got a library of these old-time books at home, stuff you can't find anywhere else.

But let's be clear: most of these books are junk. The authors? Either charlatans or swindlers. They sold this stuff for a fortune, preying on people's naivety. And now, in the computer age, all these methods are just trash. They're worthless.

These books were just a way to milk money from suckers. Today, with a bit of common sense and a computer, you quickly realize that these methods are outdated, ineffective. We've all been duped at some point, but now it's time to open our eyes.

So, Asterix, thanks for the memory, but honestly, these books are ancient history, and not the good kind. We've moved on, the game has moved on, and clinging to these relics is just self-deception.






Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 29, 05:20 PM 2024
So now, i have try it, with 3 spin and compare it.
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Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Jan 29, 05:56 PM 2024
Quote from: roulettefanAsterix, we need to talk. You're bringing us back to these ancient roulette books. Listen, I'm as French as they come, and I've been immersed in roulette games for over 35 years. I've got a library of these old-time books at home, stuff you can't find anywhere else.

But let's be clear: most of these books are junk. The authors? Either charlatans or swindlers. They sold this stuff for a fortune, preying on people's naivety. And now, in the computer age, all these methods are just trash. They're worthless.

These books were just a way to milk money from suckers. Today, with a bit of common sense and a computer, you quickly realize that these methods are outdated, ineffective. We've all been duped at some point, but now it's time to open our eyes.

So, Asterix, thanks for the memory, but honestly, these books are ancient history, and not the good kind. We've moved on, the game has moved on, and clinging to these relics is just self-deception.

Hi my dear roulettefan! i answer you in english because here we are on English language forum.
yes of course you have the right to criticize his old books,here is sure, Théo on his era 1910, have should use his calculation knowledge, but this don't be can compare it, to calculation method from today, so yes of course on second time,on era of Blaise Pascal, create so roulette, this was a real chalenge for him and for others we have help im.

And no, nothing all olds book, coming from charlatans or scammers.So here with this rudimentary system on Figure or Pattern, yes today, everything has been forgotten, have you see any player play this old on pattern? i speak from today! I not. This is reason as i try it with 2019 year outcoming number.

And you also only mentioned titles of his old books. For example, what do you have in your famous book list "Roulette lexikon"?

or book, wo describe better Game day from Bad Homburg casino in 1870, wo Garcia have play?
Because today, is give so many variant on this, as we nothing real have knowledge on historical Progression.

I self as new book, i have "Thirteen again bank" but in the book self, don't are real specify, we crew have play his Unloos progression. Is say, or explain it, a men on Crew have win a bit more 19000 Francs, it explain, all member have start with 1-2-3-4 so with 5 Fr.and so as crew are 12 member, So if 6 crew member going play on same table, to play with all 6 chances, yes i self i have found, here it should play whithout security net, other to have change 90£ each, so become 1300Francs on this era 1963.So the lady from crew, was on 650 Fr.winning,and later see have should restart with 5 Fr..   
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Feb 03, 02:27 PM 2024
Well, while testing, I found something else interesting.

To win a series 8 or 10 or more. this appear only 1x per day, this is correct.
series 10 = 1/1024 chance to coming out, on 6 chances. So Series 8 = 1/256 chances to coming if this are R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R or by R-B-R-B-R-B-R-B as intermittences or Mix.

But this is alway correct.
But here only this old system makes it possible to manufacture many more series, than the conventional series, or the unconventional series.
Here for example if we wish to manufacture a series of 18 unconventional
Of course, here I'm not even talking to you about the basic chances that conventional series will occur. a series of
10 = 1/1024
11 = 1/2048
12= 1/4096
13 = 1/8192
etc... produce = also number of patterns of other possibilities.

Okay, so here as a Base, we already have the patterns of 2-3 and 4.
But the pattern of 2 only makes it 2*2 pattern or chances.
Either there is R-R or R-B or on the opposite side B-B or B-R.
So 9 * 2 = 18 pattern
or as there are 4 patterns with the 3 spins. = 6*4 = 24 patterns.

Because on 18 spins, already believing that we are going to win pattern 1, here it is better to bet then the conventional chances.
It's like intermittency, here you can also immediately remove it from your possibilities. But yes very sure, that there will be (R-R-B) (R-R-R) (R-B-R) (R-R-B) (R-B-B) (R-B-R). Or even including 1 * the zero.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Feb 03, 03:02 PM 2024
Now to talk about the old system of the English player Jagger, it's not even worth trying to start, since here he was a player, who yes had not cheated, him by controlling with his friends, he he had discovered that the roulette cylinder was imperfect, and so when over 1 month, he had noticed one or two numbers coming out 60 times, he played them at the tables, of course subsequently, the Monte casino -carlo, had tried to counter it, where they changed the cylinders, and modified a few small things. Jagger, lost at first after the changes, but he soon noticed the changes, or he just had to change tables, and then he won again... until he managed to break the bank of the Monte Carlo Casino.
As I have already mentioned, from the end of the 1990s to the beginning of the 2000s, all of its old cylinders were removed, and replaced with new ones, which no longer had any imperfections. So looking again in the roulette cylinder, to find imperfections, this is just a waste of time, even the casinos located in Argentina, or Brazil, or another all change this old cylinders.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Feb 05, 06:08 AM 2024
Hi, so i come back, with Jagger, i have say or write "it's not even worth trying to start" a thread or a answer about jagger, but here so this thread spoke about olds books and olds journal.
yes, i have found it a old article about jagger!!
From old french journal Journal de Guebwiller. dated from June 25. 1925.
The Alsace region, was hold many times from German country, so from 1870-1918, yes here we was give (so this should are statut from French président (nonono, not président, on this time was Napoleon III so French Emperor) and the winner from War Germany) to give Alsace and Moselle to Germany country, So Alsace region history, here in High Rhine,here give a amount another country, so as Swiss, Sweden (Allies from King of France)....
So this history to say, as you understand, in original writing was German language write.
but i have translate in English spoken language.

So title from Article in the journal or Daily news from Guebwiller in this era 1925:

Like "Bank la Monte Carlo was blown up"

QuoteThere is an entertaining book in London
with the title "Romans about Monte Carlo". It forms a
larger work, and its author is Charles Kingston, who works at Veterans!!.
Who knew the famous casino exactly and had been watching it for decades. Was able to collect a lot of material. One
The most interesting chapter in the book is that which talks about the people. who "broke the bank." There weren't many of them.
But the experiences of these few and the methods they used are of course extremely exciting. The two most famous bank breakers were both English. and Kingston was able to talk to them himself. The one of
Their name was Charles Wells. He came to Monte Carlo on a July day in 1897 with 4,000 pounds in his pocket, which represented the first entry in a series of forgeries committed in England. Nobody would have noticed this insignificant and uninteresting man. if his ordinary nature in speech and demeanor had not drawn attention to him. On the third afternoon. Since he played in the casino, the interest in him became stronger.
because he broke the bank no less than twelve times. It wasn't that big of an achievement, though. to break the bank.
writes Kingston in his book. as the mere communication of the fact that has happened suggests; this happened every time. if Wells won 100,000 francs. With a sum of this amount, the croupiers begin their day's work, and when the amount is used up, messengers are sent to the cashier. so that a new shipment can start again. All the guests in the casino became more and more interested in the lucky player. and British lords and Spanish grandees alike enjoyed it. to invite him to your festivities. He explained to them his system, which he described as infallible and which he claimed was based on mathematical calculations which he had discovered by chance while dealing with several experiences. In fact and in truth
However, only a phenomenal luck smiled on him, and this luck deserted him completely when he returned to Monte Carlo a year later on his ekg steam yacht. And then it wasn't long before he was transferred to "old-Baileh", the one in the city Seat of the London Central Criminal Court, sentenced to eight years in prison for forgery and fraud. He has Kingston admitted to him that in the first year he played for profit and loss, while the following year he played according to his "system"
went ahead and — lost. This is how the words of the bank's founder, the old François Blanc, came true: Whoever the bank today blows up, will be blown up by her again tomorrow.

So i self i have knowledge about Wells into jail, but i have only knowledge about it have lost why was too many people wo have him ask to play with his money.

But so, i understand more, as wells has play and blown up Bank from casino, yes it system by winning and lost, should are better as only Lost side.

And blancs words, yes is correct, because this game containt 50/50 chance on bet or in the Game,so one day are wining and one day is lost, so player should use or have 2 systems, one to wining side and another on lost side, so counter system. Or only play or bet, on day are wining side and d'ont Bet on day wo is opposite side we lost.

So now i follow with jagger history.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Feb 05, 06:46 AM 2024
QuoteThe mechanic Jaggers from Yorkshire was smarter than Wells. His system wasn't built on the rules about average like most others.
He used the only sensible method - this can now be betrayed without risk, because it is inapplicable today.

Jaggers was a skilled mechanic, and during the many years he dealt with the finest and most delicate machines
he had come to the conclusion that an imperfect man could not produce a perfect machine;
his discovery was now gone. that the roulette wheel has pivots. And when he came to Monte Carlo, he had six helpers write out all the numbers every day. who came out at the six gaming tables; then he analyzed the figures of these numbers, and five weeks later he had worked out his system. which aimed to base the game on the weakest point of roulette. The small irregularities on the cylinder helped him succeed. Although Jaggers only had a very small amount of capital at his disposal, he still played with his
Helpem almost constantly with luck. Four days of "work" earned him around £60,000. The casino's most skilled and reliable supervisors were called upon. and to monitor his game. but they could do nothing
discover; they explained. He doesn't use any of the systems known in the casino. They now closed. to change the roulettes. and
now Jaggers lost two-thirds of his winnings. But he soon figured it out. what had happened on the gaming machine, and now he recently won 70,000 pounds. If he had been able to continue in the same style for a year. so he would have ruined the casino. Meanwhile, the management of the gaming halls notified the roulette manufacturers. These manufacturers soon discovered Jagger's secret; on the grand scale of their considerations
they came to the conclusion. that it was possible. to work against the system.
that movable components were inserted between the numbers of the wheel. and they had the work done immediately. After Jaggers lost £5,000,
he saw. that he was overcome. But he was a clever man, and so he did not hesitate to move away from Monte Carlo with a profit of 65,000 pounds or 1,625,000 F.
It is claimed. After that, he never set foot in a gaming hall again.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Feb 05, 08:50 AM 2024
follow with another coming from journal or news.
To andrée Citroen, here is nothing say, if this was on Roulette game, or on Baccara, because Citroen, play all two game.

QuoteGeneral Ludendorff one day won 150,000 francs, but Sarah Bernhardt lost a million. André Citroen broke the bank three times in one evening.

And this coming from publish edition news "La rampe" from August 1.1934

Quoteat the bac table there are fewer entertainers. Mr. Citroën is content to pass, sighing, between the tables. He only plays mentally. Mrs. Citroën has a blond smile in her black dress.

Suddenly we wake up. An Austrian that no one knows, a Mr. Simon Salleis, suddenly plays a Banco of seventy notes. Mr. Louis Bréguet remains there. And naturally, once again fortune favors the bold, The unknown Austrian withdraws without a word a wad of banknotes to make jealous all those who gain nothing through the sweat of the brow, to justify all revolutions, have never hadn't seen that in a long time.

But the unknown Austrian did not stop there. he took twelve tickets won at baccarat and placed them on a number on the roulette table. Then he returned triumphantly to continue his happy streaks at the bac. While he was drawing nines, at roulette his twelve tickets had produced babies on their own by spontaneous generation or by automatism, and happiness never comes alone.

the proof, Mr. Rénier justified, that roulette is not an intelligent game is that it is in no way necessary to play it yourself to win. It's a machine.

The prettiest women immediately surrounded the unknown Austrian. But he ended up believing that the unknown Austrian did not like pretty women, because he did not choose any to share his happiness.

There are several ways to lose money at roulette: First there is the learned gentleman, who uses mathematics, "statistics, zero probability laws and a system which does not manage to have a winning number.

There is the jaded and the resourceful who, between
monstrous figures like stock market quotations, admits: Me. I always put it on red, I have a secret And there is the one who consults sleepwalkers and who got the wrong magnetic current. There is the one who, having them closed, sticks a pin in the little paper given to her, trusts in chance and loses again.

But the only truly sure way to win at roulette or at bacara is to play with other people's money.

We associate ourselves with a rich gentleman. He advances the bets. If we lose, you have nothing to do with it. If we win, we claim half of the profits, as an associate.

it is the sporting method used by all pretty women who are not used to providing for their own expenses.

What is not in the shade is the little Normandy sun. He competes unfairly at roulette. While the pretty women were innocently watching the arrival of the London-Deauville plane, this little sun distributed. tans on the nose. blows on the buttocks, blisters on the shoulders. And the society columnists, who had already announced "that the hale would do less this year were well caught.

But, out of spite, the society columnists began to learn how to play roulette.

...\shadow, naturally.

Maryse CHOISY.

And for André Citroen, his highness Aga Khan and Zographos the Greek, they of course, like André Citroen, had lost 15 million in one evening. They therefore played at private tables, where there was no betting limit.
Zographos had a rule, which he never broke, that of not playing for more than 2 hours, and in this period, he could win or lose. for him it played no role.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Feb 07, 10:42 AM 2024
oh wonderfull, i have found a book, about Tomas Garcia the Spaniard wo broke more time bank from the Blancs brothers casino in Bad-Homburg.
yes i would read it.

Don't forget, here the value of francs, was from year 1850, also old emperium Francs, because Napoleon III, has restore monarchy and his title to Emperor from France just 80 year after French Revolution from 1789.And after Napoleon I. First, was dead on Ste. Helen island.

QuoteGARCIA

IN FRONT

PUBLIC OPINION

By

LOUIS GERDEBAT

KNIGHT OF THE ROYAL ORDER OF ISABELLA THE CATHOLIC

PARIS
BOOKSTORE E. LACHAUD, PUBLISHER 4, PLACE DU THEATRE FRANCAIS,

1874

FOREWORD

In 1859, I had the honor of being introduced to Mr. Tomas Garcia Cortes, a Spanish nobleman, formerly famous in the spa towns of Germany and for whom the whole world had its day of admiration, by my excellent friend Andres Borrego, one of the most eminent people of Spain, not only as
politician, but also as a writer.

If today I am allowed to raise my voice
and to make a few words heard in favor of his
compatriot Garcia, to whom he also dedicated a friendship
sincere and deep, it is to him that I owe it; It is
thanks to notes that he kindly communicated to me
about our mutual friend, that I was able to write this short
but true pleading.

Through my personal reports and through interviews
that I had with Mr. Garcia, I was able to judge his honesty
honesty, his generosity, his modesty and his
profound disinterestedness. Also, I did not hesitate, a
single moment, to put before the eyes of the public the lines
following, which summarize the whole truth about this perfect
gentleman, on this good man.

Louis GERDEBAT.

GARCIA

IN FRONT

PUBLIC OPINION

The man whose defense we are undertaking has announced himself to the world in a resounding and even romantic manner.

At a fairly recent time, German newspapers,
reproduced by all organs of the European press,
were filled with articles that can be summarized with these words:
"A great emotion is occurring at the moment in
"the spa towns of Germany. A fearless man
"travels through all the banks in triumph and attracts
"the attention of everyone through boldness and loyalty
"of his game. The bank of Hombourg altered in his honor
"neur the rules of its institution and carried 12,000 francs
"at 60,000 francs the maximum bets. »

Shortly afterwards we read in the same newspapers:
"The Frankfurt public flocks to admire the
"courage and composure of Mr. Garcia. He just removed
"TWO MILLION in the bank in a few days.

We make this declaration for the interest of the said Garcia and we hope that it will be of all use to him.

Please accept, etc.

Signed: GIRONA et Cie. »

The banking house Jean Goll et fils, from Frankfurt, expresses itself as follows:
"We hereby certify that Mr. Tomas Garcia, of Ricla, has done considerable business with our company and that his conduct towards us has always, without exception, been perfectly
honest and loyal.

Frankfurt am Main, April 9, 1864.

Signed: Jean GOLL and son. »

One of the most honorable and solid houses of
bank of Paris, the house of Marcuard, André et fils, written to
Garcia:

" Sir,
a At your request and to pay homage to the truth, we acknowledge that you were accredited to us in 1858,
for a large sum by a very honorable banking house in Barcelona and that, from then until 1862, our account gave rise to considerable transactions in which you always showed yourself to be perfectly punctual and loyal.

Signed: MARCUARD, ANDRÉ and Cie.

Paris, September 12, 1864."

Finally, in his native city he enjoys general esteem and consideration. Let us let the mayor of this city have his say, who lists the land properties that Mr. Garcia owns there and the tax rate that he pays to the public treasury.

I, the undersigned, Don Pedro Romeo, mayor of the city of Ricla,
certifies that Tomas Garcia Cortès, native and domiciled in this city, is registered in the land register as the owner of sixteen houses
and eighteen rural properties, on which he pays taxes, by
year, the sum of two thousand piastres (10,600 francs), according to what results from the registers of the last year kept in the town hall.

And, so that the above facts are known to all, we deliver this present signed with the seal of the municipality.

Ricla, this February 20, 1863.

Signed: L'Alcade, PEDRO Ronmo. »

Don Benito Garcia, mayor of the city of Ricla, I certify that
Tomas Garcia Cortès, native and domiciled in this city, where he is an owner, observed a behavior during his long stay in this city And, for this reason, and by his loyal procedures, he obtained the esteem and sympathies of all the honest people of the country And, so that he can do it, see where it suits him, I am sending this certificate which I sign with the seal of the commune.

Ricla, this December 28, 1867.

"Signed: L'Alcade, BEnito GARCIA. »

Thus, in his hometown and in all the towns of Spain where he stayed, Garcia is known with honor. Very different from those adventurers whose past is hidden in mysterious darkness, his entire life is full of light.

Here begins the interesting part of Garcia's story:
young and favored by fortune, loving travel, he traveled through the various countries of Europe frequented by the elegant world. He successively visited France, Italy and England; he then explored the banks of the Rhine. At the sight of this series of enchanted palaces where worship is given to the god of chance, of these splendid open stock exchanges, all along the old historic river, to the moving speculation of the players, he feels irresistibly attracted towards this enchanting land.

Follow Garcia in this series of excursions in Germany
which all the European press talked about, explain all the
The victories he won would be almost epic.

Garcia went from success to success in all the banks
from Germany: from Homburg to Wiesbaden, from Wiesbaden
in Baden, it was only a series of triumphs.

The Hombourg bank, which was already the most powerful at the time, changed the rules of its institution in honor of Garcia, by raising its maximum stakes from 12,000 francs to 60,000 francs. This was the beginning of a real struggle between the bank and Garcia, who responded to this challenge by playing the maximum of 60,000 francs on each spin.

Mr. Garcia carried out, in a few days, against the bank of
Hombourg a net profit of two million francs.

Never, since the banks of Germany were established,
we had never seen such success. Until then it was a rare thing
that a bank blowing up was a phenomenon that happened once a year. Three days in a row, Mr. Garcia blew up the Homburg bank, which was the richest and strongest in all of Germany.

These successes, achieved so quickly, produce great emotion. Gathered in a general meeting, the bank's shareholders urgently vote for a capital increase.

The Frankfurt bankers and capitalists are playing up and down on stocks which, for the first time, are falling by 20% in a day. Mr. Blanc, the well-known capitalist and managing director, offers a payment of several millions, with which they are preparing to support the fight against Garcia.

This gigantic struggle was continued with perseverance and relentlessness. example. Garcia attacked the bank with great vigor, he played with notes
to order of the Banque de France for 12,000 francs, which
Mr. Blanc had sent from Paris expressly to facilitate
payments. The differences we made during the day
frightened even those who were not interested in it. THE
- Kursaal lounges were filled with thousands of people
coming from Frankfurt and all the other cities, where we meet
made an appointment to see Garcia play and admire his
cold blood. As for the shareholders, most of whom were
bankers, they abandoned their offices to go to the
Kursaal. They felt, for the first time, emotions
as if they had played themselves: moreover, they had
- for good reasons: the decline in stocks was accentuated
more and more.

It would be curious, as well as instructive, the story of all the incidents and adventures that happened in this all-out struggle with the bank. Let us cite just one fact: One day Garcia had been engaged against the bank for several hours. Luck turned against him at one point, so much so that he lost a very large sum and was close to succumbing. Suddenly Garcia leaves the salons; we believe he is gone, defeated, and the shareholders are rejoicing. It was just a clever move on his part:
he had gone to Frankfurt to ask for new reinforcements. He uses the telegraph with Paris. He receives 200,000 francs with which he returns to the charge. It was already dark when he arrived at the games room. At eleven o'clock they had to finish the games: at that time not only had Garcia recovered from his losses, but he had also won 600,000 francs!

The next day, Garcia attacked the bank very early. At noon there was nothing left of it, he had removed everything, and the fully liveried servants of the Kursaal walked behind him carrying away the bags of money which earlier belonged to the bank and of which Garcia had become the new owner. When he left the salons a large crowd was waiting for him and gave him an ovation.

So nop, nop, and new nop, the 1/3 and 2/3 bet, so we can read it, don't was he's betting progression.
He's use so as Bonaparte before him, has won in bad-Homburg, the flat full line, but with maximum betting limit autorised on table.
and here, i think, it was on a ascending or upwards series of + ecarts, and so reach more and more win.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Feb 08, 12:42 PM 2024
But here follows writed in book.
QuoteWhile these successes were taking place in Hombourg, Wiesbaden, jealous of her rival (Casino Bad-homburg), and wanting to attract the animated atraction which reigned in this city, suddenly raises the maximum of his bets. The newspapers pompously announce that the bank in Wiesbaden cannot blow up and that it will hold all the issues we want; it's a sort of challenge thrown to Garcia's head: this provocation should not remain without answer.

One day when we least expected it, Garcia fell to Kursaal of Wiesbaden with enormous capital and, in what a few hours, he broke the bank by removing 500,000 francs in a single session. At this news, an emotion extraordinary seizes the shareholders and a kind of pack occurs; they come running and strongly reproach the administration for having changed the conditions of the bank
thus throwing a reckless challenge to this formidable wrestler.

We want to keep the danger away at all costs; we talk with Garcia, we capitulate and peace is signed on conditions humiliating for the administration.

Garcia was then at the height of his reputation and his fortune. The thousand voices of the press spread his name in both worlds. Alas! by an irony of destiny, it was at the time when everyone called him Garcia the Invincible,that he must have succumbed!

aha,so the other story, who i have read, so 1 year later it come back, was false.
And this don't was in Casino from blancs in Bad-Homburg, but this from Baden-Baden.

And yes, here it don't would play in this Casino. Because table maximum limit don't was raise up, this was correct in story, but here the false history, say "of a woman eager to know the system he was playing", this is the false part of the story.

And Garcia, have a rules, this was don't play on casino, wo max limit table don't was raise up.

It was a Duke of Morny who was eager to see the casino bank blown. Who rushed Garcia to play, to make her blown up.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Feb 29, 10:55 AM 2024
new literature:
Here for the date, France was in full occupation by Germany and this newspapaper was under goebbels authorisation.
Quote9 Mai 1943

Pariser Zeitung

Seite 8 — Nr. 127

Zwei.Bankiers aus Bordeaux Gründen EUROPAS BERÜHMTE SPIELBANKEN

Ein Tatsachenbericht von
— Dr. Hans STEEN —

(translate)
May 9, 1943

Paris newspaper

Page 8 — No. 127

Two bankers from Bordeaux FOUNDED EUROPE'S FAMOUS GAME BANKS

A factual report from
—Dr. Hans STEEN —


Red and Black and Blanc Win.

ON March 11, 1837, Bordeaux had a sensation. which was lively discussed throughout the city.

The two brothers Louis and Francois Blanc were accused of using fraudulent means in stock market speculation to have gained profit. When the good citizens from Bordeaux go back and forth about the expected court hearings batted. This happened less because of the two defendants, but rather because no one could have a clear idea why the two bankers had used unfair means in their speculations. The Blancs had been known for a long time. It was known that the brothers' father had been a small tax collector. and that a stocking maker and a respectable shoemaker were godfathers at the twins' baptism. So they were people from humble beginnings. It seemed all the more respectable. that they had worked their way up very quickly and were conducting their banking business in Bordeaux mainly with legitimate speculation on the rise or fall of French pensions.

And this writing about history from bad homburg kuursal is wery long, i need several day to translate all. thnx, to waiting time.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Feb 29, 02:52 PM 2024
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QuoteThese papers were traded on the Paris stock exchange. So it was important for a banking business in the provinces. To find out about course changes as quickly as possible - a wide variety of resources were used for this purpose. Because there was no telephone or telegraph yet. Contracts were concluded with the windmillers, who at that time lived in large numbers on the flat land. that by opening or closing one of the mill windows they could pass on a message to the next mill, and in this way a message could travel across the country much faster than, say, the fastest horse mail. But the millers were often slow. They forgot to close the windows. So false news got through and the bankers suffered the loss. Man. So it was important to find secure and even faster communication: in 1834 there was now the so-called Télegraphie Aérien between Paris and Bordeaux, a signaling system that the Chappe brothers had invented.

And on the high masts there were transverse boards attached that conveyed a certain meaning. From height to height, officials observed the positions of the crossbeams with telescopes and adjusted their own apparatus accordingly, which was then read again from the next height. The lines were used exclusively to transmit state telegrams. A private person was not allowed to use them. The Blancs now bribed several of these officials to smuggle an "H" French (bull market) or a "B" for (bear market) into any telegram as well as the price of the Paris securities

This trick worked perfectly for years. Although the forwarding officer was sometimes wrong, he also omitted to do so now and then
  smuggling in the letters, but in general the two brothers were able to make considerable profits from their secret until one day one of the bribed officials felt remorseful and revealed everything. The result: an indictment by the public prosecutor against the two bankers. The court hearing was a sensation of the first order. The brothers defended themselves by saying that basically no one had been harmed and that no one had been deceived with false news. Obtaining the correct courses in itself was exceptional. but in the end the whole art of every banker is not done fraudulently. One could not infer a case of fraud from this, especially since Parisian banks also regularly used their own pigeon posts for the same purpose. The court agreed with this argument. Regardless, approximately 35 cases remained. However, these misconducts were judged to be quite minor by simply burdening the two accused with the legal costs. No actual punishment was imposed. The Blanc brothers escaped with a black eye.

They had saved their wealth of perhaps 200,000 francs and could now continue to operate with it. However, this was no longer possible in Bordeaux because the process had raised too much dust in the provincial town. Even before the unpleasant court hearing, the two Blancs had often been to Paris. They were passionate players and there were many public and private circles in Paris. In which the games were played long and at a very high level every evening.


the sketch of Prince Louis Bonaparte = Nephew of Emperor Napoleon IIII, therefore being from the Corsican Bonnaparte family, he also received money from his uncle Emperor, the Bonaparte family disinherited the brother of Emperor Napoleon IIII , just because he married a commoner, and Louis is the son that the brother had with the commoner.
And he was one of the players who shook the Bad-Homburg casino.

200,000 Frs = Gold Francs = 4-5€ for 1 Gold Francs of this era, so with 800,000 or 1000,000€ it is useless to tell you the property you can afford.

And for Garcia, the amount he won in Bad-Homburg = 800,000 Gold Francs. That is 4x the total amount that the Blanc brothers invested in the construction project.
Title: Re: Olds or or really old Books from Roulette game
Post by: Asterix on Mar 01, 11:50 AM 2024
QuoteThe roulette in PARIS

The playing tradition in Paris was very

old Even at the court of the Bourbon kings, games were played high and daringly. Liselotte von der Pfalz often complains in her letters. that her husband, the rather baseless brother Louis had his police minister Sartines take stricter action. Concessions were attached to the games of chance and generally only suffered from the so-called roulette, which was already a rotating one back then. Disc divided into black and red compartments onto which a ball was thrown from the side. Even though roulette is a purely random game, fraudulent manipulation is completely eliminated. Famous physicists like Pascal have carried out extensive research into the course of the roulette ball and it has been proven that no one can influence the course of the ball in its course, which is completely subject to chance. This roulette was spinning day in and day out on numerous beaches in the Old Palais Roval when Blanc's two brothers came to Paris. At that time there were all sorts of things going on in the former Richelieu palace leisurely people settled down. In addition to numerous cafés, there were drinking rooms and playrooms. The operators of the gambling games were licensed. In addition to the actual roulette, they usually also ran the "Trente et Quarante", in which two rows of cards win. which comes closest to the number 31, but without exceeding 40. This game only appeared in Paris around 1800 and was further developed. As the two brothers soon discovered, the owners of the casinos usually made a lot of money. The state collected large sums of taxes from its franchises, but it was common knowledge that King Louis Philippe did not appreciate the casinos and was concerned about this, as well as in England (Norman Leigh had reported in his book). It was not until 1960 that the first casino existed London) to ban open gambling. This is how it happened on New Year's Eve in 1837-1838, everyone who organized gambling had to close.

And yes it was on this year 1837-1838, wo etablishment should close, because, i have read a other French old book, wo was say 10 minute before 12o- clock the famous word speech on close "The 3 last"....
The book, should be are publish in the year 1840-1850...

And a other old player, who have write about monte carlo "Sextius", he 1870 have mentionned, the train voyage from Paris to Monte-carlo, need 32 hours. So if you have seen old Movie wo Indian and Cow-Boy have make hold up with voyager in train, yes was very slow. should not more make as 5or 10 K/h.