Advantage-play......this is too funny

[iggiv]

Kelly, is there some material online where to read about criteria of "standard deviation" and levels beyond it? thanx

[kelly]

I just use laurances software for the analysis, which works like a charm.




Try google SD in relationship with bias or roulette.

[iggiv]

thanx

[MrJ]

Аdvantage play is not a myth, Ken. I don't understand what is your point. Advantage play is based on certain physical properties of the wheel, what's wrong with that? There is nothing to argue about.
The only thing is that it is very hard. It is much easier to pick certain numbers and play them.

There seems to be two different subjects going on at once. On THIS thread, my point has to do with.....do you need past results in order to bet with Advantage-play? (gamblers fallacy and the CHANGING definitions of gamblers fallacy to suit one's needs)

If you want to start your OWN thread on a DIFFERENT subject in regards to Advantage-play, be my guest.

Ken

[iggiv]

(Ken,  i am sorry if i was out of line here. Honestly i hardly understand all this "cough" at Advantage-play .
What these guys say -- makes PERFECT sense. It is just what they do is very hard to. Especially being online and having tight schedule and no casinos around close by)


Past numbers in advantage play are used totally different. Either they are used in long numbers of them (to make statistics on a long run), or to count pockets as Kelly said, or just as a confirmation of a
wheel defect, combined maybe with other PHYSICAL  conditions.

What is meant by term "gambler fallacy" is usually "if such and such numbers came up now (say within  1 to 100 spins usually), such and such numbers have to come soon" -- and this is without looking at wheel physical conditions or what numbers came up within last 2000 or 5000 spins.
Also "gambler fallacy" is usually used on any wheel u chose (not like advantage play where they
frequently reject many wheels to play when they see unplayable conditions).

That's how i understand it. The approach is very different in nature. Mixing one with another does not make sense.

[iggiv]

and by the way u yourself may use AP elements even without thinking about it. When u play most repeated recent numbers there is some slight possibility that under these very certain physical  conditions these numbers became temp biased.

Thats what Franc Scoblete suggests. Look at the wheel last spins and if u see something that looks like it can be biased right now,  maybe it  really is (or maybe not), so take your chances. U may have some luck or u may even hit a bias sometimes.

[MrJ]

"Past numbers in advantage play are used totally different" >>> Yes I agree and said so in this thread (somewhere). It does NOT erase the fact that they *ARE* used, regardless of WHY.

"What these guys say -- makes PERFECT sense" >>> What these guys have in front of them is great in THEORY, looks good on paper, nothing more.

Ken

[MrJ]

and by the way u yourself may use Advantage-play elements even without thinking about it. When u play most repeated recent numbers there is some slight possibility that under these very certain physical  conditions these numbers became temp biased.

that's what Franc Scoblete suggests. Look at the wheel last spins and if u see something that looks like it can be biased right now,  maybe it  really is (or maybe not), so take your chances. U may have some luck or u may even hit a bias sometimes.

I've already done a thread on this subject. Yes, it is possible.....lets say I'm betting on the section with the most hits, its the 4-23-35-14 section (00 wheel). Lets also say, that section has a SLIGHT bias and I'm getting some pretty good wins along the way. Why would I care what the reason is for winning? Do I need to give it a TITLE of 'bias'? Winning is winning regardless of why. If certain numbers are hitting more than they should, I don't care why, just as long as my wallet is getting stuffed.

Ken

[iggiv]

now imagine yourself finding such numbers  hitting consistently say on 20-30 wheels through some US region and playing on them making on one of them 2k couple of times a week. You'll visit each of them once 2 or 3 months.

that could be something what our AP guys are talking about.

[MrJ]

now imagine yourself finding such numbers  hitting consistently say on 20-30 wheels through some US region and playing on them making on one of them 2k couple of times a week. You'll visit each of them once 2 or 3 months.

that could be something what our Advantage-play guys are talking about.

For starters, I make (net) 2K a couple times a week without Advantage-play. Second, are the bulls**t facts they don't talk about much. The U.S. is a big country and not every city/state has a casino. So all these visits BACK to the casino (as you said) are quite costly on gas and hotel. That would not be an issue if you KNEW the wheel was not repaired/replaced at 6am.

You won't hear the stories of the Advantage-play guy going back to such-n-such casino and the wheel they THOUGHT was bias.......is now fixed. ooops, they lost 5K betting on a section and guess what? Its time to get back into the car and head home for that Monday morning job they hate so much.


Ken

[iggiv]

congrats, i could not imagine u win on such a big scale. Well i am not AP guy, so there is not much i can talk about

[MrJ]

 I only bet 2-3 numbers and use high unit sizes. 2K is nice but not a big deal.

Ken

[kelly]

How come you can net 2K X 2 a week with a strategy that no one can get in profit using real spins in a test ?  Remember only 18 months ago you were playing sleepers and also winning.  (you write 4.5 years and still counting  in your signature). When confronted, you say you changed to hot numbers because of  heavy losses on sleepers (what happened to 4.5 years has it changed to 18 months  ?)


18 month x 4 = 72 x 4 = 288.000 $ in profit.


You are a bullshitter ken.   

[iggiv]

when i read Ken telling that i think he may have a gift to be naturally lucky. It is possible too. As much as i know such things did happen in human history. What sense does it make just to bluntly lie? It does not put money into his pocket.

[MrJ]

How come you can net 2K X 2 a week with a strategy that no one can get in profit using real spins in a test ?  Remember only 18 months ago you were playing sleepers and also winning.  (you write 4.5 years and still counting  in your signature). When confronted, you say you changed to hot numbers because of  heavy losses on sleepers (what happened to 4.5 years has it changed to 18 months  ?)


18 month x 4 = 72 x 4 = 288.000 $ in profit.


You are a bullshitter ken.

I respect your opinion, no problem. You sure sound like someone else I know. I've answered this ALREADY and I'm sure you'll ask it again in a couple months. When a person CHANGES how they play, I have never heard of it being done over night, have you? I slowly switched from sleepers to hot, like I said, it was not over night.

My net winning days for sleepers was quite high, I mean REAL NICE but as months went by, the wins were coming less and less so I dropped the sleeper methods. Another thing you did NOT mention is TOTAL time playing roulette. You only mentioned the last 4.5 years. I have been playing for around 11 years (est.)

I still remember the MAIN reason (not the only reason) for quitting sleepers. I was betting only one number, with a 120 step progression. I would play the furthest back unhit.

If I recall, the number was not hit in over 250 spins PLUS the 120 step progression. It STILL did not hit in over 370 spins, I lost around $3,600. I left so I have no clue when it did hit. That's when I decided to check into other TYPES of betting. Testing first of course and then slowly into the casino (hot numbers). So far (knock on wood) I love it. Whether its hot number(s) or a hot section, its what I presently enjoy. Bulls**t hey? I make more than you do Kelly, you can think about that as you are driving 280 miles to the NEXT casino.

Ken