Random Thoughts

[falkor2k15]

Does the clash here appears because we have a possibility of betting both black and red. What if we tie our hands that we cannot bet black and we can bet only red. Does this clash happen. Does this handicap situation of betting only one colour makes this theorem more workable from a VdW perspective. Does this handicap really a handicap or is it a boon in some form making us lose less? 
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15938.255 (page 18 )

Perhaps this is a reference to Priyanka using VdW only on wins?

[falkor2k15]

I tried playing VdW on wins/losses, but I broke even each time:

[falkor2k15]

Hmm... I found one way to make that data +18 instead of 0 using VdW!  This could be it!!

It could just be curve fitting, but I better not reveal it just yet... let me do more testing...

[falkor2k15]

Nah, none of this VdW stuff is working for me in the long run... I'll share my ideas anyway as it failed:

When you look to complete the AP there can be a gap of 0, 1, 2 or 3 between the integers used to form the AP, so I just bet when there was a gap of 2:
1,4,7 and 2,5,9
Here it made +18, but it was just a fluke...

[falkor2k15]

Sorry, correction (not enough time to edit post before it becomes locked):
1,4,7 and 2,5,8 and 3,6,9 (those all have a gap of 2)

[falkor2k15]

BTW, it's worth mentioning that Priyanka's Quads system seems rubbish: it performs very poorly when betting every spin (see attached), so I can only assume it's been tweaked to work specifically with a Non-Random scheme.
link:s://:.sendspace.com/file/zkmvt6
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[rrbb]

Falkor,

What is the purpose of all this???

I will make a prediction: after years of testing and millions of posts like these you will conclude it can not be done. my proposal would be to accept that this is extremely difficult, if possible at all.

Again: you will NOT find it by blindly trying.

[falkor2k15]

rrbb, aren't you the one who said that Priyanka might be using VdW on wins/losses, hence my recent experiments - guided by you? 

[rrbb]

rrbb, aren't you the one who said that Priyanka might be using VdW on wins/losses, hence my recent experiments - guided by you? 

I said spend some time on it, not trying every system in the world with VdW and posting why it will not work. You had this great conversation with Priyanka at the start of this thread. She did explain why it will not work as it is. Something else is needed. Otherwise, forget it. And no, you will never find it by chance!

Check out the video that RayManZ analyzed. Well actually you do not need to as he wrote down all the spins etc. Work with this for a couple of week, Priyanka even gave a nice spreadsheet, why not add the numbers of RayManZ in it? Print it out, and spend a weekend in the sun glazing over it: use RayManZ analysis and try to understand what happens, use a remark I made and see what comes of it.

i will guarantee you that you will find a possible way of using VdW. In doing so, you might also see what she is actually trying to convey. It is NOT a system, it is a mindset.

good luck!

By the way simulations are OK to gain insights and stuff

[falkor2k15]

rrbb, I've already analysed Priyanka's Quads video in detail, but it seems impossible to reverse-engineer since there's no pattern - and you did say we will never find it by chance? I can't see how VdW is being used on it's own and I certainly can't see what it's paired up with - particularly if we are looking for another Non-Random strategy to go hand-in-hand with VdW. Since there is no pattern to what Priyanka is doing - and Non-Random theorems are not easy to come by (we only know less than a handful) - how can gazing at her sessions figure out the missing play elements? For example, at the beginning she just waited for the end of a cycle and then started betting without waiting for an AP to form. One time she just started betting in the middle of a cycle. She may know how to beat the game, but I don't think she's given sufficient clues. She began by posting about VdW but all her videos looks nothing remotely like VdW. You think she's been more than generous, but perhaps you are both deluded in thinking that we can reach the same conclusions as you by the insufficient information provided? If I am wrong then I apologise, but there's nothing obvious to any of this.. it's like trying to figure out the Galaxy chocolate recipe just from eating it and telling me it tastes chocolaty and creamy...

Sometimes you feel gutted to see the work that you have done is not getting anywhere and when people fail to see the obvious. One of my friends said to me are people lazy?

[rrbb]

rrbb, I've already analysed Priyanka's Quads video in detail, but it seems impossible to reverse-engineer since there's no pattern - and you did say we will never find it by chance? I can't see how VdW is being used on it's own and I certainly can't see what it's paired up with - particularly if we are looking for another Non-Random strategy to go hand-in-hand with VdW. Since there is no pattern to what Priyanka is doing - and Non-Random theorems are not easy to come by (we only know less than a handful) - how can gazing at her sessions figure out the missing play elements? For example, at the beginning she just waited for the end of a cycle and then started betting without waiting for an AP to form. One time she just started betting in the middle of a cycle. She may know how to beat the game, but I don't think she's given sufficient clues. She began by posting about VdW but all her videos looks nothing remotely like VdW. You think she's been more than generous, but perhaps you are both deluded in thinking that we can reach the same conclusions as you by the insufficient information provided? If I am wrong then I apologise, but there's nothing obvious to any of this.. it's like trying to figure out the Galaxy chocolate recipe just from eating it and telling me it tastes chocolaty and creamy...

Look better. It's there! Thats all i can say. Again, use the data and analysis of RayManZ.

You make a crucial thinking mistake: why dou you assume Priyanka uses VdW in numbers or wins? What other "numbers" are there? What did i propose to RayManZ???

[MoneyT101]

numbers in the cycles

You might want to add the number of unique numbers in the cycles. The betting scheme in the last section of your reversed engineered work then also becomes clear: "suddenly" a new bet is added... and a part of the "earlier" bet (consisting of two parts) also changed "suddenly"

As for the "bets" that make no sense: I did not look at the video (too much detail ;-)) but my guess is that some minor things got lost in translation.

Again impressive work RayManZ!

This is what was recommended....

Lost by this comment "the number of Unique numbers in a cycle?"  does that mean individual numbers not groups?

[falkor2k15]

Look better. It's there! Thats all i can say. Again, use the data and analysis of RayManZ.

You make a crucial thinking mistake: why dou you assume Priyanka uses VdW in numbers or wins? What other "numbers" are there? What did i propose to RayManZ???

You suggested VdW on wins before since you argued that W/L has 2 values like R and B (and it was in the same discussion over RayManZ's analysis of the Quads video)...

To RayManZ you proposed to count the number of "uniques" in the cycle, i.e. the Cycle Length minus the repeater, perhaps, so we are left with 1, 2 or 3 uniques per cycle since those cycles of length 1 are ignored.

[rrbb]

You suggested VdW on wins before since you argued that W/L has 2 values like R and B (and it was in the same discussion over RayManZ's analysis of the Quads video)...

To RayManZ you proposed to count the number of "uniques" in the cycle, i.e. the Cycle Length minus the repeater, perhaps, so we are left with 1, 2 or 3 uniques per cycle since those cycles of length 1 are ignored.

Hi falkor,

I did not suggest to use VdW on wins and losses! I just mentioned one could do that. VdW is extremely versatile: one could use it on number partitions (like high/lows), length of cycles, wins/losses, you name it.

And concerning rayman: i think i said more: rayman noticed priyanka did not bet on cycles of length one. I mentioned something along the line that betting on 4 unique quads doesn't make sense. How many "lengths" are than left to bet on?

[rrbb]

This is what was recommended....

Lost by this comment "the number of Unique numbers in a cycle?"  does that mean individual numbers not groups?

Download the excel of priyanka: the wuestion to your answer is right there