BP ????=BULLET PROOF/not banker/player/....LoL
Have hundreds of excel sheets of this bet....and am not showing you any/you may get heart attack/
don't believe it is true,or even may think it is fabricated...therefore session over 300 spins/only one/from
last night Wiesbaden.Why Ibobas...cause it was developed under its name long ago.
And you shouldn't look any further.....
btw--only for Enprison table or BV
hi, everything is clear, just one question in your excel i see
1 un.----------up/down
3 un.----------up/down
5 un.----------up/down
7 un.----------up/down
9 un.----------up/down
but you bet 4, 6 etc. How you calculate how much to bet next cycle?
also on BV you cant bet all even chances on same time
Thanks again
Quote from: biagle on Aug 26, 02:24 PM 2013
hi, everything is clear, just one question in your excel i see
1 un.----------up/down
3 un.----------up/down
5 un.----------up/down
7 un.----------up/down
9 un.----------up/down
but you bet 4, 6 etc. How you calculate how much to bet next cycle?
also on BV you can't bet all even chances on same time
Thanks again
---if you were 3 down...and you lose 3 again,that would be 6 next....if lost 1 that would be 4 next bet.......i think you can bet all 6 lines if they are not same amount..or am i wrong.
Quote from: teo on Aug 26, 03:11 PM 2013
i think you can bet all 6 lines if they are not same amount..or am i wrong.
no, you can't
then you bet diff.only one side...that's actually how its done...did show it in excel
to be better understood...in other words if you due bet 5 on red 2 on black....
instead you will bet 3 on red....and so on...thats why is call differential bet...
except that staking here differs from D'Alembert 1+1-.....as thatway you will
never really come on top on both sides.
ok thanks again, i will try to play this on excel
Quote from: biagle on Aug 26, 03:30 PM 2013
no, you can't
then you bet diff.only one side...that's actually how its done...did show it in excel
to be better understood...in other words if you due bet 5 on red 2 on black....
instead you will bet 3 on red....and so on...that's why is call differential bet...
except that staking here differs from D'Alembert 1+1-.....as thatway you will
never really come on top on both sides.
FLATman
He has thrown down the gauntlet, challenged you to a duel and kicked your dog. Will you stand for this?? Will you prove him wrong?
Stay tuned, boys and girls, for the next exciting episode. Now go drink your Ovaltine!!
Sam
this was forum bug he somehow write with my nick lol:)
Quote from: biagle on Aug 26, 04:33 PM 2013
this was forum bug he somehow write with my nick LoL:)
so you are flatino, Biagle...lol...even I didnt guess that one
Will the real Iboba please stand up! ;D
Quote from: Turner on Aug 26, 06:38 PM 2013
so you are F_LAT_INO, Biagle...LoL...even I didn't guess that one
no im not.
forum admin can check it
am afraid on zero tables wouldn't workI love it I.B.
It seems to do well on BV no-zero.
Are you saying it loses on straight single zero or double zero table? :'(
Have you tested it with 1-2-3-4-5 instead of 1-3-5-7-9? Still 9 spin attacks, but 5 vs 4 =1, 6 vs 3 = 2, 7 vs 2 = 3, 8 vs 1 = 4 and 9 vs 0 = 5?
Just to keep the bets a little lower for us poor folks.
GLC
I have ala D'Alembert.....but there is catch 22 there.....for instance you lose several cycles 3,5,3,7....and now you win same amonunt of cycles,but 1,1,1,1......and actually you level
the cycles but didn't level the chips nor come on top.....Thisway I find it very effective,as we know
there is strikes on zig/zag basis...and very quick recovery...recommended target of 50/60 chips,
then return later...works swell.....even when/if you fail on one EC...the other 2 cover it up...do some test and you will see.
You will see how long this will last...assure you some of you won't be here before it hit the wall.
Hope you take it with you...you never know......
last night Wiesbaden....
he can write with our nicks:) now glc
zig/zag...... :-X :-X
btw,so far in 3 sessions=590+targeting 50un.on each EC.
can you please check im doing this right or not? red black only for now.
Session 4----won 210.......overall 800+
Quote from: biagle on Aug 29, 08:15 AM 2013
can you please check I'm doing this right or not? red black only for now.
All ok....except that you were 82 + in spin 146,and could/should have call it a day.
Do some close studies why this wins...and you may come to some surprising conclusions.
i'm trying. tomorrow i will try to upload my 3 sessions
Grrrr I just cant get this one into my head! its a differential bet which I love--just cant grasp it yet!!!!GRRRRRRRRRR
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 29, 12:26 PM 2013
Grrrr I just can't get this one into my head! its a differential bet which I love--just can't grasp it yet!!!!GRRRRRRRRRR
Simple mate,
After any 9 spin cycle rise or reduce as much as you W or L....gradually you build each side on zig/zag basis,and throughout the session you inevitably come into situation where one side is in plus,the other
in rather larger minus,and just wait losing side to wake up.......which always do and you come to your
target.....otherwise it wouldn't be random.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 29, 12:26 PM 2013
Grrrr I just can't get this one into my head! its a differential bet which I love--just can't grasp it yet!!!!GRRRRRRRRRR
Tom, here's how I see it. We bet both sides of all three e.c's. We flat bet for 9 spins. At the end of the 9 spins we determine how we did. Let's say Red hit 4 times and Black hit 5 times. Since Black won we reduce it's bet size by 1 unless we're at 1 unit already. On the losing side, Red, we increase our bet size by the difference from the winning side. In this case it's 5 - 4 = 1. So, Red goes to our current bet size (1) plus 1 = 2 units. This means that for the next 9 spins we will be betting 2 on Red and 1 on Black. Or differentially, 1 on Red.
Let's say in our next 9 spins Red hits 7 times and Black only 2 times. 7-2=5 so we increase our bet on Black by 5 meaning we will be betting 6 units on Black. Red hit 2 times, so we would reduce our bet size on Red by 5 except that we can't go below 1 so we just bet 1 on Red and 6 on Black. Or differentially, 5 on Black. We bet 5 on B and 1 on R for the next 9 spins and then adjust depending on how each side did.
We subtract the losing side from the winning side and increase the losing side by that amount and we decrease the winning side by that amount. You'll notice that 5-4=1, 6-3=3, 7-2=5, 8-1=7, 9-0=9. That's how we determine the amount to increase and decrease for each side.
We do this for all 3 even chances each 9 spins. The bet sizes can get a little large but with enough bankroll and time to play about 300 spins on a non zero wheel or a single zero with en-prison Flat is saying that it's basically invincible.
That's the gist of it as I see it.
and this idea gave me a new thought--LoL
Shout it out...maybe George&me get another new thought..one never knows...and
btw,don't expect not to hit the wall sometimes...but as old propeth 2CS,say,the end of the month
counts,or year.
ok, don't play this thing with low br:) was down about ~500-700units, recovered, session ended about ~160units+
Without a sufficient BR nobody shouldn't even start to play this game.
And btw.....you can hardly see/1/100/2 EC lossing in same session.
Session 5 won129+......even thought one EC lost 22 un.---overall 929+
today 3 playable sessions/probably due to German ppl.finished holidays/
Session 6--won 247+-------overall 1176+
Session 7----finally loss of 3 un
RED/BLACK lost 119 un....but other 2 EC won 116 un.
In over 200 sessions test/few years back/only seen once 2 EC lossing in same session.
~300 spins total -465 units on all ec's
anyone can verify my numbers:
Tisch: T3
Datum: 2012-01-01
another one ~-300 units
didn't finished O/E, because from WL i see what it too going down.
I'm done:)
Spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen
Eine Veröffentlichung oder Ver-
vielfältigung ohne schriftliche
Genehmigung dieser Daten ist
nicht gestattet.
Tisch: T3
Datum: 2012-01-02
Quote from: biagle on Aug 31, 08:28 AM 2013
~300 spins total -465 units on all ECs
anyone can verify my numbers:
Tisch: T3
Datum: 2012-01-01
It appears on line 75 your score for black/red and odd/even are both over +50. You would have stopped there for these 2 ECs. On line 129 and again on line 138 your high/low total was +49. Since you already were up +100 with only 1 EC remaining, it wouldn't have made sense to continue for +1 for another 100+ spins. Regardless, if you played it to the end, you would have been at 0. +50 for black/red, +50 for odd/even and -100 for high/low.
I've had exceptional results with this strategy .... many thanks.
Quote from: biagle on Aug 31, 09:11 AM 2013
another one ~-300 units
didn't finished O/E, because from WL i see what it too going down.
I'm done:)
Spielbank Wiesbaden Permanenzen
Eine Veröffentlichung oder Ver-
vielfältigung ohne schriftliche
Genehmigung dieser Daten ist
nicht gestattet.
Tisch: T3
Datum: 2012-01-02
At line 138 on black/red you're at +54. You would have stopped here.
At line 192 on high/low you're at +62. You would have stopped here.
You didn't finish you're odd/even breakdown and I don't have time to check it. But, worst case, if it lost you would have broken even (give or take a few units).
Quote from: Wally Gator on Aug 31, 09:18 AM 2013
It appears on line 75 your score for black/red and odd/even are both over +50. You would have stopped there for these 2 ECs. On line 129 and again on line 138 your high/low total was +49. Since you already were up +100 with only 1 EC remaining, it wouldn't have made sense to continue for +1 for another 100+ spins. Regardless, if you played it to the end, you would have been at 0. +50 for black/red, +50 for odd/even and -100 for high/low.
I've had exceptional results with this strategy .... many thanks.
i played as flat introduced. 50+ on both sides.
My understanding was +50 per EC. Maybe I've got it wrong.
Quote from: biagle on Aug 31, 09:41 AM 2013
i played as flat introduced. 50+ on both sides.
The target is 50 units per EC, only one side
Well done
This is really hard to track........does anyone else find this?? :ooh:
it is easy, maybe on fast live wheel it is harder, but posible
ok, playing for 50u
r/b +52
h/l +61
o/e -197
AND SUCH SESSION YOU WIL HAVE ABOUT 1/10.....not hard to calculate...if you looking
for a method that wins every session,then you better stop looking....doesn't exist.
Quote from: biagle on Sep 02, 05:29 AM 2013
ok, playing for 50u
r/b +52
h/l +61
o/e -197
I would stop o/e at -100 u.
not possible to win at this mothod with 100u stop loss
Quote from: biagle on Sep 02, 11:19 AM 2013
not possible to win at this mothod with 100u stop-loss
You mean you had 100 u drawdown on r/b and l/h too and you recovered?
Returned today from 5 days poker tournament in Bregenz--Austria/Bodensea/lake---so just to
answer....50 un+ on 2 EC together...another important thing.....zeros should be completely excluded from the cycles as that way you only have 8 spins.....Recommend Bregenz,casino Austria,city that
lays in 3 diff.countries/Austria,Germany,Switz/on beautiful lake...casinoo with every night poker tournaments......actually went to play En prison roulette,but met old friend there who talk me into playing poker.....much easier then roulette.
--As WG pointed out...it is how it is played......lossing 3 EC in a session,as presented here,it is just impossible.....even 2 EC lost only once in more then 100 session tested....it happens lossing 1 EC
now and again...but it doesn't affect your long run success.
Quote from: teo on Sep 04, 12:14 PM 2013
Returned today from 5 days poker tournament in Bregenz--Austria/Bodensea/lake---so just to
answer....50 un+ on 2 EC together...another important thing.....zeros should be completely excluded from the cycles as that way you only have 8 spins.....Recommend Bregenz,casino Austria,city that
lays in 3 diff.countries/Austria,Germany,Switz/on beautiful lake...casino with every night poker tournaments......actually went to play En prison roulette,but met old friend there who talk me into playing poker.....much easier then roulette.
--As WG pointed out...it is how it is played......losing 3 EC in a session,as presented here,it is just impossible.....even 2 EC lost only once in more then 100 session tested....it happens losing 1 EC
now and again...but it doesn't affect your long run success.
And here is a session from last night,clearing up how to propely play this.
:-X :-X :-X :-X...no more and have a fun.
Hello teo,
what is the worst drawdown you faced on a single EC? What bankroll you recommend?
Thank you
I really don't recommend anything....as me play without any BR limits...until win the target,or lose
BR on specific EC........but 2 other EC wins....you could be either 50+ or 50-
This does look pretty decent but I'm having hard time tracking and doing the maths tracking each even chance. Has anyone else found this? Are any of the 'tracker experts' interested in this and making a tracker? :question:
Decent ????? It is BP as titled....one of the rares that wins on the long run....but my way,not yours.
And if you not prepared to invest,don't even try it...You can't become a winner with a limited BR.--
hi, teo, what do you think playing this on baccarat as i just started looking in this game
short session from dublin
Hi. I have some questions...
1-Do you play both sides of each EC? Or only the diferential?
2-What is the stop loss you use?
3-Is there a tracker for this?
Quote from: vladir on Oct 23, 09:33 AM 2013
Hi. I have some questions...
1-Do you play both sides of each EC? Or only the diferential?
2-What is the stop-loss you use?
3-Is there a tracker for this?
1. only diferential, if R bet is 5, B is 4 i bet 1 on R
2. i dont have this one
3. excel.exe it is easy to track manual
I would like any of you make a tracker to play at 6 EC at a time. I think it would be more useful than manually.
Thank you. :)
guys, can you recomend online casino with live dealer and no zero roulette?
Thanks in advance and apologies that is not on the topic.
hi, anybody playing this?
4 last sessions:
184 units+
165 units+
207 units+
147 units+
sounds amazing, but I'm playing with 0.05:) because dont have bankroll for larger chips
Hi Can anyone tell me is this tracker fine to track the results?
I did some basic tests and looks fine. Would be happy if someone confirms the same.
But I observed that in BV you cannot spin the wheel if you place bet on both Red and Black (European Wheel)
-You don't bet both,but differential,on one side.....it is only showed in excel as such for easier
understanding.
Quote from: teo on Nov 20, 12:57 PM 2013
-You don't bet both,but differential,on one side.....it is only showed in excel as such for easier
understanding.
Yes , I do the same. Ill try to come up with another tracker where it shows which one to bet deferentially. But for now in this tracker I take the differential by deducting the larger bet with smaller bet.
Hope the tracker is fine.
Btw--if you after regular win,make sure you secure quite large BR to win every playing session.
Quote from: just10minutes on Nov 19, 03:28 PM 2013
Hi Can anyone tell me is this tracker fine to track the results?
I did some basic tests and looks fine. Would be happy if someone confirms the same.
But I observed that in BV you cannot spin the wheel if you place bet on both Red and Black (European Wheel)
thanks for tracker! Very usefull!
Quote from: marivo on Nov 22, 04:03 PM 2013
thanks for tracker! Very useful!
Im glad it is being tried by someone :)
@marivo please let me know if you find some discrepancy on the sheet
thanks for the tracker ...but are you sure its giving the right amounts...ie money won and lost?...i,m using it for the basics..but the amounts don,t add up in win/loss registry
ok after reading through it all and results i had nicksmi make it for the bot,,its really for no zero but can be used for zero table but zero is used as an ec........see what u think..u can copy and paste numbers in there too
just a quick note...don,t play with real money until you have tested this...its not as good as what its made out to be
Quote from: 6th-sense on Nov 23, 02:12 PM 2013
thanks for the tracker ...but are you sure its giving the right amounts...ie money won and lost?...I'm using it for the basics..but the amounts don't add up in win/loss registry
Money won/lost will be the difference between red/blk as we are not betting both the sides at a time.
I think it should be proper when you combine all the results and compare with balance in the account.
If you have observed something wrong please let me know.
Thanks
its ok...its all in the sheet i uploaded....running balance etc
Quote from: 6th-sense on Nov 25, 10:15 AM 2013
just a quick note...don't play with real money until you have tested this...its not as good as what its made out to be
yes, had 2k drawdown
i didn,t think it would go that far down on that sheet was that over a few sessions...i got nick to change it slightly to alternate the bets ..ie to bet the dominant ...then the non dominant every 9 spin cycle using the same differential amounts ..again for the bot if you want that....i like the idea of the 9 cycle spin and am just looking into something i got an idea on
6th gets ideas quicker than a dog gets fleas in a dirty kennel.
^-^
Samster
Quote from: 6th-sense on Nov 25, 02:54 PM 2013
i didn,t think it would go that far down on that sheet was that over a few sessions...i got nick to change it slightly to alternate the bets ..ie to bet the dominant ...then the non dominant every 9 spin cycle using the same differential amounts ..again for the bot if you want that....i like the idea of the 9 cycle spin and am just looking into something i got an idea on
thank you for your share, when i was playing wanted to bet on dominant side to:) can you upload modified version of tracker?
if no - no problem
thanks
its not just dominant but alternates from dominant to not dominant each 9 cycle spin...don,t think much of this too...but here you go...
Quote from: teo on Aug 26, 01:34 PM 2013
And you shouldn't look any further.....
<sight>
vundarosa
ok my last shot at playing about with this sheet,,,,i liked the idea of the tracker so when we get the results at the end of each 9 cycle spin...ie low red even...i will bet against all reds ...all evens ..in that low side...same for all other combinations...the actual system loses but controlled with the bot with profit of 1...stoploss 100...up 1 on a loss and reset on new high..seems to be holding its own..it bets 9 straight high bets before main betting starts so if you are in plus a unit with profit set at 1 it,ll start over again... .again made by nicksmi who has done another great job...as always i pay for these sheets but are free for all ..and as always works in stefs bot enjoy
Thank you!
As far as I recall it......50+ on any EC and call it a day......your main problem in testing is cause you
expect trillions spins winning in continuation---this is roulette guys and it should be treat as such...
Some of you will never learn...that's why most are losers....Amen
not really...each ec doesn't win 50...it does win some units for a while but loses a lot ..that.s not over millions of spins either...it can tank straight away...so your suggesting hit and run.....doesn't work and you should know better....this system wasn,t tested properly but the sheet does it all for you...losers i think not...system i think yes...no point in passing the buck...it doesn't work full stop...that's not from a loser but from me....and all others who have tried it...chin up....looks good from far...but is really far from good...and as i recall you said it wins long term did you not :-\
I agree with 6th sense.
Ive done some random sessions with -50 +50 and it does win untill it does not.
Aim is not to win each, but to stay ahead over time.
the idea was originally to win 50 units EACH ec...not just 50 units overall....also -50 stoploss is way too low,,,,its suppose to be unlimited bankroll...which in effect throws good money after bad...when it wins it wins...when it loses it loses...as simple as that..with no stopl loss and not enough testing you can kiss your money goodbye..if the bot can play so many spins an hour say 300 to 400 and tanks and still not be in plus in 3 to 4 hours...later is a lot of spins...how could you do that by hand in a casino ..track it all and play how many days would that take 24 hours a day?.....the trouble is when the bankroll shoots down over a few hundred euro your NOT going to win that back...you are only betting a max of the differential bet of 7 ..that's the highest you can bet...from a differential of a result of 8 against 1.....most of the time the bets on an average of 2 to 5...no progression no money management except keep throwing money it at it doesn't work...also for the record the bot logs in and out of the casino so you are starting afresh each session...as though on a new table....not a continuous never ending amount of spins per session..the sheet is 2000 spins long to take into account a long recovery process when it tanks straight off the bat...and even that sheet isn,t long enough...
does that make us losers?..no ...do we play it properly...yes.....does it lose ..you bet...
BUT i like the idea of the 9 spin cycle...just not the way the results are used to be betted on..
now that last sheet ec,s to straights is the way to look at it...I've now asked nick to do a last version of it and i will upload when its done ...good or bad.... :)
Thanks for the sheet.
I will test it for some while on Smartlive automated wheel with Stefs bot.
Bob
u have to use stoploss and profit to get anywhere with it...it also loses...but its easier with the bot as its not a chore..such systems as these need a lot of man hours and spins to see them through and even then you could still lose...its easier if you have no bot to copy and paste numbers in then work from the sheet..just delete each 9 cycle spin from the top down and use pen and paper to do the progression balance as you go through it...or whichever way your style of play is....i,ve attatched quite a few thousand here you can copy and paste in..i have over 1.5 million numbers from the german site of all the tables over a 2 year period
Also said,repeatedly,don't play this without large BR,didn't I......OR DON'T PLAY AT ALL.
Also said,repeatedly,don't play this without large BR,didn't I......OR DON'T PLAY AT ALL
:thumbsup:
6th sense, What settings do you recommend then with the actual sheet?
If I understand you suggest an aim at netprofit +1 and use a stoploss of -100.
I've been running some tests with these settings, but I dont think its leading to anything positive.
So far my experiment was rather short: 20h of automated Smartlive wheel: BR was -80 units.
that was what worked for me but settled down...so i think maybe play about with settings.i tried also 1 up on a win as well as a loss..it works but can get high unless you play on the penny table..smartlive is pretty slow too....i mainly run on betvoyager ....but my brother likes smartlive also and test virtually everything on that wheel..also 20 hours isn,t a short test thats pretty long
.I've had this next sheet done from the system..i been running it all night at plus 1..profit stoploss -70 on sheet ..up 1 on bot and reset to a new high in plus..this seems to be doing a lot better.its up 34 euro in .05 cents...
I'm figuring out and am willing to listen to any ideas about a progression for the 13..to 14..numbers..each ec cycle spin..or anything that gets reccomended..again this sheet works in bot...maybe the whittaker progression ..I'm going to have to think on it or listen to ideas or suggestions...as this is definatley the last sheet I'm doing on this 8)
6th sense,
Thanks for the new sheet.
Still have a question on your setting in the bot itself:
outside progression panel :
on a loss basebet does +1?
and reset basebet to 1 on new high?
Is this correct?
yep...again just see how it goes..nicks putting a progression in this actual sheet..u can have that too...anyone with skype and who has the bot just add me on there...my username is hartscape1......i have other sheets that you can play .....people should really share...thats how you get ideas...and i don,t mind paying and sharing...