Hello All.
I read a lot on pretty much every casino forum how online casino will ban you if you win too much or too often... has this happened to any one of you or is it a urban legend? And if yes, was it because of winning too much or too often (and not because of "bonus abuse" or fake documents or something like that). I don't want casino names, just want to know if it happened to you (or a real live acquintance you trust).
Also, would you recommend (again for online casinos) making small withdrawals often or one big every few days in order to avoid said potential banning (if they are real)?
Thanks for the replies!
How about you don't give them a chance & only play at B&M casinos ?
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William Hill group does. But they ban only from Live games. No banning from RNG, RNG will screw you up the way they like.
This banning happened to many people, including this forum members.
These stories are another proof of difference between real wheel and RNG.
Just out of interest, why would somebody from Canada (Noreilles profile says he is) want to know about on-line casinos ?
I thought you guys were banned from playing on-line ? Has something changed ?
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Canadians can play at many online casinos.
The problem is not only getting banned but also that it may take
weeks or months to get your winnings, if u ever get them.......
Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Jan 03, 03:31 PM 2015
Canadians can play at many online casinos.
So can Americans but getting the money in & out of the casino is illegal, I think.....
I'm sure Iggiv stated about 18 months ago that Canadian on-line casinos had been banned....
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Quote from: Chris555p on Jan 03, 03:32 PM 2015
The problem is not only getting banned but also that it may take
weeks or months to get your winnings, if u ever get them.......
Did you have a bad experience Chris555p ?
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There is some confusion here. I have never said that. What happened a year or two ago was Playtech banning live games for Canada and Finland if I remember it correctly. And Microgaming banned live games for Canadians a few years before. But both Playtech and Microgaming allow RNG for them. There are some other casinos which don't accept Canadians but most do. And playing online is completely different story in US and Canada. US laws forbid online gaming for money, Canadian laws don't. But they are not in favour of online gaming like in UK or some other European countries. So the reason some casinos don't want Canadians is that they want to accept players only from jurisdictions with clear laws favouring and encouraging online gaming. Like UK for example.
Quote from: ddarko on Jan 03, 05:36 PM 2015
So can Americans but getting the money in & out of the casino is illegal, I think.....
I'm sure Iggiv stated about 18 months ago that Canadian on-line casinos had been banned....
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Hi all.
For your information, only live dealer feeds from playtech casino can't be played by canadians. Others like microgaming powered or Dublinbet welcome us.
I can't really play on a regular basis at a B&M casino since the closest one to where I live is a 2 hour drive, with only 2 roulette tables... and the other one is 3 hours with 7-8 tables, and I have 3 young kids at home with a fourth on the way... so I currently use one with the Dublinbet feed (which lost 2 of it's tables during december, end of contract, so it's down to 2 tables now).
I'm mainly asking if it can happen (so a yes by iggiv from one site). As for getting my money, I've had no problem so far with where I am (never really big amounts mind, but's that might change soon if my last few days hold up so...). I'm mostly curious if the casinos ban you for winning too much or too often.
Too often is easy to "cheat" kind of: either go in with canons blazing and win as much as you can as fast as you can (by playing a higher base unit) and when they ban you (after a few weeks hopefully) you've made a lot; or lose on purpose sometimes (or not on purpose depending on your system...); or limit your playtime there.
Winning too much is kind of harder to cheat (and how much is too much???), unless you have access to lots of casinos where you can win a little each time, which I'm not sure I have access to... I know of another one I could go to which uses the same feed but is not owned by dublinbet. The microgaming casino I havent tested recently... and I'm not so sure I like them, since you have maybe 15 seconds to place your bets, and THEN they spin the ball... always makes me wonder
So let's ask the question another way: are any of you regular winners at live dealer games (hopefully roulette), and if yes how do you manage it and for how long have you? Big wins (500+ each day played), small wins (100- each day played), med wins, and how often do you withdraw money from them and how much each time (big, small, in between). Again, I don't want casino names and detailed finances, any ballpark would be greatly appreciated. If it's too much/personnal info, simply a yes/no and for how long (weeks, months, years) will still help!
Noreilles, did you check Microgaming live games yourself? Check this article. Although it is more than a year old and anything could happen since then.
link:://:.livedealer.org/blog/2013/03/no-microgaming-live-dealers-players-canada/ (link:://:.livedealer.org/blog/2013/03/no-microgaming-live-dealers-players-canada/)
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 03, 10:40 PM 2015
Noreilles, did you check Microgaming live games yourself? Check this article. Although it is more than a year old and anything could happen since then.
link:://:.livedealer.org/blog/2013/03/no-microgaming-live-dealers-players-canada/ (link:://:.livedealer.org/blog/2013/03/no-microgaming-live-dealers-players-canada/)
Lol... thanks for the info, as I said I haven't tested recently (as in a little over 2 years ago it would seem). That leaves evolution gaming (I think), they provide feeds to 888 or party (casino), william hill also I think... and maybe more independant ones (like Celtic). SOrry to name casinos, don't know if it's against the rules or not, if it is simply delete the post, I don't plan/want to make any publicity.
It's Ok.
Dublinbet, Castlecasino, casino777.be, victor chandler, smartlive, a few others
@Ddarko - I play mainly at BM so don't have this problem. But the rumour is that some online
casinos will try to find all sorts , excuses to avoid payments. I will post an interesting link concerning this
fact very soon.
@ Noreilles
Post #180 from flatino
link:://betselection.cc/off-topic/i-miss-alibaba/msg26536/#msg26536 (link:://betselection.cc/off-topic/i-miss-alibaba/msg26536/#msg26536)
@ iggiv
Well I was nearly right, which is pretty good for me !!!
Sorry for putting incorrect words in your mouth :-[
@ Chris555p
Look forward to that link :thumbsup:
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@Ddarko - check out the thread tomorrow, it will be posted :thumbsup:.
I would avoid Victor Chandler (betvictor) if I were you! If his casino operates the same as his sportsbook, you won't last very long if you enjoy a bit of luck.
For somewhere like Dublinbet/Viewcasino. Reverse some of your withdrawals from time to time and put a bit of your profits through the slots. Then withdraw it again. Try to make things look a bit haphazard.
They ban me from their bonuses programs after making withdrawals, but I was never banned from a casino until now. But anyway, withouth bonus I don't play. By the way, RNG can be profitable with bonuses... (not roulette, but slots).
@Ddarko and everyone - Pls see attached link regarding payment problems associated with some
online casinos.....
link:://:.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/payment-issues (link:://:.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/payment-issues)
Quote from: Chris555p on Jan 05, 05:10 AM 2015
@Ddarko and everyone - Pls see attached link regarding payment problems associated with some
online casinos.....
link:://:.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/payment-issues (link:://:.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/payment-issues)
A very small amount of research would tell anyone not to go near a lot of the casinos on the list. A small surprise to see Smart Live on the list, but most of thier disputes seem to have been resolved in one way or another. Gamblers have a habit of being just as dishonest as Casino operators in some cases.
OK, so basically no one is or wants to admit to being a long time online roulette winner, and you COULD maybe get banned if you won too much but you'd have to win pretty consistently for a while I guess. Well, thanks a bunch, I have all the answer(s) I'm gonna get I guess! 8)
with William Hill group (you can ask Steve, he knows they are legal crooks really) you don't have to win consistently. If you win just a little they ban you from live games pretty easily. And it does not have to be a lot that you win. I guess if you are out of known real loser pattern for couple of times, you can be banned. At least that was a case a couple of years ago. They push you to RNG. And a nasty thing is they don't even bother to tell you when they do it. You try to open their live games, they are not working all of sudden. They are there but you can't open any window for any table. You ask them in email and they just give you standard answer like "We have right to refuse any game to anyone. You can try our other games blah-blah-blah". They don't even bother to tell you exactly that you are banned.
Quote from: Noreilles on Jan 07, 04:51 PM 2015
OK, so basically no one is or wants to admit to being a long time online roulette winner, and you COULD maybe get banned if you won too much but you'd have to win pretty consistently for a while I guess. Well, thanks a bunch, I have all the answer(s) I'm gonna get I guess! 8)
reply #14 from me is the best I could do Noreilles :thumbsup:
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Quote from: iggiv on Jan 07, 05:06 PM 2015
They don't even bother to tell you exactly that you are banned.
Like it or not Iggiv a casino doesn't have to tell you why you are banned >:(
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they could tell you at least that you were banned. No. they don't.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 07, 06:11 PM 2015
they could tell you at least that you were banned. No. they don't.
I agree it would be nice if they did, but they don't have to, therefore they don't......
simple as....
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Quote from: iggiv on Jan 07, 05:06 PM 2015
with William Hill group (you can ask Steve, he knows they are legal crooks really) you don't have to win consistently. If you win just a little they ban you from live games pretty easily. And it does not have to be a lot that you win. I guess if you are out of known real loser pattern for couple of times, you can be banned. At least that was a case a couple of years ago. They push you to RNG. And a nasty thing is they don't even bother to tell you when they do it. You try to open their live games, they are not working all of sudden. They are there but you can't open any window for any table. You ask them in email and they just give you standard answer like "We have right to refuse any game to anyone. You can try our other games blah-blah-blah". They don't even bother to tell you exactly that you are banned.
True. I won a bit there in the past and they did me the same thing. They must have some pattern recognition or some threshold of winnings. Whatever it is, it's very sensitive, I didn't really had any outstanding system or win anything spectacular, it was pure luck to win arround 100 euros or something like that... But they still paid the winnings withouth any problems.
Quote from: vladir on Jan 28, 12:17 PM 2015
True. I won a bit there in the past and they did me the same thing. They must have some pattern recognition or some threshold of winnings. Whatever it is, it's very sensitive, I didn't really had any outstanding system or win anything spectacular, it was pure luck to win arround 100 euros or something like that... But they still paid the winnings withouth any problems.
so if I've got this right, you won 100 euros & they stopped you playing the "live" wheel
after that ?
Jeeezzz......
Anybody else think that WH sometime in the not too distant past, lost badly to someone
on their "live" wheel ?
Or maybe a group of ppl ?
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Vladir is right, it's not about how much you win, it's about a few "suspicious" successful games which they consider worth banning from live wheels. Some kind of winning pattern recognition. It can be only a few bucks by 10 c units. Let's say you made 50 units out of bankroll of 50 units, doubled your bankroll with a few sessions very quickly and smoothly, only 5 bucks, but that can be enough for them to ban you from the live wheel. Let's say you played 30 numbers and won 8 times within a few days. They probably see it as a potential danger. They have no control over a live wheel. RNG is a different story, they don't ban from RNG.
Hi everyone
I Wonder if the banning when winning apply mainly to WH or other online casinos
ban as well when winning. Does anyone know....?? Thanks.
Playtech William Hill group. Again -- they ban from live games ONLY, RNG you can play.
I did not play for some time though there, so maybe they changed their policy since then who knows.