There are 18 splits covering 36 numbers excluding the 0. I use this system primarily on european roulette.
1,4
2,5
3,6
7,10
8,11
9,12 and so on.
You will track each number and mark the split it is connected to. Once you have marked 12 splits you will bet on the 6 remaining splits to hit twice before recording another 12 splits. I use a progression as flatbetting would definitely not work with this method due to how long it usually takes for them to hit.
If you have any questions then please do not hesitate to ask. I use this method to great success myself and hope it will bring you all the same fortune!
DGson,
What's your progression?
How long do it normally take for a hit?
GLC
Play the 6 splits to win 2times then reset?
Yes! I tried for 3 and wound up going through the whole progression in 15 out of 20 sessions!
Ok I will give it a shot later on my actual spins and get back to you with the results:)
Just wanted to update this by saying it is doing extremely well so far! Had another 25 sessions and they all ended in at least 5 units of profit or more!
Quote from: Droganson on Dec 03, 05:47 PM 2010
Just wanted to update this by saying it is doing extremely well so far! Had another 25 sessions and they all ended in at least 5 units of profit or more!
They are just good news ! :thumbsup:
What if out of the 12 tracked ones, you have 3 splits that have hit twice, then it would leave 9 splits to cover. Is that how you play?
Oh sorry, got it now. You wait till you have tracked 12 different splits...I was assuming 12 spins...
Yep, you got it. 12 different splits. :) Let me know if you have any other questions.
Do you wait for 2 hits on every split before re-tracking?
Quote from: Droganson on Nov 29, 06:28 PM 2010
Progression is 11223344669913132222. Hits normally come within 3-10 spins after the betting starts. I move up one every loss and down one every win. Never went past 9 on the progression in 20 sessions!
Do U have a suggested minimum BR for this play method Drog?
I do wait for 2 hits before retracking, reincarnation. I would not advise going beyond two hits as that has not gone well for me.
To chrisbis, I would recommend a bankroll of 150 units to play this method.
Let me know if you guys have any other questions!
Quote from: Droganson on Dec 03, 06:47 PM 2010
I do wait for 2 hits before retracking, reincarnation.
Sorry again, just to confirm, you wait for 2 hits on every split? Or just 2 hits out of the 6?
No problem! It is best to have things be crystal clear. I wait for 2 splits out of the 6 to hit before retracking.
Thats brilliant..as I got the 2 hits within 3-10 spins as you stated..but wasn't sure! Will try out some more tests...Cheers!
Had another 10 sessions with a total of 50 units in profit! This one is hot, hot, hot!
Had another 10 sessions with over 50 units total profit! Looking great on my end. Anyone else testing this?
Playing with real money or are you testing? Is your progression holding up and still never gone past the 9 mark?
I always test with real money whenever possible. The progression holds excellently. Haven'
t gone past the 9th leg as per usual!
That is good. When ever I have tested, I'm getting a hit within 3-5 spins. It is looking positive. Need to try with real money still...
2 sessions, +24 units. Looking colourful. More tomorrow! :thumbsup:
No problem, my friend! Thank you for helping with the testing. Hopefully there will be more positive results from others as well. Keep up the winning! :)
Droganson,
Interesting system.
With such good results posted, I thought I would give it a test drive.
I'm still learning the basics of roulette and so I forgot to go for 2 wins before re-tracking.
1st session: 12 splits in 17 spins and hit 1 of remaining 6 on 3rd bet. +12
2nd session: 12 splits in 19 spins and hit on the 1st bet +12
3rd session: 12 splits in 14 spins and hit on the 2nd bet +6
4th session: 12 splits in 31 spins and hit on the 3rd bet +12
George
GLC based on the numbers given 12 splits did not hit until almost the very end. #35 is starting bet point and a hit. I hope this clears up any confusion!
hi droganson, this does look very good, thanks for sharing.
on a win (2 wins) do you re-track completely, or use the previous spins to mark off hit splits for a new game?
cheers.
Hello ewarwoowar! You retrack completely. Let me know if you have any other questions!
A small spin by spin example would help...
Quote from: Droganson on Dec 07, 07:39 AM 2010
Hello ewarwoowar! You retrack completely. Let me know if you have any other questions!
I play at smart live casino. It keeps track of the last 185 spins. So, after a session, what I tend to do is to use that data to again mark off the splits. I use the last 18 spin data. In my case, I do have a overlap between the sessions. My opinion is that the strategy works either ways...
thank you for your input reincarnation! I am glad it works that way as well! I only successfully tried retracking completely so I wanted to make sure he started like we all are! By the way BazeegarI will post a one session example tonight!
Usually, not many casinos track the last 185 spins. So, I was just trying to see if I can make use of that data in any way and cut down the waiting time ;) But, yes, it is always better to take a break between sessions and start all over again...Verdict is re-track completely, if it helps...
just had 4 quick sessions at dublinbet. tracking until 6 splits left and then using the progression for two wins.
i didn't completely re-track, but instead just used previous spins. it seemed to work ok, giving me 90 units profit.
3 was the max i had to go on the progression.
cheers.
;D Thank you so much Droganson for your system!!!!!!!I win so easy chips!!!!!!!!!!! :smile:
Is there any tool to track the spits except roulette extreme?
I dont use any tool or software soI dont of any but anyone can feel free to design one if they so choose. Although I dont think any software is needed!
hi guys, just ran through another 8 sessions at dublinbet with this. all live spins that i sat through, not downloads.
one progression went to the first leg of the 6, but no probs.
8 sessions yielded 72 units profit.
droganson, i have a couple more questions please.
if, at the end of a session, ie on the 2nd win, you're not in profit, would you start the next new session at the same leg of the progression, or reset from 1 again?
the example i have is the 2nd hit i was looking for in one session came on the first leg of the 6, which left me with a loss. i personally started the next game at 1 unit, because i was well up over all.
also, you said that the b/r required for this would be 150, but going to the first 9 in a progression would require 246 units. was there any reason for the 150, or do you just feel that you'll never need more?
i'll test some more.
cheers
I was rushing when I posted that. I was just about to go out. Safe betting requires 700 units but for those who want to be aggressive only 350 is needed. If you are at a loss then continue one step back in the progression from the last hit.
ok drog, thanks for your reply!
another three sessions at dublinbet.
session1: 26 spins to qualify, win 1 on next spin, win 2 on next!
session 2: 25 spins to qualify, win 1 on spin no5 and win 2 on spin no8
session 3: 21 spins to qualify, win 1 on spin no4 and win 2 on spin no5
very smooth so far. when testing a system with a progression, i get wary if the progression goes near to the end a few times, because you just know that one day it will fail spectacularly.
this one hasn't been anywhere near to the end in a few sessions for me now.
the above 3 sessions yielded 54 units profit.
That is good to knoe ewarwoowar! I hope this system will benefit many more roulette players like those who have tested it! It is truly unique and very successful!
Made some 90 units. The max step I reached is '4' in the progression for the first hit. Obviously, I was down a bit. So, for the second hit, I just went a step back and luckily the second hit came the very next spin. So, came out in profit. Still looking promising.
This system is looking very interesting Drog.
Small easily answered question- are U totally ignoring our Green friend Zero in all aspects of this system play?
Ignore and keep tracking, or ignore and re-track?
Your obsession with the Zero makes me laugh. We ignore the Zero and keep tracking.
LOL... Our green friend stays in oblivion always!!!
U may laugh. ;D
I do every morning when I look in the mirror. :o
But I'll tell you this,............. I have made more money from the Green Goblin, than any of my other favourite numbers.
But I'm glad I tickled U. :P
Think this system of your's is ready to be moved into the full harness of the FULL SYSTEM LISTING now, sounds like its a done deal, from an idea, initial interest of other fellows, thro to testing and posting results, .........and on to members actually winning money with it.
The brain storm is over- now time for propagation and spppppppreading the message.
Go forth Drog........................................so he did...................................and he came third!!
I agree with you Chrisbis! Can I move it or do I need to pm a moderator to move it for me? Hmmmmm.
A Global Mod will do it for U, Or Victor.
Well done on the Topic mate.
I'm going have a look at this system this wkend coming.
Would U say this system also qualifies as a CONSTANT WINNING BET?
Might need a whole new Forum Section for them, there's a few gathering round a warming campfire now.
(No nothing to do with BrookBack Mountain..................... tsss, some people eh?)
Mention the word Camp, and they think they can have a field day!!
I suppose it would be a constant winning bet! Nothing but good results from the testers so far. Will post an example sesstion later tonight along with my session results!
And now for Bazeegar and everyone else I post a session I played tonight which generated me 24 units of profit!
14 14,17
7 7,10
21 21.24
5 2,5
7
28 25,28
27 27,30
21
19 19,22
3 3,6
15 15,18
9 9,12
23 20,23
13 13,16
11 8,11 HIT!
23
15
28
29 26,29 HIT!
Missing Splits
1,4
8,11
26,29
31,34
32,35
33,36
Quote from: Droganson on Dec 07, 06:39 PM 2010
I agree with you Chrisbis! Can I move it or do I need to pm a moderator to move it for me? Hmmmmm.
@Droganson
PM Twister. He's moved stuff before successfully.
(I'd hate to try and then stuff it up. I haven't got round to trying it on a dummy post, yet)
I just pmed him. Thank you for the suggestion, esoito. :)
Am I right to say this?
QuotePer Split--6Splits--Total Bet--Payout--Nett
1 6 6 18 12
1 6 12 18 6
2 12 24 36 12
2 12 36 36 0
3 18 54 54 0
3 18 72 54 -18
4 24 96 72 -24
4 24 120 72 -48
6 36 156 108 -48
6 36 192 108 -84
9 54 246 162 -84
9 54 300 162 -138
13 78 378 234 -144
13 78 456 234 -222
22 132 588 396 -192
22 132 720 396 -324
so anything pass the 5th progression we loss?
I'm having a look at this panel/chart, and checking it
You guys are right. I took my original progression of 1.2.3.4.6.9.13.22 and elongated it because I did not trust my own progression. Here is another one you may use 1.1.2.3.5.7.10.15.24. I apologize for my grave error and will change my post immediately. I deleted it since I could not modify it. Everyone please use one of these two progressions from now on! Thank you. There really is no safe progression after all.
Well spotted. :thumbsup:
Drog-
Can you put some comma's in it so as to identify the individual amounts?
All blurred!
Edit- Thanx mate. Nice work.
i suggest using the original progression for maximum profit. Every hit will be profit. If you track properly you should never ever go past 9! ENJOY everyone!
Have you all been using the wrong progression the whole time? =/
I believe it was still a good progression but it would haveproduced considerable losses had bets been drawn out which they never are. Progression does not matter as you always get a hit between 3-10 spins after tracking is finished ensuring a profit!
I believe, more than the progression, the system was holding up the progression well and hence we did not see any losses. The hits used to come in very few spins. But, as always with roulette, we need to be prepared for eventuality which might come any day.
For those who play at casinos which support 0.5 units, I have this slower progression:
1, 1, 2, 2.5, 3.5, 5.5, 8, 12, 18
Quote from: Droganson on Dec 07, 09:14 PM 2010
And now for Bazeegar and everyone else I post a session I played tonight which generated me 24 units of profit!
Thanx mate! :thumbsup:
Well this is a very bad system!!!!!!!!!!!!!
beacuse I love to lose!!!!!!!! :o
I had a trip to BULGARIA today and I won so easy 100 chips in about 1 hour! ;D
I played auto-roulette and this is the big prove that also works on that kind roulette tables!!!!!!!!
we love you :love: Droganson!!!!!!!!!!!!! you rock !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:
That is great SAKIS! It works well on live wheels and RNG with all the test results posted. Have not seen a negative comment yet! Lets keep winning everyone!
Droganson,
I know you originally developed Six Splits for single zero european roulette and I was thinking that we can apply it to the 00 american wheel by including the 0/00 split in our tracking and betting by treating it like any other split and instead of tracking 12 splits we track 13 splits to trigger our bet on the remaining 6 splits.
Pappy that is a brilliant thought! I can start testing it tomorrow so I need sommeone to test it today if possible?
the progression that has been originally used with this system is ok.
i played it knowing that if you went a fair way down the progression, you would not fully recoup.
this isn't an issue with me, because in testing, winning spins are never too far away. i think there's too much emphasis placed on winning every session, when in reality, we know that's probably not going to happen.
better to take a slight loss and then come back again in the next session.
i've even toyed with the idea of only going as far as 112233 and then taking the loss and playing the next game or retracking if no win comes.
playing this way, next session or game we could increase the size of our units if required. i might give this a try.
i think taking a loss makes this more of a grinder, which i think i'm personally more comfortable with.
we all know that the systems or staking plans that give aggressive wins can also give you aggressive losses.
more tests to follow..............
I agree with you, ewarwoowar. Play it however you like! Whatever makes you happy. Looking forward to your test results, my friend.
hi guys,
have been playing around with this system today on dublinbet.
the first 6 sessions went like clockwork, as has been described. then on the 7th session waiting on 2nd win, it went to the 20th spin before a split came in :o :o :o .
i had been retracking on the same marquee straight after 2 wins. is this how you play this or do you take a break or change tables.
dont mean to pee on your baguette.
have i done this wrong if so what am i missing. :thumbsup:
Seems like you did everything right however I do 4 straight sessions on the same table before clearing my cookies and taking a break then going back to playing. I try not to go too far because you will lose and that seems like what has happened to you.
thanks for the quick reply :thumbsup:
will carry on testing , never thought of clearing cookies as this is a live wheel.
Clearing of cookies only work for Rng. After you won the 1st bet, the 2nd splits only comes in on the 20th spin?
I'm going to venture a small suggestion on the progression.
Bet 1-1-2-2; as long as you keep winning in 4 or less spins, stay at this level. If you lose at this level go to 2-2-4-4 until you recover your 36 units then drop back to the 1st level.
If you lose at 2-2-4-4 then go to 3-3-6-6 until you recover all losses. If you want, you can drop down to 2-2-4-4 after recovering 72 units and then drop down to 2-2-4-4 to recover the rest.
I have tested this a few times with good results.
The idea is that you hope you won't hit a series of losses close together.
This system does hit quite often and so almost any progression seems to be working.
This multi-level idea works well unless you have a 3 or 4 series of 4 losses close together.
Test. Test. Test.
GLC
Yes nice progression glc.
That's the original original progression but without the 9913132222. If it works then it works! I shall do some testing myself. I tested macduff's idea and it works! 13 splits on the American wheel and bet the remaining 6 splits. I get a hit between 3-10 spins just like the European Wheel! It works well!
Hey dragon which casino are you playing. Rng or live?
I play RNG as it is all I can afford at the moment.
Playing 10c units?
By my simple calcs, minimum progression for the Six Splits To Win should be>
Progression # 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 6, 9, 13/14
Profit/loss = +12, +6, +12, 0, +12, +12, +12, +6/+18
Notes
At the 4th level (2nd progressor x 2) the R.O.I = 0 ie. Evens, the payback/profit is cancelled.
At the 8th level (progressor x13/14) the R.O.I would be +6 for 13 units per split
...........................................................................................or +18 for 14 units per split
(just my opinion after testing this morning)
Obviously the clue to the progression requirements for this system, is in the Title
Its multiples of 6, and there is Ur answer.
To be able to draw profit at level 4 (2nd progressor x 2) this needs raising to 2.5 units per split if half units option available, or 3 units.
Levels thereafter, will need re-calculating to suit.
Just another thing to watch for- table limits, and limits on maximum bet stake allowance on each section of the table (felt)
U may need to move along the table limit option as the progression raises, to recover Ur position.
Or simply, place Ur stop-loss not just as a monetary value, but maybe at a progressor level value.
Say stop-loss = level 6 on this system (progressor x 6 units per split)
Hey guys
Im late to the party as usual lol :D
Just so Im 100% clued up, are we betting, in essence, the Furthest 6 Splits ?
Cheers :thumbsup:
the last 6 splits that did not come up=]
Quote from: weddings on Dec 09, 05:20 AM 2010
The last 6 splits that did not come up=]
Which is the same as the Furthest 6 splits, isnt it ?
Quote from: GLC on Dec 09, 12:06 AM 2010
I'm going to venture a small suggestion on the progression.
Bet 1-1-2-2; as long as you keep winning in 4 or less spins, stay at this level. If you lose at this level go to 2-2-4-4 until you recover your 36 units then drop back to the 1st level.
If you lose at 2-2-4-4 then go to 3-3-6-6 until you recover all losses. If you want, you can drop down to 2-2-4-4 after recovering 72 units and then drop down to 2-2-4-4 to recover the rest.
I have tested this a few times with good results.
The idea is that you hope you won't hit a series of losses close together.
This system does hit quite often and so almost any progression seems to be working.
This multi-level idea works well unless you have a 3 or 4 series of 4 losses close together.
Test. Test. Test.
GLC
Can you please illustrate with an example please? can't seem to get my head around it
Another good six-split method was posted some time ago by buffalowizard which might be worth checking out for comparison and staking pattern:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/the-4-step/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/the-4-step/)
There are also some testing/session results on the other VLS forum...
link:://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-4-step/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/the-4-step/)
Regards,
A
@Twisteruk
Yes they are in the true sense- the Furthest Splits, but what Drog means in absolute terms, is the 6 splits that have not appeared yet, since U started tracking.
But in essence Ur quite right.
I wondered earlier today, if some of these split and street bets (single of double streets) could in some logical fashion be joined at the hip so2speak, to produce an almighty betting scheme that would cover the player for all eventualities, and give one a variable option to use, whilst one was waiting for one system or another, to break out and run into profitable hits.
Would of-course, need the mother of all trackers to cope with the 2/3/4 strategies that would be co-existing and working along side one another!
Chrisbis I like how you think. Why limit it to splits and streets...any sets of dozens could work under this system.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 09, 01:28 PM 2010
Chrisbis I like how you think. Why limit it to splits and streets...any sets of dozens could work under this system.
Well your Wright Brother, there is not a limit fastened to this thread idea of mine- the inclusion of other forms of "Watch, Track and Bet" would be beneficial.
Essentially, I suppose what I'm ending up with is A Bot, cause that's what Bots do- 'Watch, Track and then Bet'
The difference here for me, is that, although I do like bots, I also like to place the bets on the felt, - its adds to the challenge for me!
So, I'd ideally like, a Bot that just tracks for me, Tracking all the possibilities, all the Furthest Splits (and suggesting the 6 (Six) remaining splits), Tracks the streets, as in Fluky Luke's L +W betting system (and suggests a spread bet), Tracks the Double Streets ( and..........), Tracks the Dozens (and ..............) Tracks the 2 Dozens (and ...............) and so on.
But the main thing is, that I am the one in charge, deciding to play, or hold back, maybe taking stock by doing a little virtual play, to check how the wheel is performing.
In any of these 'Assistants', we are seeking help to play against the table, not as in the case of the Tipping Tool, or VB, -playing against the wheel. ( I know there is also a system which takes a blend of the two actions (Table results and wheel output) and bets against that performance outcome)
ah have to say that this played when just playing splits is suicidal, i have had two sessions now. 1st session went to 20 spins before a second win, 2nd session went to 15 spins waiting for a second win. this was after two winning games, so was not at table too long.
would most definately need to track streets or double sreets to back up waiting for splits.
it is just my opinion remember. :(
Yep con-cur with that Scotty, the engines conna take it Cap'tn.
I just had session on-line (RNG- was free money with 40x playthrough, so no big deal on losing)
Couldn't get second win for love nor money.
Won 1st time, after just two spins from the trigger point.= (when only 6 splits remaining, or as Twist would say- furthest!)
So not always a cert eh.
@Macduff-
where and what type of casino were U playing? (Pm if private info)
Hi guys, just one question ~ after the first win, is the progression reset ready for the second win or does it carry on from the first win..? i.e. if the first split won on stage 3 would you then bet stage four etc or reset to back to stage 1 again ready to catch the second split..??
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 09, 05:16 PM 2010
Yep con-cur with that Scotty, the engines conna take it Cap'tn.
I just had session on-line (RNG- was free money with 40x playthrough, so no big deal on losing)
Couldn't get second win for love nor money.
Won 1st time, after just two spins from the trigger point.= (when only 6 splits remaining, or as Twist would say- furthest!)
So not always a cert eh.
@Macduff-
where and what type of casino were you playing? (Pm if private info)
dublinbet live wheel, table 1.
progression makes this an absolute no no for me.
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 09, 03:33 AM 2010
By my simple calcs, minimum progression for the Six Splits To Win should be>
Progression # 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 6, 9, 13/14
Profit/loss = +12, +6, +12, 0, +12, +12, +12, +6/+18
Notes
At the 4th level (2nd progressor x 2) the R.O.I = 0 ie. Evens, the payback/profit is cancelled.
At the 8th level (progressor x13/14) the R.O.I would be +6 for 13 units per split
...........................................................................................or +18 for 14 units per split
(just my opinion after testing this morning)
Obviously the clue to the progression requirements for this system, is in the Title
Its multiples of 6, and there is your answer.
To be able to draw profit at level 4 (2nd progressor x 2) this needs raising to 2.5 units per split if half units option available, or 3 units.
Levels thereafter, will need re-calculating to suit.
Just another thing to watch for- table limits, and limits on maximum bet stake allowance on each section of the table (felt)
U may need to move along the table limit option as the progression raises, to recover your position.
Or simply, place your stop-loss not just as a monetary value, but maybe at a progressor level value.
Say stop-loss = level 6 on this system (progressor x 6 units per split)
I'm using this progression 1, 1, 2, 2.5, 3.5, 5.5, 8, 12, 18
@ reincarnation
Does the maths work for that progression then buddy?
Can you show a table pls? If you don't mind. :thumbsup:
(table of progression level, total bet, return, profit/loss)
I Used my 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14 this evening. (but the latter half of this progression is really too thin, so I'll be looking at others this week, including Urs reincarnation) :thumbsup:
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 09, 06:03 PM 2010
@ reincarnation
Does the maths work for that progression then buddy?
Can you show a table pls? If you don't mind. :thumbsup:
(table of progression level, total bet, return, profit/loss)
I Used my 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14 this evening. (but the latter half of this progression is really too thin, so I'll be looking at others this week, including Urs reincarnation) :thumbsup:
Please note, I use 0.5 chips
Bet Size Total Bet Profit
1 3 +6
1 3 +3
2 6 +3
2.5 7.5 +3
3.5 10.5 +1.5
5.5 16.5 +3
8 24 +1.5
12 36 +1.5
18 54 +1.5
The maximum step I have reached is '6' i.e a bet size of 5.5 units or total bet of 16.5.
i think after a very promising start with this system, it seems to have hit a brick wall for many of us.
i think on balance, a shorter progression is needed. probably 1122 or maybe even 112233 and then take the loss and retrack.
i've even thought of the possibility of tracking for 12 unique splits and then bet the FIRST six that showed, not the sleepers. looking through my records, that seems to hold up.
maybe a flash in the pan?
Quote from: reincarnation on Dec 09, 06:38 PM 2010
Please note, I use 0.5 chips
Bet Size Total Bet Profit
1 3 +6
1 3 +3
2 6 +3
2.5 7.5 +3
3.5 10.5 +1.5
5.5 16.5 +3
8 24 +1.5
12 36 +1.5
18 54 +1.5
The maximum step I have reached is '6' i.e a bet size of 5.5 units or total bet of 16.5.
On level 4- 2.5/2 (since U play with 0.50 chips) how do U place 1.25 chips per split?
On level 5- 3.5/2 (since U play with 0.50 chips) how do U place 1.75 chips per split?
On level 6- 5.5/2 (since U play with 0.50 chips) how do U place 2.75 chips per split?
Or does the table/casino U play, at also have 0.25 denomination chips, but the minimum is 0.50 table lower limit?
Just curious that's all? ?
Quote from: chrisbis on Dec 09, 06:56 PM 2010
Or does the table/casino you play, at also have 0.25 denomination chips, but the minimum is 0.50 table lower limit?
Just curious that's all? ?
Yes, the table I play with supports 0.25.
Interesting progression you have got, but do you agree, for the bet stake and risk involved
(although not as bad as a Marty) the return is very thin indeed?
That said, its a nice, slow, safe for BankRoll progress, so there is a plus point to it.
Wonder if Droganson would consider re-examining the instructions on this,
and maybe only going for the single win,
before then re-tracking for another 12 furthest splits?
Sounds like ewarwoowar has something
that sits in-between Furthest and Recent!!
New system being bourne!
Well, it is thin if it hits very far down the line in that progression. But, so far, in 3-5 sessions I play daily, I am getting some decent wins and never past level 6 as I mentioned before. So far, so good for me atleast ... But yes, lets say I get my first win after 4 or 5 levels, I just quit and do not wait for the second win. Restart all over again.
In its current form then, the rules may want a small tweak to them.
Where U play?
PM if confidential.
I play at Smart Live Casino
Hi All,
After few good results, i did modify my Last 18 tracker to fit this system (attach excel file).
Personally, i stop after the first win and retract next 12 splits. I went pretty high in the progression trying to get the second hit.
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Cheers, Normy
Quote from: reincarnation on Dec 09, 06:04 AM 2010
Can you please illustrate with an example please? can't seem to get my head around it
I'm sorry that I haven't been able to get back to the forum sooner, but I'm very, very busy with work and have little spare time.
The progression I suggested is very simple once you understand the principles behind it.
So you don't have to look back it is 1-1-2-2; 2-2-4-4; 3-3-6-6; 4-4-8-8 etc... or the a more aggressive line is 1-1-2-2; 2-2-4-4; 4-4-8-8; 8-8-12-12; etc...
It's built on the base level of 1-1-2-2. Each level thereafter is a multiplication of the base level.
So, the second level of 2-2-4-4 is just 1-1-2-2 times 2 for each bet.
If you bet using the 1st 4 bets or level 1 you get the following:
1 unit bet = -6 on a loss or +12 on a win.
1 unit bet = -12 on a loss or +6 on a win.
2 unit bet = -24 on a loss or +12 on a win.
2 unit bet = -36 on a loss or 0 on a win.
If you win any of these 4 bets you just start over with the 1st 1 unit bet.
If you lose all 4 bets, you will be down 36 units. If the hit rate in the 1st 4 bets of this system is high enough, you could just start over after a 4 loss series and keep cycling through the basic 4 bets until you reach your win target or stop loss.
I suggest that to recover the 36 unit loss we go to the next level 2-2-4-4.
Now we begin our 1st bet at 2 units instead of 1 unit.
2 unit bet = -12 on a loss or +24 on a win.
2 unit bet = -24 on a loss or +12 on a win.
4 unit bet = -48 on a loss or +24 on a win.
4 unit bet = -72 on a loss or 0 on a win.
At this level you are winning at twice the rate and with a little luck, you will recover the lost 36 units within 2 or 3 wins and can then drop back down to the 1st level of 1-1-2-2.
continue playing at the 1st level until you lose 4 in a row again then jump up to the 2nd level until you either recover previous losses or lose 4 more in a row.
If you do lose 4 more in a row, you go to the 3rd level of 3-3-6-6 or if you want to recover more quickly you can skip 3-3-6-6 and go to 4-4-8-8. Play at this level until you either recover your lost units or lose 4 in a row.
Keep going up the bet line until you either reach a new high point or reach your stop loss.
This is only mildly less aggressive than the original progression.
Like I've said about other systems, if it wins with one progression, it should win with any, it just depends on how aggressive you want to play it. And, how deep in the hole you are willing to go hoping to finally come out of the hole for a win.
That's how every progression works. The further up the progression you're willing to go before deciding that you can't risk any more units (your personal stop loss) the more smaller wins you will have in relation to the really big loss that will come sooner or later. Later we hope.
LOL,
George :smile:
Morning George, nice figures U have there.
There seems to be a consensus building, exposed through live and RNG testing results,
that maybe chasing the second win, may not be the right move after all.
Maybe, just getting the first win is the way forward, as even that my require a good measure of the progressions mentioned in the last 10 or so postings.
I like the system tho, and I will continue my tests and prob some virtual play for the second win, since I have had a few second position wins in real cash play.
morning chris, another early bird!
i think there is mileage in this one.
some sessions, the wins just come along so easily, but just occasionally it feels like they're miles away.
i really think that the key here is to quit early in the progression, take the hit and increase the unit size in the next session as george has pointed out.
i'm going to test this way, still aiming for the two wins.
cheers.
MMM maybe. I'll have a look, just don't like playing for a zero return on level 4 progression (1st stage in George's numbers)
One thing I did y'd was to check the Outbreak occasionally, before I bet, by letting the next result after the 12 split trigger had passed- become a virtual bet.
If that looses, then I definitely bet on the 6 remaining (furthest) splits, but just for the one hit.
had good results too.
But later, playing for the second win, as per original scheme, I lost the small $50 bankroll chasing it.
$50 just doesn't cut the mustard as far as a BR for any system!! But it was free bucks, so....
Its more of a Real Fiction than Pulp...........
yes chris, i suppose it's each to their own.
personally, i think there's too much emphasis placed on winning on every progression, or session.
i know we play because we want to win and that's why we're all here, but just to keep alive in the game and in touch is often enough for me. as long as i can recoup later!!
i look on the last spin, as not to play for a zero return, but to recoup lost chips. how many times have you quit a session, still down, but in a much better position than you'd previously been in, happy to have your b/r still intact?
i know i have!
i'm sure the graph of a successful strategy (i'm sure they exist, the strategy not the graph!) doesn't go straight up, but experiences corrections along the way.
Very true and wise words Young Man.
Don't want this 'sport' of ours becoming one's Nemisis
(planned film of Stargate origin)
Just to let you know, 1 bad session to report here. :-\
I was using this progression: . 5,. 5,1,1. 5,2,3,4. 5,7,10. 5 on each splits and did not even hit the first. I went up to the 9th level and stop (no more BR), and it won on the 10th level.
So be carefull. Was playing at dublinbet, table 1.
Cheers, Normy
Hello, everyone! Sorry for not posting. I've just been using a varied form of the system by using the bet albalaha came up with if I'm not mistaken combined with my own system.
I track 12 unique splits and bet the first six splits to hit and also bet the missing 6 to hit. When the first or missing hit I continue on the other bet until both sets of splits have hit ONCE then I end my session. Has gone extremely well so far! Played 15 sessions without going past the 4th progression! Good luck to everyone!
HI all,
What a wonderful easy system this I take my hat off to you Drogansan, thanks very much for sharing
These results are from my local B. M casino. I didn't play every session but with what I have won, I can now take a loss, I'm thinking on a stop loss as another member has suggested . for if a loss comes, all the hard work will be down the drain.
1st hit 2ND hit
RNG 2 4 spins to strike
RNG 6 2
A B 1 1 AIR BALL
A B 1 5
A B 8 2
A B 5 4
A B 1 8
A B 1 1
A B 1 2
A B 4 3
A B 1 5
A B 1 1
A B 1 1
A B 3 2
L D 1 1 Live dealer.
So there we go a very satisfactory result .
Thanks again Pedro
Quote from: Droganson link=topic=2662. msg26203#msg26203 date=1292044111
Hello, everyone! Sorry for not posting. I've just been using a varied form of the system by using the bet albalaha came up with if I'm not mistaken combined with my own system.
I track 12 unique splits and bet the first six splits to hit and also bet the missing 6 to hit. When the first or missing hit I continue on the other bet until both sets of splits have hit ONCE then I end my session. Has gone extremely well so far! Played 15 sessions without going past the 4th progression! Good luck to everyone!
Thanks I appreciate and like your way of thinking :) ,,but do you play with 2 machines at a time on same wheel?. . so one's working as a backup (irresctive of other 6 splits). . I always thought of playing with 12 numbers; but I play with the streets as they'r easier to track down or organize. . for instances I put one group of streets 4-5-6's = (4,5,6); (13,14,15): (22,23,24);( 31,32,33). . eventually it shows up, I prefer catching the repeating session where one group repeats itself; even this 4,5,6 group locate itself scattered on top right hand and bottom lefthandside (except 6;13) of the wheel; and others, 1-2-3; 7-8-9 groups work likewise. . its just matter of picking up the right group on a smoothly run session (mainly number of 10 spins). . it does combine some other factors like high/lows. .
would you plz tell a little more of your progression strategy and BR's?? thanks a lot ::)
Ron
I use at least a 350 unit BR and I use a more aggressive progression because I know the hits come! 1234691322 is the progression I use with a 350 unit br. Thanks for asking and much success to you!
Quote from: Droganson link=topic=2662. msg26334#msg26334 date=1292084965
I use at least a 350 unit BR and I use a more aggressive progression because I know the hits come! 1234691322 is the progression I use with a 350 unit br. Thanks for asking and much success to you!
Sorry i forgot to ask how u record the past split list ( whats the most convenient type?)and ya hav u had a thought about my groupwise street betting system? much appreciation. .
Ron
Not sure what you mean, Ron about the past split list. I just record them as they come on my notepad. I use RNG casinos. ALso I have not seen that system. Link me, please?
Quote from: Droganson link=topic=2662. msg26203#msg26203 date=1292044111
Hello, everyone! Sorry for not posting. I've just been using a varied form of the system by using the bet albalaha came up with if I'm not mistaken combined with my own system.
I track 12 unique splits and bet the first six splits to hit and also bet the missing 6 to hit. When the first or missing hit I continue on the other bet until both sets of splits have hit ONCE then I end my session. Has gone extremely well so far! Played 15 sessions without going past the 4th progression! Good luck to everyone!
Lets see if I understand correctly.
You make your
first bet on the first six splits to hit and the missing 6 splits for a total of 24 numbers
after you track 12 unique splits??
just as before, but instead of betting on the missing 6 splits, we're betting on those and the FIRST six splits to hit. bet for two hits and re-track.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Dec 11, 12:52 PM 2010
Just as before, but instead of betting on the missing 6 splits, we're betting on those and the FIRST six splits to hit. bet for two hits and re-track.
I see this bet in heading in good direction :thumbsup:
Sleepers are always bad idea.
Anyone is planing to code it into RX or something?
just played a few sessions with the new twist and this is looking very safe indeed.
i've played 11 sessions at dublinbet and only a couple of times did the progression go to the 2nd level.
we need to work on the progression though. the one outlined above will lose money if it goes past the 2nd level.
the one above is the progression normally used for dozens, but we're effectively betting two dozens now, so something along the lines of 1,3,9,27 is required.
session1: 20 spins to qualify, 21st spin W first six split, 22nd spin W sleeper split.
session2: 19 spins to qualify, 20th spin W SS, 22nd spin W SS.
session3: 24 spins to qualify, 25th spin W FSS, 27th spin W SS
session4: 15 spins to qualify, 16th spin W FSS, 17th spin W FSS
session5: 19 spins to qualify, 20th spin W SS, 21st spin W FSS
session6: 18 spins to qualify, 19th spin W FSS, 20th spin W SS
session7: 18 spins to qualify, 19th spin W SS, 20th spin W SS
session8: 21 spins to qualify, 22nd spin W FSS, 23rd spin W FSS
session9: 16 spins to qualify, 18th spin W SS, 19th spin W FSS
session10: 18 spins to qualify, 19th spin W SS, 20th spin W FSS
session11: 20 spins to qualify, 21st spin W FSS, 22nd spin W SS
hope all this makes sense, i'll have to try and simplify if not!
cheers.
another 8 sessions tonight at dublinbet. i'm playing this with 1,3,9,27 progression, with provision to up the value of units if the first progression loses.
so far, it's proving to be safe.
8 sessions, 16 games. i went to third progression twice. second progression eight times.
of the 16 wins, 9 came on sleeping splits and obviously 7 on the first six to hit.
will post more results when i get them.
another 6 sessions on dublinbet with this, all winners.
6 sessions, 12 games, third progression once.
6 first hit splits and six sleeping splits hit.
the hits do seem to come very easily, almost too easily.
we're betting 24 numbers here and we're always told that the wheel has no memory and nothing is due. each spin is totally independent of the last etc etc etc.
24 numbers obviously equals two columns or two dozens, but playing the numbers on the columns doesnt produce anything like the strike rate that i'm experiencing here. i've not tried the numbers on the dozens as yet.
one big thing i have noticed is that tracking for 8 unique splits and then betting those 8 straight away for just one hit, has produced an easy win every session without fail, over the 25 sessions i've played this.
more results to follow.
That is Great!!!!! ;D
How much balance you have???700 units?
I am scary beacuse you use 4 steps progression :-\
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Dec 13, 10:56 AM 2010
Another 6 sessions on dublinbet with this, all winners.
6 sessions, 12 games, third progression once.
6 first hit splits and six sleeping splits hit.
the hits do seem to come very easily, almost too easily.
we're betting 24 numbers here and we're always told that the wheel has no memory and nothing is due. each spin is totally independent of the last etc etc etc.
24 numbers obviously equals two columns or two dozens, but playing the numbers on the columns doesn't produce anything like the strike rate that i'm experiencing here. i've not tried the numbers on the dozens as yet.
one big thing I have noticed is that tracking for 8 unique splits and then betting those 8 straight away for just one hit, has produced an easy win every session without fail, over the 25 sessions i've played this.
more results to follow.
Just to confirm you are betting fist 6 splits and last 6 splits right? Also have you considered first 12 splits?
hello sakis, a hit gives 6 units profit, so in 25 sessions comprising of 50 games, the profit will be 300 units.
i'm playing for fun at dublinbet just yet, not for real money.
the hits do come easily though. many sessions after tracking only consist of 2 spins.
tracking 8 unique splits and betting for 1 win has also proved successful, so far. more testing will tell!
weddings, we track until 12 unique splits have hit.
then we bet the FIRST six to show and the six SLEEPERS, making a total of 12.
i'll keep on with this method for now. if you want to test the first 12 splits and report back, then great!
cheers.
ok, another 10 sessions, 20 games, all winners.
18 of the games won on the very first spin, 1 went to the 2nd spin and 1 went to the third.
i'm using a 1, 3, 9 progression, which if it were to go down would mean 13 units x12 numbers = 156 units.
this would take 13 sessions to recoup. so far i've played 35 winning sessions without loss.
time will tell.
as a side note, tracking 8 unique splits and then betting them is also proving unbeaten, although one game went to the 6th spin. anything between 1-3 spins is proving to be the norm.
Hey guys,
I know that when we start tweaking, we can tweak it into oblivion. But, I have been thinking a lot about Albertojonas' method of betting Flatino's Promised Consistent Winning Bet. He is betting on the furthest 2 and last 2.
He has the board divided up into 9 sectors and Droganson has this system divided up into 18 sectors. So I thought an easier way to play may be to divide it into the 12 natural streets. That's kind of in the middle between the two systems.
This is much easier to track and also to place bets. I have been testing it by starting out tracking the first 9 unique streets to hit and then I bet on the first 3 that hit and the 3 that haven't hit yet.
I continue to play betting the 3 furthest and the 3 most recent or any that haven't hit plus the most recent to make up 3 streets. Once all 12 streets have hit, I just continue to play the 3 furthest and the 3 most recent.
Once I have my 6 streets to bet on, I bet on the same streets until I have a hit. All the while keeping track of my 12 streets so when I do get a win, I can very easily see which 6 streets to bet on next.
This is an even chance bet, so play any bet method that you would play on an e.c. D'Alembert, double D'Alembert, fibonacci, bread winner, pluscoup, 6 point divisor, martingale, grand martingale, etc...
I have tested it a few times with the grand martingale with excellent results. I know that with the grand martingale you always have excellent results until you have a losing run, then you find out where you really stand. I haven't had a loss yet. we'll see how long it takes to get one.
A very safe way to play would be the double D'Alembert: 1122334455etc... on a win move 1 step to the right and on a loss move 1 step to the left. Since we're betting 6 additional units per step, I think a 500 unit bankroll would be adequate. Maybe more than adequate.
I'm not recommending everyone jump over and start testing this way. I'll continue to test it when I have a chance and report the results.
If it doesn't hold up, no harm done. Some of the other ways seems to be doing great.
Cheers,
George
A quick report.
3 sessions to +102, +102 and +108
All 3 sessions under 50 spins.
Bet method was the grand martingale.
Highest bet was 7 units X 6 = 42 units. This happened 2 times in all 150 spins.
With the 108 unit session had I been betting the +1/-1 Alembert, I would have won +48 units with a high bet of 3 X6 = 18 units. Had I been playing the +2/-2 Alembert, I would have won +24 units with a high bet of 12 units. 6 X 2.
As you can see the safer you play, the less you win, but also the smaller bankroll needed to play. You have to find you own balance point.
George
Looks good GLC! I never would have thought of that alternative however it is less money than the splits. Hmmmm. What if your alternative was played simultaenously with the splits? I will test it! Thanks for posting!
it looks very promising george. are you aiming for 100pts profit or has it just worked out that way?
keep us informed on this method please and i'll keep testing the 12 splits.
i've never seen anything that hits quite as regularly as this does. maybe just a flash in the pan, i'm waiting for the brick wall!
cheers.
another 10 live sessions at dublinbet. 10 sessions, playing for 2 wins each session, so therefore 20 games.
playing 12 splits made up from the first 6 to hit and the 6 sleepers, after tracking 12 unique splits.
first 4 sessions all won, 8 games with 6 wins from the first six splits and 2 from the sleepers.
the first game of the 5th sesssion lost, i.e. i stopped at the 3 progression (1,3,9). it's worth noting that the bet hit on the very next spin, but i'm monitoring this as it would be 27 units laid out.
i then upped the unit value and the second game of the 5th session won on the first spin with a first six split hitting.
the next 5 sessions all won easily on the first spins and after increasing the unit size i finished the sessions 52 units up.
on the last 5 sessions, the hits were shared out by the first six splits and the sleepers, 5 each.
more results to follow.
cheers.
just to add, as with the other sessions, i tracked the first 8 unique splits and virtually bet them for 1 win. they would have all won again.
that's 45 games on the trot that the first 8 splits would have produced a win within the next few spins after appearing.
in 45 games 6 spins is the longest it's taken for a repeat of one of the first unique 8 splits.
The streak from hell! :o :'(
103 spins
Grand Martingale 5 step busted 2 X for -776.
Ended at -38 overall. That means that I won 426 this session and lost 776 = -350 for this session. -350 + 312 won on three other session leaves me -38 units overall.
I'm a little discouraged, but I will keep playing because I feel like this was such a bad stretch, that it can't come up too often. I had a stretch where I lost 16 and won 2. When you get that kind of bad luck, nothing can hang in there.
I seemed to be the one who always came up with the really bad sequences on some of Atlantis' systems also. Bad series seem to follow me like stink on *#@!.
Oh well, it's good to see them so we know what to expect.
Hopefully I won't see something like that for a really long time.
So, this is still not a for sure system.
I'll keep you posted on how and if I recover.
As Colin says, "Keep 'er lit".
I don't know what " 'er " is. A candle I'll assume. :LoL: :-\
Cheers,
George
P.S. I think I'll go back over this series betting 3 furthest, 3 most recent, and 2 in the middle.
That's 24 numbers (a 2:1 bet0 instead of 18 ( a 1:1 bet). Tha'll match Ewar's method more closely.
When you look back retrospectively George (Morning from UK by the way), is there any sense
of an indicator, (that one could learn from) that you were about to have the SFH? *
*SFH=session from hell.
I know hindsight is the most wonderful thing in the whole Universe, but I just wondered if, in looking back at your play, whether you could "SEE" the moment when things were about to go pear shaped?
It could be, that in parallel with Ken's "Event" management, the same could be true for an
event that isolates out the part of a play, that given your chance to play the same hand all over again, you would do things differently!
Any thoughts George?
(And before old smart pants Jordan/VIP
(ohh very important indeed) wanders into this
crash test dummy article I have just written,
I elude to an OBVIOUS moment/indicator,
when things took a turn for the worse- aka- SFH ?)..................
thank you for e=reading J.
Went back over the streak from hell but instead of betting 2 streets in the middle, I just bet 4 furthest and 4 most recent.
Won +248 units. ;D
Progression was 1-3-9-27
Went to 27 twice but won them both. :'(
-320 units if you lose at 27. :'(
Too risky for my blood. Plus, I get nervous starting off at 8 units as a minimum bet.
Chris,
No I couldn't detect anything that would signal the Apocalypse.
Just winning as usual and then 18 bets with 16 losses and 2 wins and then it goes back to winning as usual. Go figure. ???
Regards,
George
Probably U need session breaks George, and more coffee!
Maybe limit the time that Ur playing "Actual", and blend into the session more "Virtual".
Its will help U to 'see' how the wheel returns are performing, against the 'desired' outcome.
The trouble with testing, is when Ur wanting the best performance from the wheel for the system under test, the wheel just doesn't know that!!-
(or the Wheel , just didn't receive the memo from head-office that warned the 'Wheel'-
"When George is testing- give him good results!")
So what ya should be doing, is alternating one's attack plan, and varying the bet to suit the changing conditions, & max out the R.O.I.
Not good when Ur setting out on a full-on testing session in one particular Avenue!!
Keep at 'em George!! 8)
I tried this out today playing with 10p chips , I made +240 chips , seemed to be going well this morning , first session in the evening so the lot gone due to a bad game. Went too far with the progression which eat my profit >:( and lost the lot plus a little more. Many wins were hitting on spins 1 to 5 mostly . Still it's a 1 in 3 chance of a hit no matter how much tracking. Like all systems luck is the major decider if we win or lose.
My method was the original tracking until 6 splits un hit then bet them with progression , my progression was 2 3 4 5 7 which seemed to work pretty good until I bust using a longer progression. :(
One thing I noticed is the number of hits on spin 1 seemed to be better than I would expect, maybe luck or maybe a combination of good luck and good system but I got lots of hits on spin 1 . I only went for 1 win then retrack after with fresh numbers at least 12 new fresh spins no back tracking!
ok, another 10 sessions playing for two wins, so 20 games, at dublinbet live wheel.
all games won again for 120 units profit.
so far i've played 55 sessions of two games and had one losing game. yes, one losing game out of 110!!
increasing the unit size on the next few games easily re-couped the loss.
as mentioned up the thread by kingspin, it's amazing how many hits are on the first spin.
also, importantly for me, is that i've gone through my 4 day rule. i've lost count of the number of systems that have looked good at first, only to tank after 4 days of playing!
again tracking the first eight unique splits and betting them for one win would have won 10 out of 10 times, although one of the games would have gone to the seventh stage of the progression.
these eight splits also tend to hit very early on, which leads me to another idea.....
tracking eight unique splits and then betting them for 1-2 spins only. if lose, re-track and increase the unit size accordingly.
based on the 10 games tonight, the eight splits hit like this:-
1 spin x4
2 spins x3
3 spins x1
4 spins x1
and one @ 7 spins.
in the 55 games i've tracked this, 7 has been the longest without a win.
food for thought.
another 10 sessions played as above at dublinbet live wheel.
the very first game lost and so i upped the unit value for the next 6 games to end the session over 100 points up.
the subsequent games all won.
i tracked the first eight splits again and watched them all hit again very easily.
in 7 games the splits hit again on the very next spin, 1 game took 2 spins and 2 games went to 5 spins.
these haven't lost yet in 65 games.
Have not posted in a while because I've been using ewarwoowar's alternate betting method very successfully. Generated over 5,000 units of profit so far from over 500 sessions! Amazing! I use an extremely aggressive progression of 10 25 50 100 200 now since it never goes back 5 spins without a hit for me and it's doing great! I hope everything is going well for everyone else!
hi drog, i've (lost) two games in my tests. both would have won on the very next spin, but i just use a 1,3,9 progression and take the hit.
maybe i should be a bit more adventurous, given the rate at which the hits come.
Hi drogansan i have a question , why was the original idea of tracking until 6 splits are un hit then bet them with progression. Was this proved a looser?.
Getting 12 splits down takes twice as long and where i play at william hill you would be struggling to get the bets down on time before they spin again..
Yes but who would be insane enough to play such an highly aggressive progresion of 10 25 50 100 200 , 0 will kill your bankroll once it shows a few times , and betting on 0 to cover the bets will surely kill the profits. Few would play this in real casino i am sure. :o
I think Droganson plays this system on RNG.
I would personally not play this on rng , no way on earth! :o
I quit rng real money some time back , i only play rng to give quick tests of ideas.
For quick tests of ideas rng is ok.
It is not a loser as long as you only play it once or twice per session. Yes, I use RNG casinos only. I love the RNG because it is cruel and unforgiving! :D
Remember your playing against a computer with rng , the picture of the wheel it shows is basically an illusion to fool you , you can lose on real wheels too but at least the wheel is not controlled by software . I have played rng a lot in the past and it took me time to see it forces losses (cheats). How sure am i rng is a cheat well the answer is about 99.99%.
But u can still predict some No#with RNGs'; in a real wheel its virtually impossible.
I've been out of touch for a while and I can see many variations now.
To summarize, it started with 6 splits, then to first hit six splits and un-hit six splits, and then to 8 splits with many progressions as well. So, as per the latest testings if any, can anybody tell me which seems to look out of of the lot and with what progression?
hi reincarnation, i've not posted for a while on this thread because i've been busy, but also pondering which way to go with it.
yes, at first drog was talking about playing the sleeping six splits, after tracking 12 unique splits.
then after a while, we discussed playing the 6 sleepers, along with the first six that had hit.
this went very well in testing.
as a side issue, i was monitoring the viability of betting the first 8 splits to show. this also went very very well.
i had 1 losing game and then upped the value of the units i was betting in until i recouped the loss very easily.
however, at the weekend i suffered 2 losing sessions back to back and this was a big disappointment. that said, i upped the value of the units again and at the end of play had almost recouped again.
i'm torn with this because the repeaters do come and the sleepers seem to hit when they don't, but the two back to back losses were a killer.
i might try and use the first 8 hits with the sleeping 6, or possibly 7 first hits and 7 sleepers, after 11 unique hits.
it sounds like i'm all over the place with it, but i think there's mileage in this method.
be that with the amount of splts played, or how many legs of a progression used, i'm not just sure at the moment, but i'll carry on and keep the forum informed.
work in progress.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Dec 20, 11:35 AM 2010
i might try and use the first 8 hits with the sleeping 6, or possibly 7 first hits and 7 sleepers, after 11 unique hits.
But, I guess the progression will be much steeper in that case..
absolutely, if you were to follow a progression to the end it would be a monster!
if i played the above method, i'd look to get out after just a couple of spins.
both the losing sessions i described above, would have won using the first 8 splits with the sleeping 6.
after testing the 14 splits method for a while (8 first splits and 6 sleeping splits) and having a couple of losing sessions, i'm thinking that it's not workable.
however, i've re-visited the first 8 splits to show idea and ran through a few dublinbet spins with it.
in total i managed 37 games. tracking until 8 unique splits have hit and then betting these with a progression.
all 37 games were won.
17 of these games won on the first spin (the very next spin after tracking 8 splits)
7 won on two spins
8 won on three spins
4 won on six spins and
1 won on seven spins.
i'm going to continue testing this way, maybe reducing the number of spins in the progression, maybe not.
we'll see how it pans out.
cheers.
just to explain, when i say unique splits, i really mean individual splits, not that they have only hit once.
in testing, sometimes the splits may hit 3 or 4 times before we have 8. these are then used in the betting phase.
just ran this 8 splits system through 664 spins, giving me 51 games.
one game went to 10 spins before hitting.
of the 51 games,
18 hit on the very first spin
14 hit after 2 spins
9 hit after 3 spins
3 hit after 4 spins
4 hit after 5 spins
2 hit after 6 spins and one game went to 10 spins.
so i think playing this with a 5 or maybe 6 step progression, probably leaving enough room in the unit size to be able to increase the unit size after a loss, would be the way forward.
cheers.
Would going to a 7 stage/level Marty progression be too deep
for the splits Ur playing, or could U envision dropping one of
the splits, and maybe tracking just say 7splits only?
Chris
One could on the other hand, remain loyal to the cause, track 8 splits, but only bet on 7.
Using best judgement as to which to drop!
hi chris, the other split would surely hit just enough to make it not worthwhile i bet!
i think a six step fibo or something would sort this out. bet for six steps and then take any hit that comes, possibly increasing the stakes next time round, because the hits really do come regularly.
in the 88 games that i've just played, it only went past six steps twice.
i'm going to carry on with this, i've been quiet over the holidays and hardly looked at a roulette table, but i'm back at it now!
give it a go.
cheers.
just ran through another 664 spins with the 8 split system. this gave me 49 games.
of the 49 games,
17 hit on the very first spin
12 hit after 2 spins
8 hit after 3 spins
2 hit after 4 spins
4 hit after 5 spins
3 hit after 8 spins
2 hit after 9 spins and
1 hit after 10 spins
this was a harder set of numbers, but still 10 being the longest without a win.
in summary of the three latest sessions,
137 games.
52 hit on the very first spin
33 hit after 2 spins
25 hit after 3 spins
5 hit after 4 spins
8 hit after 5 spins
6 hit after 6 spins
1 hit after 7 spins
3 hit after 8 spins
2 hit after 9 spins
2 hit after 10 spins
not sure whether to work out a 10 step progression or some sort of recovery play, as the hits do tend to come earlier, rather than later.
if there's any progression wizard out there, i'd be more than happy for your input right now!
more test results to follow.
this whole thread has morphed into something quite different from how it was intended, sorry drog! :-[ :-[
if there's anybody looking in, are you following this new 8 split system, is it clear, or should i start a new thread?
what do you want drog? do you want to remove all the un-related posts, or are you happy with it?
hope i've not offended!
cheers.
I think in fairness to everyone, including Ur self,
newbies and guests, a new Topic/thread would
be a great idea, and U'll get better, targeted feedback, and new questions. :thumbsup:
Oryginal 6 splits to win.
2000 live spins sample.
Spins grouped by 100 each. Tracking: after a win back 10 spins to make new qualified group. Average 8 bets per 100 sample. Resoult : two times lost 10 Level progression.