Hey guys, great forum - wanted to say hello from milwaukee and tell you about my system,. .
its pretty basic really,. . . and sometimes it is done with two poeple. . . at a real casino. .
After the same dozen hits four times in a row- you bet on the opposite 2 dozens. . .
and here of course is the betting sequence. . .
(using $10 as 1 unit :)
1 - 0
2 - 0
3 - 0
4 - 0
5 - $10
6 - $30
7 - $90 or $45 between 2 people
8 - $270 or $135 between 2 people
9 - this bet can only be done with 2 poeple at $405 a piece because of table limit of 500 ($810 total bet - yikes)
10 - walk. . .
by yourself it would take a bankroll of $400- this of course is the worst case senerio of getting
the same dozen 7 times in a row. . .
with two poeple it would take a bankroll of $625 - if the same dozen was to hit 8 times in a row
now, I ran some calculations using 1,000,000 simulated spins from the wizards of odds website,
i found the any given dozen came up 10 times out of the 1,000,000
and any givin dozen came up 11 times only twice,. . .
would like to hear what you guys think about it. . . thanks!
Hi New member.
Whilst U have the time (U may be able to MODIFY Ur post if there's enough time),
can U just point out to all readers that this is a system just for B & M players?
Bricks & Mortar.
It will avoid confusion later.
Nice idea tho............keep 'em coming.
And...................its a very warm welcome from me to the forum.
(BTW, its course, not coarse................unless U mean it to be that rough/ruff!!!)
Best Cheers Chris- UK
thanks dude,. . fixed it up - spelling is 8)
Pleasure.
Any more new ideas to share?
All welcome, no matter how wacky!!
We love 'em all here!
yeah man, i have another idea -but i don't think it is as rock solid, which is waiting for a
dozen to not come up in 7-9 spins, and then attacking that dozen with the good
ol 1,2,3,4,6,9,13,20,30,45,67 . . .
again you would have to play with 1 or more poeple to not hit table limits. .
-but as i explore the possibility of attacking the casino with 2 or more poeple. . .
it starts looking a bit easier. . .
Hey Incekt, just kidding. Nice name.
First, welcome aboard.
Thanks for taking the time to post with us.
We're always eager to welcome new members.
All ideas regarding Roulette will be seriously considered and respectfully commented on. If they prove promising, believe me you'll get plenty of guys helping test it and hone it down to a razor sharp edge.
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Read through some of this material. The author deals with your method, kind of. He calls it betting against the wheel. He makes some good points you might find interesting.
Good Luck,
George
Dear Incekt,
Do not ever bet like what you are suggesting here because such progression is bound to push you so deep in loss, you would not be able to come up ever. Never think that if something hasn't happened so many times, it is due to happen now.
Just my suggestion based upon my experiences and researches.
Yeah. . I'm an Idiot :D . . . I fixed it. . . here is the revised version. . .
system is perfect with 2 poeple involved?
After the same dozen hits four times in a row- you bet on the opposite 2 dozens-
until you win. . . then start over again waiting for a row to hit 4 times. . .
here is the betting sequence. . . assuming a $5 min and $500 max
1 - 0
2 - 0
3 - 0
4 - 0
5 - $5 + $5
6 - $15 + $15
7 - $45 + $45
8 - $135 + $135
9 - $405 + $405
10- impossible?
with two poeple it would take a bankroll of $605 to start.
you could always start betting after a row hit three times. . . if you are feeling lucky :)
The calculations which looks so simple to u is not that safe. it will give u short term winnings and in long session it will crash for sure.
perhaps, you ever seen the same dozen hit 10 times in a row?
Yes!
Quite often. :'(
Real wheels too.
It can happen.
And anything that can happen..............................usually does.
Change Ur bet strategy to cope with that eventuality. :thumbsup:
Quote from: incekt on Feb 28, 02:05 PM 2011
Yeah man, I have another idea -but I don't think it is as rock solid, which is waiting for a
dozen to not come up in 7-9 spins, and then attacking that dozen with the good
ol 1,2,3,4,6,9,13,20,30,45,67 . . .
again you would have to play with 1 or more poeple to not hit table limits. .
-but as I explore the possibility of attacking the casino with 2 or more poeple. . .
it starts looking a bit easier. . .
Could try 1,1,2,3,4,6,9,14 (21,34,47)
or for more safety 1,1,1,2,3,4,6,9. . . . etc
Less profit with these but more safety. Either way I wouldn't chase too far as when it loses (and it will) it will make it harder to recover. Personally I would keep the progression to around 15-30 units and try and find the best balance bet selection wise. It can be done ;D
If you haven't already, check out Hermes' 4x4 drive system (further down the Full systems page) and/or the different variations.
Quote from: incekt on Feb 28, 12:56 PM 2011
Hey guys, great forum - wanted to say hello from milwaukee and tell you about my system,. .
its pretty basic really,. . . and sometimes it is done with two poeple. . . at a real casino. .
After the same dozen hits four times in a row- you bet on the opposite 2 dozens. . .
and here of course is the betting sequence. . .
(using $10 as 1 unit :)
1 - 0
2 - 0
3 - 0
4 - 0
5 - $10
6 - $30
7 - $90 or $45 between 2 people
8 - $270 or $135 between 2 people
9 - this bet can only be done with 2 poeple at $405 a piece because of table limit of 500 ($810 total bet - yikes)
10 - walk. . .
by yourself it would take a bankroll of $400- this of course is the worst case senerio of getting
the same dozen 7 times in a row. . .
with two poeple it would take a bankroll of $625 - if the same dozen was to hit 8 times in a row
now, I ran some calculations using 1,000,000 simulated spins from the wizards of odds website,
i found the any given dozen came up 10 times out of the 1,000,000
and any givin dozen came up 11 times only twice,. . .
would like to hear what you guys think about it. . . thanks!
Actually it's not a bad system. Perhaps start at a particular time everyday (i.e. 10:00am begin tracking numbers and aim for one win per day.)
Dear Incekt,
If you wanna play dozens, there are many sensible ways than taking this much risk. You can see a number of good systems in "Full Systems" section. Recently someone reported a dozen/column remaining sleeper for 42 times in a real casino. Anything can go sleeper, any moment and for any strech.
well thanks guys. . im am starting to rethink my concept due to these
types of horror stories and doomsday scenarios. . .
and after running alot of computer tests with actual spins from this forum. .
and im and starting to change my mind about what is impossible and what can
actually happen in the real world. . .
funny how computer models differ so much from reality. . .
i guess it proves that real life can be stranger then fiction. . .
I've ever seen the same dozen appearing 20 times in a roll. That streaked knocked all 20 players or so at the table down terribly, including myself. lol.
okay - okay - for you guys that track sectors. . . what is the most you have ever seen the same sector come up in a row? what about waiting for a sector to hit twice in a row and jumping on everything else? ???
Quote from: wix on Mar 02, 06:37 PM 2011
I've ever seen the same dozen appearing 20 times in a roll. That streaked knocked all 20 players or so at the table down terribly, including myself. LoL.
Would you specify on which casino have you seen 20 times a dozen appeearing in a row?!
...Live or RNG?
Thanks
It was on an air ball roulette table at the real casino.
These things do not work buddy. Whether you play a dozen or any set of 12 numbers, they will have same probability to appear within a given timeframe. I still could not forget a 9 consecutive numbers on the wheel remaining sleeper for 55 times. Unbelievable but it happened with myself. It is my duty to warn you against such vague hypothesises.
You never get reality with testing computer past numbers because this already happened and future will be different. We see it at Forex backwards excellent testing results but disasters at forward live testings. Never look back!
Streaks of 10 D/C in row come often and sleeping D/C 15-20 times is a norm on live roulette and it happens when you expect it least! Surprise, surprise!
Hermes
Quote from: incekt on Feb 28, 12:56 PM 2011
Hey guys, great forum - wanted to say hello from milwaukee and tell you about my system,. .
its pretty basic really,. . . and sometimes it is done with two poeple. . . at a real casino. .
After the same dozen hits four times in a row- you bet on the opposite 2 dozens. . .
and here of course is the betting sequence. . .
(using $10 as 1 unit :)
1 - 0
2 - 0
3 - 0
4 - 0
5 - $10
6 - $30
7 - $90 or $45 between 2 people
8 - $270 or $135 between 2 people
9 - this bet can only be done with 2 poeple at $405 a piece because of table limit of 500 ($810 total bet - yikes)
10 - walk. . .
by yourself it would take a bankroll of $400- this of course is the worst case senerio of getting
the same dozen 7 times in a row. . .
with two poeple it would take a bankroll of $625 - if the same dozen was to hit 8 times in a row
now, I ran some calculations using 1,000,000 simulated spins from the wizards of odds website,
i found the any given dozen came up 10 times out of the 1,000,000
and any givin dozen came up 11 times only twice,. . .
would like to hear what you guys think about it. . . thanks!
trust me this isnt safe no matter what the simulator tells you DOZENS are my baby I've been studying their behaviour for 15 years and on a live wheel I've seen that little white ball hit the same dozen 9 times then go and hit another dozen 10 times interuptted by a zero. Attacking dozens directly on the layout is a disaster waiting to happen. On saturday while PLAYING my matrix method on a live wheel the ball hit dozen 3 8 times with a zero in between and it happens too often for comfort. Try waiting at least five if you want to play this way. But if you want a safer dozens method check out the Matrix method.
It makes random work harder to defeat you. And that's what you have to do to have a real chance. Layout strategies are what keep people believing this game is unbreakable.
Hi, John
As I can see it was a hard/large effort about "Matrix methods"!
I hadn't enough time to read all this massive material of it.
...wich "Matrix" is the best matrix now? I think playing dozens/columns maybe is the best common sense betselection at all!
I'm playing streets, too... but Money management and the strategy(I already play absolutely every system with Virtual losses) are different!
Thanks, LL
Quote from: incekt on Feb 28, 02:05 PM 2011
again you would have to play with 1 or more poeple to not hit table limits. .
-but as I explore the possibility of attacking the casino with 2 or more poeple. . .
it starts looking a bit easier. . .
I like your idea of using two or more people so not to hit the table limits. It's new to me, and a great idea.
Here is another idea the falls in the same line of bets you're doing.
Wait till you see a hit of 4 different sleepers in a row, then bet that there won't be anymore sleepers. In other words, once that happens, bet on the 2 dozens that hit last.
The most i've seen sleepers hitting in a row, I believe, was something like 7 times, but that's rare.
Here is an example:
Doz1
Doz3
Doz2<-----------that's a sleeper
Doz1 <-----------that's a sleeper
Doz3 <----------that's a sleeper
Doz2 <----------that's a sleeper
Your next bet will be on Doz3 & Doz2
To be on the safe side, if you lose 2 spins in a row, wait for a same event to happen, and contine for another 2 spins while using a progression.
Use the same idea with Columns.
Quote from: albalaha on Mar 01, 09:24 PM 2011
Dear Incekt,
If you wanna play dozens, there are many sensible ways than taking this much risk. You can see a number of good systems in "Full Systems" section. Recently someone reported a dozen/column remaining sleeper for 42 times in a real casino. Anything can go sleeper, any moment and for any strech.
Albahala is right trying to outlive a losing streak straight off the layout is unwise. What you need to observe is where random delivers the majority of its long losing streaks. After years studying the dozens the ultimate ZONE where they come to rest is 7--11 You can get as many as 10-15 come to rest there before one makes it past.and spins 7-8 often harbour half or more of them.
This is a take on one of saliu's (google) methods which I spent a lot of naive time looking into a while ago. As above- leave well alone. The easiest most logical ideas can sometime reveal themselves to be the most crazy ones.
Woods
I have seen a single dozen hit 10 times on the trot many times , i have seen the same dozen hit 14 times. Don't forget about the 0 (euro wheel) or 0 / 00 usa wheel. The 0 's will prove to be the killers for the most part on this type of bet. A dozen hitting hard plus a few 0's and it time to get your prozac's out. Or jump under a train lol :D