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Then just assume Denzie is posing the question with the US double zero wheel in mind. It has 38 numbers, so your question becomes moot.
oh sorry i did not know that
Nice answer. Now lets say we only bet when theres some kind of signature at work ? You see where im going here right? Then that Long term of PLAYED spins would look pretty good.
Euro or american doesnt make any difference to the question if you can select the correct half. Now for placing the best thats another story
Yes, if we bet ONLY when there is a SUSPECTED dealer signature at work, then it might be possible to predict with greater than 50% accuracy which half of the wheel the ball might fall in (that will hold even for the long term assuming we play -- "in bursts" -- just for a few spins ONLY when there is a purported dealer signature in effect).
It would ? It can be unless i cut down some numbers from that half. Then the racetrack or splits is no longer a option. But thats for later :thumbsup:
I did not answer anything - i just wanted to show how i play bi-modal selection as even money bets using the number ring layout.
A placement that involve some physics.
I like this placement when you play to win two in a row and betting against that the other bi-modal sectors will not reach 3.0 SD.
Is rare for rotor/ball combination hitting one particular half constant and same with bi-modal effect using my selection method.
Cheers
Not extremely rare....But rare enough to use it imo (i dont mean all the time)
Please explain in more detail
I will show you a experiment i like - you almost can feel you know when a serie of three or four will hit in the future.
You can use anyting as singles event - sereis by them self and aim for three series in a row or you can use larger series using playing model above.
For example - the experiment - twelve bets
Singles has the value of 1
Series of two has the value of 0
Series of three has the value of 1
AND ...
Series of two has the value of 1
Series of three has the value of 0
Series of four has the value of 1
Now you use a six step progression and play to win two in a row or with other words catch a serie of three.
Series of two break even.
So each time you have a single you bet.
If you lose six bets in a row without winning two in a row catching a serie of three - then you start betting from series of two to catch a serie of four.
Then series of three break even.
So each time you have a serie of two you bet.
Now if you lose six bets again - then you got at least six singles with no higher serie and no series of two with higer series.
The sequence is a clean sequence with no existing regression present and the variance increase in perfect order in a perfect world.
Have fun
Honest answer pls..
Did you tried for few sessions weekly?
reason is that no one can do it even people said yes
No I havent tried it. maybe I should just to see if I can. :)
but you have and always hit 50% or more?
Question: Split the Wheel in half. Now be honest : Can you predict more than 50% of the time in what half the ball will land 
Option 1: I can
votes: 5
Option 2: I can't
votes: 5
Option 3: Didn't try yet
votes: 1
Title: Half of the Wheel
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 04:18 AM 2018
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 04:18 AM 2018
Simple question.... so lets hear it :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 04:21 AM 2018
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 04:21 AM 2018
Before I answer this poll, I need to know how you wanna split the wheel horizontally or vertically ?
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: 6th-sense on Jan 17, 05:07 AM 2018
Post by: 6th-sense on Jan 17, 05:07 AM 2018
Split in last number hit each time..in fact split it twice and see what the overlap section is and bet that
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: maestro on Jan 17, 05:57 AM 2018
Post by: maestro on Jan 17, 05:57 AM 2018
well is rather silly question....you have 37 numbers in euro one so what half are you on....19 numbers or 18 numbers..because if you are on half with 19 numbers i think yeah you will be over 50%
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 06:30 AM 2018
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 06:30 AM 2018
Quote from: maestro on Jan 17, 05:57 AM 2018
well is rather silly question....you have 37 numbers in euro one so what half are you on....19 numbers or 18 numbers..because if you are on half with 19 numbers i think yeah you will be over 50%
Then just assume Denzie is posing the question with the US double zero wheel in mind. It has 38 numbers, so your question becomes moot.
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 06:36 AM 2018
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 06:36 AM 2018
I voted for "Can't."
I am assuming an unbiased wheel.
Over the span of a few spins, I might get it correct more than 50% of the time (through either pure luck or, dare I say it, by implementing any dealer signature that there might be).
But over the long term (that is, many thousands of spins), I can't. That is the simple, unvarnished truth.
I am assuming an unbiased wheel.
Over the span of a few spins, I might get it correct more than 50% of the time (through either pure luck or, dare I say it, by implementing any dealer signature that there might be).
But over the long term (that is, many thousands of spins), I can't. That is the simple, unvarnished truth.
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: maestro on Jan 17, 06:49 AM 2018
Post by: maestro on Jan 17, 06:49 AM 2018
QuoteThen just assume Denzie is posing the question with the US double zero wheel in mind. It has 38 numbers, so your question becomes moot.
oh sorry i did not know that
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 06:59 AM 2018
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 06:59 AM 2018
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 06:36 AM 2018
I voted for "Can't."
I am assuming an unbiased wheel.
Over the span of a few spins, I might get it correct more than 50% of the time (through either pure luck or, dare I say it, by implementing any dealer signature that there might be).
But over the long term (that is, many thousands of spins), I can't. That is the simple, unvarnished truth.
Nice answer. Now lets say we only bet when theres some kind of signature at work ? You see where im going here right? Then that Long term of PLAYED spins would look pretty good.
Euro or american doesnt make any difference to the question if you can select the correct half. Now for placing the best thats another story
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 07:16 AM 2018
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 07:16 AM 2018
Guys, this is an interesting discussion, indeed!
I am gonna in the next days highlight one system I created that can be helpful to expect which part (half) of the wheel the ball will land on, basically the system use that last three spins which are forming two sets of speed (ball speed).
I search in a database for the most probable ball's speed following these two sets, then i use that speed to estimate how many revolutions the ball can travel.
I have currently some issues regarding the system which need to be sorted out, and I think you can help me
I am gonna in the next days highlight one system I created that can be helpful to expect which part (half) of the wheel the ball will land on, basically the system use that last three spins which are forming two sets of speed (ball speed).
I search in a database for the most probable ball's speed following these two sets, then i use that speed to estimate how many revolutions the ball can travel.
I have currently some issues regarding the system which need to be sorted out, and I think you can help me
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 07:18 AM 2018
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 07:18 AM 2018
Quote from: denzie on Jan 17, 06:59 AM 2018
Nice answer. Now lets say we only bet when theres some kind of signature at work ? You see where im going here right? Then that Long term of PLAYED spins would look pretty good.
Yes, if we bet ONLY when there is a SUSPECTED dealer signature at work, then it might be possible to predict with greater than 50% accuracy which half of the wheel the ball might fall in (that will hold even for the long term assuming we play -- "in bursts" -- just for a few spins ONLY when there is a purported dealer signature in effect).
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 07:21 AM 2018
Post by: DoctorSudoku on Jan 17, 07:21 AM 2018
The following DISCLAIMER needs to be added to my above post:
Please do keep in mind that dealer signature is a controversial topic -- and many people will say that any suspected dealer signature is NOT grounded in reality, but is instead a figment of the imagination (a consequence of the very human tendency to "see" patterns even when there is no actual pattern existing in reality).
Please do keep in mind that dealer signature is a controversial topic -- and many people will say that any suspected dealer signature is NOT grounded in reality, but is instead a figment of the imagination (a consequence of the very human tendency to "see" patterns even when there is no actual pattern existing in reality).
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 07:34 AM 2018
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 07:34 AM 2018
To the poll organizer :
Add this option to the answers:
maybe
Add this option to the answers:
maybe
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: 777 on Jan 17, 07:39 AM 2018
Post by: 777 on Jan 17, 07:39 AM 2018
placing bets would be easy. now predicting over 50% guaranteed... unfortunatly I dont have skills yet.
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: ego on Jan 17, 10:48 AM 2018
Post by: ego on Jan 17, 10:48 AM 2018
(link:://forumbilder.se/G9T97/screenhunter-271-oct-21-19-35.jpg)
(link:://forumbilder.se/G9T97/screenhunter-272-oct-21-19-36.jpg)
(link:://forumbilder.se/G9T97/screenhunter-272-oct-21-19-36.jpg)
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 11:17 AM 2018
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 11:17 AM 2018
Quote from: 777 on Jan 17, 07:39 AM 2018
placing bets would be easy.
It would ? It can be unless i cut down some numbers from that half. Then the racetrack or splits is no longer a option. But thats for later :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 11:18 AM 2018
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 11:18 AM 2018
Ego... im curious....what did you answer ? Thx
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jan 17, 11:24 AM 2018
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jan 17, 11:24 AM 2018
ego, that is good information, 19 numbers covered with 10 units
The remaining numbers (other half of the wheel) could be covered like this, with 12 units
split 13-14
split 17-18
split 20-21
split 22-25
split 28-29
split 31-34
straight up 2,6,7,9,27,36
or cover the splits, and first dozen and 3rd column
The remaining numbers (other half of the wheel) could be covered like this, with 12 units
split 13-14
split 17-18
split 20-21
split 22-25
split 28-29
split 31-34
straight up 2,6,7,9,27,36
or cover the splits, and first dozen and 3rd column
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 11:32 AM 2018
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 11:32 AM 2018
Many ways to bet a half Wheel...the main question is which half. And later which # from that half :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: ego on Jan 17, 11:33 AM 2018
Post by: ego on Jan 17, 11:33 AM 2018
QuoteEgo... im curious....what did you answer ? Thx
I did not answer anything - i just wanted to show how i play bi-modal selection as even money bets using the number ring layout.
A placement that involve some physics.
Quote from: stringbeanpc on Jan 17, 11:24 AM 2018
ego, that is good information, 19 numbers covered with 10 units
The remaining numbers (other half of the wheel) could be covered like this, with 12 units
split 13-14
split 17-18
split 20-21
split 22-25
split 28-29
split 31-34
straight up 2,6,7,9,27,36
or cover the splits, and first dozen and 3rd column
I like this placement when you play to win two in a row and betting against that the other bi-modal sectors will not reach 3.0 SD.
Is rare for rotor/ball combination hitting one particular half constant and same with bi-modal effect using my selection method.
Cheers
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 11:39 AM 2018
Post by: denzie on Jan 17, 11:39 AM 2018
Quote from: ego on Jan 17, 11:33 AM 2018
Is rare for rotor/ball combination hitting one particular half constant
Cheers
Not extremely rare....But rare enough to use it imo (i dont mean all the time)
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jan 17, 11:43 AM 2018
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jan 17, 11:43 AM 2018
Quote from: ego on Jan 17, 11:33 AM 2018
I like this placement when you play to win two in a row and betting against that the other bi-modal sectors will not reach 3.0 SD.
Is rare for rotor/ball combination hitting one particular half constant and same with bi-modal effect using my selection method.
Please explain in more detail
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 11:56 AM 2018
Post by: Roulettebeater on Jan 17, 11:56 AM 2018
The poll's result is still a tie ;)
I am gonna vote with *****
I am gonna vote with *****
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: ego on Jan 17, 12:06 PM 2018
Post by: ego on Jan 17, 12:06 PM 2018
I will give you some clear hints so you can go back to the drawing board and come up with something - don't have time to explain how i do things every time i reply.
Singles has the value of 1
Series of two has the value of 0
Series of three has the value of 1
So there is a 50/50 situation between singles and series of three - because each serie of two result in a tie - no win no loss - so you can repeat that bet when you aim to catch series of three or higher - i assume you did no know this.
So now you can for example count how many singles you get before a serie of three or higher hit.
You ignore series of two as you know they break even.
Then you might get results like 3 1 0 4 2 1 0 1 2 8 3
Now is up to you to make up your mind.
For example after you see two results above 3 you might aim to catch result from 0 to 2 that is three attempts.
You might build a progression that has five levels with three attempts to cover a larger spread.
Another way can be waiting for two singles 2 and then bet for three times to avoid result above five several times in a row using five levels with three attempts.
There is no limit to how to make up a trigger against singles versus series of three.
One more complex way to make even money into card conuntint system you would do the following.
Any series higher then three is regression toward the mean.
So each time you get for example 7 singles and one serie of three you write minus seven 7-
This indicate that if you get seven more singles after this sequense you have 3.0 SD with no regression present.
Now after does seven bets you can place seven more bets and then you start the first bet after next serie of three.
If you get a seven minus again 7- then you would be betting against 4.0 SD this almost never happens - same as see 20 red in a row.
Now if you get a 7= that means you get seven equal and that is seven and a serie of four, so you did not gain two in a row and got a tie - break even and can repeat the bet.
Now if you get seven plus 7+ you get seven and a serie of five or higer and won two in a row.
And do you get a minus sign between all does bets you have a serie of three and won two in a row and got some regression.
Here is the match for straight singles versus series of three and a chart for overrpresented and underrepresented events or singles versus series of three.
1. Z-Score 0,02 - 1 singles contra 1 serie of three
2. Z-Score 0,73 - 2 singles contra 1 serie of three
3. Z-Score 1,18 - 3 singles contra 1 serie of three
4. Z-Score 1,53 - 4 singles contra 1 serie of three
5. Z-Score 1,82 - 5 singles contra 1 serie of three
6. Z-Score 2,07 - 6 singles contra 1 serie of three
7. Z-Score 2,30 - 7 singles contra 1 serie of three
8. Z-Score 2,51 - 8 singles contra 1 serie of three
9. Z-Score 2.58 9 singles contra 1 serie of three
10. Z-Score 2,70 - 10 singles contra 1 serie of three
11. Z-Score 2,89 - 11 singles contra 1 serie of three
12. Z-Score 3,06 - 12 singles contra 1 serie of three
13. Z-Score 3,22 - 13 singles contra 1 serie of three
14. Z-Score 3,37 - 14 singles contra 1 serie of three
15. Z-Score 3,52 - 15 singles contra 1 serie of three
16. Z-Score 3,66 - 16 singles contra 1 serie of three
17. Z-Score 3,80 - 17 singles contra 1 serie of three
18. Z-Score 3,93 - 18 singles contra 1 serie of three
19. Z-Score 4,06 - 19 singles contra 1 serie of three
20. Z-Score 4,18 - 20 singles contra 1 serie of three
21. Z-Score 4,30 - 21 singles contra 1 serie of three
22. Z-Score 4,42 - 22 singles contra 1 serie of three
23. Z-Score 4,53 - 23 singles contra 1 serie of three
24. Z-Score 4,64 - 24 singles contra 1 serie of three
25. Z-Score 4,75 - 25 singles contra 1 serie of three
26. Z-Score 4,86 - 26 singles contra 1 serie of three
27. Z-Score 4,96 - 27 singles contra 1 serie of three
28. Z-Score 5,07 - 28 singles contra 1 serie of three
29. Z-Score 5,17 - 29 singles contra 1 serie of three
30. Z-Score 5,26 - 30 singles contra 1 serie of three
31. Z-Score 5,36 - 31 singles contra 1 serie of three
32. Z-Score 5,45 - 32 singles contra 1 serie of three
33. Z-Score 5,55 - 33 singles contra 1 serie of three
34. Z-Score 5,64 - 34 singles contra 1 serie of three
35. Z-Score 5,73 - 35 singles contra 1 serie of three
36. Z-Score 5,82 - 36 singles contra 1 serie of three
37. Z-Score 5,90 - 37 singles contra 1 serie of three
38. Z-Score 5,99 - 38 singles contra 1 serie of three
39. Z-Score 6,07 - 39 singles contra 1 serie of three
(link:://forumbilder.se/H5LI6/ecart.jpg)
Singles has the value of 1
Series of two has the value of 0
Series of three has the value of 1
So there is a 50/50 situation between singles and series of three - because each serie of two result in a tie - no win no loss - so you can repeat that bet when you aim to catch series of three or higher - i assume you did no know this.
So now you can for example count how many singles you get before a serie of three or higher hit.
You ignore series of two as you know they break even.
Then you might get results like 3 1 0 4 2 1 0 1 2 8 3
Now is up to you to make up your mind.
For example after you see two results above 3 you might aim to catch result from 0 to 2 that is three attempts.
You might build a progression that has five levels with three attempts to cover a larger spread.
Another way can be waiting for two singles 2 and then bet for three times to avoid result above five several times in a row using five levels with three attempts.
There is no limit to how to make up a trigger against singles versus series of three.
One more complex way to make even money into card conuntint system you would do the following.
Any series higher then three is regression toward the mean.
So each time you get for example 7 singles and one serie of three you write minus seven 7-
This indicate that if you get seven more singles after this sequense you have 3.0 SD with no regression present.
Now after does seven bets you can place seven more bets and then you start the first bet after next serie of three.
If you get a seven minus again 7- then you would be betting against 4.0 SD this almost never happens - same as see 20 red in a row.
Now if you get a 7= that means you get seven equal and that is seven and a serie of four, so you did not gain two in a row and got a tie - break even and can repeat the bet.
Now if you get seven plus 7+ you get seven and a serie of five or higer and won two in a row.
And do you get a minus sign between all does bets you have a serie of three and won two in a row and got some regression.
Here is the match for straight singles versus series of three and a chart for overrpresented and underrepresented events or singles versus series of three.
1. Z-Score 0,02 - 1 singles contra 1 serie of three
2. Z-Score 0,73 - 2 singles contra 1 serie of three
3. Z-Score 1,18 - 3 singles contra 1 serie of three
4. Z-Score 1,53 - 4 singles contra 1 serie of three
5. Z-Score 1,82 - 5 singles contra 1 serie of three
6. Z-Score 2,07 - 6 singles contra 1 serie of three
7. Z-Score 2,30 - 7 singles contra 1 serie of three
8. Z-Score 2,51 - 8 singles contra 1 serie of three
9. Z-Score 2.58 9 singles contra 1 serie of three
10. Z-Score 2,70 - 10 singles contra 1 serie of three
11. Z-Score 2,89 - 11 singles contra 1 serie of three
12. Z-Score 3,06 - 12 singles contra 1 serie of three
13. Z-Score 3,22 - 13 singles contra 1 serie of three
14. Z-Score 3,37 - 14 singles contra 1 serie of three
15. Z-Score 3,52 - 15 singles contra 1 serie of three
16. Z-Score 3,66 - 16 singles contra 1 serie of three
17. Z-Score 3,80 - 17 singles contra 1 serie of three
18. Z-Score 3,93 - 18 singles contra 1 serie of three
19. Z-Score 4,06 - 19 singles contra 1 serie of three
20. Z-Score 4,18 - 20 singles contra 1 serie of three
21. Z-Score 4,30 - 21 singles contra 1 serie of three
22. Z-Score 4,42 - 22 singles contra 1 serie of three
23. Z-Score 4,53 - 23 singles contra 1 serie of three
24. Z-Score 4,64 - 24 singles contra 1 serie of three
25. Z-Score 4,75 - 25 singles contra 1 serie of three
26. Z-Score 4,86 - 26 singles contra 1 serie of three
27. Z-Score 4,96 - 27 singles contra 1 serie of three
28. Z-Score 5,07 - 28 singles contra 1 serie of three
29. Z-Score 5,17 - 29 singles contra 1 serie of three
30. Z-Score 5,26 - 30 singles contra 1 serie of three
31. Z-Score 5,36 - 31 singles contra 1 serie of three
32. Z-Score 5,45 - 32 singles contra 1 serie of three
33. Z-Score 5,55 - 33 singles contra 1 serie of three
34. Z-Score 5,64 - 34 singles contra 1 serie of three
35. Z-Score 5,73 - 35 singles contra 1 serie of three
36. Z-Score 5,82 - 36 singles contra 1 serie of three
37. Z-Score 5,90 - 37 singles contra 1 serie of three
38. Z-Score 5,99 - 38 singles contra 1 serie of three
39. Z-Score 6,07 - 39 singles contra 1 serie of three
(link:://forumbilder.se/H5LI6/ecart.jpg)
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: ego on Jan 17, 12:44 PM 2018
Post by: ego on Jan 17, 12:44 PM 2018
I will show you a experiment i like - you almost can feel you know when a serie of three or four will hit in the future.
You can use anyting as singles event - sereis by them self and aim for three series in a row or you can use larger series using playing model above.
For example - the experiment - twelve bets
Singles has the value of 1
Series of two has the value of 0
Series of three has the value of 1
AND ...
Series of two has the value of 1
Series of three has the value of 0
Series of four has the value of 1
Now you use a six step progression and play to win two in a row or with other words catch a serie of three.
Series of two break even.
So each time you have a single you bet.
If you lose six bets in a row without winning two in a row catching a serie of three - then you start betting from series of two to catch a serie of four.
Then series of three break even.
So each time you have a serie of two you bet.
Now if you lose six bets again - then you got at least six singles with no higher serie and no series of two with higer series.
The sequence is a clean sequence with no existing regression present and the variance increase in perfect order in a perfect world.
Have fun
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jan 17, 01:12 PM 2018
Post by: stringbeanpc on Jan 17, 01:12 PM 2018
Thank you for the explanation. I will have to study your posts and test/experiment.
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: denzie on Jan 19, 03:25 AM 2018
Post by: denzie on Jan 19, 03:25 AM 2018
Soooo... 4 can. Can the 4 say who they are pls ?
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: Taotie on Jan 19, 04:16 AM 2018
Post by: Taotie on Jan 19, 04:16 AM 2018
yeah! and who's the 5 cant's too?
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: denzie on Jan 24, 05:36 AM 2018
Post by: denzie on Jan 24, 05:36 AM 2018
Quote from: 777 on Jan 17, 07:39 AM 2018
placing bets would be easy. now predicting over 50% guaranteed... unfortunatly I dont have skills yet.
Honest answer pls..
Did you tried for few sessions weekly?
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: denzie on Jan 28, 06:24 AM 2018
Post by: denzie on Jan 28, 06:24 AM 2018
I guess this isnt gonna be going somewhere. Although its probably much closer to that HG we all look for.
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: maestro on Jan 28, 08:02 AM 2018
Post by: maestro on Jan 28, 08:02 AM 2018
QuoteI guess this isnt gonna be going somewhere
reason is that no one can do it even people said yes
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: 777 on Jan 28, 04:28 PM 2018
Post by: 777 on Jan 28, 04:28 PM 2018
Quote from: denzie on Jan 24, 05:36 AM 2018
Honest answer pls..
Did you tried for few sessions weekly?
No I havent tried it. maybe I should just to see if I can. :)
but you have and always hit 50% or more?
Title: Re: Half of the Wheel
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 04:36 AM 2018
Post by: Roulettebeater on Mar 21, 04:36 AM 2018
Why this poll is closed
I didn't vote yet, if you open it again I will vote with YES I can and change the actual outcome
I didn't vote yet, if you open it again I will vote with YES I can and change the actual outcome