MEISEL’S LAW OF THE 2ND THIRD
I put my name on this because I believe I discovered this a few days ago. Please pardon the ego. I like AYK’S TRACKER a lot and have been using it for different evaluations. A couple of days I ago I was wondering about the 37 Spin count and adding 18 Bets until it becomes a 55 Spin count. His TRACKER allows an automatic 37 or 50 or 100 or 200 spins. You can also import from Random.org.
So i pressed his automatic 50 button and added 5 random of my own. I received the numbers 17-16-29-0-29-28-28-11-20-8-34-28-18-19-32-23-21-14-2-13-0-29-29-36-8-11-19-4-11-33-5-18-13-22-4-30-28 (37)
-18-22-5-26-5-26-35-6-26-0-29-8-14-8-18-27-31-9 (55)
I looked at the 55 Spin chart and saw that there were 8 unhits, 16 uniques, and 13 repeaters.
I undid the last 18 Bets and looked at the 37 Spin chart and saw there were 14 unhits, 14 uniques, and 9 repeaters. (By the way some people that use the Law Of The Third like 12-12-12, someone named Winkle likes 14/15-14/15-8/9, others like 15-14-8. I personally like 14-14-9[6 triples & 3 doubles] on the European Wheel and 15-14-9[6 triples & 3 doubles] on the American Wheel).
I looked at the difference between the 55 Spin and the 37 Spin charts and saw the difference was -6/+2/+4. I then calculated a whole lot of comparisons between the 2 and came up with an average of -5/-1.7/+7.
This is now MEISEL’S LAW OF THE 2ND THIRD: -5 unhits, -1.7 uniques, and +7 repeaters. WOW! I noticed that many times the uniques were near 0 and 1. That means after 37 Spins you just Bet on the UNHITS and the REPEATERS! as the uniques won’t change very much.
Now I prefer an 18 or 19 number bet. On an American Wheel a 19 number Bet is slightly better than an 18 or 20 number Bet. Proof:
20 #s W20 L18 52.6% 47.4% 5% chance of Winning over Losing 52.6% of Winning 16 = 8.42
W35 -19 = W16 L20 need 1.3 Wins
W20x16=320 L18x20=360 = -40
19 #s W19 L19 50% 50% 0% chance of Winning over Losing 50% of Winning 17 = 8.5
W35 -18 = W17 L19 need 1.1 Wins
W19x17=323 L19x19=361 = -38
18 #s W18 L20 47% 53% -6% chance of Winning over Losing 47% of Winning 18 = 8.46
W35 -17 = W18 L18 need 1 Wins
W18x18=324 L20x18=360 = -36
So all my 18 Bets are given below. After every winning Bet, you delete that number from your Bet. After every Bet you can mark what happened, The choices are (1) unhit now a unique (2) unique now a single (3) single now a double, a repeater (4) double now a triple (5) triple now a quad, etc.
When your Bets go below 20 or 19, ADD A UNIQUE.
You will see in this example I Won 11 and Lost 7.
11 Wins = 17-17-17-18-19-18-18-18-18-18-18 = 196
7 Losses = 20-20-19-20-18-18-18 = 133 Total = 63
That is $63 in 18 Bets. Now I Bet $5 per unit so that is $315 in 18 Bets.
Here is my example. You might have to download it and straighten out the columns.
After 37 Spins 14-14-9
Predicting next 18 Bets = (-5/-1.7 /+7)
Predicting after 55Bets = 9-12-16
Now 14unhits-14uniques-9repeaters(3 3 or more/6 doubles)
Just Bet on 14unhits and 6doubles (20#s, which 18#s?)
Just Bet on 14unhits 1-3-6-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-26-27-31-35 & 6doubles 0-4-8-13-18-19
Bet on 1-3-6-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-26-27-31-35 & 0-4-8-13-19 (20#s)
38. 18 Win (double now a triple) still 14-14-9 Bet on 1-3-6-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-26-27-31-35 & 0-4-8-13-19 (19#s)
39. 22 Lose (unique now a double) + now 14-13-10 Bet on 1-3-6-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-26-27-31-35 & 0-4-8-13-19-22 (20#s)
40. 5 Lose (unique now a repeater) now 14-12-11 Bet on 1-3-6-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-26-27-31-35 & 0-4-8-13-19-22 (20#s)
41. 26 Win (unhit now a unique) now 13-13-11 Bet on 1-3-6-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31-35 & 0-4-8-13-19-22 (19#s)
42. 5 Lose (double now a triple) still 13-13-11 Bet on 1-3-6-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31-35 & 0-4-8-13-19-22 (19#s)
43. 26 Lose (unique now a double) + now 13-12-12 Bet on 1-3-6-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31-35 & 0-4-8-13-19-22-26 (20#s)
44. 35 Win (unhit now a unique) now 12-13-12 Bet on 1-3-6-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31 & 0-4-8-13-19-22-26 (19#s)
45. 6 Win (unhit now a unique) now 11-14-12 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31 & 0-4-8-13-19-22-26 (18#s)
46. 26 Win (double now a triple) - still 11-14-12 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31 & 0-4-8-13-19-22 (17#s)
47. 0 Win (double now a triple) - still 11-14-12 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31 & 4-8-13-19-22 (18#s) add 2 singles 2/14
48. 29 Lose (quad now 1 quint) still 11-14-12 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31 & 4-8-13-19-22 (18#s) add 2 singles 2/14
49. 8 Win (double now a triple) - still 11-14-12 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31 & 8-13-19-22 (18#s) add 3 singles 2/14/16
50. 14 Win (single now a double) now 11-13-13 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31 & 8-13-19-22 (18#s) add 3 singles 2/16/17
51. 8 Lose (triple now a quad) still 11-13-13 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31 & 8-13-19-22 (18#s) add 3 singles 2/16/17
52. 18 Lose (triple now a quad) still 11-13-13 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-27-31 & 8-13-19-22 (18#s) add 3 singles 2/16/17
53. 27 Win (unhit now a unique) now 10-14-13 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25-31 & 8-13-19-22 (18#s) add 4 singles 2/16/17/20
54. 31 Win (unique now a single) now 9-15-13 Bet on 1-3-7-9-10-12-15-24-25 & 8-13-19-22 (18#s) add 5 singles 2/16/17/20/21
55. 9 Win (unhit now a unique) now 8-16-13
LAW OF THE 2ND THIRD = -5 unhits, -1.7 hits, +7 repeaters
This is liable to change when more calculations are made.
This is based on the Law of the Third. I believe this only works for SHORT RUNS. Especially with a Number Generator which after long runs tend to go to a Statistical Balance rather than a curve. I play craps and only played roulette when I had a coupon. But being homebound these days I've been studying roulette for about 9 months, once downloaded a 2200 page article with hundreds of systems. Been all over different forums. My computer now has so many methods to Win at roulette. Many CONVOLUTED strategies involving charts and diagrams and mathematical examples, even some based on logarithms and calculus, some on group recognition, some on LOTT distribution and Markov trends, all trying to find that 1 in 37 or 1 in 38 number that will come up next. This is my try. MEISEL'S LAW OF THE 2ND THIRD.
Thank you that you are not another "guru" who is posting only riddles
The reason the amounts don’t change much or stays stationary Richard is becouse spin 1 departs And at the same time spin 37 drops down in the que ..To spin 36
The new spin comes into play at the same time..
Test further you will see your new law doesn’t work ..
Quote from: 6th-sense on Sep 30, 04:00 PM 2020
The reason the amounts don’t change much or stays stationary Richard is becouse spin 1 departs And at the same time spin 37 drops down in the que ..To spin 36
The new spin comes into play at the same time..
Test further you will see your new law doesn’t work ..
Anyway its always recommended to all members to test any method that they think its interesting first on RX at longterm(=1m spins) before playing with any real money.
Richard ..nottys repeat Ayk tracker maybe of more use to you
Here’s the link
link:://ayk.bplaced.net/notto/
Quote from: 6th-sense on Sep 30, 04:00 PM 2020
The reason the amounts don’t change much or stays stationary Richard is becouse spin 1 departs And at the same time spin 37 drops down in the que ..To spin 36
The new spin comes into play at the same time..
Test further you will see your new law doesn’t work ..
These 2 charts show the 37 spin and the 55 spin. I disagree. This new Law seems to work when the 37 Spin is close to the Law Of The Third (14-14-9) for the European Wheel and (15-14-9) for the American Wheel. If the 37 spin is not close DO NOT BET. Keep a chart with you with 37 or 38 lines and WAIT for a 37 spin real close to the Law Of The Third, and then Bet 17-21 numbers for 18 more spins and STOP. Go to another table or not but rechart again until you're close again.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 01, 03:56 PM 2020
These 2 charts show the 37 spin and the 55 spin. I disagree. This new Law seems to work when the 37 Spin is close to the Law Of The Third (14-14-9) for the European Wheel and (15-14-9) for the American Wheel. If the 37 spin is not close DO NOT BET. Keep a chart with you with 37 or 38 lines and WAIT for a 37 spin real close to the Law Of The Third, and then Bet 17-21 numbers (just the UNHITS and REPEATERS) for 18 more spins and STOP. Go to another table or not but re-chart again until you're close again.
Meisel your method must go first through RX to say that it is a longterm winner, otherwise its more of a feeling.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Sep 30, 04:31 PM 2020
Richard ..nottys repeat Ayk tracker maybe of more use to you
Here’s the link
link:://ayk.bplaced.net/notto/
Hi, 6th. Thank you for the Notto Style RYK Tracker. I just downloaded and reviewed it. It is probably useless for me. It tracks the first 10 spins and then the Wins/Losses are all on the unhits. I wouldn't recommend betting on just the unhits. I bet on ALL the unhits and repeaters ONLY, I repeat ONLY, when the first 37 spins are very close to 14-14-9 on the European Wheel and 15-14-9 on the American Wheel. If the unhits, uniques, and repeaters are not close to the expected Law of the Third, DO NOT BET. Keep a chart with 37 or 38 lines and mark any 37 consecutive spins. When it gets close, Bet 17-20 numbers, ONLY the unhits and repeaters, for just 18 spins and STOP. Go to another table or whatever and mark again until you find another 37 spin close to the Law of the Third.
My friend 6th, if you want to help me, then do a high calculation on the difference between the 55 spin and the 37th spin. It would refine my calculation of the 2ND THIRD. I figured the LAW OF THE 2ND THIRD to be -5 unhits, -1,7 uniques, and +7 repeaters.
You get the first try because you are a nice guy. It took a long time for me to be a nice guy.
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 01, 05:11 PM 2020
Meisel your method must go first through RX to say that it is a longterm winner, otherwise its more of a feeling.
Hi, CLF7, my friend. Please don't misquote me. I never said this method was a "longterm winner". You must have misread my posts or you couldn't wait to reply. I do believe it Wins in the SHORT run. I've never found any system of roulette that Wins in the long run.
As for doing RX Coding especially with Extreme Roulette, no thank you. I don't trust any number generator; they all tend after a very long run to generate a Statistical Balance instead of a curve. I wish I had St. Germain's book of real life Roulette Spins. I do have his book on 35,000+ dice rolls.
Also telling me that it is a "feeling" is wrong. If you want to put your trust in RX Coding, it's ok, but I would suggest you stick to SHORT runs rather than LONG runs.
Because of 1 in 37 and 1 in 38, EVERY system will eventually fail in "longterm" RX Coding. Unless you can predict the future.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 01, 05:37 PM 2020
Hi, 6th. Thank you for the Notto Style RYK Tracker. I just downloaded and reviewed it. It is probably useless for me. It tracks the first 10 spins and then the Wins/Losses are all on the unhits. I wouldn't recommend betting on just the unhits. I bet on ALL the unhits and repeaters ONLY, I repeat ONLY, when the first 37 spins are very close to 14-14-9 on the European Wheel and 15-14-9 on the American Wheel. If the unhits, uniques, and repeaters are not close to the expected Law of the Third, DO NOT BET. Keep a chart with 37 or 38 lines and mark any 37 consecutive spins. When it gets close, Bet 17-20 numbers, ONLY the unhits and repeaters, for just 18 spins and STOP. Go to another table or whatever and mark again until you find another 37 spin close to the Law of the Third.
My friend 6th, if you want to help me, then do a high calculation on the difference between the 55 spin and the 37th spin. It would refine my calculation of the 2ND THIRD. I figured the LAW OF THE 2ND THIRD to be -5 unhits, -1,7 uniques, and +7 repeaters.
You get the first try because you are a nice guy. It took a long time for me to be a nice guy.
Richard ..mottos tracker is just for reference..not bet what he does it’ll show you the unique repeats unhits etc ..set your config to 37 on it as usual until you have the ratio you want on the rolling basis..
When that’s achieved THEN set the config to what you want is it 18 spins extra ? So set to 55 before next spin..
This will keep the numbers you’ve already put in but then turn into a rolling 55 spin..the repeats unhits unique at this point on nottys tracker will let you gather results quickly..
Not betting using nottys way but actually see what is being hit in those 18 spins..
When done set config back to 37 and it’ll carry on the next spin the last 37 out ..
Makes testing quicker on nottys tracker so you can visually and quickly test your theory and see the counts of the three states up to the 18 spin as it’ll be a static tracker when you set the config to 55
Numbers won’t disappear and be replaced..
Very very easy to visually use nottys tracker instead of mine
And on a side note use the screenshot tab to take a picture at 37 ...and one at 55 it’ll save to your pc and keep them to together in a folder ..just make a point of where you save the screenshots.saves writing results down and is very quick ..
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 01, 03:56 PM 2020
These 2 charts show the 37 spin and the 55 spin. I disagree. This new Law seems to work when the 37 Spin is close to the Law Of The Third (14-14-9) for the European Wheel and (15-14-9) for the American Wheel. If the 37 spin is not close DO NOT BET. Keep a chart with you with 37 or 38 lines and WAIT for a 37 spin real close to the Law Of The Third, and then Bet 17-21 numbers for 18 more spins and STOP. Go to another table or not but rechart again until you're close again.
and then Bet 17-21 numbers for 18 more spins.... ma 14-14-9 , unhit e repeter the sum is 14+9 = 25, then why 17 - 21 number?
Quote from: leoncino74 on Oct 02, 12:02 PM 2020
and then Bet 17-21 numbers for 18 more spins.... ma 14-14-9 , unhit e repeter the sum is 14+9 = 25, then why 17 - 21 number?
Only doubles for repeaters!
Unhits must be due.
Repeaters are hot to hit again.
Track against expected hitrate at such and such a spin.
Classic gambler's fallacy. >:D
I created a thread specially for you. :)
Quote from: Serendipity on Oct 02, 12:18 PM 2020
Only doubles for repeaters!
scusami non capisco... 14 unhit +9 repeter = 25... lui gioca solo 17-21 numeri, da dove viene fuori questa somma
Quote from: cht on Oct 02, 12:43 PM 2020-5/-1.7/+7
Quote from: cht on Oct 02, 12:43 PM 2020
Unhits must be due.
Repeaters are hot to hit again.
Track against expected hitrate at such and such a spin.
Classic gambler's fallacy. >:D
I created a thread specially for you. :)
I disagree about not betting on repeaters. If you treat the Last Spin as if it were the 37th Spin, then I've figured out that from that Spin until the 18th Spin the difference in Unhits, Uniques, and Repeaters will be (-5 unhits) (-1,7 uniques) and (+7 repeaters). So Bet on the Unhits AND the Repeaters as you see there will be a +7 on the Repeaters and 5 Hits. Check it out yourself. Check from the 37th Spin until the 55th Spin and see the difference.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 06, 02:57 PM 2020
I disagree about not betting on repeaters. If you treat the Last Spin as if it were the 37th Spin, then I've figured out that from that Spin until the 18th Spin the difference in Unhits, Uniques, and Repeaters will be (-5 unhits) (-1,7 uniques) and (+7 repeaters). So Bet on the Unhits AND the Repeaters as you see there will be a +7 on the Repeaters and 5 Hits. Check it out yourself. Check from the 37th Spin until the 55th Spin and see the difference.
When you disagree you must have math and/or science basis why you expressed your opinion.
You bet unhits and repeats(average 24numbers) hoping to win 12spins out of 18spins.
There's no advantage there.
The tracking requires the use of some computer code(ayk tracker) to track rolling 37snumbers.
Ok I believe your observational evidence BUT still there's no math and/or science advantage.
So, what I did was to "borrow" your idea played on rsim with the use of real math and science basis -
ENTROPY.
Started from spins 42-59(missing info) for 18spins.
Simple game without all those sophisticated tracker programs.
Eyes and brain. :)
This is the 18th spin result. :)
Nobody can produce such a result without math and physics basis that I have posted all over the forum.
Educate yourself then you can apply the principles to produce the same results.
You can play this manually only in b&m casino.
Or you have to code a bot to play automated in online live dealer wheels.
On real table your bankroll will be totally wipeout :lol:
Quote from: cht on Oct 06, 11:05 PM 2020
This is the 18th spin result. :)
Nobody can produce such a result without math and physics basis that I have posted all over the forum.
Educate yourself then you can apply the principles to produce the same results.
You can play this manually only in b&m casino.
Or you have to code a bot to play automated in online live dealer wheels.
Why only in a B&M, why not at an Online Casino? You claimed only brain and eyes not tracking software
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Oct 07, 06:46 AM 2020
On real table your bankroll will be totally wipeout :lol:
You got your understanding of the math wrong. Educate yourself.
***I won't respond to any opinion that has no math or science basis. link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=27425.msg244822#msg244822
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 07, 08:03 AM 2020
Why only in a B&M, why not at an Online Casino? You claimed only brain and eyes not tracking software
Online live dealer wheels have small 15-20seconds betting window that's not possible to place 19 bets manually.
Quote from: cht on Oct 07, 08:29 AM 2020
Online live dealer wheels have small 15-20seconds betting window that's not possible to place 19 bets manually.
It is possible with a lot of practice but ofc in the long run mistakes will happen....so a bot will be better....Ok got it
This recent video that describes the difference between bayesian and frequentist philosophy is relevant to our guessing the roulette outcomes.
I realised I was bayesian until I changed my mindset to frequentist that allowed me to make big strides since.
This video may help some of you realise your own perspective and help you discover your other blind side.
link:s://youtu.be/GEFxFVESQXc
Another great video about the difference between analytics and statistics.
What you find on gambling forums are wannabe statisticians. To design systems bet you got to be a visionary analytics with creative ideas most of which is junk. With the help of statistics you can verify the very few ideas that hold up. Statisticians won't help you create your guessing ideas.
I have always written, the analytics solution has to be beyond basic statistics.
link:s://youtu.be/YsrPImZyisI
This is the most important lesson I learnt(not from this video) that helped propel my game upward. Its called outcome bias. Notice that my model is always eventA vs eventB 50:50. Learn this "secret" from this video.
link:s://youtu.be/x84RsnUzNtE
To all the naysayers, in the absence of evidence your rejection of the rsim results posted before you is ridiculous.
Learn the math. :)
I can keep on going to point out the lack of knowledge and understanding. But you get the message by now.
link:s://youtu.be/bb29nKlTM5E
Quote from: cht on Oct 07, 08:29 AM 2020
You got your understanding of the math wrong. Educate yourself.
***I won't respond to any opinion that has no math or science basis.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=27425.msg244822#msg244822
Online live dealer wheels have small 15-20seconds betting window that's not possible to place 19 bets manually.
This exactly the time required is not enough. I learnt that today but was very happy with my results. With true mathematical understanding it becomes clear there are only a finite number of possible outcomes. It is not even required to cover 19 numbers at the beginning of your play
Quote from: JAMBOBRA2020 on Oct 07, 02:58 PM 2020
This exactly the time required is not enough. I learnt that today but was very happy with my results. With true mathematical understanding it becomes clear there are only a finite number of possible outcomes. It is not even required to cover 19 numbers at the beginning of your play
Please, go on
Quote from: Serendipity on Oct 07, 03:47 PM 2020
Please, go on
I’m going to a bm casino today to test this for real. From what I tested yesterday online and the maths this appears to be a sound strategy. But proof is in the pudding so will put the money down today and update with results.
Quote from: cht on Oct 07, 01:44 PM 2020
To all the naysayers, in the absence of evidence your rejection of the rsim results posted before you is ridiculous.
Learn the math. :)
I can keep on going to point out the lack of knowledge and understanding. But you get the message by now.
link:s://youtu.be/bb29nKlTM5E
The query is when is field work going to kick in?
Quote from: Moxy on Oct 08, 04:35 PM 2020
The query is when is field work going to kick in?
This is my field work for today. I don’t know for sure it I’m using the same system/strategy as cht. I do believe that mathematics combined with limiting the possible number of outcomes wins
Quote from: JAMBOBRA2020 on Oct 08, 05:25 PM 2020
This is my field work for today. I don’t know for sure it I’m using the same system/strategy as cht. I do believe that mathematics combined with limiting the possible number of outcomes wins
Ciao, si può sapere che selezione fai, grazie mille
Quote from: JAMBOBRA2020 on Oct 08, 05:25 PM 2020
This is my field work for today. I don’t know for sure it I’m using the same system/strategy as cht. I do believe that mathematics combined with limiting the possible number of outcomes wins
That bolded statement tells your design.
You have an issue with covering 18inside numbers due to the short betting window - I understand that.
Players have few options to go around that -
1. Play with automated bot online live dealer wheels,
2. Play at b&m casino manual table with longer betting window,
3. Limit the possible outcomes.
There is a math and physics reason for covering 18numbers. Watch the video to learn it.
Gambler's measure performance with their wins and profit.
Math and physics look at the risk exposure.
That's the huge difference. :)
I am happy that few people are finally thinking math and physics to play this game - that's my intention of my posts and videos. I am happier if someone actually made it. Post on forum your systems betting success story. :thumbsup:
This was my session from yesterday. Could only play for an hour as I had to be back home for takeaway night. I’ll keep posting results as I continue to test on the live wheel at real casino.
Quote from: JAMBOBRA2020 on Oct 10, 04:14 AM 2020
This was my session from yesterday. Could only play for an hour as I had to be back home for takeaway night. I’ll keep posting results as I continue to test on the live wheel at real casino.
How can you play with real money if you havent test it on rx and you dont know that its a Winner?
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 10, 10:42 AM 2020
How can you play with real money if you havent test it on rx and you dont know that its a Winner?
To be honest I have zero experience with rx (by which I think you are referring to roulette extreme and it would have been ideal to test with a lot more spins. When I get some free time I’ll look into learning to use it (which I have very little of ). So I chose to test it with a smaller number of spins online before going to a the real brick and mortar casino with a low starting balance and low stakes (in this case 30 pounds) after looking at the maths and and physics and see how I go from there. The moment I lose a session I’ll know it wasn’t what I thought it was and move on. At the moment I’m 800 percent in profit and see no harm in continuing. If this is down to luck (which I truly don’t think it is) then I’ll ride my luck and quit this system on a loss and keep my profit. But is roulette extreme easy to pick up or does it require a lot of time to learn?
Quote from: JAMBOBRA2020 on Oct 10, 04:14 AM 2020
This was my session from yesterday. Could only play for an hour as I had to be back home for takeaway night. I’ll keep posting results as I continue to test on the live wheel at real casino.
Last win - 72,
do you use flatbet or some form of progression ?
Quote from: cht on Oct 11, 04:03 AM 2020
Last win - 72,
do you use flatbet or some form of progression ?
I did use a progression. I bet on three numbers to start with increases in the amount of numbers bet on . But today I am downloading roulette xtreme so I can test something different with covering 18 numbers from the start and flat betting. If I can get it to work as I’m a total newbie to it will post results today.
Quote from: JAMBOBRA2020 on Oct 11, 04:20 AM 2020
I did use a progression. I bet on three numbers to start with increases in the amount of numbers bet on . But today I am downloading roulette xtreme so I can test something different with covering 18 numbers from the start and flat betting. If I can get it to work as I’m a total newbie to it will post results today.
Keep us posted!
Rx is difficult, i mean it needs time to learn how to code...
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 11, 06:37 AM 2020
Rx is difficult, i mean it needs time to learn how to code...
Ignatus could help :)
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 02, 02:38 AM 2020
Richard ..mottos tracker is just for reference..not bet what he does it’ll show you the unique repeats unhits etc ..set your config to 37 on it as usual until you have the ratio you want on the rolling basis..
When that’s achieved THEN set the config to what you want is it 18 spins extra ? So set to 55 before next spin..
This will keep the numbers you’ve already put in but then turn into a rolling 55 spin..the repeats unhits unique at this point on nottys tracker will let you gather results quickly..
Not betting using nottys way but actually see what is being hit in those 18 spins..
When done set config back to 37 and it’ll carry on the next spin the last 37 out ..
Makes testing quicker on nottys tracker so you can visually and quickly test your theory and see the counts of the three states up to the 18 spin as it’ll be a static tracker when you set the config to 55
Numbers won’t disappear and be replaced..
Very very easy to visually use nottys tracker instead of mine
Yes, thank you, 6th. I have it working well now. I wish I could change all the evaluations of 37 unhits, hits, repeaters to 38 for an American Wheel.
My new average for the Law Of The 2nd Third is (-5/-3/+7). This means from Spin 37 to Spin 55 there will be 5 unhits and 3 uniques (I will call them singles) and 7 repeaters hit.
My average for the Law Of The Third is 15-14-9 and of the 9 repeaters 6 doubles and 3 triples or more.
DO NOT BET if after 37 Spins the singles ARE NOT extremely close to 14.
If the singles are close to 14 after 37 Spins, Bet on all the unhits and repeaters (18 to 24 numbers). You can Bet on a few singles if you want but the repeaters will outhit the singles by 2:1 or 3:1.
I’m winning every game at home, but I find this method very tedious because of tracking the last 37 Spins. It would take a while at a casino. This method has to be tracked because it only works because of the number of the uniques (singles).
if your allowed a phone at casino you could still use the tracker from that...otherwise you would be hard set to do it manually...maybe someone could make a specialized app for your phone....but again thats if you can use a phone in the casino...i see you changed parameters slightly...you really have to watch curve fitting here richard..and also look at the flow of the counts...when it hits your parameters you maybe need to look at which way the counts were heading at that particular time...was the wave going up? or going down at that conjunction? ...would that wave make a difference? to your results...18 spins is enough to go one way or the other...look at the rolling wave sheet i posted for reference
Richard
here is a sheet; i use for GUT. You can see the singles the repeats.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=13756.0;attach=17855;image
It shows Winkels reference points.
If need ask a question
Never got bothered by management, once they see just a piece of paper. See them walk off with a smile.
Guys a friend of mine gave it a try on RX the way Meisel told in his last post (If unique numbers are around 14 at spin 37 we bet the nonhits and repeaters (doubles only) ), but it failed :( .....Pleasy clarify if i didnt understand something properly. Thanks
Unfortunately the ship began to sink. :xd:
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 13, 11:30 AM 2020
Guys a friend of mine gave it a try on RX the way Meisel told in his last post (If unique numbers are around 14 at spin 37 we bet the nonhits and repeaters (doubles only) ), but it failed :( .....Pleasy clarify if i didnt understand something properly. Thanks
He’s clarified already and someone else would need the rx dgt to clarify like Richard himself if it bets to his specific way..
Ye good idea....if and when i will get it, i will send it to Meisel.
The program is too complex for Rx and so my friend modified his GUT tracker he developed to test it..... Here are some testing results, unfortunately its definitely not a winning method (btw the numbers/spins are from real tables)
again richard would need the program to comfirm its betting as it should...l.too complicated for rx? thought you said you already had it done in rx and it lost?..
if thats not correct them why is this correct?..pass it to richard and let him decide...
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 14, 03:56 AM 2020
again richard would need the program to comfirm its betting as it should...l.too complicated for rx? thought you said you already had it done in rx and it lost?..
if thats not correct them why is this correct?..pass it to richard and let him decide...
My fault about the rx, i missunderstood my friend....He will try to code it on rx, so when finally i will have the dgt file i will send it to richard.I think he did it right,but we will see.
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 14, 04:03 AM 2020
My fault about the rx, i missunderstood my friend...
"I misunderstood the friend of mine*"
Here is the dgt file from RX, i cant send it via pm so i am posting it here. Richard please take a look and inform me in case anything is wrong...
P.S. If someone has his Email please feel free to inform him and send to him and i cant upload dgt so i am pasting it here.
Thanks
System "Meisel's method"
Method "main"
Begin
While Starting a New Session
Begin
Call "Initialize"
End
While on Each Spin
Begin
Call "Check for win"
add 1 to record "spin counter" data
Track Last Number for 55 times to record "tracked numbers" layout
Clear record "numbers" layout
Clear record "numbers" data
Clear record "Numbers>0" data
Clear record "Numbers>0" layout
Clear record "Numbers=1" Layout
Clear record "Numbers=1" data
Clear record "Numbers>1" Layout
Clear record "Numbers>1" data
Clear record "Numbers=2" Layout
Clear record "Numbers=2" data
Clear record "Numbers>2" Layout
Clear record "Numbers>2" data
Clear record "Numbers=3" Layout
Clear record "Numbers=3" data
Clear record "Numbers>3" Layout
Clear record "Numbers>3" data
Clear record "Numbers=4" Layout
Clear record "Numbers=4" data
Clear record "Numbers>4" Layout
Clear record "Numbers>4" data
Clear record "Numbers=5" Layout
Clear record "Numbers=5" data
Clear record "Numbers>5" Layout
Clear record "Numbers>5" data
Clear record "Numbers=6" Layout
Clear record "Numbers=6" data
Call "Count numbers that appeared"
Call "Find numbers that appeared twice+1"
call "place bets"
End
End
Method "Calc progression"
Begin
put 1 on record "progression" data
end
Method "Count numbers that appeared"
Begin
Clear record "table" data
Loop until record "table" data index > record "table" layout count
begin
Put 0 to record "table" data
Add 1 to record "table" data index
end
Put 1 on record "tracked numbers" layout index
Loop until record "tracked numbers" layout index > record "tracked numbers" layout count
begin
Put 1 on record "table" layout index
Loop until record "table" layout index > record "table" layout count
begin
If record "tracked numbers" layout = record "table" layout
begin
Put 100% of record "table" layout index to record "table" data index
Add 1 to record "table" data
Set Max record "table" layout index
end
Add 1 to record "table" layout index
end
Add 1 to record "tracked numbers" layout index
end
End
Method "Find numbers that appeared twice+1"
Begin
Put 1 on record "table" data index
Loop until record "table" data index > record "table" data count
begin
If record "table" data = 0
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers" layout
add 1 to record "Numbers" data
end
end
If record "table" data > 0
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers>0" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers>0" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers>0" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers>0" layout
add 1 to record "Numbers>0" data
end
end
If record "table" data = 1
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers=1" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers=1" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers=1" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers=1" layout
add 1 to record "Numbers=1" data
end
end
If record "table" data > 1
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers>1" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers>1" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers>1" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers>1" layout
add 1 to record "Numbers>1" data
end
end
If record "table" data = 2
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers=2" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers=2" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers=2" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers=2" layout
add 1 to record "Numbers=2" data
end
end
If record "table" data > 2
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers>2" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers>2" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers>2" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers>2" layout
add 1 to record "Numbers>2" data
end
end
If record "table" data = 3
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers=3" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers=3" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers=3" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers=3" layout
add 1 to record "Numbers=3" data
end
end
If record "table" data> 3
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers>3" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers>3" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers>3" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers>3" layout
add 1 to record "Numbers>3" data
end
end
If record "table" data = 4
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers=4" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers=4" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers=4" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers=4" layout
add 1 to record "Numbers=4" data
end
end
If record "table" data > 4
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers>4" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers>4" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers>4" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers>4" layout
add 1 to record "numbers>4" data
end
end
If record "table" data = 5
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers=5" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers=5" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers=5" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers=5" layout
add 1 to record "numbers=5" data
end
end
If record "table" data > 5
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers>5" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers>5" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers>5" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers>5" layout
add 1 to record "numbers>5" data
end
end
If record "table" data = 6
begin
Put 100% of record "table" data index to record "table" layout index
If record "table" layout is not found in record "numbers=6" layout
begin
Set Max record "numbers=6" layout index
Add 1 to record "numbers=6" layout index
Copy record "table" layout to record "numbers=6" layout
add 1 to record "numbers=6" data
end
end
Add 1 to record "table" data index
end
End
//routine to deal with any wins
Method "Check for win"
Begin
if any number bet won each time
begin
add 1 to record "won bets" data
end
if record "tracked numbers" layout count >= 54
begin
Move List Up by 18 to record "tracked numbers" layout;
call "Reset"
end
End
//routine to initialize the system
Method "Initialize"
Begin
Load Single Wheel
Copy List [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,
20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36]
to record "table" layout
clear record "total bets" data
clear record "won bets" data
Call "Reset"
End
Method "Reset"
Begin
clear record "numbers_hit" data
Clear record "numbers" layout
Clear record "numbers" data
//Clear record "tracked numbers" layout
Put 0 to record "table" data
set flag "place bets" to false
Put 100% of Bankroll to record "start bankroll" data
Put 1 unit on record "progression" data
Put 0 on record "spin counter" data
Set Flag "reset" to False
End
Method "place bets"
begin
if flag "place bets" is false
begin
if record "tracked numbers" layout count >=37
begin
if record "numbers=1" layout count > =13
and record "numbers=1" layout count <=15
begin
set flag "place bets" to true
end
else
begin
if record "tracked numbers" layout count >= 37 then
begin
Move List Up by 1 to record "tracked numbers" layout;
end
end
end
end
if flag "place bets" is true
begin
put 1 on record "numbers" layout list
put 1 to record "numbers=2" layout list
add 1 to record "total bets" data
end
end
Does anyone know if it is possible to upload live results to rx and then bet manually on them to get a balance trend and record results? Just looking at the above made me realise I have a long long way to go when it comes to programming systems in rx.
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 14, 04:03 AM 2020
My fault about the rx, i missunderstood my friend....He will try to code it on rx, so when finally i will have the dgt file i will send it to richard.I think he did it right,but we will see.
Stop Flat Betting and use a progression.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 16, 08:19 PM 2020
Stop Flat Betting and use a progression.
Sometimes you have 9 or more loses b2b, i dont know what progression can help you with that...
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 16, 08:33 PM 2020
Sometimes you have 9 or more loses b2b, i dont know what progression can help you with that...
I average 10.5 Wins and 7.5 Losses and haven't even loss 3 in a row yet. So a martingale (yikes!) would work.
Quote from: Richard Meisel on Oct 19, 02:10 PM 2020
and haven't even loss 3 in a row yet.
Exactly because you didnt test it at longterm, thats the reason i posted the rx code so you can run it at yourself and notice thats not working....especially with martinagle you will get at some point with some more losses in a row +lost sessions and loose it all.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Oct 13, 12:49 PM 2020Unfortunately the ship began to sink.
I can demonstrate my precog abilities. The ship will sink for every so called system anyone ever comes up with.
Quote from: Clf7 on Oct 19, 02:15 PM 2020Exactly because you didnt test it at longterm
Ofc he didn't. Nobody does. The only people who post long term winning results are frauds.