KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

[NextYear]

Thanks Notto,
I understand pretty much of what you're saying (thanks to your's stubbornly pointing out main things! ).
As I've burned mine fingers few times in play before, now I am as hamster collecting informations for future analyze.

Somehow I like to hear good things repeated repeatedly!
(I am sure that this sentence is not grammatically correct)

[Celticknits]

These numbers are send to me to ask how I would play them. Hard session

22    5     33     29
28    2     29     25
30    19  16     25
9      14    3      13
20    31   18     26
27    22   33    24
15    4      2     
32    18   24
30    36   11
25    27    29

-Denzie


With my current method of play had this been me it would have been a -$216 loss.
Not a big big deal in the grand scheme of things but how do we take care of this in the future.
Do you know if this was RNG?

How about after spin #21 we wait for a Repeat or 2 Non-Hits IN A ROW with the +3 repeat count.
This is what I would have done had spin #20 been a non-hit but it was a repeat.

The payout sheet would then look like this if we waited.

-Celtic

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DENZIE   31MAR16

S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 22 0 0 0 0
2 28 0 0 0 0
3 30 0 0 0 0
4 9 0 0 0 0
5 20 0 0 0 0
6 27 0 0 0 0
7   15 0 0 0 0
8   32 0 0 0 0
9  30 R 0 0 0 0
10  25 0 0 0 0            9/10
11    5 0 0 0 0
12  2 0 0 0 0
13   19 0 0 0 0
14  14 0 0 0 0
15  31 0 0 0 0
16   22 R 0 0 0 0
17  4 0 0 0 0
18  18 0 0 0 0
19  36 0 0 0 0
20  27 R 0 0 0 0            8 +3
21    33 0 0 0 0
22    29 0 0 0 0
23   16 19 1 19 -19 -19
24    3 19 2 38 -38 -57
25 18 R 19 3 57 108 51 -6
26 33 R 18 2 36 72 36 30
27 2 R 17 1 17 36 19 49
28 24 16 1 16 -16 33
29 11 16 2 32 -32 1
30 29 R 16 3 48 108 60 61 --- Consider quitting (I would have) - Count is  still 14 +4
31 29 15 2 30 -30 31
32 25 R 15 3 45 108 63 94 --- DEFINITELY QUIT HERE
33 25 14 2 28 -28 66
34 13 14 3 42 -42 24
35 26 14 4 56 -56 -32
36 24 14 5 70 -70 -102



[777vic777]

I see some are adding unhit number to there repeters as they come after spin #20 and some are playing only the numbers that hit in first 20 spins. Does anyone know what would be the best?

Denize: You must have 500 sessions by now and dont add numbers as they hit after spin #20 if im correct and only 1 bust right?

Celtic: You are more selective with your selection and dont always start at a certain spin but you add new numbers as they hit. What do you think is this a big thing in betting repeaters?

[denzie]

-Denzie


With my current method of play had this been me it would have been a -$216 loss.
Not a big big deal in the grand scheme of things but how do we take care of this in the future.
Do you know if this was RNG?

This was live online dealer on Unibet.  I would have less dd . When I get to high in the progression and then almost recover I like to take some units off. In this case I would go back to 1 or max 2 units after spin 27.

On another note. ... waiting those 2 spins (21-22) isn't a bad idea though. Really not.

[Celticknits]

I see some are adding unhit number to there repeters as they come after spin #20 and some are playing only the numbers that hit in first 20 spins. Does anyone know what would be the best?

Denize: You must have 500 sessions by now and dont add numbers as they hit after spin #20 if im correct and only 1 bust right?

Celtic: You are more selective with your selection and dont always start at a certain spin but you add new numbers as they hit. What do you think is this a big thing in betting repeaters?

-777

I bet all of the numbers up until the point I bet.
I DO NOT BET ANY NUMBERS THAT HAVE HIT 3 TIMES IN THE FIRST 20 SPINS AND THAT INCLUDES ZEROES.

Look at the payout sheet where I waited until spin #23 on Denzies numbers.
I only made a profit because I added in the unhits that came in spins #21 and 22.

Denzies numbers were right out of line with the normal averages but as some people seem to forget this is gambling and sh*t happens.
I have never seen a  live session this bad but obviously it can happen.

-Celtic

[Celticknits]

This was live online dealer on Unibet.  I would have less dd . When I get to high in the progression and then almost recover I like to take some units off. In this case I would go back to 1 or max 2 units after spin 27.

On another note. ... waiting those 2 spins (21-22) isn't a bad idea though. Really not.

-Denzie

I kow what you are saying about resetting the progression, and it is very important, but the only problem in those numbers you supplied was that the best high up until spin 27 was -17 and we were still at -39 on spin 27. Anyways even resetting to 1 would have resulted in a loss.

I just went over a dozen or so Jackpot Joy sheets and this would not have happened on them but knowing that this was with a live dealer I am going to wait until spin #22 or #23 depending on whether Spin #21 is a repeat or not if the count at that point is 8 +3 or worse.
This is the only way you you could have made a profit with those numbers you supplied that I can find.
Never seen anything this bad with a 9/10 and 8 +3 in the first 20 spins.

I just thought of something funny-----
What the hell are we going to do with a count of 9+4 and 3 repeats in the first 10 spins.
Never seen it but maybe it's the next thing

Another roulette life lesson learned eh.

-Celtic

[777vic777]

Thanks for the reply Celtic!

Could you please check these numbers, They are from today on airball unibet i began betting at spin#23 (23 hit)
just unlucky or did I do something wrong. (I dont play 0 if its not in the first 20)

20
16
1
10
26
18
28
2
6
35
33
29
26
35
23
35
17
5
31
4
9
30
23
21
27
15
9
24
21
0
23
3
14
8
19
35
33
3
8
2
3
19
23
29
29
7
14
36
1
9
30
14
24
36
4
30
32
24
24
15

[Celticknits]

Thanks for the reply Celtic!

Could you please check these numbers, They are from today on airball unibet i began betting at spin#23 (23 hit)
just unlucky or did I do something wrong. (I dont play 0 if its not in the first 20)

-777

OK there are a couple of things here and keep in mind this is how I would have played it.

First thing I noticed was a triple hit in the first 20 spins.
To me that means reset to eliminate the first occurance of the triple.
That means I am reseting to set spin #11 as the new spin #1.

The count at spin #20 is not great but also acceptable at 7 +2  and only one repeat in the first 10 spins.
Spin #20 was a non-hit so, as I have said before, I will wait for EITHER two more non-hits in a row or a repeat.
Spin #21 was a repeat so I started betting.

After spin #25 the count is fantastic but we have just had 4 un-hit numbers come so we HAVE TO do a count back.
This is where I screwed up on Denzies numbers the other day. Call it a seniors moment, a brain fart or whatever I completely overlooked it.

I do not know how to explain the countback so that you will understand it easily. Hopefully Notto can explain it.
My way of looking at is that after spin #25 the count is so high that something has to give real soon and we HAVE TO add in those 4 unhit numbers to out bets.
So I bet all of the unhit numbers including single repeats.

This is the resulting payout sheet if done this way.

-Celtic

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UNIBET   1APR16 (777VIC777)

S # R Bet P Stake Won Net Total
1 33
2 29
3 26
4 35
5 23
6 35 R
7 17
8 5
9 31
10 4
11 9
12 30
13 23 R
14 21
15 27
16 15
17 9 R
18 24
19 21 R
20 0
21 23 R
22 3 16 1 16 -16 -16
23 14 16 2 32 -32 -48
24 8 16 3 48 -48 -96
25 19 16 4 64 -64 -160       --- Reset Bet to include all unhits
26 35 R 20 5 100 180 80 -80         
27 33 R 19 4 76 144 68 -12
28 3 R 18 3 54 108 54 42
29 8 R 17 2 34 72 38 80          ----   Wingoal reached (approx. $80-100) reached) so QUIT!!!!
30 2 16 1 16 -16 64
31 3 16 2 32 -32 32
32 19 R 16 3 48 108 60 92
33 23 R 15 2 30 72 42 134
34 29 R 14 1 14 36 22 156
35 29 13 1 13 -13 143
36 7 13 2 26 -26 117
37 14 R 13 3 39 108 69 186



[tuddilue]

-777
...
I do not know how to explain the countback so that you will understand it easily. Hopefully Notto can explain it.
My way of looking at is that after spin #25 the count is so high that something has to give real soon and we HAVE TO add in those 4 unhit numbers to out bets.
So I bet all of the unhit numbers including single repeats.

This is the resulting payout sheet if done this way.

-Celtic

Interesting aproach. I have never seen this countback. Hope someone can explain it more or if you have some link to some other page about it?

So if you should use that on denzie's numbers that should work better or?

[nottophammer]

Two trackers KTF and GUT

[777vic777]

Bravo Celtic! and thanks a lot for taking the time to explain and share.

[nottophammer]

Okay on the KTF sheet Denzie spins 1-10 shows 1 repeat so 9/10. Some agree 15 non-hit in spins 11-30 is fair,some wont.
So 9 plus the avg 15 non-hit in 30 spins 9+15=24.
In the perfect world we could get a non-hit every other spin,so if we achieve the 15 non-hit by spin 39/40 we will have seen the trot/count

I've put the countback in 24th non-hit spins 39/40.
Well you can see the 15th non-hit is well early on the trot/count marked by X. So the trot/count is fast at present time, non-hit are hitting, so the 1X's are growing, growing to repeat

Now the GUT paper tracker.
Do you remember Winkels 13,25 and 37th suggestion of what the trot might be. On KTF sheet is a W 13th spin, on GUT sheet it reads 26-9-2-2, shows trot has been fast to here.
The jackpot average doc shows the avg for non-hit in spins 11-20 is 7 non-hit, in this game you've had 5 on the trot, aren't the 1X's over due.

[nottophammer]

All this is on page 12.
i've marked the 14th non-hit as 15,but you see the trot count by countback.
Like Celtic said the 25th spin is of great interest, why, because at 25th you have the >1x's reading 4, or 21 non-hit have come.
Now Winkel gave info for 37th as possible read of 13/14-13/14-09/10, so if you've read your GUT you would know the only way the >1x's will get to 9/10 is by 1x's repeating.

you would have started betting for the 1x's to repeat but the trot/count stays fast, you get the repeat #18 on the 25th spin. Now you know what the >1x's need its the 1x's to repeat, so you need to include all 1x's, take a look, if you carried on betting the 16 non-hits to repeat,trouble 33and 29 are not yours.
At 30th spin itsstill high non-hits kept hitting. 14+4 is non-hits to fast they need to slow, so the 23,1x's are your bet.
How  do you know the 23,1x's on the KTF sheet you would see only 23 boxes are marked,for some reason i circled of the 7, but they would be the #'s to bet.
As Celtic showed you would make the win target.

[nottophammer]

That GUT tracker is good,gives you the feel of the game, you will understand its all about the 0X's then 1x's and 1x's +>1x's 

[tuddilue]

Thanks nottophammer for the explanation of the countback. I need to read these explanations a couple of times before I understand it!