not being a math guy could anyone explain VdW to me with some egzamples.......Thanks if you care to do so! It seems to be the rage and I want to come to grips with it
Hi tomla . .
Enclosed is a spreadsheet that shows the VDW in operation.
Hope this helps.
Nick
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Thank you Nick!
But what help is it?
I mean, Nick gives this example
BBRBRBR is an AP of 3-5-7
But it was already 2-4-6
Its true, there will be at least 1 AP in 9, but it doesnt predict anything along the way
So what do we do?
R R bet red because it will be as VdW predicts
R we win! VdW was a genius
Wrong.
It was just a 50/50 bet and you got lucky.
There will never be a situation where we have 8 results and only one AP will work
It will be 2, and one is red and one is black
Its a magic trick.....sorry :question:
RRBBRRBB here are 8 with no AP
R gives 1-5-9
B gives 7-8-9
i dont know if it works or not but i have read some pdf on Wan der whatever and the way i see it could be better if we dont go for 3 terms progression once you do that then you will be left with only 5 cases to look for
BBRRBBRR...9
RRBBRRBB..9
BBRBBRRB..9
RRBRRBBR..9
BRBBRBRR..9
RBRRBRBB..9
BRBRRBRB..9
RBRBBRBR..9
BRRBBRRB..9
RBBRRBBR..9
SO NONE OF THE ABOVE spins have arithmetic progression and also spin 9 where we got 2 choises so we can get it as loss...so say if you look for sequence with say 4 outcomes and dont have AP we can bet against that pattern to form without arithmetic progression...just a thought
Iv been staring at VDW formation and reading Pri thread and im not where i want to be with the information but my eyes are definitely opening :twisted:
Remember Pri is only trying to give us an idea of how to play and what to look for without giving everything away. I will share this with you guys and it might help because its what i was stuck on.
Go through a couple of spins and after any W reset and start a fresh set of VDW. Manually is easier to see it as you go along.
VDW is to give you an idea and information...once you have the info you can do with it what you feel is best.
Dear friends
I think you are not starting from the right angle. With all due respect, even the ones who don't understand what this theorem is about, probably know that even if they got it, it wont mean anything in that form. So why are you taking it and trying to build a method (preferably winning) in just several strokes with this, and getting angry and doubtful why it is raised when you see that in this form it is pretty trivial?
And that is stressed few times in the thread.
Quote from: Turner on May 13, 04:51 PM 2016It was just a 50/50 bet and you got lucky.
No, it's amazing - and it's can't be revealed ! lol
Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 13, 05:17 PM 2016Remember Pri is only trying to give us an idea of how to play and what to look for without giving everything away.
All these years on the forum, I can't even count how many times I've seen the same thing - the big secret that can't be revealed.
It's amazing that even after all this time - people still chase the invisible dog around because someone told them it existed.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 13, 05:23 PM 2016
No, it's amazing - and it's can't be revealed ! lol
All these years on the forum, I can't even count how many times I've seen the same thing - the big secret that can't be revealed.
It's amazing that even after all this time - people still chase the invisible dog around because someone told them it existed.
i havent been long on the forum, im more of a lurker. I have seen some of the past stories of HG and how they dont reveal it.
But this hast been the case on top of that we all saw some game play and in the multiplayer app results. I honestly dont think we can compare to the other stories from the past.... just sayin :yawn:
Quote from: maestro on May 13, 05:01 PM 2016can bet against that pattern to form without arithmetic progression
But we cant can we?
There is always at least 1 AP. What could we possibly bet against to make there not be one, when there always is one?
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 13, 05:23 PM 2016
All these years on the forum, I can't even count how many times I've seen the same thing - the big secret that can't be revealed.
It's amazing that even after all this time - people still chase the invisible dog around because someone told them it existed.
And what about your statements lately?
Why couldnt we justifiably call you out for hypocrisy?
Trust me write it down... You will see when you have to bet against!
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 13, 05:23 PM 2016All these years on the forum, I can't even count how many times I've seen the same thing - the big secret that can't be revealed.
It's amazing that even after all this time - people still chase the invisible dog around because someone told them it existed.
Im chasing nothing.
I think its just Hocus Pocus
@Turner sorry maybe i was not clear enough...say we get spins like....RBBR now i will bet 4 times FOR arithmetic progression to form so i will bet BRRB AND IF NOT WIN LAST SPIN IS 9 SO I WILL TAKE THE LOSS..hope it is clear
Quote from: MoneyT101 on May 13, 05:28 PM 2016But this hast been the case on top of that we all saw some game play and in the multiplayer app results. I honestly dont think we can compare to the other stories from the past.... just sayin
I just watched with my own eyes - a man levitate in the air. But no..... Stop being fooled and being made to look foolish.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_rrERsDSQIs
All these years on the forum, I can't even count how many times I've seen the same thing - the big secret that can't be revealed.
It's amazing that even after all this time - people still chase the invisible dog around because someone told them it existed.--TurboGenius
Well said.
Quote from: maestro on May 13, 05:46 PM 2016
@Turner sorry maybe i was not clear enough...say we get spins like....RBBR now i will bet 4 times FOR arithmetic progression to form so i will bet BRRB AND IF NOT WIN LAST SPIN IS 9 SO I WILL TAKE THE LOSS..hope it is clear
or forget VdW altogether and just bet BRRB hoping one will show
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 13, 05:57 PM 2016
I just watched with my own eyes - a man levitate in the air. But no..... Stop being fooled and being made to look foolish.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_rrERsDSQIs
Lmao :twisted: :twisted:
I remember watching that when it first came out. Brought back some memories :thumbsup:
Hi Turner and all . . .
Tomla just wanted an explanation and examples of VDW.
That is what my spreadsheet does.
I am not advocating that the VDW is a winning system, I was just being helpful.
Cheers
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on May 13, 06:21 PM 2016
Hi Turner and all . . .
Tomla just wanted an explanation and examples of VDW.
That is what my spreadsheet does.
I am not advocating that the VDW is a winning system, I was just being helpful.
Cheers
Nick
Nick
Sorry if I made it look that way. I was just showing that there will be more than one most times, and its just luck if you guess it right....it didnt predict anything.
Nick you have always been helpful
Even if the system made no sense you have never judged. Thats what makes the forum great. Instead of slapping people.
Rich
Did you ever see that feature in winkel's GUT where you can "jump back" in time during a game to see if a more better option exists? VdW reminds me of GUT a lot... I need to test how to take previous numbers from back in time to possibly predict what AP is likely to form - particularly where there's a clash with multiple sequences possible. But it also feels like we are betting on different crossings as well...
Quote from: falkor2k15 on May 13, 06:41 PM 2016
Did you ever see that feature in winkel's GUT where you can "jump back" in time during a game to see if a more better option exists? VdW reminds me of GUT a lot... I need to test how to take previous numbers from back in time to possibly predict what AP is likely to form - particularly where there's a clash with multiple sequences possible. But it also feels like we are betting on different crossings as well...
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 13, 06:51 PM 2016
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Lol
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This probably belongs in the Random Thoughts thread but might aswell post it here instead.
After reading some of that thread I decided to follow Priyanka in the Roulette game. I've followed her five times and the results is very similiar as this. It's starts off as a slow game with small wins and small losses and then boom, out of nowhere, she makes 1-5 high wins before she quits for the day.
Honestly, I don't know what to make out of it. The way she's playing in this doesen't resemble the way she's playing in the video, W/L wise.
I can't see how she bets, only knowing what numbers she gets profit from. I'm pretty sure at spin 117 and forth she's playing with dozens with 50$ bets but other than that, I have no clue. Maybe others might see and finds it interesting. If not, than alright.
The + and - is the current BR minus the BR from the previous spin.
Here it is.
Spin # BR Profit Info
1. 4
2. 19
3. 34 33609 -3
4. 28 33606 -3
5. 13 33603 -3
6. 17 33636 +33
7. 15
8. 18
9. 1
10. 29
11. 11
12. 19 33634 -2
13. 29
14. 35
15. 26
16. 0 33631 -3
17. 33 33630 -1
18. 14 33621 -9
19. 11 33618 -3
20. 3 33616 -2
21. 30
22. 25
23. 26
24. 14
25. 10
26. 34 33615 -1
27. 16
28. 16 33613 -2
29. 18
30. 20
31. 15
32. 1
33. 19 33610 -3
34. 5
35. 25
36. 26
37. 25
38. 23
39. 3
40. 4
41. 32
42. 17
43. 13
44. 1
45. 5
46. 23
47. 32
48. 26
49. 36 33606 -4
50. 30 33603 -3
51. 15 33599 -4
52. 22 33593 -6
53. 15
54. 23
55. 8
56. 26
57. 24
58. 9
59. 31 33591 -2
60. 32
61. 11
62. 18
63. 20
64. 0
65. 34
66. 2 33588 -3
67. 14 33585 -3
68. 19
69. 3
70. 14 33618 +33
71. 26 33609 -9
72. 19 33600 -9
73. 35 33591 -9
74. 36 33582 -9
75. 20 33573 -9
76. 31 33564 -9
77. 3
78. 7 33558 -6
79. 20 33588 +30
80. 0 33583 -5
81. 30 33578 -5
82. 21 33573 -5
83. 21 33569 -4
84. 24 33566 -3
85. 14 34166 +600
86. 28
87. 20 35666 +1500
88. 21 38954 +3288
89. 34
90. 13 38966 +12
91. 27 38942 -24
92. 5 38918 -24
93. 3 38894 -24
94. 5 38870 -24
95. 15 38846 -24
96. 19 38894 +48
97. 23 38942 +48
98. 27
99. 2 38930 -12
100. 5 38918 -12
101. 3
102. 32 39506 +588
103. 18 41006 +1500
104. 3 40706 -300
105. 14 41306 +600
106. 6 Comment: She left
107. 33
108. 36 Comment: She came back
109. 31 41303 -3
110. 3 41302 -1
111. 36 41102 -200
112. 8
113. 11 42502 +1400
114. 13
115. 36 45898 +3396
116. 33 45873 -25
117. 31 45973 +100
118. 11 46073 +100
119. 24 46023 -50
120. 30 45973 -50
121. 9 46073 +100
122. 27 46023 -50
123. 11 46123 +100
124. 29 46073 -50
125. 35 46173 +100
126. 0 46123 -50
127. 16 46073 -50
128. 35 46173 +100
129. 6 46123 -50
130. 23 46073 -50
131. 12 46173 +100
132. 21 46123 -50
133. 2 46073 -50
134. 3 46023 -50
135. 32 46123 +100
Quit
Start BR: 33612
End BR: 46123
Celescliff,
Perhaps she's using something similar to Sputnik's March......which never really see drastic fluctuations.......and gets out while she's ahead. :question:
link:://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/sputniks-march/msg44084/#msg44084
Theater of the absurd.
Quote from: The General on May 13, 07:35 PM 2016
Theater of the absurd.
Why do you stay and subject yourself to the absurd then
For fun?
QuoteBut what help is it?
I mean, Nick gives this example
BBRBRBR is an AP of 3-5-7
But it was already 2-4-6
Its true, there will be at least 1 AP in 9, but it doesnt predict anything along the way
So what do we do?
R R bet red because it will be as VdW predicts
R we win! VdW was a genius
Wrong.
It was just a 50/50 bet and you got lucky.
There will never be a situation where we have 8 results and only one AP will work
It will be 2, and one is red and one is black
Its a magic trick.....sorry :question:
RRBBRRBB here are 8 with no AP
R gives 1-5-9
B gives 7-8-9
It's called a "shell game". It's designed to exploit the foolish and ignorant.(link:://blog.newsystemsthinking.com/wp-content/uploads/Shell-Game.bmp)
The shell game (also known as Thimblerig, Three shells and a pea, the old army game) is portrayed as a gambling game, but in reality, when a wager for money is made,
it is almost always a confidence trick used to perpetrate fraud.
Quote from: The General on May 13, 07:46 PM 2016
It's called a "shell game". It's designed to exploit the foolish and ignorant.
(link:://blog.newsystemsthinking.com/wp-content/uploads/Shell-Game.bmp)
The shell game (also known as Thimblerig, Three shells and a pea, the old army game) is portrayed as a gambling game, but in reality, when a wager for money is made, it is almost always a confidence trick used to perpetrate fraud.
What is your purpose of being here
Are you talking to me or the shells?
Since this isn't posted in the nursery, I'm free to comment.
My purpose of posting in this thread is to expose the truth. :)
That's all. :)
Quote from: The General on May 13, 07:53 PM 2016
Are you talking to me or the shells?
Since this isn't posted in the nursery, I'm free to comment.
My purpose of posting in this thread is to expose the truth. :)
That's all. :)
Ok
Cause i am confused as to why you are here.
Thats all.
QuoteCause i am confuseds as to why you are here.
Perhaps you can find an adult to explain it to you. :thumbsup:
Best of luck. :)
Quote from: The General on May 13, 08:01 PM 2016
Perhaps you can find an adult to explain it to you. :thumbsup:
Best of luck. :)
Ah. Ok. Then you definitely wouldn't be the one to explain it if an adult is needed.
P.s. when you end off with "best of luck" I picture a sadistic evil little child.
Quote from: The General on May 13, 07:53 PM 2016My purpose of posting in this thread is to expose the truth.
How dare you !
Don't destroy their dreams.
Imagine if everyone followed jesus and then right before he died on the cross he said to everyone "I'm a fraud - I'm not the savior"
You could have told them all along, but they you would just get stoned probably - and not in a good way lol.
People want to be lied to, they want to believe instead of learning from the truth and facts. The story of the 'holy grail that can never be mentioned in public" is so much more interesting than some math.
(video..... run ! run ! don't reveal the holy grail !!!!)
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=4MwJOnleriM
I did not look in to details with that patterns but my first thought is:
If it is possible to get a pattern of 8 spins that did not form an AP and that would only allow one color (R or B) to finally form an AP in the 9th spin that would be a sure bet. Even if a long wait was needed.
But I expect there are always potential APs for both colores to form otherwise someone else had come up with that before. So just guesswork again?
R.
Quote from: The General on May 13, 07:35 PM 2016Theater of the absurd.
well you are definitely part of that absurdity
Quote from: The General on May 13, 07:46 PM 2016It's called a "shell game". It's designed to exploit the foolish and ignorant.
Its just more condescending tripe. Its just a way you think you can get past the Mods by calling people foolish in a third party guise.
Quote from: The General on May 13, 08:01 PM 2016Perhaps you can find an adult to explain it to you.
Condescending tripe
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Quote from: The General on May 13, 07:53 PM 2016Since this isn't posted in the nursery, I'm free to comment.
You arnt commenting. You are breaking peoples balls in a condescending manner. Steve specifically told you to stop doing this.
Quote from: The General on May 13, 07:53 PM 2016My purpose of posting in this thread is to expose the truth.
No it isnt. Its to show everyone how superior you are in a condescending way
I think its more superiority complex.
Thers a sad trail you have left in the last 8 years, the last 20 different names and the last 8 or so forum bans.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 13, 08:09 PM 2016How dare you !
Don't destroy their dreams.
And you have definatly gone down in my estimation. You are not much better than Caleb.
I looked up to you once, albeit with all your Gamblers Fallacy systems
Dont destroy
their dreams? Who are they? us morons?
I think you are better than that.
I am sick of all this crap. If the pair of you dont stop being so superior without actually saying anything, I will have to read your posts before they get posted.
Both have a huge ego.
Good job Turner :thumbsup:
:thumbsup: Turner, if you were running for president, I would vote for you.
Quote from: Turner on May 14, 07:09 AM 2016Dont destroy their dreams? Who are they? us morons?
I think you are better than that.
I never called anyone a moron.
2 things that I can't stand - scammers who sell nonsense and sucker people into losing their money for their own gain... and people who cheat and lie to people and end up with a 'following' of supporters who will denounce common sense and facts and fight to the death to protect their phony savior.
If you stand at a fork in the road and see everyone starting to run down the wrong path - and no matter what you say or do they don't listen and keep going... it gets frustrating to watch.
As a matter of fact, over enough time you just stop trying and laugh at them. It's just how it works.
So I'll refrain from any comments - the facts don't matter and they aren't wanted either.
People will follow the guy at the head of the line and point to me standing there and say "He thinks he knows everything" and that's all that will come of it. So fine.
But.... I still reserve the right (in the very near future) to post and say "I told you so" - because ignorance doesn't stop until you point it out to someone. At which time, not a single person will say "You were right Turbo, that was nonsense and we were being made fools of - thank you for trying to stop it".
I suppose that's more ego talk as well.
Perhaps the next step is that the savior will "huff off and leave" with a story about how unfair people are - then the anger turns towards the people who told the truth - how dare we do that - now the savior is gone and it's all our fault ! They were just getting ready to reveal the secrets to their holy grail !
You're sick of it ? Think of how I feel - being that my only motive has been to get people going in the right direction and somehow always ending up portrayed as the enemy. This has played out continuously since gambling forums began, it's not going to change.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 14, 08:05 AM 2016
I never called anyone a moron.
2 things that I can't stand - scammers who sell nonsense and sucker people into losing their money for their own gain... and people who cheat and lie to people and end up with a 'following' of supporters who will denounce common sense and facts and fight to the death to protect their phony savior.
If you stand at a fork in the road and see everyone starting to run down the wrong path - and no matter what you say or do they don't listen and keep going... it gets frustrating to watch.
As a matter of fact, over enough time you just stop trying and laugh at them. It's just how it works.
So I'll refrain from any comments - the facts don't matter and they aren't wanted either.
People will follow the guy at the head of the line and point to me standing there and say "He thinks he knows everything" and that's all that will come of it. So fine.
But.... I still reserve the right (in the very near future) to post and say "I told you so" - because ignorance doesn't stop until you point it out to someone. At which time, not a single person will say "You were right Turbo, that was nonsense and we were being made fools of - thank you for trying to stop it".
I suppose that's more ego talk as well.
Perhaps the next step is that the savior will "huff off and leave" with a story about how unfair people are - then the anger turns towards the people who told the truth - how dare we do that - now the savior is gone and it's all our fault ! They were just getting ready to reveal the secrets to their holy grail !
You're sick of it ? Think of how I feel - being that my only motive has been to get people going in the right direction and somehow always ending up portrayed as the enemy. This has played out continuously since gambling forums began, it's not going to change.
I know how to solve this.
Share what is working for you. The most effective solution.
Turbo...Caleb is Caleb.....but Ive noticed you getting more like him. Thats all I meant about you.
Just didnt expect it from you.
Im just a fan of yours...like Bayes, Flatino and GLC
Its not as bad as when a friend.....who was a life long Queen fan asked for Freddie Mercurys autograph and he said " dont bother me with such trivialities"
Nothing like that lol
Im just acting on PMs to myself and "report to moderator".....with a pinch of my own feelings.
Please read "Basics the no one wants to hear" in this forum and the other forum
Please read "Roulette - Random - Predictable" in the other forum or copy/paste it here
Please read "CS System" in the other forum as well or copy/paste it here
I won't hijack this thread any further with my comments - it's supposed to be about VdW - whatever that even is.
Quote from: Turner on May 14, 08:26 AM 2016
Turbo...Caleb is Caleb.....but Ive noticed you getting more like him. Thats all I meant about you.
Just didnt expect it from you.
Im just a fan of yours...like Bayes, Flatino and GLC
:thumbsup:
I'll work on my replies and comments - my goal is not to annoy anyone, I like to have fun though sometimes.
In the end though - I truly believe that people need to learn on their own, not be led around by the hand and
not by giving step by step instructions. Perhaps my creative way of saying "This is the wrong path to be on" needs
improvement lol.
Cheers.
Turbo...many thanks......very much appreciated :thumbsup:
Can I have your autograph then?
Turner, stop being so dramatic. Put on your big boy pants. There's no reason to add more drama to the thread. ::)
It's an open forum. The real world is much harsher than I am when it comes to gambling systems.
And...do you really know how many scammers are working the PM game here?
QuoteI know how to solve this.
Share what is working for you. The most effective solution.
I do.
Quote from: Turner on May 14, 08:56 AM 2016
Turbo...many thanks......very much appreciated :thumbsup:
Can I have your autograph then?
looks for a pen.... wait, I think there's one in the car.....lol
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Quote from: TurboGenius on May 14, 08:05 AM 2016
Perhaps the next step is that the savior will "huff off and leave" with a story about how unfair people are - then the anger turns towards the people who told the truth - how dare we do that - now the savior is gone and it's all our fault ! They were just getting ready to reveal the secrets to their holy grail !
So true. I've seen it time and time again over the years.
Funny how the "teaser" threads always end up like this. I was just checking the forum rules seeing as I've just been made mod again and one in particular stood out:
Quote9. No "baiting", which is where you brag about how great your system is, but you don't share anything except perhaps obscure details that lead people along. The forum is a place for open sharing. If you "bait" people, expect to be banned.
Quote from: Rolletti on May 14, 01:07 AM 2016
I did not look in to details with that patterns but my first thought is:
If it is possible to get a pattern of 8 spins that did not form an AP and that would only allow one color (R or B) to finally form an AP in the 9th spin that would be a sure bet. Even if a long wait was needed.
But I expect there are always potential APs for both colores to form otherwise someone else had come up with that before. So just guesswork again?
R.
I don't think there is ever a situation where just one color has to come up to form an AP. In my opinion, AP is useless when it comes to gambling since there always will be 2 choices
QuoteFunny how the "teaser" threads always end up like this. I was just checking the forum rules seeing as I've just been made mod again and one in particular stood out:
Quote. No "baiting", which is where you brag about how great your system is, but you don't share anything except perhaps obscure details that lead people along. The forum is a place for open sharing. If you "bait" people, expect to be banned.
It reminds me of the Numerista and Enigma Sun Square scam on the old VLS forum. Some of us saw the scam right off, but a high percentage of people were really suckered because of the poor moderation and a lack of common sense.
Now on this forum...they've created a "Safe Zone Nursery" where such posts are not allowed to be criticized.
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 14, 08:33 AM 2016
Please read "Basics the no one wants to hear" in this forum and the other forum
Please read "Roulette - Random - Predictable" in the other forum or copy/paste it here
Please read "CS System" in the other forum as well or copy/paste it here
I won't hijack this thread any further with my comments - it's supposed to be about VdW - whatever that even is.
Hello TurboGenius,
You have been my idol since VIP & GG days. I read everything you posted and tested every system you taught.
I even played some of those system in B&M casinos. You were a very good and patient teacher then.
You answered every question asked and even took the trouble to write software for us to test.
I have read your "Basics that no one want to hear" and "CS" numerous time and still could not understand.
Can you please shed some light so we all at least can learn something from you like in the good old days.
Thanks and regards.
Yeah it's Turbo's fault. He got me into roulette with his damn 50 Max. ;D
QuoteYeah it's Turbo's fault. He got me into roulette with his damn 50 Max. ;D
And...Turbo's the reason some people have taken up smoking. :o
Quote from: The General on May 14, 08:57 AM 2016Turner, stop being so dramatic
Caleb, believe me, I could never care as much as you do that people arnt examining bits of fluff in wheel frets and looking at systems instead.
I really couldnt care less.
But I do care that as a Mod I have to deal with PMs and Mod reports about the superior patronizing way you deal with people.
Its boring and tedious.
I am asking you to stop....or at least try
Quote from: The General on May 14, 09:07 AM 2016
It reminds me of the Numerista and Enigma Sun Square scam on the old VLS forum. Some of us saw the scam right off, but a high percentage of people were really suckered because of the poor moderation and a lack of common sense. Now on this forum...they've created a "Safe Zone Nursery" where such posts are not allowed to be criticized.
A few years ago I suggested that Victor create a roulette game on the forum (like the one just introduced). Apart from being a fun thing to have, prospective system sellers would need to demonstrate that their system actually worked as claimed before being allowed to advertise it on the forum. Of course you'd never see such a demonstration, but that would make the obvious point, wouldn't it?
I don't really understand the purpose of the "baiting" threads. If you have something you believe is a consistent winner why not just post it? Why lead people on a merry dance? It's not as though you need to sell your system by the back door, because there's a seller's section here now, and if you genuinely want to show the way why not just do it without the drip-feed and riddles?
Quote from: Turner on May 14, 09:34 AM 2016
Its boring and tedious.
It does get tiresome, losing the patronizing attitude and snide remarks would help.
Quote from: Bayes on May 14, 09:03 AM 2016
seeing as I've just been made mod again
Congrats !
Quote from: Bayes on May 14, 09:18 AM 2016
Yeah it's Turbo's fault. He got me into roulette with his damn 50 Max. ;D
Love that one !!!!!!!! Still a favorite of mine for various reasons. Glad it sparked your addiction lol.
Quote from: The General on May 14, 09:22 AM 2016
And...Turbo's the reason some people have taken up smoking. :o
LOL - I also provide smoking cessation information - since I smoke, it makes me the perfect person to tell people how to quit... :)
Quote from: sniper on May 14, 09:07 AM 2016
Can you please shed some light so we all at least can learn something from you like in the good old days.
Sure, just start a thread and ask - I don't want to derail someone else's thread more than it already is. And thanks for the kind words. Cheers
vdw is a proven math formula, what I am looking for is people that know how to apply it to gambling and what kind of edge it could produce if any.
This is a discussion not a place for General to regurgitate his theories thatroulette cant be beat by math ---we know his theory I know steves theory I know turbos theory. It is getting like watching someone throw up over and over again. A lot of people have been let out of prison after DNA was found. As turbo says he doesnt even know what the theory is. The general has never read up on it---so stop the nonsense unless you can add to the conversation or can disprove it.....
If anyone plays with this theory a lesson on how its applied would be great!!!
Thanks for the sheet Nick
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Tomola....I made comments im here...what were your views on what I said
See...RTM...is same. Very complex and clever and all that...but as with VdW (which is a statement really not a formula) it always seems to boil down to a decision. Usually 50:50.
VdW: Is the next colour the AP. RTM: Is the SD going to keep rising...or hover...or fall
im not even sure Turner ---thats why im asking
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waerden's_theorem
Quote from: Tomla021 on May 14, 11:04 AM 2016
im not even sure Turner ---thats why im asking
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waerden's_theorem
Tomla - turner is right.
Tomola
As far as I can see there will be at least 1 AP in 9 logic states....0 1 or in the case of non zero roulette...RB
But...I dont see any predictive use.
No one has shown one but one person has suggested there is
Smoke and mirrors
Quote from: Bayes on May 14, 09:38 AM 2016if you genuinely want to show the way why not just do it without the drip-feed and riddles?
Bayes - I take tha cue. And from others as well like turner. If it's not going down well, I don't want to. To be honest all I wanted to do was make people think in a different direction and my job is done. It's for people to decide whether to go that way or not. No more Riddles, not more drip feeding. All good
thanks Turner and Pryanka
now is there any predictive advantage in in that? Or must it be combined with other knowledge?
Tomla021,
I'm not sure if your a believer of GUT from Winkel.. Remember how he explained it and no one really could understand it until they started trying it out for themselves.
Read the first two pages of Random Thoughts explaining VDW and page 2 even goes through a session. Very important session teaches you how to apply it. ( just focus on R/B for now)
I Went through 100 spins using the same way played and I started to notice some way to apply it.
Quote from: Tomla021 on May 14, 11:25 AM 2016
thanks Turner and Pryanka
now is there any predictive advantage in in that? Or must it be combined with other knowledge?
Tomla - there will not be any predictive advantage. The advantage there is knowing that in random everything is defined not in "equal to" but "at least". Vdw says there will be at least one AP, which just means there will definitely be one and there could be more. There is no direct applicability that am aware of. Falkor and money claim that there is one. I urge you to use your own predicament.
I don't belive in this VDM thing, i trusth that each outcome is 50/50 no matter what has happen in the past even if you can caculate odds and probability for each bet.
I mean the dealer throw the 18 mm ivorine ball and will spinning 18 to 28 laps on the ball track in the same time as the rotor moves with its own speed and waiting is 8 deflectors and 37 pockets where the ball will land and stop after hitting randomly on one of the deflectors to jump and randomly hit the rotor to randomly scatter around on the number ring Before stopping in 1 in 37 pockets.
So what does all this math means in reality when you betting, nothing.
You see six reds and it will take 98.5% for it happen again, and it does and who say you will win between does events not falling back to back.
Same with regression towards the mean and autocorrelation where each serie can or will not let you ride the Waves between the extremes.
So what MM is going to save you?
Quote from: Priyanka on May 14, 11:34 AM 2016
Tomla - there will not be any predictive advantage. The advantage there is knowing that in random everything is defined not in "equal to" but "at least". Vdw says there will be at least one AP, which just means there will definitely be one and there could be more. There is no direct applicability that am aware of. Falkor and money claim that there is one. I urge you to use your own predicament.
sorry for the confusion, Pri is right....
no confusion at all!!! I think all of the replys brought some knowledge.....Thanks for all of the replys----more are welcome
Here's the problem:
Right off, anyone with some common sense should be able to look at the VdW and realize that it's utter nonsense when it's applie to roulette. However, what's scary is that some people, actually don't know any better. The forum desperately needs an area where people can learn some basic facts and probability about the game.
General a question for you? what is VdW?
Quote from: The General on May 14, 01:07 PM 2016
Here's the problem:
Right off, anyone with some common sense should be able to look at the VdW and realize that it's utter nonsense when it's applie to roulette. However, what's scary is that some people, actually don't know any better.
K
Thanks for helping
Guess your job is done here now
Everyone please refrain from anything that is not vb
Tomla,
Van Der Waerden Theorem. It has no application to roulette. The Excel sheet that shows the different AP patterns is jibberish.
Here's a link to help you out. Wizardofodds.com Here you'll find some basic information on the game. Once you learn more about it, you can build better methods. :)
Best of luck.
the point being we all know the wizard of odds stats...........if you want to go look please do --it will keep you out of your boredom and give you something to do.......
There's a reason that other gambling game forums make fun of the roulette forums. Let's work to change that by providing links to factual information, basic probability, and the history of the game. This will help members build better systems/methods, and will help them avoid absurd scams. Keeping people stupid serves nobody. The "safe zone" just keeps the prey in a box for the predators.
Super idea General start a Thread on that.....Might be smarter than posting in a topic about Vdm.....Not saying your stupid or anything.....but your topic definatly deserves it's own thread!!!!
Tomla,
I'm sorry if you think I'm condescending to you, but when something like the vdw or the Enigmista/Numerista comes along, I just shake my head in disbelief. The moderators here, like Turner, have done you guys a terrible disservice in order to remain politically correct and liked.
Turner,
Now that Bayes is here, I feel that you should step down as a moderator. You're serving nobody by keeping people naive. Bayes will help propagate factual information, basic probability, and will help suppress the scammers.
Quote from: The General on May 14, 01:42 PM 2016
Tomla,
I'm sorry if you think I'm condescending to you, but when something like the vdw or the Enigmista/Numerista comes along, I just shake my head in disbelief. The moderators here, like Turner, have done you guys a terrible disservice in order to remain politically correct and liked.
Turner,
Now that Bayes is here, I feel that you should step down as a moderator. You're serving nobody by keeping people naive. Bayes will help propagate factual information, basic probability, and will help suppress the scammers.
How dare you
Turner is great
General we know the true odds of the game you lose at the prescribed rate,,,,,,, ok are we done with that yet!!!!!!!! one line and we understand what you have been talking about----please go start your own thread and you can talk and talk about bias etc over here Im curious about others opinions.
you must have been one pain in the ass as a kid
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?board=54.0
New here and not sure where to start? Introduce yourself and ask newbie questions.
Heres a section for the General---if you look thru you will find help on how to start your own thread
Quote from: The General on May 14, 01:42 PM 2016Turner,
Now that Bayes is here, I feel that you should step down as a moderator.
Ok, I'll do that straight away....NOT ! lol
I have a new smite I see...lmao
It just gets to a certain point
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Quote from: The General on May 14, 01:07 PM 2016The forum desperately needs an area where people can learn some basic facts and probability about the game.
There's already a professional systems and advice section.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on May 14, 01:15 PM 2016Everyone please refrain from anything that is not vb
You still arent getting it. Nobody is telling you that you must use vb. But there are people telling whoever is listening, that you can only overcome the unfair payouts by increasing your odds of winning. And again, nobody cares if you just want to play roulette recreationally.
ok
so why CAN'T VDW be used for roulette?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jun 06, 07:42 PM 2016
ok
so why CAN'T VDW be used for roulette?
Of course it can be used... But the only thing it does if you follow it is that you will be playing less spins. The probability of wining in any of the spins you actually play according to the theorem will still be 50%(if playing withouth zero). I have looked at this in many ways, I'm still to understand where is the edge here...
Quote from: vladir on Jun 15, 07:02 AM 2016
I have looked at this in many ways, I'm still to understand where is the edge here...
Quote from: Priyanka on May 14, 11:34 AM 2016
Tomla - there will not be any predictive advantage. The advantage there is knowing that in random everything is defined not in "equal to" but "at least". Vdw says there will be at least one AP, which just means there will definitely be one and there could be more. There is no direct applicability that am aware of. Falkor and money claim that there is one. I urge you to use your own predicament.
Quote from: Drazen on Jun 15, 07:23 AM 2016
Quote from: Priyanka on May 14, 11:34 AM 2016
Tomla - there will not be any predictive advantage. The advantage there is knowing that in random everything is defined not in "equal to" but "at least". Vdw says there will be at least one AP, which just means there will definitely be one and there could be more. There is no direct applicability that am aware of. Falkor and money claim that there is one. I urge you to use your own predicament.
Allow me to be more explicit. I see no direct or indirect applicability. I have tried this with other concepts like the pidgeonhole principle, and we can consider many variants of "facts" - like in 11 spins, 1 colour will come 6 times - All true, but no edge. Alone or combined together, this principles do not change odds in any given spin, they also do not change or help to predict W/L sequences in any way. The only thing I noticed from applying different combinations is that less spins are played, since not all spins qualify to be played.
If someone is actually capitalizing on this to indirectly have an edge, either I missed something along the way, or there is something else in the mix that has not been told.
Quote from: vladir on Jun 15, 07:47 AM 2016
something else in the mix that has not been told.
Yes Vladir, good quote.
You wouldn't imagine how much time I invested in analyzing Priyankas posts. Hundreds of hours. I noticed there are some "keywords" in her parlance which are not that common for all English speakers. Maybe she is aware of that maybe she isn't. I think she can appear with any other nick name and I could tell it is the same person. :P
My line of thought was that maybe she posted something for which I think is still missing, in the past, as we know she likes riddles so much. And my search across all forums led me to some very interesting posts and nick names... At least I consider them interesting. I think I can pin point the exact time when she first time spoke about this. And for that nickname I suspect it could be Priyanka, almost all posts are deleted after that. Very weird. I don't know the exact reason, as I wasnt around then. I didnt knew anything about the game and forums at that time, but it is more then obvious it raised a lot of dust.
Maybe that was forbidden shortcut to the understanding of a riddle. Who knows.
But also may be we have been told the part I think it is missing, we just need to look harder :question:
Just enjoy the riddle :thumbsup:
Drazen
or you just could be wrong Drazen...it did happen in the past...
I already told you guys the answer to this problem - but you missed it.
Quote from: Drazen on Jun 15, 08:12 AM 2016
Yes Vladir, good quote.
You wouldn't imagine how much time I invested in analyzing Priyankas posts. Hundreds of hours. I noticed there are some "keywords" in her parlance which are not that common for all English speakers. Maybe she is aware of that maybe she isn't. I think she can appear with any other nick name and I could tell it is the same person. :P
My line of thought was that maybe she posted something for which I think is still missing, in the past, as we know she likes riddles so much. And my search across all forums led me to some very interesting posts and nick names... At least I consider them interesting. I think I can pin point the exact time when she first time spoke about this. And for that nickname I suspect it could be Priyanka, almost all posts are deleted after that. Very weird. I don't know the exact reason, as I wasnt around then. I didnt knew anything about the game and forums at that time, but it is more then obvious it raised a lot of dust.
Maybe that was forbidden shortcut to the understanding of a riddle. Who knows.
But also may be we have been told the part I think it is missing, we just need to look harder :question:
Just enjoy the riddle :thumbsup:
Drazen
I suspect she was born in India and now working for the Vatican in Rome or Venice - with regular holidays in Dubai! :twisted:
Next week I am on annual leave *exclusively* to build my new VdW machine with dozens, quads, lines, same, different, clockwise, anti-clockwise. I'm designing it to look backwards to past spins for the AP, i.e "backtrack". I'm also making it compatible so that it can be applied across cycle definitions, spins, CW, CCW, wins/losses (and combinations of those). In hindsight of the old "EC + Dozen APs running simultaneously" example that was posted way back in Sep 15, I think we are meant to amalgamate the wins/losses and apply the VdW on wins/losses. However, with cycles, I think we only apply VdW to same/different - possibly to the individual spins as well (same/different/CW/CCW) or a combination of the same/different from the cycles with cross-overs to the individual spins. My simulator will also have the ability to stitch in other bets, i.e. jumping to the lines, where the Random odds seem better compared to what a cycle length has to offer (within a Non-Random VdW framework of course).
Quote from: maestro on Jun 15, 08:42 AM 2016
or you just could be wrong Drazen...it did happen in the past...
You are absolutely right maestro. I dont claim anything of that to be 100% true nor I can prove anything which I suspect. Maybe that is just in my imagination. I am too long around all that and maybe because of that I am starting too see fatamorganas ???
I think Drazen is 100% right. But Priyanka knows what she's doing too (and she knows that we know). However, the majority of people cannot tell that Pri is genuine, and instead suspect she is peddling some conspiracy theory (the sheep - or the free range chickens as I call them - are oblivious to most things). And Pri also knows that the majority will miss the subtleties that Drazen has spotted. At the end of the day, though, Pri is only trying to communicate vital information to those who really want to know, are willing to put in sufficient efforts, and who are intelligent enough to empty their glass to take in new information that overwrites their deepest held dogma. However, she does seem partial to charm and falls a foul in terms of identifying her most worthy candidates - she hasn't yet learnt how to find the right students who won't betray her teachings. I totally understand her position - I just wish she was more friendly and approachable and not so secretive outside of Roulette. I get the impression that she has discovered everything there is to know about maths and roulette - but perhaps she hasn't yet discovered her true self <list aliases here>. >:D
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=T4KgiscwgRU
Here's my analysis of the above video - Priyanka designed it to lose on the dozens! >:D
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Green = correct decisions
Orange = wrong decisions designed to cause losses
As for VdW: it doesn't appear to be used here?
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