This was posted in 2009 on the old VLS forum.
I thought it looked interesting does anyone want to discuss it? It will work best when being for betting either Red or Black
This is a 'up as you win' staking plan.
Look at the 5 last outcomes in the betting registry (of the actual placed bets): You next placed bet should be equal to the number of w's you see in those 5 last spins.
(Note: for the first 5 bets, start with 1 unit and alter your bet based on the number of w's you get.)
Example:
Start with 1 unit
Win
w <-- 1 w, next bet is 1 unit again
Loss
wL <-- 1 w, next bet is 1 unit
Loss
wLL <-- 1 w, next bet is 1 unit
Win
wLLw <-- 2 w's, next bet is 2 units
Win
wLLww <-- 3 w's, next bet is 3 units
Loss
w[LLwwL] <-- 2 w's, next bet is 2 units
(notice how we only look at the 5 last results)
Win
wL[LwwLw] <-- 3 w's, next bet is 3 units
Win
wLL[wwLww] <-- 4 w's, next bet is 4 units
Etc.
Non explosive. Limited to 5 units as maximum bet.
Hi Let Me Win,
Thanks for re-posting stake plan. For the selection could use same idea for EC selection:
RBBBR----->bet 1 on B
R[BBBRB]----> W = bet 2 on B
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 12, 07:37 AM 2018
Hi Let Me Win,
Thanks for re-posting stake plan. For the selection could use same idea for EC selection:
RBBBR----->bet 1 on B
R[BBBRB]----> W = bet 1 on B
A.
Came back to this today...
Did a few real number tests in which it seemed to handle mixed, series, and cross-combo results.
Used mild progression. Started playing with 1u bets - increased stake to 2u when behind 5x stake from highest plus result (-5 from highest bank)
r b r r b b r b b r b r b b b b b b b r r b b b b b b b = +10
r b b r b b r b b r b b b b = +5
b b b b b b r b r b b r r b b b r b b r r b r r b r r b b b b r b r b r b r b b r b b b r r b r b r b r r r b r r b r r r b r r b r b r r
= +5
b r b r r r r r b r b b b b b b = +5
b b b r r b r b b r r b b r r r r r r b b r b b r r r r b b r r b r b b b b b b b r b b b = +5
b b b b r b r b b r b r r b r r r r r b b b b b b b = +5
b r r b b b b b b b = +5
b r r b r b r r b r b r b b r b r r r r b b r r r r r b b b b r b b r r r r b r r b b r r r b b r b r b b r r r b r r r r b b b r r b b b = +5.5
r r b b b r b b r b b r b b r b b r b r b b = +5
Highest Bet = 2u
The first 5 r/b results from each session are tracking bets - bets commence on the outcome of the 6th spin.
:)
Regards,
Atlantis.
Hi A,
Did you just pick red or black and stick with it throughout?
Looks excellent how it handles so many varied games
(USING 1 AND 2 INSTEAD OF W/L OR R/B, IT COULD COUNT FOR ANY EC)
Quick test just to see if I'm getting it right.
Just tried flat betting to start off. Also, I got betting straight from the off
A, would you increase to 2 units when -5?
1 - bet 1u on 1
1 - win , 2u on 1 +1
2 - loss, 2u on 1 -1
1 - win, 3u on 1 +1
1 - win, 4 u on 1 +4
2 - loss, 3 u on 1 0
2 - loss, 2 u on 1 -3
2 - loss, 2u on 1 -5
1 - win, 2u on 1 -3
1 win, 2u on 1 -1
2 loss, 2u on 1 -3
1 win, 3u on 1 -1
2 loss, 3u on 1 -4
1 win, 3u on 1 -1
1 win, 3u on 1 +2
1 win, 4u on 1 +5
1 win, 4u on 1 +9
1 win, 5u on 1 +13
2 loss, 4u on 1 +8
2 loss, 3u on 1 +4
1 win, 3u on 1 +7
1 win, 3u on 1 +10
1 win, 3u on 1 +13
2 loss, 3u on 1 +7
1 win, 4u on 1 +10
2 loss, 3u on 1 +6
1 win, 3u on 1 +9
2 loss, 2u on 1 +6
2 loss, 2u on 1 +4
2 loss, 1u on 1 +2
2 loss, 1u on 1 +1
Hi BW,
I'm not using that staking plan and I track the first 5 outcomes so your results:
1 1 2 1 1 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
would give a profit of +3.
Highest bet = 1u.
A.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 14, 11:28 AM 2019
Hi A,
Did you just pick red or black and stick with it throughout?
Looks excellent how it handles so many varied games
The bet is made on the *dominant* EC from the LAST 5 results on a rolling basis. Fully automatic.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 14, 01:27 PM 2019
Hi BW,
I'm not using that staking plan and I track the first 5 outcomes so your results:
1 1 2 1 1 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
would give a profit of +3.
Highest bet = 1u.
A.
Not sure how you're playing it...track 5 each time and then just bet once?
12112 bet 1u on 1?
22211 bet 1u on 2?
11112 bet 1u on 1?
My game session target is +5
Hope this explains it....
Track 5 results...
1 1 2 1 1 ------- 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST -1
1 2 1 1 2 ------ 2 2 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST -2
2 1 1 2 2 ------2 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
2's dominate so bet 2 = WON -1
1 1 2 2 2------1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
2's dominate so bet 2 = LOST -2
1 2 2 2 1------ 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
2's dominate so bet 2 = LOST -3
2 2 2 1 1------ 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
2's dominate so bet 2 = WON -2
2 2 1 1 2------1 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
2's dominate so bet 2 = LOST -3
2 1 1 2 1------- 2 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST -4
1 1 2 1 2--------1 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON -3
1 2 1 2 1-------- 1 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON -2
2 1 2 1 1---------1 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON -1
1 2 1 1 1--------- 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +0
2 1 1 1 1---------1 2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +1
1 1 1 1 1---------2 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST +0
1 1 1 1 2---------2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST -1
1 1 1 2 2--------1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +1
1 1 2 2 1---------1 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +2
1 2 2 1 1----------1 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +3
2 2 1 1 1-----------2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST +2
2 1 1 1 2-----------1 2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +3
1 1 1 2 1-----------2 1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST +2
1 1 2 1 2----------1 2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = WON +3
1 2 1 2 1----------2 2 2 2
1's dominate so bet 1 = LOST +2
2 1 2 1 2---------2 2 2
2's dominate so bet 2 = WON+3
1 2 1 2 2--------2 2
2's dominate so bet 2 = WON+4
2 1 2 2 2--------2
2's dominate so bet 2 = WON+5 TARGET
1 2 2 2 2-------- END
Highest bet = 1u
A.
I think I make slight mistake :sad2: and the result should be + 4. But hope you get the "rolling" method from the example ;)
Basically, after you've tracked the first 5 results, it is then simply continuous betting each spin... I aim for target of +5. I decide to use a modified gr8player progression with 5 steps - but you can experiment and find one that you're comfortable with. Just use a MILD progression and this method, whilst easy to learn and operate, requires patience and some waiting. Always keep track of +/- at all times.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Feb 14, 02:19 PM 2019
I think I make slight mistake :sad2: and the result should be + 4. But hope you get the "rolling" method from the example ;)
Yes got it mate. Simple when you get the hang of it. Def worth further looks
Seems like it would be easy to code into RX or Excel, good necro post atlantis. :thumbsup:
Atlantis
Are you playing flat bet, or when is the time when you change your bets to 2 units?
Thanks.
Simply great positive progression system
Yes, much better than a kitchen martingale 😂
This Rx code follow the R/B dominant in the last 5 spins. Flat bet. O0
[reveal]
system "Normy EC test system.dgt"
// follow the winner in last 5 hits
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
call "init"
end
call "tracking"
end
// ------------------------------INITIALIZATION-------------------------------
method "init"
begin
copy list [1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16,18,19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36]to record "RED#" layout;
copy list [2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17,20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35]to record "BLACK#" layout;
copy list
- to record "zero" layout
put 0 to record "red count" Data
put 0 to record "blk count" Data
put 5 to record "trigger" Data
set flag "skip1stSpin" to false
end
// ----------------------------------------------------------
method "tracking"
begin
if flag "skip1stSpin" is true
begin
copy last number to record "last spin" layout;
if record "last spin" layout is not found in record "zero" layout
begin
Track Last Number for record "trigger" Data times to record "tracked numbers" layout
end
if record "tracked numbers" layout count < record "trigger" Data
begin
exit
end
clear record "red count" Data
clear record "blk count" Data
put 1 on record "tracked numbers" layout index
loop until record "tracked numbers" layout index > record "tracked numbers" layout count
begin
if record "tracked numbers" layout is found in record "RED#" layout
begin
add 1 to record "red count" Data
end
if record "tracked numbers" layout is found in record "BLACK#" layout
begin
add 1 to record "blk count" Data
end
add 1 to record "tracked numbers" layout index;
end
if record "red count" Data > record "blk count" Data
begin
put 1 on red
end
if record "blk count" Data > record "red count" Data
begin
put 1 on black
end
end
set flag "skip1stSpin" to true
end
[/reveal]
Regards, Normy
Thank you for that.
Is it complicated to add the staking plan?
Thank you, Let me win for reminding me about it.
It's quite good but you need patience.
I had forgotten about this - now why did I forget?? or why would I forget it if it's that good?
I dunno and can't remember.
Hi Normy - good job on the .dgt but I had to REM this line to get it to work...?
copy list
to record "zero" layout
to
// copy list to record 0 layout
Seemed to work oK after that!
I'd also like to check it with the prog too - if possible.
A.
Hi A,
I use the record "zero" to be sure i always get 5 red/blk. (in green)
if record "last spin" layout is not found in record "zero" layout
begin
Track Last Number for record "trigger" Data times to record "tracked numbers" layout
end
This way we wont get 2r +2b + zero = no winner and no bet...
I can add prog if it is well explain, right now, i dont get it.
Regards, Normy
I altered the program line causing the error to:
copy list
- to record "zero" layout;
and it works perfectly now!! :)
A.
Hi Normy,
I use a target of +5
The bet I like to use is series of 5 bets.
Start with: 11111
WHENEVER I reach a new high. I go back to 11111 immediately and restart the cycle of 5 bets.
If I drop 5 'points' behind my current highest bank total I increase the 'points' by +1 unit.
For instance
bet 1 = W +1* restart series of 1's
===================
bet 1 = L +0
bet 1 = L -1
bet 1= L -2
bet 1 =W -1
bet 1 =L -2
bet 1= L -3
bet 1=W -2
bet 1=L -3
bet 1=L -4 now 5 behind highest total - increase bet by +1u
==========
bet 2 =L -6
bet 2=w -4
bet 2=w -2
bet 2=w +0
bet 2=L -2
bet 2=w +0
bet 2=w +2* restart at 1u
===========
bet 1=w +3* restart
===========
bet 1=w +4* restart
===========
bet 1=L +3
bet 1=L +2
bet 1=L +1
bet 1=L +0
bet 1= w +1
bet 1=L +0
bet 1=L -1 now 5 behind highest total - increase bet by +1u
===========
bet 2 = w +1
bet 2= w +3
bet 2= w +5* - target STOP
A.
May i see an example where it go up to 3 or 4 units per bet please.
And the correct line in the code (line 17) should be: copy list [number 0] to record "zero" layout
Regards, Normand
Hi Normy, hi Atlantis,
I'm new to RX, would you be so kind to tell me the shortest way to paste the copy into RX ( Designer/System Editor/...and then ???
would be great and helpful. So many thanks in advance.
Z.
Try this Atlantis
[reveal]
system "Normy EC test system.dgt"
// follow the winner in last 5 hits
method "main"
begin
while starting a new session
begin
call "init"
end
call "win/loss"
call "tracking"
end
// ----------------------------------------------------------
method "win/loss"
begin
if bankroll >= record "HighestBR" data
begin
Put 100% of bankroll to record "HighestBR" data
put 1 to record "Progression" data
put 100% of record "HighestBR" data to record "5 points" Data
subtract 5 from record "5 points" Data
if bankroll >= 5
begin
stop session
end
end
if bankroll <= record "5 points" data
begin
add 1 to record "Progression" data
subtract 5 from record "5 points" Data
end
end
// ------------------------------INITIALIZATION-------------------------------
method "init"
begin
copy list [1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16,18,19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36]to record "RED#" layout;
copy list [2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17,20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35]to record "BLACK#" layout;
copy list [number 0] to record "zero" layout
put 0 to record "red count" Data
put 0 to record "blk count" Data
put 0 to record "5 points" Data
put 1 to record "Progression" data
Put 0 to record "HighestBR" data
set flag "skip1stSpin" to false
end
// ----------------------------------------------------------
method "tracking"
begin
if flag "skip1stSpin" is true
begin
copy last number to record "last spin" layout;
if record "last spin" layout is not found in record "zero" layout
begin
Track Last Number for 5 times to record "tracked numbers" layout
end
if record "tracked numbers" layout count < 5
begin
exit
end
clear record "red count" Data
clear record "blk count" Data
put 1 on record "tracked numbers" layout index
loop until record "tracked numbers" layout index > record "tracked numbers" layout count
begin
if record "tracked numbers" layout is found in record "RED#" layout
begin
add 1 to record "red count" Data
end
if record "tracked numbers" layout is found in record "BLACK#" layout
begin
add 1 to record "blk count" Data
end
add 1 to record "tracked numbers" layout index;
end
if record "red count" Data > record "blk count" Data
begin
put 100% of record "Progression" Data on red
end
if record "blk count" Data > record "red count" Data
begin
put 100% of record "Progression" Data on black
end
end
set flag "skip1stSpin" to true
end
[/reveal]
Zorro, in file editor, click on Files -> New. Then erase all text and paste the text from the Reveal button. Then save the file with the name you want.
Regards, Normand
If you dont want to end the session at +5, add 2 slash (//) at line 24
// stop session
It work fine with live spins from Dublin :thumbsup:
bet 1 = W +1* restart series of 1's
===================
bet 1 = L +0
bet 1 = L -1
bet 1 = L -2
bet 1 = L -3
bet 1 = L -4 now 5x1 behind highest total (+1) so increase bet by +1u
==========
bet 2 = L -6
bet 2 = L -8
bet 2 = L -10
bet 2 = L -12
bet 2 = L -14 now 5x2 'points' behind (-4) so increase bet by +1
==========
bet 3 = L -17
bet 3 = w -14
bet 3 = w -11
bet 3 = w -8
bet 3 = L -11
bet 3 = w -8
bet 3 = w -5
bet 3 = w -2
bet 3 = w +1* LEVEL HIGH so restart
===========
bet 1= L +0
bet 1= L -1
bet 1= L -2
bet 1= L -3
bet 1= w -4 now 5x1 behind highest total - increase bet by +1u
============
bet 2 = L -6
bet 2 = L -8
bet 2 = w -6
bet 2 = w -4
bet 2 = w -2
bet 2 = L -4
bet 2 = w -2
bet 2 = w +0
bet 2 = w +2* NEW HIGH so restart
==========
bet 1 = etc.............
But there might be a better way???? Or even the original way on Page 1?
The last file you asked me to try didn't work for some reason... not sure why. Could not get numbers to appear in RX when pressing 'Spin' after loading .dgt file
Be sure your starting BR is 0, if more than 5, it wont spin... 8)
Got it!
Works now.
A.
To have the progression like you just describe in previous post,
Change this:
if bankroll <= record "5 points" data
begin
add 1 to record "Progression" data
subtract 5 from record "5 points" Data
end
for this:
if bankroll <= record "5 points" data
begin
add 1 to record "Progression" data
put 100% of record "Progression" data to record "temp1" data
multiply 5 to record "temp1" data
subtract 100% of record "temp1" data from record "5 points" Data
end
it start at line 28...
But i got better result the way it was.
See with the new way:
Regards, Normand
Thanks very much. Was trying to curb rising progression.
That first graph is amazing. :)
Anyone else got any progression ideas?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 21, 10:02 AM 2019
Thanks very much. Was trying to curb rising progression.
That first graph is amazing. :)
Anyone else got any progression ideas?
A.
What bet selection are you using Atlantis?
Hi Atlantis,
Assume if u are still at -10, what ur next bet size will be for the next 5 spins pls.......? Thanks
Chris
Imagine in best case you get only two hits in five attemps. And this not in the beginning, maybe after raising the bets 4-5 times. Could this bring to a new high?Then you need a special progression.
Quote from: Winner on Sep 21, 11:53 AM 2019
What bet selection are you using Atlantis?
Dominant colour out of last 5 results R/B.
A.
Quote from: Chris555p on Sep 22, 06:12 PM 2019
Hi Atlantis,
Assume if u are still at -10, what ur next bet size will be for the next 5 spins pls.......? Thanks
Chris
Hi Chris,
Depends.
If you start and get down 5 units from your previous highest bank you start playing at 2u.
So if you are -5 from the get go you increase to 2u
But say you started off winning 3 spin in a row - your bank is +3; you'd need to increase to 2u if reaching -2 (5u down)
If you started off with 15 straight losses (5x1= 5; 5x2=10; total = -15) you would start playing at 3u and would only need to increase to 4u if losses went to -30 (5x1=5; 5x2=10; 5x3=15; total = -30)
I try to achieve +5 then stop.
Any time I get to level high - restart with 1u bets series.
Hope you get it! I might be overthinking it and Like I said there could be a better way...
A.
Quote from: Normy2000 on Sep 21, 09:15 AM 2019
If you dont want to end the session at +5, add 2 slash (//) at line 24
// stop session
It work fine with live spins from Dublin :thumbsup:
Hey Normy,
Is this flat betting only or using a progression (if so which one?)?
Thanks! :thumbsup:
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