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Title: AAIC betting system
Post by: Halba1 on Jun 10, 06:41 AM 2011
How to Play

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Pick a starting bet, this is your range. Suppose $11

If you win, then you decrease the bet by your multiplier.
If your multiplier was $1 then your next bet would be $10.

If you lose, then you increase your bet by your multiplier.

You keep track of how many times you win and how many times you lose.

If the amount of times that you win equals the amount of times that you lose,
then you win that number.

wins = 3  loses = 3  you win $3

To get your final profit, you multiply the wins by the multiplier.
If you were increasing or decreasing your bet by $2, then your final profit
would be (3 wins x 2 multiplier) = $6.00

"If you won your first bet playing any range and can maintain that one
win or more over loses, the system won't lose.
Even if you lose your first 5 bets." - Stan K.

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To All Players - From Stan K

To All Players.

Just a few comments before I email a copy of this system to those who have asked for it.

This system was designed back in 1969 and eventually put on a Radio Shack computer that had no hard drive,

just a floppy disk. Then I transferred it to Windows 3,1using Word Perfect.

Then transferred to Windows 98 and this transfer distorted the order that it was originally written in.

The system and comments were 30 pages. I will try to send you a short form version.

But I do have a copy of the entire system that is printed.

Several years ago I was involved in selling systems for the purpose of contacting players and exchanging ideas.

I started my hobby designing systems when I was in the 8th grade in school back in 1938 teaching students

how to play dice for marbles and have enjoyed the challenge all of my life and at 78 I still enjoy it.

I have also spent thousands of dollars buying systems and recently sold my entire library of systems,

books and software and the reason is obvious.Now to the systems.

I sold with a guarantee and no player has ever asked for a refund. Because, as I claimed:

If you, the player didn't lose 21 bets more than you won PLAYING RANGE 21, you would win.

I am sure that many players did lose 21 bets more than they won, AND I HAVE, TOO.

I have yet to see a system THAT NEVER LOSES! and all the players on these gambling sites haven't either.

If they did, they wouldn't be on these sites. Except maybe to learn.

The beauty of this system is that if you have won more bets than you lost and could maintain it,

BY EVEN ONE BET, YOU CAN'T LOSE.

I will give you a short version below. The system is played in what I call ranges from range 6 to 61, if you want.

I will give you an example of range 11.

To play range 11 you write down the numbers from 1 through 21.

This means that if you never lose 11 bets more than you win, you can't lose.

But of course if you do lose 11 best more than you win you will break a bankroll which is adding bet #11 through 21,

which would be: 11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21 = -176 bankroll.

This of course means that you are betting 1 unit of $1,00.

RANGE 11
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20- 21

Your first bet is 11 if you WIN your next bet is 10. DOWN 1 UNIT ON WINS.
Your first bet is 11 if you LOSE your next bet is 12. UP 1 UNIT ON LOSES.

Now lets say your first bet of 11 won and your next bet of 10 lost.

THE RESULTS OF THIS IS THAT YOU WON 1 BET AND LOST 1 BET.

BUT YOU ARE +1 UNIT AHEAD! In other words as long as you stay in range, you will win 1 unit for every WIN/LOSS.

I usually play range 21. So I would have to lose 21 bets more than I won to keep from breaking a bankroll.

For example I will write some W= wins, L= losses.

Action: W L L W W L L W L W
Bet 11 10 11 12 11 10 11 12 11 12
+ or - +11 + 1 -10 + 2 +13 + 3 - 8 + 4 - 7 +5

You see that you made 10 bets. Won 5 and lost 5. BUT YOU ARE at +5

YOU CAN DO THE SAME AS ABOVE AND WRITE THE WINS AND LOSSES ANY WAY YOU WANT,

BUT HAVE 5 WINS AND 5 LOSSES AND YOU WILL ALWAYS BE 5 UNITS PLUS.

Of course if you lose 6 and win 4, no problem because you can make up the loss

AS LONG AS YOU STAY IN RANGE AND NOT LOSE 11 BETS MORE THAN YOU WON.

Here is another simple example:

Action L L L L L W W W W W
Bet 11 12 13 14 15 16 15 14 13 12
+ or - -11 -23 -36 -50 -65 -49 -34 -20 - 7 +5
THIS MEANS THAT IF YOU MADE A 50 BETS IN ONE HOUR. LOST 25 BETS AND WON 25 BETS. YOU WOULD WIN $ 25.00 PER HOUR.

I HOPE YOU GET THE IDEA OF THE SYSTEM AND

AS LONG AS YOUR BETS ARE ON THE WINNING SIDE AND STAY AT BET 11 OR BELOW, YOU CAN'T LOSE.

There is more to this system, how you can increase your bets to win more, when you are winning.

But this is the basics of the system: TO WIN ONE UNIT FOR EVERY WIN/LOSS.

If you win 20 bets and lose 20 bets, YOU WIN 20 UNITS.

I usually play range 21. Which means numbers from 1 to 41 and the first bet is 21 or range 21.

So I would have to lose 21 bets more than I won to break a bankroll. But sometimes I could increase the high bet loss of

41 to 42 or 45 with my winnings. Lets say I won $100.00. With the winnings I could take a chance and bet 42 and 43.

Then if I won them or more, I could be back to my original range and if my luck holds up, I may return back to bet 21?

PS. This system wasn't found in a cracker jack box and I couldn't guess how many hours I spent on it.
It's FREE and if you use it and win, you may remember me at Xmas time, unless you lose 21 or 31 bets more than you won.

If anyone has and ideas to improve this system, be my guest. GOOD LUCK TO ALL.

Stan K
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: beretta28 on Jun 10, 08:36 AM 2011
Your system is called "WELLS SYSTEM".
It's very old and,as far as I know,it killed more people than the last war.
Are you sure of its effectivness?
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Halba1 on Jun 10, 06:45 PM 2011
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 10, 08:36 AM 2011
Your system is called "WELLS SYSTEM".
It's very old and,as far as I know,it killed more people than the last war.
Are you sure of its effectivness?

it only works if your wins = or > the losses. most people are having more losing bets. it is similar to flat betting but bit better results because of a multiplier effect.

e.g. if you get 10 win, 10 loss, and a unit +- of 2, you gain 20 units.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: beretta28 on Jun 11, 01:36 AM 2011
I insist:it's a very old system,well known by most player.
It doesn't work at all,because sofar no one has found the way to have more wins than losses
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: warrior on Jun 11, 09:34 AM 2011
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 11, 01:36 AM 2011
I insist:it's a very old system,well known by most player.
It doesn't work at all,because sofar no one has found the way to have more wins than losses
i have
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: beretta28 on Jun 11, 10:41 AM 2011
how?
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: warrior on Jun 11, 06:55 PM 2011
my TNT bet does just that.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Halba1 on Jun 11, 07:10 PM 2011
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 11, 10:41 AM 2011
How?

i have also found a way also. see "even chance betting" on the general discussion mimoto.

it keeps winners/losers about even, sometimes ahead. how you may ask? a lot of people are posting various systems like code 4, pattern 4 etc. works by confusing random.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: warrior on Jun 11, 08:50 PM 2011
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 11, 07:10 PM 2011
i have also found a way also. see "even chance betting" on the general discussion mimoto.

it keeps winners/losers about even, sometimes ahead. how you may ask? a lot of people are posting various systems like code 4, pattern 4 etc. works by confusing random.
i agree
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Halba1 on Jun 11, 09:59 PM 2011
Quote from: warrior on Jun 11, 08:50 PM 2011
i agree

yep agreed. only way to end up on the positive is with confusing the confusing randomness of it all..then somehow you are ahead...no martingale required
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Maui13 on Jun 13, 08:37 AM 2011
Could this somehow be applied to Dozens & Columns ???

Regards,
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 02:00 PM 2011
Thanks for sharing this. Very interesting! I wish I could come up with innovative systems such as this..Seems perfect for an even chance bet cycle, especially with the fantastic results that are being made with the "random eater" systems that are being thought up!

Hi Maui, just my thoughts and as you doubtles know im a newbie, but with the dozens and colums, your chances being 3/1 as opposed to 2/1, doesnt that make this systems requirement of at least an even win/lose requirement to profit all the more harder? Or were you thinking of using the range on two colums/dozens at the same time?
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Maui13 on Jun 13, 02:09 PM 2011
@ LuckyLucy

Being a newbie doesn't mean anything. Everyone started somewhere, so technically we're all still newbies ...just at different levels....  :twisted:

Yup.....exactly what you said in your last sentence.Take a progression that works really good, but try and apply it to for example CODE 4. The progression that other guys use is 1,3,9,27 - and I find with a small bankroll initially it makes the heart race ( not a nice feeling for me  :o ) as my currency is about 6.5:1 to the U$....so even small amounts is quite a lot for me.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 03:51 PM 2011
Thank you Maui!  :)

OK! Not sure if ive done this right, I think I have, but if I have then the results using the real wheel data on this site got me to a whopping 76+ profit using Pattern system, im going to try it with the code and some of the other great systems and suggestions on this site, and I know ive only scratched the surface! you guys are fab!


Ok here is my data, hope I make it clear.....
First of all the way I used the progression if I did it correctly was this started on 11 on a loss I went up a level, on a win down a level and finished when I got to one.  the highest level I got to was 13. and of the High and Low combos I didnt get beyond 3 at a time before recording a win and stariting with a fresh set of 9 numbers. Anyway here is the data, I will do further tests!

I do realise this flies in the face of random, but by keeping the pattern system going and using the same betting criteria, just wanted to see how it would hold out with this strategy.

ok here goes:

Bet amount: (W)in/(L)oss     Bank: 500 Chips   
                         
11                      L                          489
12                      L                          477
13                      W                        490
12                      W                        502
11                      L                          491
12                      L                          479
13                      W                         492
12                      W                         504
11                      W                         515
10                      W                         525
9                        W                         534
8                        W                         542
7                        W                         549
6                        W                         555
5                        W                         560
4                        L                          556
5                        W                         561
4                        L                           557
5                        W                         562
4                        W                         566
3                        L                           563
4                        L                           559
5                        W                         564
4                        W                         568
3                        W                         571
2                        W                         572
1                        W                         573

Finished +73 :girl_to:
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Halba1 on Jun 13, 04:50 PM 2011
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 03:51 PM 2011
Thank you Maui!  :)

OK! Not sure if I've done this right, I think I have, but if I have then the results using the real wheel data on this site got me to a whopping 76+ profit using Pattern system, I'm going to try it with the code and some of the other great systems and suggestions on this site, and I know I've only scratched the surface! you guys are fab!


Ok here is my data, hope I make it clear.....
First of all the way I used the progression if I did it correctly was this started on 11 on a loss I went up a level, on a win down a level and finished when I got to one.  the highest level I got to was 13. and of the High and Low combos I didn't get beyond 3 at a time before recording a win and stariting with a fresh set of 9 numbers. Anyway here is the data, I will do further tests!

I do realise this flies in the face of random, but by keeping the pattern system going and using the same betting criteria, just wanted to see how it would hold out with this strategy.

ok here goes:

Bet amount: (W)in/(L)oss     Bank: 500 Chips    
                       
11                      L                          489
12                      L                          477
13                      W                        490
12                      W                        502
11                      L                          491
12                      L                          479
13                      W                         492
12                      W                         504
11                      W                         515
10                      W                         525
9                        W                         534
8                        W                         542
7                        W                         549
6                        W                         555
5                        W                         560
4                        L                          556
5                        W                         561
4                        L                           557
5                        W                         562
4                        W                         566
3                        L                           563
4                        L                           559
5                        W                         564
4                        W                         568
3                        W                         571
2                        W                         572
1                        W                         573

Finished +73 :girl_to:

hi lucy. could you let us know which combinations(high, low, odd? etc), and how you bet thanks. give us a short example cool

my results actually started to go down - i bet like this. so i'm not proceeding with my one anymore.

ROL
     (then bet on below same)
BEL (2 loss, 1 win)

was yours like this? or different.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 05:12 PM 2011
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 13, 04:50 PM 2011
hi lucy. could you let us know which combinations(high, low, odd? etc), and how you bet thanks. give us a short example cool

my results actually started to go down - I bet like this. so i'm not proceeding with my one anymore.

ROL
    (then bet on below same)
BEL (2 loss, 1 win)

was yours like this? or different.

Hi Halba!

Not a problem, happy to share.  Group of nine spins, so the first one for example:
LLH <-------betting against this line after 9 spins
LHL
HLL

bet 11 on it being High, it came in Low   bank 500 -11 489
bet 12 on the second in that line being High, it came in Low bank -12 477
Bet 13 on the third in that line being Low, it came in  low so +13  490

As I've had a win I reset for another 9 spins:
HLH
LHL
LHL

Bet 12 against that top line, first number being Low it was +12 502, res-pin foir another 9 spins.

To be honest I had very few losses as can be seen by  the very few peaks in the line, it could be a one off I don't know, so I will have another test but on the real wheel at Super casino. But I used the same pattern stratergy, and played it with the progression and betting strategy devised by JL and had again very few losses, so looks promising! :)

Lucy x  

Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Halba1 on Jun 13, 05:41 PM 2011
Yes lucy, seems identical to pattern 4. instead of using a progression 1,2,4 units, you are using AAIC range 11 - starting at 11 and increasing 1 unit. the benefits look good, because you can bet higher units when not using a progression(as multiplying progressions can expand a lot from your base bet)

you could even do it on turbo mode like this

HLH
LHL**
LHL***
bet against HLH (no need to spin 9 spins)
bet against **
bet against***
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 06:05 PM 2011
I like your thinking Halba!
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 06:52 PM 2011
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 10, 08:36 AM 2011
Your system is called "WELLS SYSTEM".
It's very old and,as far as I know,it killed more people than the last war.
Are you sure of its effectivness?

Ive looked into this, as I have a thirst for knowledge and i'm sorry to say you are incorrect. Wells system was the Martingale; source Google
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Halba1 on Jun 13, 07:21 PM 2011
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 06:52 PM 2011
I've looked into this, as I have a thirst for knowledge and i'm sorry to say you are incorrect. Wells system was the Martingale; source Google

hi I notice you had a 9 win streak in the chart you put. does that mean you got the win on the very first letter for 9 times in a row? that's amazing but my experience is that that's a rare occurrence, sometimes you will get win on 2nd letter or 3rd letter. but mostly win on the line. if you get wins by 2nd letter, it will decrease the results.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 07:44 PM 2011
Hi again

yes your right, I did keep getting a result on the first line, and first number.  Im currently on Super casino at the moment, doing a range of 1 - 13 bank roll of £100, ill let you know how I get on!
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 09:15 PM 2011
OK here was todays session on the real auto wheel at Super Casino:

Starting bank of £100  Range 1 - 13 starting on 7

Bet      (W)in/(L)oss                Bank
7                W                          107
6                W                          113
5                W                          118
4                W                          122
(To be honest I would have quit at this point, happy with £22 profit, but for the test continued)
3                W                          125
2                 L                           123
3                 L                           120
4                 L                           116
Reset for nine spins or continue to next line? Decided to reset for nine spins.
5                W                           121
4                W                           125
3                W                           128
2                W                           130
1                W                           131

I definitly wouldnt persue this all the way to the end of the range, the longer you are in it, the more opportunity for Random to bite you on the bum!. Once I had hit my target for the session I would exit.  But still very promising. Enough for tonight though, will have a play with this again tomorrow. 
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Halba1 on Jun 13, 09:23 PM 2011
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 13, 09:15 PM 2011
OK here was todays session on the real auto wheel at Super Casino:

Starting bank of £100  Range 1 - 13 starting on 7

Bet      (W)in/(L)oss                Bank
7                W                          107
6                W                          113
5                W                          118
4                W                          122
(To be honest I would have quit at this point, happy with £22 profit, but for the test continued)
3                W                          125
2                 L                           123
3                 L                           120
4                 L                           116
Reset for nine spins or continue to next line? Decided to reset for nine spins.
5                W                           121
4                W                           125
3                W                           128
2                W                           130
1                W                           131

I definitly wouldnt persue this all the way to the end of the range, the longer you are in it, the more opportunity for Random to bite you on the bum!. Once I had hit my target for the session I would exit.  But still very promising. Enough for tonight though, will have a play with this again tomorrow. 


thanks 22 pounds. not bad. i tried that casino, it lags too much on my connection. but it should work most places.

imo random will get you back. it can even give multiple losses(even though you call it correct the lines are not same).
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Red Nickels on Jun 13, 11:00 PM 2011
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 10, 06:41 AM 2011
The beauty of this system is that if you have won more bets than you lost and could maintain it,  BY EVEN ONE BET, YOU CAN'T LOSE

......... huh?  yes if you won more bets than you lost, by even one bet, you can't lose.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 14, 05:00 AM 2011
Well I had one final session last night and it didnt go quite so smoothly. While I didnt lose my bank roll, it was very choppy, sort of win/lose/win/win/lose/win/lose/lose

So maybe the earlier tests were infact luck. Maybe needs some tweaks or more likely this system, doesnt tie in too well with the pattern. I do think it holds promise though and could be applied to another system. Oh well enjoyed testing it :)
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Halba1 on Jun 14, 05:38 AM 2011
yeah it evens out to 50/50. thats why ppl use code 4 and other systems, because they can still be right on the line even if 3/4 are wrong.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Red Nickels on Jun 20, 04:10 PM 2011
I am interested in adapting this method for playing baccarat (mini-bac.)  banker always has a slight edge over player (due to the 3rd card draw rules for banker and player-- which is why the casino charges a 5% commission on winning banker bets) and I want to bet that within 60 hands (about the size of a mini-bac shoe-- maybe a little less) that player won't win twice as many bets as banker as this would be very unusual for most shoes.  so the idea is I would be betting banker every hand and would pay .25 every $5 won.  I want to play range 20 because I am betting that player won't reach 40 outcomes while banker only reaches 20 outcomes within 60 decisions.  if I understand the system correctly, as long as player doesn't win 20 more bets than banker within 60 hands (player 40, banker 20), I should be safe if I use the money management system called for, correct?

before I can test this out (with a simulated baccarat game), I need to understand how much I would actually be betting every hand.  where I can play mini-bac the minimum bet is $20 and you have to increase or decrease bets in $5 increments (because that is the only way the casino will keep track of commissions owed where I could play-- .25 per every $5.)  so, if I am to adapt the system to single units and every unit is $5, the beginning of the range would have to start at 4 (units= $20), correct?  and if I want to use a range 20 do I have to go up to 30 something and start at 19 or 20 ($100 starting bet) and the bust-out would be around $3000? (starting at 4/$20, 5/$25, 6/$30 etc all the way up to around $170 or so final bet.)  at these bet sizes I expect that the system will win a few hundred every shoe for many shoes till the unusual shoe comes around where player outnumbers banker 2 to 1 so if that is the case I am willing to bring 3K to the mini-bac table every time (if the expected wins will total more long-term than the occasional bust-out.)

electronic baccarat games will deal hands in actual baccarat expectation and deduct the commission on winning banker bets (or one could follow live baccarat online, but the electronic games are easier to control for testing purposes.)  I want to test the system with a range 20 but right now I am getting lost as to where the range of units should start and end for my purposes (which I would multiply x 5 to get actual dollar cost-- start at unit 4?) and where would my first midway bet start at in units and US dollar cost? (then I'll figure out what the bust out cost is.)  I want range 20 (or whatever works to bet that player won't reach 40 and banker will only reach 20 within 60 hands) and my constraints are that the the  minimum bet has to be $20, and I must increase or decrease my bets in $5 increments only (happy to pay the 5% commission if I am leaving with profits.)  if I could get some help in how to start testing this system with these constraints so I would know what I would be in for and what the actual bets would have to be if I was to play mini-bac this way, I would appreciate it.  thanks!  (hey, it could be the holy grail we're all looking for!)

to summarize my question, if I start out at 4 units, what is the last unit in the range and what is the midway unit value I start betting at for my first bet, if I want to bet that the side I am backing won't lag behind more than 20 decisions, and if I have to start with a minimum $20 bet and can only go up or down by $5 each bet?  and/or is there another way to play this system with these constraints?
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Tomla021 on Jun 21, 12:19 AM 2011
mr nickels don't worry just go do it---winning is possible with bumps
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Red Nickels on Jun 21, 08:24 AM 2011
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 21, 12:19 AM 2011
Mr nickels don't worry just go do it---winning is possible with bumps

.......... I don't know what that means.

apparently the statement in the description of this system that says if you bet for example range 11 "This means that if you never lose 11 bets more than you win you can't lose" is not true or else I am just not understanding what that means, and apparently the poster of the system even thinks it's a bit of a scam and not a good system so I don't even know why the system was posted, only to waste my/our time thinking about it (I could post hundreds of bad systems or point to links of hundreds of bad systems and/or you could find hundreds or thousands of bad systems at these message boards-- or shall we say well-intentioned but misguided systems that unfortunately will not work-- but if you already know a system is no good, why post it??  well to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe it was determined after this system was posted that it apparently does work as described or just was not a good system for whatever reasons.)  (like most all of them, unfortunately.)
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Red Nickels on Jun 21, 05:53 PM 2011
Ok I am going to answer my own question (since no one else will.)  to adapt this system to baccarat, where my minimum bet has to be $20 and I have to increase or decrease bets in $5 increments, to bet range eleven I will write down the numbers 4 (x5=$20) to 24 (last bet is $120), and my starting bet will be at 14 which means 14 x 5= $70.  betting banker only, if in 20 hands I win 10 bets and lose 10 bets (which is likely) this system will deliver a profit.  now what can't happen is that I lose more than 11 bets than I won  or I will lose the bankroll required which in this case totals $1470 (20+25+30.... up to 120.)

could someone answer the following question?-- does that mean that:

if I have already lost 10 bets (won 10/lost 10), I cannot lose even one more bet  (total 10 bets won and 11 bets lost to bust-out), OR does it mean that I would have to lose 11 more bets  to bust out (total 21 bets lost, 10 bets won to lose)?

if my bankroll busts by winning 10 and losing 11 then the system is worthless.  if the bankroll busts by winning 10 and losing 21 then I am not quite ready to give up on this system, because the banker bet has a positive mathematical expectation over the player bet, thus the system could possibly be utilized for betting on banker only.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 21, 11:35 PM 2011
Quote from: Red Nickels on Jun 21, 05:53 PM 2011
Ok I am going to answer my own question (since no one else will.)  to adapt this system to baccarat, where my minimum bet has to be $20 and I have to increase or decrease bets in $5 increments, to bet range eleven I will write down the numbers 4 (x5=$20) to 24 (last bet is $120), and my starting bet will be at 14 which means 14 x 5= $70.  betting banker only, if in 20 hands I win 10 bets and lose 10 bets (which is likely) this system will deliver a profit.  now what can't happen is that I lose more than 11 bets than I won  or I will lose the bankroll required which in this case totals $1470 (20+25+30.... up to 120.)

could someone answer the following question?-- does that mean that:

if I have already lost 10 bets (won 10/lost 10), I cannot lose even one more bet  (total 10 bets won and 11 bets lost to bust-out), OR does it mean that I would have to lose 11 more bets  to bust out (total 21 bets lost, 10 bets won to lose)?

if my bankroll busts by winning 10 and losing 11 then the system is worthless.  if the bankroll busts by winning 10 and losing 21 then I am not quite ready to give up on this system, because the banker bet has a positive mathematical expectation over the player bet, thus the system could possibly be utilized for betting on banker only.

I don't know enough about this syst3m to know. Although I'm sure this progression has a lot of promise. Good luck :)
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Red Nickels on Jun 21, 11:52 PM 2011
Quote from: LuckyLucy on Jun 21, 11:35 PM 2011
I don't know enough about this syst3m to know. Although I'm sure this progression has a lot of promise. Good luck :)

........ that's weird because it looked like you were the one testing it in this thread.  well I was just looking for a quick answer but obviously the only way to find out was to check it myself what would would happen which I did.  in a typical series of 10 bankers and 10 players interspersed within 20 hands, including some chops and runs on both sides, just randomly picked, I came out +$50 (without calculating in the 5% commissions-- yet) and the next bet if I lost (a bet of $65) would obviously not deplete the entire bankroll, in fact if I lost the next 10 bets in a row it would not deplete the bankroll required for range 11 (4 to 24, startig at 14/$70).  I will be testing this system more for my "banker only" bet.
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: LuckyLucy on Jun 22, 01:30 AM 2011
Hi 
Yes I did do 3 tests.2 positive one negative.  O am new to roulette though and nothing about baccara so don't feel knowledgable enough to comment. Will be interested to see how you do. Good luck.

Lucy
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Red Nickels on Jun 22, 09:06 AM 2011
Baccarat is one of the easiest games in the casino to play and it is one of the best games in the casino to play because of the low house edge.  if you do some basic research on the game you will find all the stats and why the banker bet has a slight edge over the player bet.  you do not even need to understand the rules if you play mini-bac as the dealer will handle all the cards, all you have to do is bet banker or player (or tie-- which won't affect your bet on banker or player.)

here is how this range system worked on the following 20 outcomes with 10 bankers and 10 players:

B P B P P P B B P B B P B P B B B P P P

to convert playing this system to a starting bet of $20 with $5 bet increments up or down as would be required when playing baccarat, for range 11 you would start at 4/20, 5/25, 6/30 etc. on up to 24/120 and the starting bet is 14/70 and the total bankroll required to stay in the game is $1470.  anotherwords the number to the left of the slash is where we go up or down if we win or lose the bet (down one if we win, up one if we lose), multiplied by 5 which equals the actual dollar amount to be bet which is on the right side of the slash.

you would lose the $1420 if you went all the way down to the minimum bet 4/$20 due to several wins in a row, and then lost the next 21 bets in a row.  but I have not researched and tested the system enough to know if that is the only way to lose it all (probably not.)

so playing the above typical run of 20 outcomes, would go as follows, betting on banker every hand, showing decision, bet amount called for in dollars won or lost on left side of slash, and running total on right side of slash, and commission owed in parens:

B +70/70 (-3.50)

P -65/5

B +70/75 (-3.50)

P -65/10

P -70/-60

P -75/-135

B +80/-55 (-4)

B +75/20 (-3.75)

P -70/-50

B +75/25

B +70/95 (-3.50)

P -65/30

B +70/100 (-3.50)

P -65/35

B +70/105 (-3.50)

B +65/170 (-3.25)

B +60/230 (-3.00)

P -55/175

P -60/115

P -65/50

so we end at +$50 but commissions totaled $28.50 (ouch!) so actual profit would only be $21.50.  actually it might be better to bet on player only since the banker bet advantage over player is minimal (about 1%).  (For every thousand hands, Banker is expected to win 459 and Player 446. The other 95 are Ties.)  or you could use a pattern bet selection if you think it will do you any good-- there are endless baccarat systems based on patterns-- just like roulette-- but my opinion is that it's better to let random come to you than to try and chase random (anotherwords just bet one side of an even chance, to get the expected percentage of bets that will be won and lost.)

anyway, at this point our next bet on banker or whatever we decide to bet on would be $70, so we are back at our midway bet and if we were to lose this bet and the next 10 bets in a row we would lose the rest of our bets which would be a $1045 loss (not good!).  well just thinking out loud.

it would be great to find someone who could write algorithms and program the system to see how often it would be expected to bust out vs accumulated profits, etc.  and ofcourse it could be tweaked to establish win-goals and stop losses etc.  so there it is, in case anyone's interested in pursuing this further...
Title: Re: AAIC betting system
Post by: Red Nickels on Jun 22, 10:13 AM 2011
PS-- this thread is not about Bet Selection and I feel it should be moved to the Full Systems section or the Money Management section.  Because this is a money management system for betting on the even chances.

also I would mention 2 more things--

1) even if the bet minimum is $20, you are allowed-- at least where I can play-- to bet both on banker and player at the same time!  this is very good, because if you really only want to place a $5 bet on banker or player, you have only to bet $25 on the side you want to back, and $20 on the side you don't want to  back, and unlike roulette, you cannot lose both bets (so I can rework my units to dollars conversion and make smaller bets.)

2)  I also found out that my closest casino now has no commission baccarat!  that is good news too.  so why not bet banker every time?  because if the cards come up a certain way, you will not lose but you will not get paid for your winning banker bet-- and this only happens a couple times per shoe (and they have added a side "dragon bet" that pays 40 to 1! if the cards come up a certain way.)