Hi everyone, I thought I'd start a blog and share my results. Currently I'm on a winning streak, let's see how far I can go.
My first goal is to win back all the money I have lost in online casinos, which was about â,¬540 or $740 in mid November. I play in euro, so I'm going to use that as a currency.
About my recent history, in September I lost about â,¬143, in October an other 32, then I started winning. At the moment I play with 0.10 units, and I've just raised my daily goal from 100 to 200 units.
Here's a graph from November:
(link:://i.imgur.com/sLbhjXm.png)
And this is December so far:
(link:://i.imgur.com/0aJJd6W.png)
Need to win â,¬172 more, and I'll be about even online. And soon I have to decide how much I cash out, because I can still lose everything. It's giving me a hard time, because a cash out would set me back 2 months. If I'd kept the money in my account I could raise the stakes and win even more, but with a huge risk of losing everything.
Good luck everyone!
Thanks for sharing ATI.
We're all pulling for you to win back everything you lost and much, much more.
Please do keep us posted.
At some point telling us how you're playing would be interesting. Dec's graph looks pretty promising.
It should peek BudskiiHD's interest.
GLC
It's over...... I could kill myself at the moment......everything was going perfect, then I lost it again.
I had a very unlucky series of numbers in today's session, and I had to bet over 1000 units, and that still wasn't enough to cover the losses.
I got mad, raised the stakes, and lost about 6000 units total.
I have two options now, cash out the remaining 3000 units, or start playing 24/7 and try to get back where I was. One thing for sure, next time I play, I will not have win goals, I'm gonna win as much as I can. What's the point of having 100 units per day win goals, when one loss is in the thousands?
It's too hard to accept a loss if I win every day. The same happened to me all the time when I was playing poker for years. Almost every day was a winning day, so I was unable to accept a loss when it came.
Do not get discouraged ati, no separations in your endeavor. If we can help let us know. :thumbsup:
ATI
You seem out of control. Sounds like a compulsive nature...
. Forget the big loss. Its not the problem. If you try to address this problem right away you are doomed.
The problem is the exact moment you left the tracks. Pinpoint this exact moment. You know when it was.
Adress this and get stable first.
This is just my opinion
This is exactly why I wanted to cash out. There is always a chance I lose what I have on my account.
I think maybe I should keep only around 400 units, and that would be the stop loss. If I lose it, I quit for the day. There would be no win goal, I'd win as much as I like, and take out the winnings every day. Only one problem here, they charge 10% for a cash out under about 800 euro. Player to player transfer could be a solution, but I guess it's not legal to have multiple accounts.
ati - Playing with 0.10 units would surely mean an RNG game ? The interactive game program is pro casino so up to a point you are allowed to win. Then as you painfully found out you got hit hard. I think you are on the "wrong train" with RNG.
Even on 1c slot/poker machines players still lose a lot of money.
Like many I subscribe to live dealer play because it's true random. Sure it costs more but worthwhile saving up a decent bankroll. Costs more but usually you can win more. It has a higher critical mass. Betting, unless you are just playing for self amusement, should relate to every day costs, especially wages/salaries/living costs.
There's plenty of MM (money management) advice on the forums. 0.10 units on RNG seems like a cheap way to play but over time because it's the casino that's the consistant winner not many can make regular profits = Win more sessions than lose.
As to getting "mad" & losing you need to develop your play to take that part out of your game. A stop loss (SL) is also a great tool. Have it like the stock market where investors sell when the price is going down & it hits a predetermined level. For betting you could have your SL set at 10 - 20 %. There's nothing wrong with stopping play & coming back hours later or another day.
Your new post just came through as I was finishing my typing. The casino you are using has too many hoops for you to jump through.
I'd be looking at alternative casinos such as Dublinbet, Lucky Live, Smart Live, Party Casino for starters. There's others mentioned on the forum but I can't remember them just now.
You are correct to say multi accounts & cross player transfers are banned.
Quote from: ausguy on Dec 19, 01:11 PM 2013
You are correct to say multi accounts & cross player transfers are banned.
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JUST curious...how does one actually do that?
vundarosa
I could kill myself at the moment
Before you do, please remember that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
You might want to consider taking a break...
TwoCat
Vundarosa - With on line casinos & their ID requirements I think it would be rather difficult to have multiple accounts. Like you have to prove your address & that it fits your bank account plus things like a passport or photo image type drivers licence. Then they have access to your computer address plus they only allow 1 a/c per house hold. Also they have law enforcement with worldwide links, Interpol, Federal/State police. Regulators are very serious about money laundering.
What's the advantage of multi accounts anyway ? That is for the average player ? Crime syndicates may try & scam some casinos ? It can't happen all that often as I don't recall any news about multi a/c crimes ?
Cross player transfers just doesn't happen as the casino accounts people just won't do it.
All this is in every casinos Terms & Conditions that I've seen.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 19, 01:53 PM 2013
I could kill myself at the moment
Before you do, please remember that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
You might want to consider taking a break...
TwoCat
Don't worry, I'm not gonna commit suicide, especially not over a couple hundred euros. I just wanted to indicate how pi**ed off I was. :) And that comment was written the minute after I played. That's what I usually do after a loss, open up a forum, and complain about everything. I can't say a word to people around me, I don't wanna hear bs like I have gambling problems, I will never win, I will lose everything, etc.
Dear Ati,
I'm sorry for the bad streak that caused your weakness to surface. I'm sure it's revealed its ugly head before.
My brother, Nathanael, has the same problem. When he has a really bad streak and he gets this all or nothing mentality. Many times he will win big right at the end of his bankroll. That's bad because the memory of those wins causes him to go crazy and risk it all, every time, in hopes of hitting another lucky win just before tapping out. I can tell you that he's lost every dime he's ever invested in gambling because he plays to either win a ton or lose it all. Even when he wins a ton, it's only temporary because he's never satisfied.
I can't tell you how many times he's come up with a good plan of attack, to play within certain parameters. He does good while he's winning, but as soon as he gets that streak from he!!, he loses it. It's like he's under some kind of hypnotic spell and can't stop. I'm not saying you're as bad as he is, but even close to him is bad. His only saving grace that he's been able to keep his losses to money that he's set aside for entertainment purposes.
He has two hobbies. Golf and gambling. Both expensive.
My advice. Cash out the remaining 3000 units and stop gambling.
There's a trigger in you that can't be controlled, at least not at this time, and you never know when it will flip on. When it does, it controls you. I'm surprised that you pulled up before losing everything. That does show that there's hope.
Believe me when I say that we're all concerned for you. Most of us have been where you are. Chasing bad money with good money. It's a real wake-up call.
Our dear friend Bazeegar almost crashed and burned completely, and had to turn from gambling, permanently. We were all concerned for him and hope he's hanging tough.
Maybe you feel this advice is over-the-top for you. Better over-stated than under-stated.
Good luck my friend,
GLC
I just read your last post. I'm glad it's not as bad as we thought.
Cheers,
GLC
It reminds me of a Cheech and Chong skit where they're driving down the highway and getting stoned our of their minds and Cheech sees a vehicle coming up on them with red lights flashing. He panics and tells Chong it's the cops, "help me drop this acid, snort this coke, shoot up this heroin, etc... As soon as they have taken most of their drugs, the vehicle speeds passed them and Cheech say, "It's just an ambulance, man. Light up another one".
Of course, those were the old days. Back in the 60's and 70's when I was in "the valley of the shadow of death".
GLC
Quote from: ausguy on Dec 19, 01:11 PM 2013
ati - Playing with 0.10 units would surely mean an RNG game ? The interactive game program is pro casino so up to a point you are allowed to win. Then as you painfully found out you got hit hard. I think you are on the "wrong train" with RNG.
Yes, it's rng. But this time I don't think that I was cheated. Nothing extraordinary happened, just a bad series of numbers came, and with progression, the bet size went up to the sky. Eventually I hit, but after the win I was still down couple hundred units, and that's where the disaster started. I kept betting big, and lost again and again. I played the same way I did every time, and it worked in a hundred session before, and I wasn't prepared for such a losing streak.
I don't know why, but for some reason I want to prove that rng can be beaten. RouletteMaster showed some really nice winnings, and I feel that I can do it too. I don't want to go in details about the way I play, but I studied the rng at this casino and my conclusion is that it's somewhat predictable. I was able to win about 8000 units with inside bets only. Could have been luck, but I'm still confident I can do it again.
Thanks for the kind words GLC! Fortunately no matter how much I lose or win, I never had a feeling I would be addicted. I could stop playing anytime. I started playing roulette again recently, last time I lost $500 and didn't think for a second that I have to win it back. I didn't even play after that for almost two years. I always play with money I can afford. Actually this was the first time I deposited from my bank account, all my previous plays were funded from my poker winnings.
ati - re: your post #14 I have a different view than you on the outcomes of your losing session mentioned there.
"Nothing extraordinary happened, just a series of bad numbers came...... and the bet size went up to the sky "
RNG has bet avoidance programming. For you to lose the hit number must be one that you don't have a bet on.
The casino has it so they win not you. What I mean is that they don't win every time but long term they prevail.
I'm assumming that the Casino RNG you played at has multi terminals & so other players betting as well ? It's possible/probable that when you were winning other players were losing ? Equally valid would be while you were losing large other players were winning.
Vegas Star is a very common RNG game in casinos. Made to look like real play with HD dealer graphics on a large screen. Closer examination reveals 3 dealers rotated regularly. Fine observation shows that the wheel always gets spun from the same 3 or 4 positions & they get away with it as the ball is always on the centre spindle before every spin. The spins are shown to replicate a real wheel but just before the drop the video changes from the front on view to an overhead view. It's here that the con is complete because they have a bank of all the possible spins so they just show the one that they want.
It's in their own interest to have players win from time to time so they come back thinking they can "clean up" just like you thought.
Then when you started betting big and so chasing losses the RNG went into a "FEEDING FRENZY" & took you to the cleaners.
Why don't you try a different approach and play the live wheel on a play/test basis ? You could play Rapid Roulette (If they have it) that has same type of screens
as RNG but live dealer spun wheel. Yes costs more money as min. is a lot higher than 0.10 units but the true random may show better long term results ?
Also you could try a live dealer on line casino.
Another roll gone goddamnit!! Why the fuck does some unreal shit always have to happen... I was playing very safe slowly building my roll steadily with 1-3 cent units!! I just did my usual bet on one number with progression, started with 2 cents. Guess what?? 267 spins wasn't enough to hit!! Costing me 400 Euro. Every time it worked before, even if I had to wait 100 spins I was only down like 5 Euro, but after about 200 spins, the progression got out of hand.
This time I will not start to rebuild again from cent to cent, I will try to win big!
Ati - This is what RNG does. You're crashing & burning way too much. If you drew your sessions on a graph (from what you say) the line would 1st ramp up & so show a profit. Then it would start down hill eventually going into negative territory & so HAVE YOU IN THE RED = NET LOSS.
For starters I suggest you take a step back & stop betting how you are. Then, when in a calm mood (usually after a good nights sleep & a nice breakfast works well) have a careful read of the posts on this WAY BACK thread. Then perhaps look at some other forum threads that show better results than you have been getting.
As I said previously "I think your on the wrong train here" (as in RNG). Even off small change minimum bets of 0.02 (1 unit) you got to - 400 Euros. 400/0.02 = 20,000 units.
Why do you keep donating your good money to the casino ?
Using BetVogager RNG as an example (I have never played it). Many Moons ago there were discussions relating to no bet spins on the game (I think it was important for bot/auto play ?). I think initially the game permitted this ? Then that was blocked. To get around this I think players then bet on both opposing EC choices EG RED/BLACK. Then this was also blocked, as was opposing inside bets ? So to play it then needed a bet(s) for every spin.
The exact accuracy of the imformation is not important here as what I'm getting at is the game program is tweaked/fine tuned, as necessary, so that the casino maintains its profit advantage over most of the plays. It's highly likely that the RNG program not only "watches" your in play balance but also reacts to your past results ?
Processing speeds what they are these days it would all be done in micro seconds = as soon as you press the spin button.
In other words (electronically) there's a little man inside the game pulling the levers. He always has one eye on your bets and the other eye on the cash for the casino score board. When the casino needs more money the only place they can get it is from the player(s). So the little man pulls his lever so that the drop number misses your bets & allowing another winner for the casino.
You might be right, I don't know. The thing is, I can't get use to the live wheel because of its slowness. With rng, I can play >200 spins/hour. I really did use 1-3 cent units, and I averaged 30 euro/day profit, with a maximum of 3 hours of play. It would be impossible with a live game, and the most important thing is, I did not have to wager much to achieve this win rate. For live play I would probably need a lot more time and a bigger roll. I can't afford to deposit 5-6k, that's a yearly wage here.
Ati - You have conflicting pathways here. 1. You have an affordable RNG betting play that was winning but has since been losing. 2. You have an income structure that may be 6 to 10 times less than some Euro countries (eg Germany, France, Holland) ? 3. For live play you may or may not need more time & yes the bank roll would need to be bigger but heaps less than the 5 - 6k you suggest ?
As it would seem that 30 Euro WON per day x 5 days = 150pw x 52 =7,800, probably more than adequate for your part of the World ? As your bank roll builds your options expand.
As an example playing at Live Dealer Party Casino on an even chance or dbl doz &/or col. strategy (or some others) you only need 15 (x2 Euro min.) NET wins to have 30 Euro profit. Say your strike rate is about 50% (the spins are around 1 per min.) Then 30 min. gives you 30 Euro (obviously only if you win).
A basic Marty on Partys 2,000 limit could give you up to 10 bet levels & 1,534 needed = total risk & req'd BR. Wind it back to L7 needs 254 & L8 510. As you've already mentioned losing 400 Euro then L7 or L8 should be in your affordability zone ?
The main thing that you need to consider is to unlock your single focus/single play game that you now have & test/try some other plays. Even baccarat or almost even chance sports betting (92 - 95% returns), either odd or even final scores (bet provider search req'd, I use IASbet) such as NBA USA basketball comp. or the heads or tails coin toss in some cricket games.
If you don't change then nothing changes. The final option to 100% stop your losses is to NOT PLAY at all. Then that's nothing risked nothing gained & back to your pre bet life.
I started to test live play with playmoney at supercasino.com. If anyone have a better idea where to play, please let me know. Dublinbet is no good because of the 30 minute limit.
I'm in Eastern EU by the way, and I'm fortunate enough to make a little more since I sometimes work in Germany. I just don't want anyone to think I'm a broke gambler.
Ati - The best casino, I've found, to test on is Smart Live Casino. The free play is linked to the same money bet wheel & they give you 1,000 play money to play with.
I don't think they have any time limit, I've tested there for ages in the past ? The spins are slow at one per 2 minutes because of the extra phone betting option which is seen on Skychannel TV. A big help is the recent spins history of 185 results. The dealers/presenters talk a lot, keep your sound low & that's ok.
I have an account with them & they pay out with no dramas (3 business days) as long as your IDs are OK.
Maybe not a broke gambler ati but certainly a lot of emotion/anger going off your earlier posts. Being pizzzd off all too often can affect your bet choices. Sticking to your bet plan/sheet can help self discipline & in play calmness.
Thanks for tip. I know I have tilt issues and I'm trying to work on that. I'm glad this time it wasn't my fault I lost my roll. I mean I didn't lose because I suddenly started betting with 10-20 euros. I steadily increased my bets to cover losses until I couldn't place a new bet. I didn't think a number would sleep for 300 spins. I wasn't angry while playing but I was very nervous when I saw that I can only place 15 more bets and I'm done.
Wow, I think I had my first misclick, and I got very lucky. I didn't hit for a while, and with progression, my bet has grown quite big. After I hit, I clicked rebet to see again how big my bet was, then I wanted to click clear, but I accidentally clicked spin....and the last number repeated.
I just had an idea of playing EC's, jumped right into real money to test it on colors, but BV can always make fun of me. ::)
Luckily I didn't use progression, so it's not disastrous.
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There was a Wesley Snipes older movie on the TV the other night, PASSENGER 57.
The line he says in the flick always cracks me up = "ALWAYS BET ON BLACK".
He certainly would have cleaned up if playing the numbers on that marquee.
Quote from: ati on Mar 03, 06:18 AM 2014
I just had an idea of playing EC's, jumped right into real money to test it on colors, but BV can always make fun of me. ::)
Luckily I didn't use progression, so it's not disastrous.
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This is very very very common on BV. I have noticed that.
I have also noticed after tracking about 150 to 200 spins, if you have a streak like that wait and you will get a streak of reds.
If you don't get a streak of REDS you will get another BLACK streak and then RED.
They will alternate with that streak. Question is when?
BTW. Its not only with RED/BLACK its all EVEN CHANCES.
I had noticed that on BV a while back and now after tracking about 500/600 spins in a session it is becoming a normal trend for their software, just have to wait it out and exploit on it.
Do you think online casinos would go out of business, if they let people set daily stop loss, or maximum bet per spin/hand?
I used to play poker online for years, and the biggest rooms let me set deposit limits, maximum buy in limits. I also have a program that tracks my play, and can be set to shut me down if I reach a preset stop loss or win. When that happens, the program cannot be deleted or stopped, and it won't let me play no matter what I do. That's a great advantage for the player.
I'm just thinking about this, because I always have a little fear that my next session will be the inevitable loss. I'm scared to lose, even if I'm winning, and that's because I know when I'm losing, I'm not scared to bet my entire roll. I'm sure there are many many players in the same shoes.
Yeah Aus, and in white chicks they say once had black never go back. Ask Latrell
Who's Latrell so I can ask him ?
Where I used to live in a Lodging house one of the guys there was a XXXXXXXX freak & it's not me. Some of "quality" shows he presented were very "MULTICULTURAL" & displayed no Racial discrimination.
The obvious prequisites were a rather large "MIDDLE STUMP" & the endurance of a champion marathon man & not forgetting aerosol cans of whipped cream.
The Albino negro, the Albino white guy, the darkest of dark negro & even the super star dwarf all passed muster. At the NMCF (nude male clothed female) hens night "Show" all "Entertainers" were in high demand. The "hens" were of of all colours from paper white indoor girls through to dark coffee "MUM WOULD BE SHOCKED" girls. It seems like when the excitement rises colour blindness kicks in.
Things sure have changed from days of make up & Tupperware get togethers.
ATI
You wouldnt take a drink of something unless you knew what it was.
same with food....so why bet money on a software device that you have no idea about.
RNG is an unknown. Real wheel isnt. You can see all the ball and pockets and rotor....nothing hidden
Dublin bet lets you set limits. You cant change them until 24 hours later
Yeah, I've just explained ausguy, that I play on BV exclusively. That sha code convinced me that they can be trusted and the numbers are always pre drawn. I checked the code on 3rd party websites, and it always matched.
Soon my roll will be big enough to try a live wheel, and this time I really am going to move my funds to a casino that offers live game, and see how it goes.
Quote from: ati on Mar 06, 04:06 PM 2014
Yeah, I've just explained ausguy, that I play on BV exclusively. That sha code convinced me that they can be trusted and the numbers are always pre drawn. I checked the code on 3rd party websites, and it always matched.
Soon my roll will be big enough to try a live wheel, and this time I really am going to move my funds to a casino that offers live game, and see how it goes.
Latvian dolly dealers are no good. The rotor speeds are too fast. The ball leaves the table too much. Theres always a X somewhere in the marque on one of the tables. They are ruling the advantages down, like half shoes and card burning in BJ.
Dubin bet is nice and busy. 2 or 3 minutes a spin in the evenings.
Im still convinced the pockets are shallow. The ball does ping pong a bit....but the permz passed a chi-square test. So it seems legit.
Turner - Latvian dolly dealers. What casino are you relating to ? I play at Party Casino with the dolly dealers & haven't seen fast wheel speeds or the ball leaving the table. Also they only spin in 1 direction & change dealers every 1/2 hour. Lately I've been winning ok but still playing catch up so getting there. I believe they provide an active dealer service to other casinos, perhaps they are elsewhere in the building or even a different Latvian group ?
Also I've only ever seen the spin numbers on the marquee never an X. It's almost certain you are relating to a different casino feed ?
I've played a little Baccarat there but not Black Jack. On the bacc. everything happens as it should for a card game. They hand shuffle the cards for every new shoe.
2 - 3 minute spins is pretty boring & a slow way to profit compared to faster spin cycles. Like why bet @ 20 - 30 spins per hour when you can bet 60s/p/hr ? Potentially you make twice as much on the faster spin cycle game betting the same unit values.
Quote from: ausguy on Mar 06, 04:45 PM 2014
Turner - Latvian dolly dealers. What casino are you relating to ? I play at Party Casino with the dolly dealers & haven't seen fast wheel speeds or the ball leaving the table. Also they only spin in 1 direction & change dealers every 1/2 hour. Lately I've been winning ok but still playing catch up so getting there. I believe they provide an active dealer service to other casinos, perhaps they are elsewhere in the building or even a different Latvian group ?
Also I've only ever seen the spin numbers on the marquee never an X. It's almost certain you are relating to a different casino feed ?
I've played a little Baccarat there but not Black Jack. On the bacc. everything happens as it should for a card game. They hand shuffle the cards for every new shoe.
2 - 3 minute spins is pretty boring & a slow way to profit compared to faster spin cycles. Like why bet @ 20 - 30 spins per hour when you can bet 60s/p/hr ? Potentially you make twice as much on the faster spin cycle game betting the same unit values.
The latvian casino Will Hill use....usually playtec.
I must admit, its been 18 month since I used them.
They chat to customers to put them off....and seem to get a fair old ear bashing from the losers
(in my best Latvian accent) "Deeyr Playrrr.....results are ryandmmm"
Will Hill - Now blocks OZ accounts.They were active here on OZ until recently. There was an article locally here about it the other day. They were under scrutiny by the Government for non regulation compliance of certain gambling services.
The upshot was for WH to set up ops in the USA for the emerging deregulation of on line gaming there. To get a licence their strategy was to pull the pin in OZ & head Stateside. It was said WH hoped that their neg. business in OZ wouldn't impact on their US licence application.
Yes I know what you mean about the Lat. accents, they think they speak wonderful English like announcing the ball spin drop "Teerteewuurrnnwaak" "Iz a hi numbaenna turd dezen en deferst colmm izz ordd an ittsbleek". In plain English the number is 31 BLACK.
There seems to be live play also, it's heard but unseen being behind the camera. It's probably touch screen roulette ? For some reason on line only gets a 15 second bet window, they get 25 seconds ?
Aus latrell is played by terry crews, white chicks one great film. " thats not a dog thats family"
Thats enough back to the grind stone
Hammer - " Back to the grind stone" ? I thought you would have HONED your roulette skills razor sharp by now ?
roulette is my grind stone
Its more like metaphor bingo...lol
Roulette gods are against me. Was working on a repeater system, then 24 numbers appeared without a repeat!
According to a large test, the chance for this to happen is 0.009%.
are these Gods, live Gods or rng Gods.
is the marquee showing 30 to 29, if so 3 is a repeater.
You're right, my bad. I missed that repeat somehow, but it's still 22, and the chance for that is about 0.045%.
yes Ati i had the same happen thursday, backing the last 18 spins, it went on to get 22 unique numbers and finally a repeat, but as you guy's know uk fobt's dont let you bet for the necessary bets,with there max stake, £100. Obiviously you get a fair part of the previous bets back but not the profit.