who's making money out of roulette at the moment?

[iggiv]

If someone claims to teach people to win roulette, it should include concrete examples, not just blah-blah-blah. I am saying that because i have some sources which were a little disappointed after paying money to some "teachers" who taught them virtually nothing, even that the teachers themselves were sure they were teaching some valuables skills.

Concrete examples are way to go. Someone gives u concrete spins, u tell what to bet and why. And then someone gives u real results showing how u r doing and how much u won.
Talk is cheap. Sure You can talk a talk, but can you walk a walk, Gizmo? Let's do it. Lots of informational fluids are flowing here, how about some real deeds? And those deeds are not expensive, all is virtual. But we will see how justified are your claims about 63% of success in roulette.

And mr. Cheese can join too (if he doesn't want to reveal his info, that's fine, he can just reveal his bets, no harm is done for the real info).

honestly i am sick and tired of those fruitless empty arguments going for YEARS (--my hit rate is this, what is your hit rate? --but i share my secretes, what do u share? -- i share my hit rate. -- i can share my hit rate too).

Let's have a proof if u claim stuff like this. Put up or shut up.thanks

[Tamino]

Win with common sense:

Select 3  ( THREE) well perfected methods.

Atleast 18 numbers, but never more than 22 .

NEVER ,  EVER use a negatve progression  to  chase  losses( that what  it amounts  to.)

Leave the action  at the table  after  3 losses in a row  when playing  EC   and after 2 losses  in a row for inside play including  dozens or  columns .

PRE--ESTABLISH  loss limits  for the  casino visit. Set a reasonable  and attainable win goal.

Maintain rigid discipline whether it is a  Low  $ 5 minimum table  or a  higher minimum table . It`s ALL the same relative to the  bankroll you bring along.

At the end of the year expect to  have increased your master bankroll by 5 %.Then consider yourself a member of the  GENIUS  class.

DO NOT believe  claims of winning  Thousands  of Dollars  , Pounds  or Euros,. Pure fiction !
The  truth  about  losses   is being suppressed..


Tamino

[Gizmotron]

Iggiv -" Concrete examples are way to go. "

I said there will be people that will fail at this. Even as I give this away there will be
complaining losers. So be it. I'm doing this to prove what I taught was not worthless.
So if you require proof then you will have it. It just won't come from me though. It will
come from others that can do this too. It took me thirty-five years, on my own, to
conceptioulize and imagine this. All of my own research, experimentation, Treasure, and
education. You don't impress me much. I'll do this my way. Demonstrating a live demonstration 
will only cause many to conclude that it was just luck anyway.

[iggiv]

Gizmo, u dedicate lots of your time to these forums. Why not show some real results sometimes?
You have plenty of time for it. Even a few successful sessions with good overall rate within a month or 2 will do.  then it does not have to be just luck. Till then all your concepts mean NOTHING. Lots of words.

Loud claims with dodging showing real results won't give u lots of trust. And the same goes for Cheese.  It's your business guys if u prefer to stay on "blah-blah-blah" level. But that fact would say louder than any clever words u use.

[Gizmotron]

You act like I'll run from the challenge. I won't I just don't want to spend five hours in a
chat room. I require an honest person that has 300 real spins. I need them to deal out
these real spins after I've had a chance to explain each bet. I'll then explain the next bet
and amount before the next spin. So where can we get real spins that can be confirmed
after the fact? You want a demonstration then those are my only conditions. This will not
be done in a vacuum. Nore will it be a joke interrupted by idiots that are too lazy to
learn the meaning of the basic tools being described. You must know what a series of
single is. You must know what a dominance is. You must know what a sleeper is. You
must know what the global effect refers to. Now I know you are ignorant of these.
I urge you to get a clue.

[iggiv]

Gizmo, u come back to personal attacks. I did not attack u personally, mind u. U don't even know what i know and what i don't. But u attack me just for asking for a little demonstration. I won't go on your level to attack u back. I got used to deal with people like u which when they have nothing to say much, attack an opponent personally.

And I DON'T RUN from the challenge, mind u, since i did not make any claims of knowledge and teaching here.

Now concerning the examples.

U don't have to be in chat room for a few hours. U don't have to be in chat room at all.
All You have to do (if  u r willing to show results) is just making another tread (or anybody else can make it for u, doesn't matter).

someone independent will give u as many consecutive spins as u need (no problem to get them from German casinos), and u will tell how   u would bet, what and how much. And as i said it does not have to be one day, it can go for a month, 2 or 3, as much as u like. When u have a little time, u just reply to the message and may be come back later, even after a week.

i am not interested to shut u up, show  that u r ignorant or something like this. Neither i am interested to quarrel with u (though u look like You are with me).  All i am interested about is some kind of proof of your claims. Otherwise it is just a talk, no more than this.

I can promise u that if i gave u those spins, i would not lie. And if u show consistent solid winnings overall, i am ready to apologize and say that i was wrong about "blah-blah-blah level".

[vile]

My dear Ig.as if we don't know for years now who Gizmo is.
Hearing the same old story,over and over.He is got nothing to show you,
take my world.One should just ignore his parrot comments,
then he may give up...otherwise as long as you expect something
from this self made guru..you will only get empty senseless words.

[Gizmotron]

Fine, set it up at the VLS forum. I've done this in private lessons. It's the most powerful
teaching technique possible.

[Gizmotron]

My dear Ig.as if we don't know for years now who Gizmo is.
Hearing the same old story,over and over.He is got nothing to show you,
take my world.One should just ignore his parrot comments,
then he may give up...otherwise as long as you expect something
from this self made guru..you will only get empty senseless words.

Save for posterity and the integrity of future reference. I need a good example.

[iggiv]

OK deal. I will create a thread, do u want spins from me or any third party? If i give u the spins,
i PROMISE i won't lie. And please state how many spins u need to analyze before starting to bet.

And i will help to keep this thread clean of any personal quarrels and accusations. Just pure spin publishing and your replies.

thanks

here u go

link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20053.0

[GARNabby]

Ya, but Gizmo sort of "grows on" you.  Call it Gizmosis.

Anyway, a lot of good discoveries were made while looking for something completely different; and of the ones which were intentional, a lot of those required an (unadmitted) about-face in beliefs.

[carpanta]

If someone claims to teach people to win roulette, it should include concrete examples, not just blah-blah-blah. I am saying that because i have some sources which were a little disappointed after paying money to some "teachers" who taught them virtually nothing, even that the teachers themselves were sure they were teaching some valuables skills.

Concrete examples are way to go. Someone gives u concrete spins, u tell what to bet and why. And then someone gives u real results showing how u r doing and how much u won.
Talk is cheap. Sure You can talk a talk, but can you walk a walk, Gizmo? Let's do it. Lots of informational fluids are flowing here, how about some real deeds? And those deeds are not expensive, all is virtual. But we will see how justified are your claims about 63% of success in roulette.

And mr. Cheese can join too (if he doesn't want to reveal his info, that's fine, he can just reveal his bets, no harm is done for the real info).

honestly i am sick and tired of those fruitless empty arguments going for YEARS (--my hit rate is this, what is your hit rate? --but i share my secretes, what do u share? -- i share my hit rate. -- i can share my hit rate too).

Let's have a proof if u claim stuff like this. Put up or shut up.thanks

Iggiv, your speech sounds good. I believe you are right. We all know that there are thousands of roulette systems around the forums which claim to beat roulette. I doubt most of them. Why, more than not they have stiff rules.
That's the starting point why they fail. Mechanical betting due to stiff rules make them fail. 
One must be flexible and adapt to the  ramndon outcomes evolution.
The only way is to try to put onself on line with present randomness.
An educated guess is apt to catch up good runs while they continue flowing/happening.
Knowledge, patience and a proper bankroll to fight ups and downs are required to succeed.
Roulette random outcomes are bound to have a rythm and secuence.
Sometimes they look caotic to us and better not risk bets in those cases.
More often than not you'll find betting opportunities  when you work with multiple variants.


I reckon Gizmotron's absolutely right about his claims. Nothing is due but sometimes randomness sort out things in such a way that you can speculate about the present conditions to keep on going. One or two losses will tell you wether you are right or not.


It is up to you being a outside bets or inside bets player. Besides, you can play along the table layout or be a wheel follower.
In my case i prefer inside bets and wheel layout.


I could perform a demostration explaing in detail how i decide my bet selection.  I think three different permanences could be played at once with at least one result per day. It could take some time to achieve my 100 chips target per session. Stop-loss 200 hundred chips.  Of course there will be ups and downs. Im not saying i will hit every spin but i can show i've got an edge by interpreting what the wheel is throwing.
All i need are 12 previous spins to start betting so I have some ground to step on.


I won't be giving away any system along a demonstration but showing how an skillful and seasoned player can achieve his/her goal by handling accuratly enough the song the wheel is playing.


If somebody helps with the permanences i've got the goodwill to show IT CAN BE DONE.


Cheers,
Carlos

[amk]

Hello carpanta!!

I would like to help but do not know how concerning permanence's.

[carpanta]

Hi Amk,

Thanks for your interest.

It's all about somebody playing dealer job. Three permanences from a live casino, single 0 wheel, are required.
First 12 numbers are delivered from each permanence as background for me. From then on everyday a single number is delivered from each permanence so i can bet on all of them at the same time.
Playing on three permanences at once should harry up the challenge a little bit.

That's basically my offer. It wont prove roulette is beatable for sure but at least i can show one strategy good enough for me to win more than it lose. Also I can explain how i decide the bet selection based on the rhythm and tendency of random events i track.

Cheers,
Carlos.

[Rolletti]

I started 1 April 2012 with 100$ playing mostly for repeats of No, pattern breaker, bet on sleeping No and other screaming obvious typical roulette formations out side bets when I see them. Played every day about 1-4 hours.
Had a double loss with PB costing me 600$

Bankroll now: 1400$

And I beat RNG. They are more predictable when playing repeaters or sleepers.