An effort to help some members get out of the worst gambing fallacy

[Drazen]

Yeah...cos God doesn't play dice, right Einstein?

Maybe. But even if God gambles, who is the croupier then?

[Bayes]

Like wikipedea is the truth for example

link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wikipedia 

[Ralph]

Everything is by chance, from the smallest, quaint physics is random, the long run gave a result as our world.
Whats the odds you are here, a long road billions years ago, life start, and just a few in every generation, from single cells most of the time to you, and every shift as odds of one to a billion.
You are lucky being.

[Turner]

Maybe. But even if God gambles, who is the croupier then?

Well...hope I aint telling something you know...apologies if I am but Einstein famously said "God doesnt play dice" He never liked quantum physics much because of particles having a probability of being somewhere and everywhere.

So the croupier must be Max Planck

[Drazen]

Well...hope I ain't telling something you know...apologies if I am but Einstein famously said "God doesn't play dice" He never liked quantum physics much because of particles having a probability of being somewhere and everywhere.

So the croupier must be Max Planck

Well you can't prove what he said is true, can you?




You see, Einsten was one of the greatest mathematician and especialy greates physicst of our age..
And he said that roulette is impossible to beat, unless you steal chips from croupier LoL


But how such great mind was wrong about the game that only can be observed from 2 angels. Mathematical and physical...


It can be beaten on both aspects... He never liked random you say? Maybe that way is possible he didn't knew random has its limits?


If he knew, he could easily beat the game... 


And about physics parameters, moment or time until ball hits the diamond is always same at some point(s)!, no matter how you spun the ball. And few other parameters he needed to get precise hit were much more in players favour in his time.So he didn't had excuse to beat the game... LoL


Cheers


Drazen

[Turner]

Everything is by chance, from the smallest, quaint physics is random, the long run gave a result as our world.
what's the odds you are here, a long road billions years ago, life start, and just a few in every generation, from single cells most of the time to you, and every shift as odds of one to a billion.
You are lucky being.

Ralph....totally correct. The odds of us being here are insane. There are thousands of factors for life.
The moon tides, the angle the earth is at, the distance from the sun. The class of the sun. And the physics themselves in this universe. There are many other factors before the "chance" of life can happen or not. Then for it to produce a species that can reason and question is millions to one withing that fiirst chance ever happening.
This whole concept is discussed in:
The Grand Design-Stephen Hawking

[Turner]

Well you can't prove what he said is true, can you?

LoL..my point exactly. We assume many things. I wasn't there when he said it.


You see, Einsten was one of the greatest mathematician and especialy greates physicst of our age..
And he said that roulette is impossible to beat, unless you steal chips from croupier LoL

That was 80 years ago, and Casinos still have 3 or 4 roulette tables and 2 or 3 airball.
I think we have a way to go before we can announce we have beat roulette.

But how such great mind was wrong about the game that only can be observed from 2 angels. Mathematical and physical...


It can be beaten on both aspects... He never liked random you say? Maybe that way is possible he didn't knew random has its limits?
He didn't like the fact that photons acted like particals and waves. he didn't like the fact that a partical was everywhere, just more probably some places than others.


If he knew, he could easily beat the game... 


And about physics parameters, moment or time until ball hits the diamond is always same at some point!, no matter how you spun the ball. And few other parameters he needed to get precise hit were much more in players favour in his time.So he didn't had excuse to beat the game... LoL

He will of made the comment after running the maths I guess. He concluded it couldnt be beat. Hope hes wrong, but E still =MC2, 100 years later, so Im not holding my breath


Cheers


Drazen

[Bayes]

Everything is by chance

This is something else that can't be proved. 

Much as I admire Stephen Hawking, I think he's talking out of his arse. M-theory is sheer speculation, there's no observational support for it whatsoever. 

[Ralph]

This is something else that can't be proved. 

Much as I admire Stephen Hawking, I think he's talking out of his arse. M-theory is sheer speculation, there's no observational support for it whatsoever. 

Some observations is done, in MATH and not in the world. I fully understand the formulas, as I am a former  who study this as a job. It is like the roulette, the formulas do not allways can be practical proven, and until then we make a good income as we are ignorant,as the bumble bee, do not know it can not  fly.

[Turner]

This is something else that can't be proved. 

Much as I admire Stephen Hawking, I think he's talking out of his arse. M-theory is sheer speculation, there's no observational support for it whatsoever. 

Bayes....have you read the book? . I didnt really see much evidence on what he had decided what M-theory exactly was. It was wishy washy...but...I liked most of it. Its a good read.  looking at the odds against it, we shouldnt be here, but considering the universe is so massive of course we should.
Im reading Brian Cox/Jeff Forshaw The Quantum Universe. Its much heavier reading than "why does E=MC2" by him....and that was hard going. I dont know why I put myself through it. After all...whats it got to do with the price of fish?

[F_LAT_INO]

Well I pressume you are reading all this  MOP,as your thread have
arrived from;get out of the worst gambing fallacy----to philosophy,
sex,reincarnation,his mighty without croupier,literature,science,and
many other things but GAMBING FALLACY.....nevertheless in all I agree
with your views/am sure others do too/except that few of us don't
belong to that category simply couse we still here and playing every day.
Will let you think how come......maybe one day you will catch the train,,,
hope you do.....................and good luck

[Turner]

Well I pressume you are reading all this  MOP,as your thread have
arrived from;get out of the worst gambing fallacy----to philosophy,
sex,reincarnation,his mighty without croupier,literature,science,and
many other things but GAMBING FALLACY.....nevertheless in all I agree
with your views/am sure others do too/except that few of us don't
belong to that category simply couse we still here and playing every day.
Will let you think how come......maybe one day you will catch the train,,,
hope you do.....................and good luck

Flat...well....15 or so posts in a row without anyone bragging or slating MOP or telling us for the 1000th time that they do the same thing everyday of their life was refreshing.

[Skakus]

The universe is here for the long run so it might as well do something or even try everything. Much like us roulette players; here for the long run trying out everything. 

[amk]

A lot of great posts lately.




2Cat:


Interesting thoughts. Makes you think, pretty cool.


Could we imagine a universe/reality in which Red and Black never balance?
Just Red, always up by at least 20%?



Bayes quote:

""Or, 'if a tree falls in the woods and there's no-one there to hear it, does it still make a sound?"
I would say yes, because sound is a wave travelling through space, which happens whether anyone is there or not."


Only Saskwatch knows




Skakus:


Where is your new avatar from?
I think it is from a Nickelodeon show from the 90's?

[Still]

The universe...reality?  That's my department. 

Which universe are we talking about; the fake one (the 'matrix') or the real one (reality)? 

Each one is opposite the other, so if one is eternal, the other is temporary. 

Reality is built from singularly good features and benefits. 
Unreality is built from a combination of opposites, none of which are really good. 
Unreality offers experiences we consider "good" and others we consider "evil".

When we are weary of the roller-coaster ride, we will take the peace train back to where we came from.

Unreality offers everything imaginable, beyond the everything that is the known reality.
It does 'try' to manifest everything that can be imagined, but never anything actually real. 

Unreality is like a casino.  We hope to gain from it.   
It can be very promising, but very disappointing.

In gaining one universe, we 'lose' the other...as our normal experience. 
This is because, as mentioned, they are opposites, and can't be mixed...as an experience. 

Roulette is symbolic of all games played within the unreality of the 'matrix'-like universe.
If one can overcome the roulette wheel, one can also overcome the legendary 'wheel of life'. 

Can the roulette wheel be overcome?  Depends on what one means by that. 
One overcomes the matrix by escaping/leaving it.

If we stay in the matrix, is there a way to beat it at it's own game? 
Only John Legend knows.
I DON'T know. 

I keep an open mind because nothing is as it seems...in a universe opposite reality. 
Very few believe this universe can be overcome. 
Many don't even see the need. They like the steak.
But a few have overcome it, and have lived to talk about it. 

The game was invented by a Jesuit, which figures. 
I think it would be highly symbolic to see someone overcome this game. 


One thing i know, the matrix offers both sides of a coin...always dual...always duplicitous.
If it's possible to lose, it's possible to win...from a relative point of view.   
What is bad can suddenly be good, and visa versa.  Fortunes change. 

I know that if one does not believe something is possible, he makes his own luck...predicts his own future...and visa versa.

An open mind is like an open tomb, and must be open to ever beat anything like roulette...if it can be beat. 

I don't necessarily recommend believing.  Knowing is preferable.
I just recommend questioning all conditions that are said to be impossible.

There is no one universe in the matrix. 
There is one 'big bang' for every decision you could possibly make. 
You step into the resulting universe that most closely associates with your state of mind. 
None of these universes would exist as experience if no one was interested. 
None of them really exist at all, except in imagination. 

~Still Christ!