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[monaco]

A flatbet whose losing line would be very shallow on a graph could be overcome with a progression (positive/negative/regressive? - which is best, thats what i'm trying to find out),
and then when it is winning, you win as well of course (again whether to win with an 'up as you win' or some other way?).

if a flatbet can work in the manner RE says, i'd say we're not talking big waves here, more water gently lapping the shoreline.

[hanshuckebein]

@monaco

maybe this would depend on the number of spins it takes to move around +;- 10?

if the ups and downs lie within a range of spins that can be played and controlled  within a reasonable session length, a player could just leave the table while he has won some units.

just my 2 cents ... 

cheers

hans

[Turner]

Reminds me of washing powder adverts.

Best ever DAZ!!! best ever formula. Washes whites whiter than before.

err...so can I have my money back on all the last load of inferior stuff youve been fobbing me off with?

[monaco]

cheers Hans

well lets see what comes of it - I'll bear in mind what you say, plus I've got a few things to try on how to get maximum life (units) out of basically a flatline 

maybe in the end the progression isnt the main thing: a good fuel (bet selection) can make a lot of engines (MM) work well -

'bet selection is the holy grail' i read somewhere, maybe thats what that meant - i didn't used to believe it, but i think i might be going over to that dark side 

good luck all

[catalyst]

dear turnerfake
this is not joke here, a real possibility of a winning method!

dear monaco
a flatbet could be multilevel and I call it elevated flatbet!

thanks
catalyst

[Chrisbis]

like an escalator?

Flat Bet...............Escalated!!!! lol

[Juiced91]

So it cant be a flatbet if you increasing the amount you are flatbetting.

Then its not a flatbet as it would NEVER change.

[monaco]

do you mean some kind of gr8 player progression - see where you are after x amount of spins & then adjust your bet amount accordingly?

cheers

[mr.ore]

I want to see the bet, I have also tried various variations on changing between following last or opposite. Actually I then realized that I can do it directly with red or black, as there should not be much difference - just two opposite even chances. I tried several bots which had a counter between 0 and 1, 0 was for red, 1 was for black and if they were winning, counter was updated so that it was nearer to the hitting colour, and if it reached certain distance from the opposite color (like 0.6 if betting on red), then betting color changed to 1, this was to avoid "hazards" which would occur if it just change bet around 0.5, then it would change too often until one side would clearly dominated. This was configurable by some parameters which caused it to react fast or slow to changes. While it sometimes worked well, many times it failed on the fact that dominance on one side changed, it detected it and adapted to it, but by that time dominance changed to the other side, several times in a row...

so algorithm for bot was (pseudocode, $ for variables (=counters)):

some edits done so read again:

init:
$red = 0
$black = 1 (indices for bet, so that we can identify on what to bet by a number)
$counter = 0
$border = 0.1
$bet_on = $red (that is 0)
$aggresivity = 0.1

before spin:
make bet on $bet_on

after spin:

if bet won:
  update $counter := ($bet_on -  $counter)*$aggresivity
  this way $counter moves towards winning option, := compute what is on right side and rewrite the value on left

if bet lost:
  update $counter := ( (1-$bet_on) - $counter)*$aggresivity
  this way $counter moves to opposite of losing(!) option, because if bet was on 0 then 1-0=1 and if bet was on 1 then 1-1=0, so it always computes the opposite index

check if we should change:
  if $bet_on = $red and $counter >= 0.5+$border:
    $bet_on := $black
else if $bet_on = $black and $counter <= 0.5-$border:
   $bet_on := $red

so if one side started to dominate then the counter moved towards it and if it reached some value like 0.5(center)+0.1=0.6 or 0.5-0.1=0.4, time for change. It also means that if the counter oscillates around 0.5 for some time, then it will not be changing what to bet on so often.

Of course same algorithm could be used on $aggressivity parameter (not tested yet) so that if it does not work, it would become more aggresive and we have a method that adapts between follow the last and opposite.

[Chrisbis]

I think everyone is getting a little mixed up here on this flat bet thing,

You can have a flat bet that 'grows'..........like as in 'Steps'.

You can also have a Progression bet that grows, usually for profit taking reasons,
more than recovery reasons.

Progressions are designed to cope with 'running loses', in that to return to either "Status-Quo", or break even with a 'tad' of profit (see George, I do know how to 'tad' it!), You have to increase your bet to cover the money now invested on the table.

Stepped Flat betting is an entirely different animal.

U use stepped Flat Betting, when U either want a burst of acceleration on a profit run, or want to use it to recover loses that occurred a while ago, or are setting out a process, that copes with a certain bad run, which then turns into a good run.

For instance.

Say U knew that on an EC bet (like Red/Black), in your chosen casino, tends to get a good set of single series colours,. (which You could use a standard Marty for, to recover your original 1st chip value +profit), followed by a good run of ONE single colour.
But then after the singles series have past, U would Use a stepped Flat bet process, to ride through the expected Run of ONE colour results, and take max profit.

Of course your Final bet, U will lose, as the Single Color run will change, so the trick will be to stop early, or hope U made enough profit, to then take that final loss, without having to recover!

[mr.ore]

RouletteExplorer: could you please at least post spins on which you tested your method ?

[Juiced91]

I dont believe there is such a thing as a "stepped" flatbet thats called a progression. A flatbet does not change even a "tad" (everyone is using it ) over time. It remains the same no matter what. If it increases it cant be called a flatbet. And Chris you just said you would up the flatbet to recover from losses "U use stepped Flat Betting, when U either want a burst of acceleration on a profit run, or want to use it to recover loses that occurred a while ago" Thats then a progression not a flatbet. Flat bet meaning flat"never changes/consistently the same".

[mr.ore]

Progression is a special case of flat bet, where you sometimes bet less than the table limit  .

[Juiced91]

Then its not a flat bet. Oh my word. Here is the definition:

Web definitions: (Flat Bets) A type of wager in which the player bets the same amount on each roll, win or lose [/t][/t]

[monaco]

thanks for the explanation Chrisbis, maybe I'm missing something, but..

U use stepped Flat Betting, when U either want a burst of acceleration on a profit run

is that not a positive progression? 

or want to use it to recover loses that occurred a while ago

& a negative one?