Player1:
Plays every day and makes every day $200 profit.
Player2:
Plays only one day in the week and makes $1400 profit.
How does the casino view these two players and which one is considered high risk for the casino ?
Player 1 is the lucky one, casinos hate this bastard.
You think so ?
Remember that versus each winner there are 100 losers
So the casino comes ahead, the winner is being paid by the money the losers has lost.
For the casino it's shit the same because they are making profit
Both players will largely be ignored in a sizeable and real BM casino.
But...
If the player is using a players card then overtime he will be 86d once he gets to far outside of the theoretical. Especially if he's in a casino that requires a card to play and cash out every win. If the player is playing online he's definitely screwed, as there are no long term consistent winners online that don't have their accounts frozen. (Exception of course is poker.) Online is typically reserved for people with gambling problems, the young, poor, and the ignorant.
Quote from: The General on Apr 16, 06:38 PM 2018Online is typically reserved for people with gambling problems, the young, poor, and the ignorant.
Absolutely 100% spot on. Its fuckin criminal.
UK has more Online Casinos and Bookmakers than anywhere else in the world. Akin to drugs problems in UK
They are allowed to market them on prime time television adverts with the blessing of the the ASA (Advertising Standards Agency) along with the biggest scourge here, the Pay day loan
Brazenly quoting 1200% interest
They go hand in hand by the way. Gambling problems funded by pay day loans.
So sad, the mess these people are getting into.
Quote from: Turner on Apr 16, 07:28 PM 2018
Absolutely 100% spot on. Its fuckin criminal.
UK has more Online Casinos and Bookmakers than anywhere else in the world. Akin to drugs problems in UK
They are allowed to market them on prime time television adverts with the blessing of the the ASA (Advertising Standards Agency) along with the biggest scourge here, the Pay day loan
Brazenly quoting 1200% interest
They go hand in hand by the way. Gambling problems funded by pay day loans.
So sad, the mess these people are getting into.
FOBT is worse.
Quote from: cht on Apr 16, 09:11 PM 2018
FOBT is worse.
Sorry, I should have been clearer, I meant FOBT when I said Bookmakers
Quote from: Turner on Apr 16, 07:28 PM 2018
Absolutely 100% spot on. Its fuckin criminal.
UK has more Online Casinos and Bookmakers than anywhere else in the world. Akin to drugs problems in UK
They are allowed to market them on prime time television adverts with the blessing of the the ASA (Advertising Standards Agency) along with the biggest scourge here, the Pay day loan
Brazenly quoting 1200% interest
They go hand in hand by the way. Gambling problems funded by pay day loans.
So sad, the mess these people are getting into.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Apr 16, 06:38 PM 2018and the ignorant.
Ignorant, by this i presume you mean no idea on how roulette performs.
So here in the UK we should go back to just casino to play games of chance. This would not stop some from losing everything, by just taking it from easy reach.
In the bookies majority are playing reels on the Fixed Odds Betting Terminal.
Online, no chance for survival. ?
You are wrong when you think that all online players are losers, there are winners of course who play online and win...
There was a guy called "steven" who was here for short time and fought with almost everybody including "tuner".
That guy came up with a nice idea, it still pops up in my head, he said that if you want to avoid detection, supposing that you have a winner System, the idea is simple, all what you have to do is to collect profits and then place a losing bet on football match (bet for the weak team) and cover the favourable team on betfair, by doing so you are transfering your funds smoothly out the casino, do. you think something like that would work long term ? Will betfair payout without problems?
Quote from: The General on Apr 16, 06:38 PM 2018
the young, poor, and the ignorant.
Wasn't it yesterday, "fat, lazy and rich"?
:xd: :xd:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 17, 10:48 AM 2018
Wasn't it yesterday, "fat, lazy and rich"?
:xd: :xd:
No, fat lazy and rich are the whales INSIDE of the casino. LOL.
Quote from: The General on Apr 17, 10:52 AM 2018
No, fat lazy and rich are the whales INSIDE of the casino. LOL.
Young, poor, and the ignorant
Vs
Fat, lazy, and the rich
Guys, vote where do you belong, lol
Both are often fat and lazy.
General
Can you say your opinion on the suggestion from the ex member Steven on how to avoid detection ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 17, 02:09 PM 2018
General
Can you say your opinion on the suggestion from the ex member Steven on how to avoid detection ?
I don't know who Steven is and what it is that he posted.
If you want to avoid detection within the casino..
1. Don't use a players card if you're trying to milk an opportunity.
2. If you must use a players card, squirrel chips, buy in but periodically move the value chips to your pockets.
3. Cash wins out gradually. Use others to help you cash out if you're going to the window. Try to use the cash out machines when possible.
4. Facial recognition is a joke. It doesn't work much better than chance. Don't worry about it. It's pit and dealers that recognize you more often than not, and not facial recognition. Even the better cameras and facial recognition can easily be tricked.
5. Avoid looking upward at bottle neck points. Not really because of facial recognition, but because these areas are often recorded and observed more. For example when you first enter the casino, coming up or down and escalator...keep your head down! Stay close to the walls of the casino where the slots are and away from the tables when walking through the casino. Stay off the main aisle. (Even though there are cameras everywhere, it doesn't mean that they work or that anyone's looking.)
the idea of being "detected" and booted is hog wash
resorts world casino is all airball wheels
they can give a shit less if you win
Roulettebeater.
Here's an excellent thread that you might want to follow. link:s://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/gambling-with-an-edge/30538-bob-nersesian-guest-again/#post640774
The thread is questions for Bob Nersesian. Bob is a gaming attorney that represents various AP players. He also has experience dealing with the sticky stuff, like civil forfeiture (driving with large sums of cash to various AP destination etc) backrooming, bannings, tresspassing acts, etc... He's periodically a guest on the pod cast run by Richard Munchkin and Bob Dancer. link:://:.richardmunchkin.com/
The podcast is excellent, and this last week Bob was again a guest. The podcast is called, "Gambling With An Edge."
Quote from: The General on Apr 17, 09:41 PM 2018
I don't know who Steven is and what it is that he posted.
If you want to avoid detection within the casino..
1. Don't use a players card if you're trying to milk an opportunity.
2. If you must use a players card, squirrel chips, buy in but periodically move the value chips to your pockets.
3. Cash wins out gradually. Use others to help you cash out if you're going to the window. Try to use the cash out machines when possible.
4. Facial recognition is a joke. It doesn't work much better than chance. Don't worry about it. It's pit and dealers that recognize you more often than not, and not facial recognition. Even the better cameras and facial recognition can easily be tricked.
5. Avoid looking upward at bottle neck points. Not really because of facial recognition, but because these areas are often recorded and observed more. For example when you first enter the casino, coming up or down and escalator...keep your head down! Stay close to the walls of the casino where the slots are and away from the tables when walking through the casino. Stay off the main aisle. (Even though there are cameras everywhere, it doesn't mean that they work or that anyone's looking.)
6. Be a standing player wherever possible.
7. Play games that's known to offer the player no edge, eg. Baccarat
8. Play below the "monitored" bet size.
9. Mingle with the bunch of regular losers.
10. Best when your bet is with the crowd.
Quote from: The General on Apr 17, 09:41 PM 2018Stay close to the walls of the casino
I can see you now General Like a little rat, scurrying around the edge of the casino
You guys are nuts
I asked a clear question and nobody gave me an answer:
Do you think the idea of Steven is viable and can work ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 16, 03:28 AM 2018
Player1:
Plays every day and makes every day $200 profit.
Player2:
Plays only one day in the week and makes $1400 profit.
How does the casino view these two players and which one is considered high risk for the casino ?
Player one Will be getting eyes looking down on him after a few weeks, i've been there, done that, still doin' it >:D
Player two would also Have problems with the staf once he wins to much over a periode of Time.
I once was banned for 3 months, because i won All the Time. They thought i was cheating of some sort.
Like i say in the other thread, when i start my afternoon or Evening at my local BM i First Make sure that i Have reached my profit goal plus a little More. Then Just before i leave the casino, i Always Make sure that i lose that little more and looking sad when i leave >:D (won ex. 250 euro - 100 euro was my target. so i Make sure i lose that 150 euro) that way they Have the feeling that i Have lost again, but in reality i Have reached my daily goal and too â,¬100+ from them. But the only thing they remember is my sad face and that i Have lost again. Also, i don't play at the same casino everyday. I Have a few in the neibourhood that i can visit. Most of the Time i go 1 Time a week to the same casino, to avoid detection. And i don't use a playercard imo.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 18, 03:10 AM 2018
Player one Will be getting eyes looking down on him after a few weeks, i've been there, done that, still doin' it >:D
Player two would also Have problems with the staf once he wins to much over a periode of Time.
I once was banned for 3 months, because i won All the Time. They thought i was cheating of some sort.
Like i say in the other thread, when i start my afternoon or Evening at my local BM i First Make sure that i Have reached my profit goal plus a little More. Then Just before i leave the casino, i Always Make sure that i lose that little more and looking sad when i leave >:D (won ex. 250 euro - 100 euro was my target. so i Make sure i lose that 150 euro) that way they Have the feeling that i Have lost again, but in reality i Have reached my daily goal and too â,¬100+ from them. But the only thing they remember is my sad face and that i Have lost again. Also, i don't play at the same casino everyday. I Have a few in the neibourhood that i can visit. Most of the Time i go 1 Time a week to the same casino, to avoid detection. And i don't use a playercard imo.
Losers learn from gambling all bad habits, like being greedy, selfish, fat, lazy, lol :)
Winners learn from gambling some good habits, like being patient, disciplined, slim, not being fat, not being lazy
:)
Btw, do you think the suggestion from
Steven can work. ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 17, 10:12 AM 2018
There was a guy called "steven" who was here for short time and fought with almost everybody including "tuner".
That guy came up with a nice idea, it still pops up in my head, he said that if you want to avoid detection, supposing that you have a winner System, the idea is simple, all what you have to do is to collect profits and then place a losing bet on football match (bet for the weak team) and cover the favourable team on betfair, by doing so you are transfering your funds smoothly out the casino, do. you think something like that would work long term ? Will betfair payout without problems?
Don't if this is any Different that what i do. But i remeber that i got also a ban in online play when i First started to win last year, that the argument they gave, was that i was winning in a Pace way and that to win money i Have to return some also. I was constant winning, they don't like that. Either way is was playing with cents. But was winning All the Time and they said it now it was 1 cent betting, but there could come a Time that i play with higher stake and that it would cost them alot of money . You must realize, they are Running a business, not a chairityfund. Same Goes with BM casino's strust me, if i would play 7 days a week and would win a few thousand euro's every night, by the End of the month i would not be welcome anymore. The way Steven did it, is the solution. But you could stay with roulette . Win some, then lose some and then quit isbthe way to go. But Always win enough so that you leave in profit even the lose the last sessions. This is what i do everyday. But in bm casino, Like i expllained.
Well, the idea itself is interesting, since you betting against other players at betfair and not against betfair, this way you keep milking the casino and you can transfer your profits to betfair where you bet against other players, you should be sure that your bet on betfair is gonna win, otherwise you will end up with more money in your account at the casino where you winning, I am at the moment without any experience with betfair and whether they reliable, that's why I asked if someone has more information in this regards.
Thx
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 18, 04:51 AM 2018
Well, the idea itself is interesting, since you betting against other players at betfair and not against betfair, this way you keep milking the casino and you can transfer your profits to betfair where you bet against other players, you should be sure that your bet on betfair is gonna win, otherwise you will end up with more money in your account at the casino where you winning, I am at the moment without any experience with betfair and whether they reliable, that's why I asked if someone has more information in this regards.
Thx
Understand.
But i don't Have any Experience with betfair either. I play with the same online casino now for over 5 years, if i want to play online. And never had any problems with them. So i don't change to another any Time soon
Wow!
5 years, same casino and still able to make profit ?
May I ask you the name of the casino ?
Thx
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 18, 07:01 AM 2018
Wow!
5 years, same casino and still able to make profit ?
May I ask you the name of the casino ?
Thx
Sure.
:.oranjecasino.com
Cheers.
Ed.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 18, 07:14 AM 2018
Sure.
:.oranjecasino.com
Cheers.
Ed.
Thx
Never heard of it, but orange reminds me of two things, the fruit and the Netherlands
:)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 18, 07:48 AM 2018
Thx
Never heard of it, but orange reminds me of two things, the fruit and the Netherlands
:)
Well i'm Dutch and i also like oranges :lol: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 18, 02:49 AM 2018
You guys are nuts
I asked a clear question and nobody gave me an answer:
Do you think the idea of Steven is viable and can work ?
What idea? You never said what idea is? Who is Steven?
Sorry but, I can't read your mind.
Quote from: The General on Apr 18, 01:12 PM 2018
What idea? You never said what idea is? Who is Steven?
Sorry but, I can't read your mind.
If you did paid More attention you would Have known.
Here is what roulettebeater said and asked on page 1 of this thread.
There was a guy called "steven" who was here for short time and fought with almost everybody including "tuner".
That guy came up with a nice idea, it still pops up in my head, he said that if you want to avoid detection, supposing that you have a winner System, the idea is simple, all what you have to do is to collect profits and then place a losing bet on football match (bet for the weak team) and cover the favourable team on betfair, by doing so you are transfering your funds smoothly out the casino, do. you think something like that would work long term ? Will betfair payout without problems?
I go to one particular live casino quite a bit. Have been going for 5 years. I have never seen anyone backed off and some of these guys are routinely winning I believe. About 3 weeks ago I saw a guy buy in for 1000 in 25 dollar chips and walk away with 30,000 in about 8 spins and no one said a word. He goes everyday and routinely wins. He plays the same numbers everytime. Around the single 0. I have seen a guy with 100,000 profit in front of him before. Guy was betting around the zeros also. Not a word.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 18, 01:17 PM 2018
If you did paid More attention you would Have known.
Here is what roulettebeater said and asked on page 1 of this thread.
There was a guy called "steven" who was here for short time and fought with almost everybody including "tuner".
That guy came up with a nice idea, it still pops up in my head, he said that if you want to avoid detection, supposing that you have a winner System, the idea is simple, all what you have to do is to collect profits and then place a losing bet on football match (bet for the weak team) and cover the favourable team on betfair, by doing so you are transfering your funds smoothly out the casino, do. you think something like that would work long term ? Will betfair payout without problems?
There was a guy called "steven" who was here for short time and fought with almost everybody including "tuner".
Yep, still didn't know who Steven was or what he wrote until you just posted it. That's why I asked. LOL.
I suppose you could do that for small wins, but you're giving up a sizeable amount of money doing so.
Quote from: Irish88 on Apr 18, 01:26 PM 2018
I go to one particular live casino quite a bit. Have been going for 5 years. I have never seen anyone backed off and some of these guys are routinely winning I believe. About 3 weeks ago I saw a guy buy in for 1000 in 25 dollar chips and walk away with 30,000 in about 8 spins and no one said a word. He goes everyday and routinely wins. He plays the same numbers everytime. Around the single 0. I have seen a guy with 100,000 profit in front of him before. Guy was betting around the zeros also. Not a word.
Live casino ? Do you mean land casino ?
Yes sorry. B & M. American Wheel table.
Quote from: Irish88 on Apr 18, 01:26 PM 2018
I go to one particular live casino quite a bit. Have been going for 5 years. I have never seen anyone backed off and some of these guys are routinely winning I believe. About 3 weeks ago I saw a guy buy in for 1000 in 25 dollar chips and walk away with 30,000 in about 8 spins and no one said a word. He goes everyday and routinely wins. He plays the same numbers everytime. Around the single 0. I have seen a guy with 100,000 profit in front of him before. Guy was betting around the zeros also. Not a word.
Yes, you'll see that type of action in LV. The guys probably aren't regular winners though, they probably just appear to you to be regular winners.
Again, many casinos like big action. However, LV does ban some players. I'm currently banned from roughly half of LV.
What is a regular winner to you? How would you know if I am capable of not knowing who is winning most of the time? I mean no disrespect. But for all this talk about "systems" or "repeaters" I don't think any of it really works long term. I am not going to sit at a table through 37 spins. To me I just play a quadrant of the wheel that seems to be hitting above avg. Buy in, play as many spins as you can go. You lose 2-3 in a row then out. There have been many times I turn 200 into 3000. I win an avg 7/10 times. I have had 15 winning sessions in a row and no one has said a word to me. I don't have a system. I just play by feel and know when to stop. I just try to figure what which wheel is best to buy in. And hope to get 5 hits or so. Then out.
If the guy wins 8/10 times and in profit of 30,000 but had 2 losing sessions is he not a regular winner?
QuoteWhat is a regular winner to you? How would you know if I am capable of not knowing who is winning most of the time?
Someone that wins far outside of what the theoretical predicts. Some people know, some people don't. It's very tough to tell without careful observation. Most novices wouldn't be able to tell.
By the way, I'm not implying that you're by any means a novice. For all I know you could be another AP. Usually and immediate indicator is how someone bets. If the guy's betting 20 to 30 numbers, betting the zeros straight up, and then splitting the zeros, and betting corners, streets, etc.... then that's a pretty good indicator that he's just another gambler. Most likely a new one too.
QuoteI mean no disrespect. But for all this talk about "systems" or "repeaters" I don't think any of it really works long term.
Some stuff works when played against the wheel, rather than the random game.
QuoteTo me I just play a quadrant of the wheel that seems to be hitting above avg
Sounds pretty good to me. Hope you win biG! :thumbsup:
QuoteIf the guy wins 8/10 times and in profit of 30,000 but had 2 losing sessions is he not a regular winner?
To me, that doesn't really mean much, as it doesn't really convey whether or not he's winning outside of the theoretical. The 8/10 times doesn't describe for how many spins he plays, how long a session is. Sounds more like a random gambler to me. If he played sessions that were 300 to 600 spins in length, and was winning a substantial number of units at each session then that would be more impressive. But the dollar amount won doesn't really mean much...meaning it doesn't mean that he's a consistent winner or winning many units.
General
Next time pay more attention to what others write and stop behaving as you are the only one who has the shittyhollymolly grail
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Apr 19, 03:14 AM 2018
General
Next time pay more attention to what others write and stop behaving as you are the only one who has the shittyhollymolly grail
Hmmm...well sorry then.
Regardless, I'm hoping that I've contributed some valuable information in the thread.
Cheers!
-The General
Quote from: The General on Apr 19, 03:38 PM 2018Regardless, I'm hoping that I've contributed some valuable information in the thread.
doubt it :xd: