Introduction, while tracking spins for FIVE and THE ZONE. I have observed randoms weakness for stringing together long runs of consecutive 4 GAPS. On a single DOZEN. From this I have created a simple but very effective method, that I play in conjunction with FIVE.
THE RULES,
1, We track spins on the dozens and until we get a BET TRIGGER of three consecutive 4 GAPS . Below are examples of Bet triggers.
-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----02
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
-----DOZEN 2
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
2, Once we have our BET TRIGGER. Using a 5 step progression we bet against this run of 4 GAPS continuing up to a maximum of 8.
3, We use the classic 1,3,9,27,81 x 2 progression. If you don't want to use a 5 step progression. You can use a 4 step after the trigger betting against 7 consecutive 4 GAPS.
4, I recommend you play for a maximum of 4 games a session Hit and Run fashion.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR 20/10/12
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 320
TOTAL GAMES WON 320
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 320 UNITS PLUS
My confidence in this method lies in the fact that I have never seen a 7 live. And even at BV. So far I have never seen even a 6. This makes sense to me after playing the ZONE for several years. Random struggles to keep a Dozen under a 5 GAP for more than 30 spins.
Hi!
xls or dgt file....maybe..... ;)
Quote-----04
-----03
-----04
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
What if you get
-----04
-----11
-----04
-----09
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
And are you betting on the trigger? not to stay at 4 but continue OR are you waiting still, probably a similar question I had for 5 ok you goit your trigger, then what, when and where to bet, not being stupid just need clarification
Quote from: superman on Oct 20, 02:36 PM 2012
What if you get
-----04
-----11
-----04
-----09
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
And are you betting on the trigger? not to stay at 4 but continue OR are you waiting still, probably a similar question I had for 5 ok you goit your trigger, then what, when and where to bet, not being silly just need clarification
Good questions, No like with FIVE the gaps separating a 4 GAP must be 3 or less.
An example of a bet
-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----04???--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP or more.
Nice one JL and I 100% understand it !
Can you play it on Columns also ?
john...sorry if Im being a bit "tick" but confirm what you exactly mean by 1 3 9 27 81 x2. its the "x 2" I want confirming pls..
Turner
This is strong. Betting opportunities have varied for me from 60-80 spins all the way into the hundreds.
Patience prevails.
Bally V32 ROULETTE .MP4 (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2B4-ITa2I#)
This is the exact machine I play on at the casino only the casino has the single zero version rather then this double zero one.
Trying to score one for home to really strip that random down.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 20, 04:54 PM 2012
Nice one JL and I 100% understand it !
Can you play it on Columns also ?
Yes Twister, I have started playing columns too for greater turnover. Although my study and experience is mostly with dozens. It should give similar results.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 20, 10:49 PM 2012
This is strong. Betting opportunities have varied for me from 60-80 spins all the way into the hundreds.
Patience prevails.
Hi Kevin, as an American can you not join BV like TWOCATSAM has? It would speed up your turnover. Plus you can bet smaller amounts...
Quote from: Turner on Oct 20, 06:36 PM 2012
john...sorry if I'm being a bit "tick" but confirm what you exactly mean by 1 3 9 27 81 x2. its the "x 2" I want confirming please..
Turner
That is the five step progression you would use to play all the way to 8. The times 2 simply means that amount on each dozen.
So if we are betting against say DOZEN 3 becoming producing 8 consecutive 4 GAPS. We would place 1 unit on dozen 1 and 1 unit on dozen 2 for STEP 1 of the progression. If that lost we would then place 3 units on dozen 1 and 3 units on dozen 2, for STEP 2 of the progression.
All the way up to 81 units maximum. So our total risk to play a game is 242 units. 121 on each dozen over the 5 steps. Its a lot for newbies I know, so the 4 step plan of 80 units would be the choice if you don't have a big bankroll.
But what you have to consider is, the WINNING POTENTIAL of this method played hit and run. If FIVE gave me 1089 straight wins before it lost. 8 ON 1 could give me at least twice that.
The reason is FIVE was challenged 74 times, and lost the 75th time. 8 ON 1 has never been challenged, not once. But even with FIVE, had the progression had that extra step. It would have won and still have a 100% strikerate.
Now I know matt says but look at Stepkevhs tracker. But I'm not playing this on his tracker. I'm playing it at BV single zero and live. And on those two formats, its never even been challenged let alone lost. So when you take this into consideration. That 242 unit risk no longer seems so much. Especially when you consider, a lot of methods can have drawdowns greater than 242 units. And still lose. Plus playing short sessions. The chances of me running into an 8 are decreased further. And I have thousands of results with THE ZONE to further strengthen my confidence. When you see how hard it is for random to keep a dozen under 5 for even 25 spins. You know this is a longterm winner.
There's no comparison to me, 242 units on a 1000 plus winner. Or 2000 on the unknown, I know which one I'm going with everytime.
Quote-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----04???--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP or more.
Thanks for that, now, last question, do you chase or bet once per trigger
Quote from: superman on Oct 21, 02:45 AM 2012
Thanks for that, now, last question, do you chase or bet once per trigger
No Superman. Up to five times per trigger. If you are playing the 5 step progression. So for example illustrated below.
DOZEN 1
04
02
03
04
04-----BET TRIGGER
04-----STEP 1 LOST
03
04-----STEP 2 LOST
02
04-----STEP 3 LOST
06-----STEP 4 WON-----This is the longest I have ever recorded 8 on 1 to garner a win. In over
2500 potential games. Random truly struggles to make a dozen sleep under a 5 GAP for 30 plus spins. My history with THE ZONE, has shown me this convincingly.
Hi JL,
Scooby here. I have read your idea but as usual I am a little thick-headed with some of these terms. When you say a 4 gap, what are you referring to when you say GAP? For this, I think I will need a detailed explanation my friend. If I can understand what you're doing I will definately test it and give results for the other members to see. Thanks so much.
ScoobyDoo
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Oct 21, 03:57 AM 2012
Hi JL,
Scooby here. I have read your idea but as usual I am a little thick-headed with some of these terms. When you say a 4 gap, what are you referring to when you say GAP? For this, I think I will need a detailed explanation my friend. If I can understand what you're doing I will definately test it and give results for the other members to see. Thanks so much.
ScoobyDoo
Hello Scooby good to hear from you. A 4 GAP is my terminology to describe a Dozen or Column that hits then sleeps for 3 spins and hits again. Examples below.
DOZEN 2-----13--30--01--33--18----This is a 4 GAP of DOZEN 2
COLUMN C-----27--04--17--31--12----This is a 4 GAP of COLUMN C
I hope that puts you in the picture Scooby.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 02:59 AM 2012
No Superman. Up to five times per trigger. If you are playing the 5 step progression. So for example illustrated below.
DOZEN 1
04
02
03
04
04-----BET TRIGGER
04-----STEP 1 LOST
03
04-----STEP 2 LOST
02
04-----STEP 3 LOST
06-----STEP 4 WON-----This is the longest I have ever recorded 8 on 1 to garner a win. In over
2500 potential games. Random truly struggles to make a dozen sleep under a 5 GAP for 30 plus spins. My history with THE ZONE, has shown me this convincingly.
JL I thought I had it then I read this. The bit Ive highlighted you say when it went to 06 it won but would it not of won when it went 05 ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 04:14 AM 2012
JL I thought I had it then I read this. The bit I've highlighted you say when it went to 06 it won but would it not of won when it went 05 ?
Lol yes Twister. I just used the 6 as an example of where that one came to rest. FIVE upwards is your winner.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 04:49 AM 2012
LoL yes Twister. I just used the 6 as an example of where that one came to rest. FIVE upwards is your winner.
Oh thank God !
Phew ! Had bad flash backs there for a second lol
This baby *looks* UNIVERSE BIG BANG PROOF ! (slightly stronger than Supernova Proof)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 04:58 AM 2012
Oh thank God !
Phew ! Had bad flash backs there for a second LoL
This baby *looks* UNIVERSE BIG BANG PROOF ! (slightly stronger than Supernova Proof)
Twister LoL! Played in short bursts you may never lose, that's the mystery of this one. If I have no recorded challenge on the progression. It may be close to a grail played in Hit and Run fashion. if it gives me 800/1 longterm I am delighted. But it may give me 8000/1 or more. All I know is through my experience with THE ZONE. Random has trouble keeping under FIVE for 30 plus spins. It has to break out sooner than later, to give us those 5,6,7,8 AND BEYOND GAPS. That people are fond of telling me made the original ZONE unstable. Yes to get those 5 to 30 plus gaps. Random can't remain in that 4 GAP prison for too long.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 05:11 AM 2012
Twister LoL! Played in short bursts you may never lose, that's the mystery of this one. If I have no recorded challenge on the progression. It may be close to a grail played in Hit and Run fashion. if it gives me 800/1 longterm I am delighted. But it may give me 8000/1 or more. All I know is through my experience with THE ZONE. Random has trouble keeping under FIVE for 30 plus spins. It has to break out sooner than later, to give us those 5,6,7,8 AND BEYOND GAPS. That people are fond of telling me made the original ZONE unstable. Yes to get those 5 to 30 plus gaps. Random can't remain in that 4 GAP prison for too long.
Well the proof will be in the Playing ! I will play this baby and see how I get on
Just one Q, do you think it needs to be played HAR ? Could you not play 10 games back to back ?
hey John do you mind showing a test run. With numbers and triggers I plan to make a tracker but I need 100% understanding.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 05:19 AM 2012
Well the proof will be in the Playing ! I will play this baby and see how I get on
Just one Q, do you think it needs to be played HAR ? Could you not play 10 games back to back ?
Well the thing is Twister you may wait a long time to get 10 games back to back. Even if you are using COLUMNS. Random has serious trouble showing you even 3 consecutive 4 GAPS. Too often. You can't look at this as a all in one stand alone method Twister. Unless you have a lot of time on your hands and the patience of the universe.
This is more of an excellent add on to other methods like FIVE. But one that will hit winning streaks that defy logic. I'm 320/0 already. And I haven't even been taken to the 4th step of the progression ONCE. That's how strong this is.
JL is it correct uve never seen more than 5 4 Gaps ?
Do you ever feel tempted to play after 2 triggers ? I bet you see lots of 2 triggers get wiped out and have to start over ??
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 05:44 AM 2012
JL is it correct uve never seen more than 5 4 Gaps ?
Do you ever feel tempted to play after 2 triggers ? I bet you see lots of 2 triggers get wiped out and have to start over ??
Yes I am Twister, and I have done. Playing a 5 step progression against seeing 7 of these 4 GAPS. No Live I have six 4 GAPS recorded 7 times in 2250 potential games. On BV which has accounted for most of my real play so far. FIVE 4 gaps is the most I've got recorded.
But for the purposes of presenting this method as potentially BING BANG PROOF (Love that phrase) I go with a treble trigger, against 8. And if you have less funds a treble trigger against 7.
This could be,
BIG BANG PROOF !!
Im thinkin BVNZ is the best place to play this as Live might be really slow
JL why do you play on a game with a Zero ? BVNZ surely is the better choice ??
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 01:46 AM 2012
That is the five step progression you would use to play all the way to 8. The times 2 simply means that amount on each dozen.
So if we are betting against say DOZEN 3 becoming producing 8 consecutive 4 GAPS. We would place 1 unit on dozen 1 and 1 unit on dozen 2 for STEP 1 of the progression. If that lost we would then place 3 units on dozen 1 and 3 units on dozen 2, for STEP 2 of the progression.
All the way up to 81 units maximum. So our total risk to play a game is 242 units. 121 on each dozen over the 5 steps. Its a lot for newbies I know, so the 4 step plan of 80 units would be the choice if you don't have a big bankroll.
But what you have to consider is, the WINNING POTENTIAL of this method played hit and run. If FIVE gave me 1089 straight wins before it lost. 8 ON 1 could give me at least twice that.
The reason is FIVE was challenged 74 times, and lost the 75th time. 8 ON 1 has never been challenged, not once. But even with FIVE, had the progression had that extra step. It would have won and still have a 100% strikerate.
Now I know matt says but look at Stepkevhs tracker. But I'm not playing this on his tracker. I'm playing it at BV single zero and live. And on those two formats, its never even been challenged let alone lost. So when you take this into consideration. That 242 unit risk no longer seems so much. Especially when you consider, a lot of methods can have drawdowns greater than 242 units. And still lose. Plus playing short sessions. The chances of me running into an 8 are decreased further. And I have thousands of results with THE ZONE to further strengthen my confidence. When you see how hard it is for random to keep a dozen under 5 for even 25 spins. You know this is a longterm winner.
There's no comparison to me, 242 units on a 1000 plus winner. Or 2000 on the unknown, I know which one I'm going with everytime.
John
If you go to the doctor its usually a good idea to get a second opinion. Tracker offers it but you dismiss it. Its RNG generated like BV single zero so why do you think its no good? I bet you that if you keep hitting F9 key there long enough it will produce 12 or 13 4's gaps. I saw 11, Stef saw few 8 gaps after 100 hits (50k spins). Nothing out of ordinary compared for example with betting against repeat of a dozen or column. They can repeat 13 times although never saw more than 9. And both are bets with the same odds. And lets not forget that due to a waiting for trigger you dont get that many games. Saw few instances of no games in 500 spins - no 3 4's gaps. Compared with FIVE 8 ON 1 goes 5 steps so a probability of a good initial run greatly increases but a waiting time increases because we deal with single dozens.
Just my usual dose of skepticism ;D for which i apologize during an initial period of excitement after seeing a new post here.
Edit: just read the answer :thumbsup:
Just test played for the first session and it took 60 spins to get to a Trigger*
I chose to play after 2 Triggers, not 3
1 bet 1 win
I played on BVNZ coz it cost zero pence to generate spins
Same as before, 2 Triggers (took a further 80 spins)
1 Bet 1 Win
Again 2 Triggers (took 19 spins)
1 Bet 1 Win
This should be coded and a alarm bell sound and wake you up when it is time to place a bet.
Think it is long time between any bet.
Quote from: Ralph on Oct 21, 11:28 AM 2012
This should be coded and a alarm bell sound and wake you up when it is time to place a bet.
Think it is long time between any bet.
Im finding it takes around 2 - 3 minutes, when you put BVNZ on auto spin
Its takin me a bit longer as its my first go at this and Im double checkin everything
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 11:33 AM 2012
I'm finding it takes around 2 - 3 minutes, when you put BVNZ on auto spin
Its taking me a bit longer as its my first go at this and I'm double checkin everything
You must be alert all the time, fingers on the mouse or keyboard, as if you do not stop the bet opportunity may go.
Quote from: Ralph on Oct 21, 11:37 AM 2012
You must be alert all the time, fingers on the mouse or keyboard, as if you do not stop the bet opportunity may go.
Yes that is correct
Session End +4pts
Total Spins 190
All bets Won on first attempt after 2 Triggers
Hi John,
I'm assuming (like FIVE) that the three consecutive 4-GAP triggers in a dozen must not have gaps greater than 4 between them eg:
-----DOZEN 3
-----04 --- trigger1
-----07 --- triggers cancelled
-----02
-----04 --- trigger1
-----04 --- trigger2
-----06 --- triggers cancelled
-----DOZEN 2
-----04 ---trigger1
-----03
-----04 ---trigger2
-----02
-----04----BET TRIGGER
-----DOZEN 1
-----04 --- trigger1
-----08 --- trigger cancelled
-----04 --- trigger1
-----09 --- trigger cancelled
-----04 --- trigger1
-----03
-----02
-----04 --- trigger2
-----03
-----04 --- BET TRIGGER
Please confirm John if indeed correct. Thank you.
Atlantis.
JL, how many of ure games were Live when you played this ?
I just went to Paddypower and I reckon I shud have a bet by Tuesday LOL :xd:
BVNZ is super fast and had a bet in 3 or 4 minutes
Why do you choose to play on the one with a Zero ? On BVNZ, 1. you dont have a Zero and 2. you can move the rng for free
Any thoughts ??
JL, quick question in play
I will list out a few results, in dozen format, and need you to clarifie something plz
13231 ok first Trigger but can you use the last 1 as the first one in the next block, like this
132312231 Is this two Triggers ? or do you only use the highlighted number 1 once ?
Thanx for ure help :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 11:19 AM 2012
Same as before, 2 Triggers (took a further 80 spins)
1 Bet 1 Win
You see how hard it is for Random to form consecutive 4 GAPS on the same dozen Twister. That's why I have doubts about a tracker mirroring random accurately. To me it just produces averages that don't match what I'm meeting in real play.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 12:53 PM 2012
JL, how many of your games were Live when you played this ?
I just went to Paddypower and I reckon I should have a bet by Tuesday LoL :xd:
BVNZ is super fast and had a bet in 3 or 4 minutes
Why do you choose to play on the one with a Zero ? On BVNZ, 1. you don't have a Zero and 2. you can move the rng for free
Any thoughts ??
Well I'm doing my challenge on the single zero Twister to match more closely what I would achieve live. LMAO!!! Yes live is slow. That's why it can't be your main method. And you are better off going after two triggers than three. A word of caution about BVNZ Twister. Its fast but I'm not sure its fair. Someone reported eleven 4 GAPS in a row the other day. Honestly ill be dead before I see that live. Even BV single zero can't show 6 so think this over.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 01:46 PM 2012
Well I'm doing my challenge on the single zero Twister to match more closely what I would achieve live. LMAO!!! Yes live is slow. That's why it can't be your main method. And you are better off going after two triggers than three. A word of caution about BVNZ Twister. Its fast but I'm not sure its fair. Someone reported eleven 4 GAPS in a row the other day. Honestly ill be dead before I see that live. Even BV single zero can't show 6 so think this over.
eleven 4 gaps ?
hmmmm
when you play the zero how do you move the rng, do you put 1 cent on a color for example ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 02:01 PM 2012
eleven 4 gaps ?
hmmmm
when you play the zero how do you move the rng, do you put 1 cent on a color for example ?
Yes Twister or odd even. Its a problem. But I'm telling you that RNG is fair. If it wasn't for example. The time I made a mistake and bet 5 euro instead of 1. It would have made me lose for certain.
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 21, 12:28 PM 2012
Hi John,
I'm assuming (like FIVE) that the three consecutive 4-GAP triggers in a dozen must not have gaps greater than 4 between them e.g.:
-----DOZEN 3
-----04 --- trigger1
-----07 --- triggers cancelled
-----02
-----04 --- trigger1
-----04 --- trigger2
-----06 --- triggers cancelled
-----DOZEN 2
-----04 ---trigger1
-----03
-----04 ---trigger2
-----02
-----04----BET TRIGGER
-----DOZEN 1
-----04 --- trigger1
-----08 --- trigger cancelled
-----04 --- trigger1
-----09 --- trigger cancelled
-----04 --- trigger1
-----03
-----02
-----04 --- trigger2
-----03
-----04 --- BET TRIGGER
Please confirm John if indeed correct. Thank you.
Atlantis.
Yes Atlantis this is correct. Hey its good to have you and Twister back on my thread. 20 months ago our dream team created the Matrix concept. That led to interelated thoughts outside of a matrix. And is to some degree responsible for the ideas of late. With FIVE and now 8 ON 1...
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 01:25 PM 2012
JL, quick question in play
I will list out a few results, in dozen format, and need you to clarifie something plz
13231 ok first Trigger but can you use the last 1 as the first one in the next block, like this
132312231 Is this two Triggers ? or do you only use the highlighted number 1 once ?
thanks for your help :thumbsup:
Yes Twister that is valid. I've had treble triggers that string together one after the other. I've seen as many as four 4 Gaps like that
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 02:36 PM 2012
Yes Twister that is valid. I've had treble triggers that string together one after the other. I've seen as many as four 4 Gaps like that
Thats great to read. I wasnt sure so I wasnt playing them just incase
So if you were playing 3 Triggers it could look like this ?
1223133212321333 now bet against dozen 1
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 02:31 PM 2012
Yes Atlantis this is correct. Hey its good to have you and Twister back on my thread. 20 months ago our dream team created the Matrix concept. That led to interelated thoughts outside of a matrix. And is to some degree responsible for the ideas of late. With FIVE and now 8 ON 1...
Yes I agree :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 02:41 PM 2012
that's great to read. I wasn't sure so I wasn't playing them just incase
So if you were playing 3 Triggers it could look like this ?
1223133212321333 now bet against dozen 1
That's correct Twister.
Attached 8 on 1 versus the 10,300 BVNZ real money spins I have on file, using JLs' original rules
EDIT:
173 - W Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 0 BetAgainst (dc)
spin number - W/L Progression, Bank, Peak reached, obvious!
hey i read in comments this takes hell of a spin to get the triggers man.... i only play live dealer and it is about 1 spin every minute :-\
.
Quote from: ashwinsinha on Oct 21, 03:12 PM 2012
hey i read in comments this takes hell of a spin to get the triggers man.... I only play live dealer and it is about 1 spin every minute :-\
You would have to play it as a side bet not ure main bet as 60 spins an hour is sloooooooooow !
Quote from: superman on Oct 21, 02:55 PM 2012
Attached 8 on 1 versus the 10,300 BVNZ real money spins I have on file, using JLs' original rules
EDIT:
173 - W Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 0 BetAgainst (dc)
spin number - W/L Progression, Bank, Peak reached, obvious!
So after 10,209 spins you are up 153 units and 1 single loss will cost 242 units? :o
And to achieve this you had to move the rng 9993 times without a bet on the dozens? :o
This would mean if putting 1c on the zero to move the rng or alternatively playing another game to move the rng and if you're lucky lose at a rate of -2.7% x 9993 = -269 units? :o
Oh dear, not for me thanks. :thumbsup:
This youtube video accurately sums up "8 on 1" for me... count them, I think there's 8 knights...
Holy Grail - Killer Bunny (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg#)
JL, tried the zero wheel but its too expensive. I lost 1 Unit getting to my bet trigger though I did get it back by bettin slightly more and winning
Im now +6 Units all wins have come on the first bet
Im gonna go back to the No Zero wheel as its free to move the rng there
At least this way we can compare ure results to the NZ wheel :thumbsup:
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 21, 04:18 PM 2012
So after 10,209 spins you are up 153 units and 1 single loss will cost 242 units? :o
And to achieve this you had to move the rng 9993 times without a bet on the dozens? :o
This would mean if putting 1c on the zero to move the rng or alternatively playing another game to move the rng and if you're lucky lose at a rate of -2.7% x 9993 = -269 units? :o
Oh dear, not for me thanks. :thumbsup:
This youtube video accurately sums up "8 on 1" for me...
Holy Grail - Killer Bunny (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg#)
i must admit...unless Ive gravely misunderstood this.....im with Skakus...and declare this a kind of madness. Totally removed from what gambling and roulette is about
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 04:29 PM 2012
JL, tried the zero wheel but its too expensive. I lost 1 Unit getting to my bet trigger though I did get it back by bettin slightly more and winning
I'm now +6 Units all wins have come on the first bet
I'm gonna go back to the No Zero wheel as its free to move the rng there
At least this way we can compare your results to the NZ wheel :thumbsup:
That's good Twister, you are well and truly back. I like it when you are in this frame of mind. It livens up the forum and gets things moving. Yes we shall compare. I expect big things from 8 ON 1.
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 21, 04:18 PM 2012
So after 10,209 spins you are up 153 units and 1 single loss will cost 242 units? :o
And to achieve this you had to move the rng 9993 times without a bet on the dozens? :o
This would mean if putting 1c on the zero to move the rng or alternatively playing another game to move the rng and if you're lucky lose at a rate of -2.7% x 9993 = -269 units? :o
Oh dear, not for me thanks. :thumbsup:
This youtube video accurately sums up "8 on 1" for me... count them, I think there's 8 knights...
Holy Grail - Killer Bunny (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg#)
Skakus, if your thinking is that 8 ON 1 can't be for you because its too slow. You now realise why 99.9% of the human race think this game is unbeatable. A grail like method can't be rushed. I've been trying to get that across for over two years on this forum. Methods that are close to unbeatable exist. 8 ON 1 is one of them. But the price random asks of you is extreme PATIENCE. I once read you saying, when you were doing the challenge alongside me on Bayes RNG. I wish I had a method like JL that never lost.
Yet when once such method is handed to you on a plate you brush it off. Because its not some speedy gonzales intstant gold dropper. Its not going to be for most, I already know that. But when one day I've taken BV to breaking point. You won't have to ask me what I used, just keep that in mind.
Quote from: Turner on Oct 21, 04:33 PM 2012
i must admit...unless I've gravely misunderstood this.....I'm with Skakus...and declare this a kind of madness. Totally removed from what gambling and roulette is about
In other words Turner you don't like winning. I would rather wait to win, than rush to lose. that's my motto. And time will show how that works. You want fast methods you have them by the truck load. But theyll never be unbreakable, not even close.
>>> speedy gonzales intstant gold dropper!
LOL! Thanks for the name JL. Can I have dibs on it for my next system? :)
QuoteSo after 10,209 spins you are up 153 units and 1 single loss will cost 242 units?
Where do you see the loss Danny? max bet was 27 units per dozen, JL said use 2 doz progression up to 81 units, so it went one level shy of the max and 2 bets shy of busting, the test was on the no zero spins I have.
JL, do those results look similar to your results,don't foget this was a continual set of numbers, no hit n run
EDIT, soory bud its bed time for me, I se you said 1 single loss WILL cost 242 units, thats correct
"I'm with Skakus...and declare this a kind of madness."
There's one to ponder!
TCS
Quote from: superman on Oct 21, 05:08 PM 2012
Where do you see the loss Danny? max bet was 27 units per dozen, JL said use 2 doz progression up to 81 units, so it went one level shy of the max and 2 bets shy of busting, the test was on the no zero spins I have.
JL, do those results look similar to your results,don't foget this was a continual set of numbers, no hit n run
EDIT, soory bud its bed time for me, I se you said 1 single loss WILL cost 242 units, that's correct
Very close Superman. I've had five 4 gaps max on BV single zero. But I'm playing short sessions. Yes 242 is what I have on the line. You had six 4 GAPS continuos testing how many times? I've found seven times six 4 gaps in a possible 2250 games live. I've never seen 7 and certainly not 8.
Quote from: superman on Oct 21, 05:08 PM 2012
Where do you see the loss Danny? max bet was 27 units per dozen, JL said use 2 doz progression up to 81 units, so it went one level shy of the max and 2 bets shy of busting, the test was on the no zero spins I have.
JL, do those results look similar to your results,don't foget this was a continual set of numbers, no hit n run
EDIT, soory bud its bed time for me, I se you said 1 single loss WILL cost 242 units, that's correct
Yes, I meant when one comes along it wipes you out. And when two come along it wipes you out big time. You only made 216 double dozen bets in this 10,000 spin sample and you need to win 242 units to pay for 1 progression bust. At this rate that means placing 341 bets to pay for 1 bust, or 682 bets to have one up your sleeve. That's about 31,600 spins you need to crunch through to be in a somewhat safe position.
As for the no zero wheels, don't they take a % commission on any winnings, so they're not free spinning?
Its really not that slow, imo
I just played another session which took 33 spins and less than 2 minutes to win another Unit
Supermans results show you dont have to play HAR if you dont want to
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 21, 05:21 PM 2012
Yes, I meant when one comes along it wipes you out. And when two come along it wipes you out big time. You only made 216 double dozen bets in this 10,000 spin sample and you need to win 242 units to pay for 1 progression bust. At this rate that means placing 341 bets to pay for 1 bust, or 682 bets to have one up your sleeve.
As for the no zero wheels, don't they take a % commission on any winnings?
When one comes along. The points being missed Skakus. You may NEVER LOSE. Especially how I play. Think about that carefully. Everybody wants the GRAIL. When a strong contender is given to them, they're ALL EXCUSES. Now you don't have to wonder why the games safe for ALLTIME.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 05:31 PM 2012
When one comes along. The points being missed Skakus. You may NEVER LOSE. Especially how I play. Think about that carefully. Everybody wants the GRAIL. When a strong contender is given to them, they're ALL EXCUSES. Now you don't have to wonder why the games safe for ALLTIME.
Perhaps, but I'd like to see a test of at least 31,600 spins, and on a sigle zero wheel. :thumbsup:
38 spins around 2 minutes 1 bet 1 win
8 Bets
8Wins
All Wins on first bet
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 05:43 PM 2012
38 spins around 2 minutes 1 bet 1 win
8 Bets
8Wins
All Wins on first bet
This is pure luck and nothing more.
I did not see any reason why this system can beat the house edge.
Quote from: speed on Oct 21, 06:03 PM 2012
This is pure luck and nothing more.
I did not see any reason why this system can beat the house edge.
Divine Intervention ?
Hmmmm maybe. Time will tell :xd:
time for u, for me seconds :xd:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 05:04 PM 2012
In other words Turner you don't like winning. I would rather wait to win, than rush to lose. that's my motto. And time will show how that works. You want fast methods you have them by the truck load. But theyll never be unbreakable, not even close.
I wasnt being crass John, as you suggest. Im just giving my opinion. I really have tried to jump on the JL bandwaggon...and never been rude about it. Unfortunatly, Im starting to tire of the rhetoric. You remind me of a politician. Ive said this before.
Its about systems and roulette...not about how you will show us all in the long run, and how embarrassed we will all be when we realise how wrong we were to disbelieve you when we realise how you took over the world, and we could of all been part of it, if we had just had faith in what is so obvious layed out before our eyes.
I heard all this during the system given to us by God holding the baby Jesus in his hand, *****FIVE*****
is *****FIVE***** now a failiure?
As an observer John, I have to take everything in, not just the system. Ive took this same rhetoric in from everything you post, and even during gods gift *****FIVE***** you start mentioning 8 on 1.
Where do we stand with all this political clap trap?
Quote from: speed on Oct 21, 06:15 PM 2012
time for u, for me seconds :xd:
All the excuses, watch them come.
Quote from: speed on Oct 21, 06:03 PM 2012
This is pure luck and nothing more.
I did not see any reason why this system can beat the house edge.
Will you be saying pure luck if Twister wins 3000 times? House edge, you're living on flawed beliefs.
Quote from: Turner on Oct 21, 06:21 PM 2012
I wasn't being crass John, as you suggest. I'm just giving my opinion. I really have tried to jump on the JL bandwaggon...and never been rude about it. Unfortunatly, I'm starting to tire of the rhetoric. You remind me of a politician. I've said this before.
Its about systems and roulette...not about how you will show us all in the long run, and how embarrassed we will all be when we realise how wrong we were to disbelieve you when we realise how you took over the world, and we could of all been part of it, if we had just had faith in what is so obvious layed out before our eyes.
I heard all this during the system given to us by God holding the baby Jesus in his hand, *****FIVE*****
is *****FIVE***** now a failiure?
As an observer John, I have to take everything in, not just the system. I've took this same rhetoric in from everything you post, and even during gods gift *****FIVE***** you start mentioning 8 on 1.
Where do we stand with all this political clap trap?
Turner they go hand in hand. I will be playing FIVE for the rest of my life. Just as I will be playing PATTERN BREAKER. 8 on 1 is simply an addition. And it may be the best ever. Put what you think of me aside. And give yourself a chance to really see longterm winning is possible.
Because when someone makes a stir. The first thing that happens is all the people who really don't believe this games beatable make that point clear. So less time worrying about whether you like me personally. And more time really looking at what's going on here. And what you really believe might be shown to be wrong.
I know the general thinking Turner.
Congrats JohnLegend for Eight On One
You have to think systems Five and Eight On likened to the new releases of IPad and IPhone, they both have separate functions, but ultimately up to the user's preference.
Looking forward to your next one :)
I have attached 32000 single zero rng spins from my own library of results. They come from my own rng that I had professionally programmed a few years ago. It is the best and fairest rng you could hope for.
If superman or anyone is keen to try, let's see if 8 ON 1 can hold up over these results.
If it does then I can supply another 32000 spins for round two. :thumbsup:
John you are absolutely right!!!
Thanks to you, I used your method and got so surprising results. I'm sure your method is very strong, but I do not like huge progression for 1 unit.
I use the 10 gaps or more in sixlines. More than 100 wins and no losses. Risk 5 units.
Anyone on this forum can do as Stephen made excel programm for FIVE.
I'm tired of manually count.
Best regards.
Quote from: donik7777 on Oct 21, 09:28 PM 2012
John you are absolutely right!!!
Thanks to you, I used your method and got so surprising results. I'm sure your method is very strong, but I do not like huge progression for 1 unit.
I use the 10 gaps or more in sixlines. More than 100 wins and no losses. Risk 5 units.
Anyone on this forum can do as Stephen made excel program for FIVE.
I'm tired of manually count.
Best regards.
Can you explain ure Method a bit more plz or do you have a thread running already ??
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 01:12 AM 2012
Can you explain your Method a bit more plz or do you have a thread running already ??
TwisterUk Donik777 system is in the testing zone GAPS in sixlines
K
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 21, 08:45 PM 2012
I have attached 32000 single zero rng spins from my own library of results. They come from my own rng that I had professionally programmed a few years ago. It is the best and fairest rng you could hope for.
If superman or anyone is keen to try, let's see if 8 ON 1 can hold up over these results.
If it does then I can supply another 32000 spins for round two. :thumbsup:
Hola Skakus
There is no point in arguing about test results with John. Stef tracker shows you different results like some 8's already and i saw 11 and somebody saw 11's on BVNo but John thinks that they are not valid. He never played on BVNo but thinks that its not fair. BV regular RNG is fair in John opinion because so far he wins on it. Superman supplied 10k spins from BVNo and there were no loses but its only drop in the bucket because its only few hundred games. I saw something different on Stef tracker which i use also for testing of other stuff and i dont think there is anything wrong with it. Like all systems this thing can win for a long time especially taking into consideration that involves heavy progression and waiting for triggers but to declare it a roulette beater and threat to BV bottom line is a bit premature. Test results are not transparent because of the usage of other methods to spin BV RNG. The only way to settle it is to play for 1u base bet both FIVE and 8 ON 1 and use 0.01u or 0.05u bet to spin RNG or move to BVNo but apparently BVNo is not fair.
Well Ive not found BVNZ to be unfair, early days I accept
Anyway, latest results
This morning 4 bets 4 wins all on first bet
In Total 12 bets 12 wins all on first bet
Total +12 Units
Quote from: KoolKat on Oct 22, 01:45 AM 2012
TwisterUk Donik777 system is in the testing zone GAPS in sixlines
K
Ah nice one, will have a look :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 02:12 AM 2012
Well I've not found BVNZ to be unfair, early days I accept
Anyway, latest results
This morning 4 bets 4 wins all on first bet
In Total 12 bets 12 wins all on first bet
Total +12 Units
Call it lucky dozen :D By the way how long have you been playing BVNZ? I mean all the other stuff? Is there minimum bet still 0.01 on a regular BV because apparently it has been increased to 0.05 on NZ?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 22, 02:18 AM 2012
Call it lucky dozen :D by the way how long have you been playing BVNZ? I mean all the other stuff? Is there minimum bet still 0.01 on a regular BV?
Yes I accept it *may* be luck. Hence why Im takin part in playin this to find out
Ive had an account at BV for around 3 years. What other stuff ? The Minimum bet is 0.05p/c
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 02:21 AM 2012
Yes I accept it *may* be luck. Hence why I'm taking part in playing this to find out
I've had an account at BV for around 3 years. What other stuff ? The Minimum bet is 0.05p/c
Thanks. By other stuff i just meant other methods. There are some people not only John that claim that a regular and NoZero Rng on BV behave differently but in reality there is no sure answer to this question except some randomness test. :D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 22, 02:28 AM 2012
Thanks. By other stuff i just meant other methods. There are some people not only John that claim that a regular and NoZero Rng on BV behave differently but in reality there is no sure answer to this question except some randomness test. :D
I cant speak for JL but ive not noticed any difference btwn BVNZ and the Zero wheel
BUT I only played a few games on the Zero wheel as I found it too expensive to move the rng so went back to the NZ wheel where its free
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 02:35 AM 2012
BUT I only played a few games on the Zero wheel as I found it too expensive to move the rng so went back to the NZ wheel where its free
Is it free? I thought there was a blanket % commission on winnings? Or are you only playing fun money?
The 10% commision on winnings is only on the zero house edge games as far as I know, so if you win 1 euro and ens/close the game they take 0.10 cents of ya so you won 0.90 cents only that session.
Skakus I have downloaded your number file and rejigged my test bot to accept the zero BUT it just went sky high on the progression and there is a reason why, I will need to know from JL what he does in this situation
3745 - L Prog 1 Cash 48 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3756 - L Prog 3 Cash 42 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3768 - L Prog 9 Cash 24 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3769 - L Prog 27 Cash -30 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3777 - L Prog 81 Cash -192 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3787 - L Prog 243 Cash -678 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3789 - W Prog 729 Cash 51 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3804 - W Prog 1 Cash 52 Peak 51 BetAgainst (db)
3824 - W Prog 1 Cash 53 Peak 52 BetAgainst (dc)
You can see the bot has triggered on dc AND da and bet on both at the same time, had it only been on da all would have been ok, not so sure about dc though, so, JL what would you do in this instance?
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 22, 02:53 AM 2012
Is it free? I thought there was a blanket % commission on winnings? Or are you only playing fun money?
Yes thats correct, 10% on winnings
If/when my bank increases then it will pay to go back to the 1c bet on the Zero Wheel
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 03:19 AM 2012
Yes that's correct, 10% on winnings
If/when my bank increases then it will pay to go back to the 1c bet on the Zero Wheel
I saw minimum 0.05 on the Zero Wheel demo mode though as well.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 22, 03:38 AM 2012
I saw minimum 0.05 on the Zero Wheel demo mode though as well.
zero wheel is 1c
Results for Skakus 32000 spins, noted on the file are the high bets, just scroll to see them, I noticed the bot is getting multiple triggers this has blown the bank once during the run, I need JL to say what he would do if he had 2 trigger dozens at one time, play both OR play the first one that triggered, further down the file the progression was blown playing 1 dozens triggers only, so from the 32000 spins we lost once, but maybe twice depending on what JL does with multiple triggers.
Quote
Hi John,
I'm assuming (like FIVE) that the three consecutive 4-GAP triggers in a dozen must not have gaps greater than 4 between them e.g.:
-----DOZEN 3
-----04 --- trigger1
-----07 --- triggers cancelled
-----02
-----04 --- trigger1
-----04 --- trigger2
-----06 --- triggers cancelled
-----DOZEN 2
-----04 ---trigger1
-----03
-----04 ---trigger2
-----02
-----04----BET TRIGGER
-----DOZEN 1
-----04 --- trigger1
-----08 --- trigger cancelled
-----04 --- trigger1
-----09 --- trigger cancelled
-----04 --- trigger1
-----03
-----02
-----04 --- trigger2
-----03
-----04 --- BET TRIGGER
Please confirm John if indeed correct. Thank you.
Atlantis.
Yes Atlantis this is correct. Hey its good to have you and Twister back on my thread. 20 months ago our dream team created the Matrix concept. That led to interelated thoughts outside of a matrix. And is to some degree responsible for the ideas of late. With FIVE and now 8 ON 1...
Good. Thought so. Hope everyone else is following this rule in the large testing samples too!
A.
Quote from: superman on Oct 22, 03:51 AM 2012
Results for Skakus 32000 spins, noted on the file are the high bets, just scroll to see them, I noticed the bot is getting multiple triggers this has blown the bank once during the run, I need JL to say what he would do if he had 2 trigger dozens at one time, play both OR play the first one that triggered, further down the file the progression was blown playing 1 dozens triggers only, so from the 32000 spins we lost once, but maybe twice depending on what JL does with multiple triggers.
Hey superman, thanks for running those numbers. I've looked through the file and it looks like 3 losses to me? Two look like stand alone busts @ 81 units, and one seems messed up with the double trigger is that right?
No matter how good this is,how many test drive it had passed,i could never find myself playing this progression to win 5-10 units a day.
Just played a quick session took about 2-3 minutes and was 33 spins long
1 Bet 1 Win
Current Bank is +13 Units all Won on First Bet
Quote from: seykid31 on Oct 22, 06:30 AM 2012
No matter how good this is,how many test drive it had passed,i could never find myself playing this progression to win 5-10 units a day.
If each unit was £5 it would be. Take a year to really grind out a BR of about £1000 and then use that to play 8on1 with £5 units. It's getting that BR up that is many people's problem, not the systems to be used to win. Patience is a thing that most people need and to play a system for large units like this, you need to be patient. Really patient to get a BR up high enough that it becomes worth your while playing for an hour for five £5 units = £25
Quote from: subby on Oct 22, 08:03 AM 2012
If each unit was £5 it would be. Take a year to really grind out a BR of about £1000 and then use that to play 8on1 with £5 units. It's getting that BR up that is many people's problem, not the systems to be used to win. Patience is a thing that most people need and to play a system for large units like this, you need to be patient. Really patient to get a BR up high enough that it becomes worth your while playing for an hour for five £5 units = £25
100% spot on :thumbsup:
Latest update
+19 Units
All bets Won on First Bet
QuoteHey superman, thanks for running those numbers. I've looked through the file and it looks like 3 losses to me? Two look like stand alone busts @ 81 units, and one seems messed up with the double trigger is that right?
81 is the max progression he uses so it's not a bust, I have just gone through the file and heres what I have. We need JL to tell me what to do with multiple dozen triggers.
max bet 81 reached 5 times
6893 - L Prog 1 Cash 101 Peak 103 BetAgainst (dc)
6897 - L Prog 3 Cash 95 Peak 103 BetAgainst (db)
6902 - L Prog 9 Cash 77 Peak 103 BetAgainst (db)
6910 - L Prog 27 Cash 23 Peak 103 BetAgainst (dc)
6915 - W Prog 81 Cash 104 Peak 103 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet but mixed again db/dc
###########################################
7923 - L Prog 1 Cash 117 Peak 119 BetAgainst (da)
7943 - L Prog 3 Cash 111 Peak 119 BetAgainst (db)
7951 - L Prog 9 Cash 93 Peak 119 BetAgainst (db)
7953 - L Prog 27 Cash 39 Peak 119 BetAgainst (da)
7967 - W Prog 81 Cash 120 Peak 119 BetAgainst (db)<--------- max bet but mixed again da/db
###########################################
16830 - L Prog 1 Cash 253 Peak 255 BetAgainst (db)
16854 - L Prog 3 Cash 247 Peak 255 BetAgainst (db)
16860 - L Prog 9 Cash 229 Peak 255 BetAgainst (db)
16869 - L Prog 27 Cash 175 Peak 255 BetAgainst (db)
16872 - W Prog 81 Cash 256 Peak 255 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet but mixed again db/dc
###########################################
26012 - L Prog 1 Cash 383 Peak 385 BetAgainst (db)
26033 - L Prog 3 Cash 377 Peak 385 BetAgainst (db)
26044 - L Prog 9 Cash 359 Peak 385 BetAgainst (dc)
26048 - L Prog 27 Cash 305 Peak 385 BetAgainst (db)
26051 - W Prog 81 Cash 386 Peak 385 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet but mixed again db/dc
###########################################
30799 - L Prog 1 Cash 458 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)
30820 - L Prog 3 Cash 452 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)
30850 - L Prog 9 Cash 434 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)
30855 - L Prog 27 Cash 380 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)
30870 - W Prog 81 Cash 461 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet
progression lost 1 time
24541 - L Prog 1 Cash 362 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24548 - L Prog 3 Cash 356 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24555 - L Prog 9 Cash 338 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24580 - L Prog 27 Cash 284 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24592 - L Prog 81 Cash 122 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24607 - W Prog 243 Cash 365 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- progression lost
Unknown until JL tells us the rule for this scenario
25927 - L Prog 1 Cash 382 Peak 384 BetAgainst (db)
25932 - L Prog 3 Cash 376 Peak 384 BetAgainst (db)
25940 - L Prog 9 Cash 358 Peak 384 BetAgainst (dc)
25946 - L Prog 27 Cash 304 Peak 384 BetAgainst (db)
25974 - L Prog 81 Cash 142 Peak 384 BetAgainst (dc)
25982 - W Prog 243 Cash 385 Peak 384 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet but mixed again db/dc
###########################################
3745 - L Prog 1 Cash 48 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3756 - L Prog 3 Cash 42 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3768 - L Prog 9 Cash 24 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3769 - L Prog 27 Cash -30 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3777 - L Prog 81 Cash -192 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3787 - L Prog 243 Cash -678 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3789 - W Prog 729 Cash 51 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3804 - W Prog 1 Cash 52 Peak 51 BetAgainst (db)
3824 - W Prog 1 Cash 53 Peak 52 BetAgainst (dc)
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 22, 02:28 AM 2012
Thanks. By other stuff i just meant other methods. There are some people not only John that claim that a regular and NoZero Rng on BV behave differently but in reality there is no sure answer to this question except some randomness test. :D
Matt don't get me wrong. I'm not sayng BVNZ cheat. It may well be possible to rack up 11 consecutive 4 GAPS there. But then you've got to ask yourself, why a SNGLE ZERO WHEEL can't even do 7. It may be that the zero not being there affects the patterns random makes. Just as I asume a tracker is different. Do you see what I'm saying? The single zero wheel LIVE OR RNG. Isn't interested in going to 8 or beyond. What have I been playing for the last 18 years? A SINGLE ZERO WHEEL. So what is the value in playing it on anyother setup????
Then when it appears to lose easily, its ATTACK, ATTACK JL time. I've always said this test in the playground you intend to play for REAL.
QuoteMatt don't get me wrong. I'm not sayng BVNZ cheat. It may well be possible to rack up 11 consecutive 4 GAPS there. But then you've got to ask yourself, why a SNGLE ZERO WHEEL can't even do 7
Look at my results JL, we need some clarification first up, BUT the no zero BV wheel results didn't push too hard, no progression losses, on the otherhand, the 0 wheel file from Skakus had 1 definate bust and 1 possible bust, depending on what you say rule wise for multiple dozen triggers happening at the same time, what would you do?
3745 - L Prog 1 Cash 48 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3756 - L Prog 3 Cash 42 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3768 - L Prog 9 Cash 24 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3769 - L Prog 27 Cash -30 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3777 - L Prog 81 Cash -192 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3787 - L Prog 243 Cash -678 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3789 - W Prog 729 Cash 51 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3804 - W Prog 1 Cash 52 Peak 51 BetAgainst (db)
3824 - W Prog 1 Cash 53 Peak 52 BetAgainst (dc)
As you can see both dozen C, A and B were creating triggers and betting at some point in the above section, this caused the progression to go sky high!! so we/I need some clarification as to what YOU would have done, so I can tell the bot what to do
Quote from: superman on Oct 22, 08:42 AM 2012
Look at my results JL, we need some clarification first up, BUT the no zero BV wheel results didn't push too hard, no progression losses, on the otherhand, the 0 wheel file from Skakus had 1 definate bust and 1 possible bust, depending on what you say rule wise for multiple dozen triggers happening at the same time, what would you do?
3745 - L Prog 1 Cash 48 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3756 - L Prog 3 Cash 42 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3768 - L Prog 9 Cash 24 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3769 - L Prog 27 Cash -30 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3777 - L Prog 81 Cash -192 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3787 - L Prog 243 Cash -678 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3789 - W Prog 729 Cash 51 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3804 - W Prog 1 Cash 52 Peak 51 BetAgainst (db)
3824 - W Prog 1 Cash 53 Peak 52 BetAgainst (dc)
As you can see both dozen C, A and B were creating triggers and betting at some point in the above section, this caused the progression to go sky high!! so we/I need some clarification as to what YOU would have done, so I can tell the bot what to do
Superman I'm not entirely with you. You are saying 3 dozens all produced TREBLE TRIGGERS simultaneously?? I've never had more than one treble trigger at a time. Its hard enough for random to do this once.
Ive found it so hard to get a Treble Trigger I just play with Two Triggers
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 09:07 AM 2012
I've found it so hard to get a Treble Trigger I just play with Two Triggers
Exactly, I've done this too, betting against there being 7. Honestly people played in short bursts this thing will go a long time without loss. If Superman can only find one loss on an unofficial RNG in 32,000 spins. COME ON what do you people want?
.
And just to put that in context ALL my 19 Wins have come from playing 2 Triggers
IF I had been playing 3 I still would never of had a bet as ALL wins have been on the FIRST BET !
Latest Update +24pts Playing 2 Triggers
All 24 Bets Won First Time
QuoteYou are saying 3 dozens all produced TREBLE TRIGGERS simultaneously??
Nope, I'm saying 2 have at the same time not all 3. You may of not had this yet but you may at some point so I/we need to know what to do when it occurs.
Quote from: superman on Oct 22, 01:02 PM 2012
Nope, I'm saying 2 have at the same time not all 3. You may of not had this yet but you may at some point so I/we need to know what to do when it occurs.
A VOID Superman, we cannot entertain twin qualifiers. As we are using one progression at a time. So in the rare instance this occurs we let it go.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 12:58 PM 2012
Latest Update +24pts Playing 2 Triggers
All 24 Bets Won First Time
Twister that is a phenomenon in itself. 24 wins on the first bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just finished my first real session at BV in over a week. And I am back on track moving in the right direction again. I had 3 games of 8 on 1, Using double triggers. I won two on the first bet and one on the second bet. I also had 3 games of Five with the same result. BV single zero just can't string many of these 4 GAPS together. Played in short bursts. Its scary to think how far 8 ON 1 could go before it even catches SEVEN 4 GAPS.
Sorry for my bad english, but I don't understand your explanation? Can you please explain so I can understand? Just wait for a dozen not being hit for 4 times then start betting or what? What is a "trigger" ? I don't get it at all. This system is old? Wait for a dozen not being hit for 7 times then start betting etc, i read it before?
QuoteA VOID Superman. we cannot entertain twin qualifiers
So cancel both, would you not run with one of them, 1st to start etc? you would have to as you wouldn't know the next one was coming, so what you are saying is
DA whatever
DB 3,4,1,1,4
DC 4,3,2,4,4
C is ready to be bet on but as B has started to produce triggers you would ignore C now? but at what point would you scratch either, if one already had a 4 gap and then another had a 4 gap, scratch there or if one has 2 4 gaps and another starts?
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 22, 02:21 PM 2012
Sorry for my bad English, but I don't understand your explanation? Can you please explain so I can understand? Just wait for a dozen not being hit for 4 times then start betting or what? What is a "trigger" ? I don't get it at all. This system is old? Wait for a dozen not being hit for 7 times then start betting etc, i read it before?
The thinking might be old Ignatus. The possibilities are very enticing. Look below at the example of what would trigger a bet. In its strictest form we go after 3 consecutive 4 GAPS. Lately I have been going after 2. Because random is struggling so hard to even put three of these together. Although scrutinizing static results and trackers. Shows EIGHT consecutive 4 GAPS and beyond could occur. The reality is that the vast majority of the time, 6 is the best it can do. I am now 345/0 with 8 ON 1. Having never been taken beyond FIVE CONSECUTIVE 4 GAPS. Live or BV single zero.
DOZEN 2
04
03
03
04
04-----BET TRIGGER
02
01
04? ??? ?We now oppose this by betting on DOZEN 1 and DOZEN 3
Quote from: superman on Oct 22, 02:25 PM 2012
So cancel both, would you not run with one of them, 1st to start etc? you would have to as you wouldn't know the next one was coming, so what you are saying is
DA whatever
DB 3,4,1,1,4
DC 4,3,2,4,4
C is ready to be bet on but as B has started to produce triggers you would ignore C now? but at what point would you scratch either, if one already had a 4 gap and then another had a 4 gap, scratch there or if one has 2 4 gaps and another starts?
Okay im with you now Superman. In that scenario, we go and stay with the first to qualify. Ive had this once.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 22, 02:33 PM 2012
Okay I'm with you now Superman. In that scenario, we go and stay with the first to qualify. I've had this once.
That was my thinking also :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 22, 02:06 PM 2012
Twister that is a phenomenon in itself. 24 wins on the first bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just finished my first real session at BV in over a week. And I am back on track moving in the right direction again. I had 3 games of 8 on 1, Using double triggers. I won two on the first bet and one on the second bet. I also had 3 games of Five with the same result. BV single zero just can't string many of these 4 GAPS together. Played in short bursts. Its scary to think how far 8 ON 1 could go before it even catches SEVEN 4 GAPS.
Im happy with it :xd:
The amazin thing is IF I had been playin with 3 Triggers I still would NOT of even had a Bet !!
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 02:36 PM 2012
I'm happy with it :xd:
The amazin thing is IF I had been playing with 3 Triggers I still would NOT of even had a Bet !!
This is the reality of short burst play Twister. I truly believe played in that fashion you could go YEARS before you run into that nasty 8 or even 7. Im known for getting excited about the methods I believe in. But im telling everyone straight. This is one to seriously get over the top about. forget the 242 units risk. The time involved. Do you want to really win or not?? Thats the only question that matters. Ive seen guys blow 2 grand on methods that were always going to lose. And thats why if you find something this powerful at 1/8 of that risk. You should give it a serious look.
I know there will be members on this forum who will not even do that. And 3 years from now theyll still be crying about house edge and how we cant overcome it. This will definately be the last method I place on any forum. Im done now. The only thing left is for the openminded to get it on. And the sceptics to sneer at me, but at the same time. Watch what happens on BV over the next 3 years.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 22, 02:47 PM 2012
This is the reality of short burst play Twister. I truly believe played in that fashion you could go YEARS before you run into that nasty 8 or even 7. I'm known for getting excited about the methods I believe in. But I'm telling everyone straight. This is one to seriously get over the top about. forget the 242 units risk. The time involved. Do you want to really win or not?? that's the only question that matters. I've seen guys blow 2 grand on methods that were always going to lose. And that's why if you find something this powerful at 1/8 of that risk. You should give it a serious look.
I know there will be members on this forum who will not even do that. And 3 years from now theyll still be crying about house edge and how we can't overcome it. This will definately be the last method I place on any forum. I'm done now. The only thing left is for the openminded to get it on. And the sceptics to sneer at me, but at the same time. Watch what happens on BV over the next 3 years.
Well I tend to agree :xd:
Im not playing any other Method just this as I find this suits me fine and its not as slow as ppl make out
I find a Unit comes every 3 or 4 minutes when you put BV on auto spin. You have to pay attention but I like that :xd:
:) :) :)
I'm with twister and JL all the way. Don't pass this up - it has great potential.
A.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 02:53 PM 2012
Well I tend to agree :xd:
I'm not playing any other Method just this as I find this suits me fine and its not as slow as people make out
I find a Unit comes every 3 or 4 minutes when you put BV on auto spin. You have to pay attention but I like that :xd:
Im nervous for you on that BVNZ Twister. Tell you what if you make 1000 straight wins. I will send you a bottle of bubbly lol!!!
This method must be for live roulette only then? i tried it now and had one dozen not hit for 13 times at ordinary online casino.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 22, 02:59 PM 2012
I'm nervous for you on that BVNZ Twister. Tell you what if you make 1000 straight wins. I will send you a bottle of bubbly LoL!!!
Im ready to go to a 5 step but so far its Trigger Trigger Bet Win
No doubt over the next hours and days I will hit the 2nd step or 3rd but its all good, a wins a win :thumbsup:
And If I was playing a Live Trigger bet and another one Triggered I would ignore the new Triggered bet and continue with the current live one
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 22, 02:54 PM 2012
:) :) :)
I'm with twister and JL all the way. Don't pass this up - it has great potential.
A.
Really look forward to reading about ure results A :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 03:05 PM 2012
I'm ready to go to a 5 step but so far its Trigger Trigger Bet Win
No doubt over the next hours and days I will hit the 2nd step or 3rd but its all good, a wins a win :thumbsup:
And If I was playing a Live Trigger bet and another one Triggered I would ignore the new Triggered bet and continue with the current live one
That's what I mean Twister if you can rack up 1000 wins without losing the progression at BVNZ. I will be astonished. I will do it on the single zero. I have no doubt about that.
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 22, 03:00 PM 2012
This method must be for live roulette only then? i tried it now and had one dozen not hit for 13 times at ordinary online casino.
Ignatus show me with an example what you mean by 13 times. I think youve mis-understood the method. It sounds like you think we are betting against a single dozen sleeping for more than 4 spins. If so this isnt right.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 22, 03:10 PM 2012
That's what I mean Twister if you can rack up 1000 wins without losing the progression at BVNZ. I will be astonished. I will do it on the single zero. I have no doubt about that.
Well I will report the Truth 100%. If it busts on me I will say so.
I accept it *could* bust but you have to be in it to win it :xd:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 03:14 PM 2012
Well I will report the Truth 100%. If it busts on me I will say so.
I accept it *could* bust but you have to be in it to win it :xd:
Yeah I dont know who said he ate ELEVEN 4 GAPS at BVNZ. But im telling you that just wont happen anytime soon live. And not even BV single zero. You will see 60 reds in a row first. Random wants to be tucked up in bed before it even gets to 8.
Well, I'm still nibblin'
1, We track spins on the dozens and until we get a BET TRIGGER of three consecutive 4 GAPS
Do these three consecutive 4 GAPS all have to be on the same dozen?
Sam
QuoteDo these three consecutive 4 GAPS all have to be on the same dozen?
Yes Sam
QuoteOkay I'm with you now Superman. In that scenario, we go and stay with the first to qualify. I've had this once.
Ok code changed busy running now, will run against Skakus 32000 european spins and my BVNZ spins again, will post results soon
EDIT: results are in, BVNZ max progression used only 27 per dozen, Skakus 32000 spins, lost progression twice, see attached files.
Twister, can you confirm you are only waiting for 1 x 4 then betting when the dozen sleeps 4 times that it will sleep longer? if so I will change the bot a little to only wait for 2 triggers then rerun your method with the same spin files, let me know mate
hi, i got everything except how to play after first/second lost
example:
----DOZEN 2
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
-----04 - lost
-----after 3 spins i should bet 1/3 dozen? if lost..
-----after 3 spins more i should bet 1/3 dozen?
thank you.
Quote-----04-----BET TRIGGER
-----04 - lost
-----after 3 spins i should bet 1/3 dozen? if lost..
-----after 3 spins more i should bet 1/3 dozen?
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
-----04 - lost
-----wait for next 4 misses on that dozen, bet once only, if lost
-----wait again for the next 4 to form, if lost rinse and repeat, pray etc
Quote from: superman on Oct 22, 04:48 PM 2012
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
-----04 - lost
-----wait for next 4 misses on that dozen, bet once only, if lost
-----wait again for the next 4 to form, if lost rinse and repeat, pray etc
It would actually be 3 misses Superman. 4 misses would mean you are betting against a 5 GAP forming. Pray LoL!! I like it. Play this Hit and Run single zero. and the only praying will be coming from the people at BV longterm. Or live. Everytime I log on live theres at least 2 triggers waiting for me on one of the dozens. And I just go for it from there. This method can be slow. But it can have times where it isnt.
Quote from: superman on Oct 22, 04:21 PM 2012
Ok code EDIT: results are in, BVNZ max progression used only 27 per dozen, Skakus 32000 spins, lost progression twice, see attached files.
Thanks again superman.
So the end result for the 32000 numbers is -198 units.
The betting file stops at 31400, does that mean there was no bet for the last 600 spins or was there an active bet that ran short of spins so you removed it?
I've attached a second file of 32000 numbers, lets see if this system can make up some territory.
Cheers.
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 22, 05:39 PM 2012
Thanks again superman.
So the end result for the 32000 numbers is -198 units.
The betting file stops at 31400, does that mean there was no bet for the last 600 spins or was there an active bet that ran short of spins so you removed it?
I've attached a second file of 32000 numbers, lets see if this system can make up some territory.
Cheers.
Skakus everything playable is going to lose against 32,000 static results. In reality playing it for 1---4 games then shutting it down its another story. You will know I'm telling it like it is here. Because most of my progress on BV will be made with just FIVE and 8 ON 1. If 8 ON 1 doesn't deliver. I will be losing 242 points all the time. And when I've reached 3 figures that hole in the profit will be very noticeable. But I doubt it will happen very often. No ones going to sit down and play even 1000 spins.
Yes JL I understand you play a hit and run style attack but the jury's still out on that one so it is of interest to see what the overall results look like in terms of invincibility. So far there are some chinks appearing the armour.
My prediction is the progression will let this system down in the end so having these long term results could be constructive in finding a progression that performs better.
Something like, get trigger, bet 1.1 win stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win or lose stop.
Or even better, get trigger, bet 1.1 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger, win again stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger or lose stop.
The first one is easy to test with superman’s posted results.
Cheers.
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 22, 06:08 PM 2012
Yes JL I understand you play a hit and run style attack but the jury's still out on that one so it is of interest to see what the overall results look like in terms of invincibility. So far there are some chinks appearing the armour.
My prediction is the progression will let this system down in the end so having these long term results could be constructive in finding a progression that performs better.
Something like, get trigger, bet 1.1 win stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win or lose stop.
Or even better, get trigger, bet 1.1 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger, win again stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger or lose stop.
The first one is easy to test with superman’s posted results.
Cheers.
Skakus its open to imdividual interpretation. I don't personaly agree. Belief in this methods strength comes from years of what I didn't SEE. Without my own personal experience with the zone. I would probably be as sceptical as any casual observer. But I know played as I play there need be no compromise in staking. Just as your E/C money management system could suffer drawdowns quite regularly. Making for frustrating sessions. 8 ON 1 could indeed surrender the very occasional progression. But when its on a roll, what it will return will go beyond all expectations. That's where my mindset sits.
@superman
hi mate, soz I didnt really understand ure question but i will write out, in dozen form, how Im playing
Im waiting for 2 Triggers then betting
BUT the Triggers can look different, here are two examples which is one of each
122212221222 now bet against dozen 1
122212212212121212212221111222 now bet against dozen 1
Both are 2 4 gaps but both look very different. Hope that helps bud
I see the BVNZ numbers crunched well :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 22, 07:19 PM 2012
12221221221212121221222 -- now bet against 1? 1111222 now bet against dozen 1
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 22, 06:08 PM 2012
>>>My prediction is the progression will let this system down in the end so having these long term results could be constructive in finding a progression that performs better.
Something like,
1) get trigger, bet 1.1 win stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win or lose stop.
Or even better,
2) get trigger, bet 1.1 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger, win again stop / lose, get trigger bet 4.4 win bet 1.1 again immediately without new trigger or lose stop.
The first one is easy to test with superman’s posted results.
Cheers.
I have speed checked superman's betting file using the basic 1.1/4.4 progression for my first 32000 spins.
There were 36 progression busts each costing 10 units, and the total wins amounted to 359 units.
Incredibly, the total loss was 360 units and the total gain was 359 units, so the overall net loss for 32000 spins was 1 unit!
This is opposed to the JL 5 step progression loss of 198 units for the same sizeable set of spins.
I believe the second 1.1 / 4.4 progression I suggested would be even stronger than the first, but that would require a major recode and I’m sure superman has better things to do.
If superman can run the second set of 32000 spins I will check it over with the 1.1/4.4 progression to see if the comparisons are similar.
Cheers.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 22, 05:48 PM 2012
Skakus everything playable is going to lose against 32,000 static results. In reality playing it for 1---4 games then shutting it down its another story. You will know I'm telling it like it is here. Because most of my progress on BV will be made with just FIVE and 8 ON 1. If 8 ON 1 doesn't deliver. I will be losing 242 points all the time. And when I've reached 3 figures that hole in the profit will be very noticeable. But I doubt it will happen very often. No ones going to sit down and play even 1000 spins.
John the sample was 32000 spins but it was 290 games and 2 losses. Now all you say in defense of it is again hit and run philosophy. Stef tracker now Skakus test file produce different results.
Its now the only argument that's left. Your bet behaves like any other 4 or 5 step double dozen or column bet. You just had few lucky streaks and to be completely honest 70 consecutive wins on the last step of your progression in FIVE defies all the odds. This has to be some mistake in your stats.
To be fair I have checked over superman's BVNZ results as they have not recorded a loss for 8 ON 1.
In this instance the simple 1.1/4.4 progression shows 5 busts costing 50 units.
For these 10000 spins JL’s 5 step progression has recorded a profit of 92 units.
The 1.1/4.4 progression has recorded a profit of 59 units.
Though still behind overall, JL’s progression wins this round with a greater profit. However, despite the lesser win total I reckon if you run the percentages you will find the 1.1/4.4 progression will show a superior profit on turnover (edge).
Food for thought.
QuoteIt would actually be 3 misses Superman
But all examples show
----DOZEN 2
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
Your reply to one of my questions was
An example of a bet
Quote-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----04???--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP or more
Now you say
QuoteIt would actually be 3 misses Superman. 4 misses would mean you are betting against a 5 GAP forming
I am waiting for the dozen that already has 2 4 gaps to again count to 4 then bet against it, is this wrong? ??? ? should I be counting to 3 only? if so all tests will need re-running, let me know please.
QuoteThe betting file stops at 31400, does that mean there was no bet for the last 600 spins or was there an active bet that ran short of spins so you removed it?
For some reason the bot runs out of memory looks like 32000 lines of a file is a bit too much, maybe 30000 numbers in your next file please Skakus. But before we do that I need JL to clarify the above question.
Quote122212221222 now bet against dozen 1
isn't this the same as what JL is doing, it may be early for me but it looks the same, 2 4 gaps then bet, getting confused now, need clarification again from JL, the goal posts are moving again, or is it just me?
Quote from: superman on Oct 23, 03:04 AM 2012
For some reason the bot runs out of memory looks like 32000 lines of a file is a bit too much, maybe 30000 numbers in your next file please Skakus. But before we do that I need JL to clarify the above question.
Thanks for the answer. It's not a biggy and I've already posted the next 32000 spin file so just let 'em run and end where they do. ;)
Cheers.
Quote from: superman on Oct 23, 03:04 AM 2012
isn't this the same as what JL is doing, it may be early for me but it looks the same, 2 4 gaps then bet, getting confused now, need clarification again from JL, the goal posts are moving again, or is it just me?
Yes that is 2 4 Gaps
JL's Rules said wait for 3 Triggers, I only wait for 2
3 4 Gaps would look like this
1222122212221222 now bet against dozen 1
Hope that helps mate
JLs' rules are a bit confusing now, for me anyway LoL. I think, I have coded what you (Twister) is doing not what JL has stated, I am waiting for 2 4 gaps then for that dozen to miss 4 times then betting against it hitting, so 44 4 bet against, that's what I have been doing until now. Looks like its wrong then? I was working from his examples
----DOZEN 2
-----04 ---------------------------- 1st 4 gap
-----03
-----04 ---------------------------- 2nd 4 gap
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER ----------- counter = 4 start betting it will miss again, become a 5 gap or bigger, this is exactly what JL said. To me that is 2 triggers then a bet trigger where we start betting.
Theres always an issue with JL's explanations, JL WTF mate :yawn:
Quote from: superman on Oct 23, 03:44 AM 2012
JLs' rules are a bit confusing now, for me anyway LoL. I think, I have coded what you (Twister) is doing not what JL has stated, I am waiting for 2 4 gaps then for that dozen to miss 4 times then betting against it hitting, so 44 4 bet against, that's what I have been doing until now. Looks like its wrong then? I was working from his examples
----DOZEN 2
-----04 ---------------------------- 1st 4 gap
-----03
-----04 ---------------------------- 2nd 4 gap
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER ----------- counter = 4 start betting it will miss again, become a 5 gap or bigger, this is exactly what JL said. To me that is 2 triggers then a bet trigger where we start betting.
Theres always an issue with JL's explanations, JL WTF mate :yawn:
You have to wait for it to miss 3 times mate, like in my examples
12221 this is one 4 gap
biagle,
12221221221212121221222 -- now bet against 1? 1111222 now bet against dozen 1
No thats not correct as at that point that is the 2nd Trigger, my example is the correct one based on JL's instructions
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 22, 05:48 PM 2012
Skakus everything playable is going to lose against 32,000 static results.
Absolutely not true.
In reality playing it for 1---4 games then shutting it down its another story.
Reality? Or fictional? Like I said, the jury's out on that one.
You will know I'm telling it like it is here. Because most of my progress on BV will be made with just FIVE and 8 ON 1. If 8 ON 1 doesn't deliver. I will be losing 242 points all the time.
You won't need to lose 242 points all the time, only once or twice every 20 or 30 thousand spins is enough to cook your goose with this progression.
when I've reached 3 figures that hole in the profit will be very noticeable. But I doubt it will happen very often. No ones going to sit down and play even 1000 spins.
A personal permanence of 1000 spins is not even a drop in the ocean for serious or even novice players.
Well just had a session where I was taken to the 4th step
Wondered when it would come lol
Quote from: superman on Oct 23, 03:04 AM 2012
But all examples show
----DOZEN 2
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
Your reply to one of my questions was
An example of a bet
Now you say
I am waiting for the dozen that already has 2 4 gaps to again count to 4 then bet against it, is this wrong? ??? ? should I be counting to 3 only? if so all tests will need re-running, let me know please.
For some reason the bot runs out of memory looks like 32000 lines of a file is a bit too much, maybe 30000 numbers in your next file please Skakus. But before we do that I need JL to clarify the above question.
isn't this the same as what JL is doing, it may be early for me but it looks the same, 2 4 gaps then bet, getting confused now, need clarification again from JL, the goal posts are moving again, or is it just me?
No Superman, what you are doing is waiting for it to count to 3 then you bet against it becoming another 4 GAP as in the example below shown in numbers.
12--33--22--25--01--36--27--13--07--24--14--35------NOW WE BET AGAINST THE NEXT SPIN BEING DOZEN 1 to break the run of 4 GAPS.
So you bet after dozen one has slept for three spins Superman.
OK, let's take the 32,000 and play them--however you wish--until you get your first win. Mark the number you left off with and come back tomorrow. What has changed? Why would there be any difference in coming back and continuing on? There is not.
And that's the trouble with the wheel---there is no difference if you play live at a B&M and win one and leave or win one and stay. The next number spun is always a new number in a new universe.
I just posted a two-hour tutorial video on the G.U.T on Victor's new forum, Bet Selection cc. I address the notion of hit and run as I began playing and never got back to even, let alone make a profit. What does the "hit and run" gang do in such a case? This is real-time at Dublin with my own real fifty-cent pieces, not some theory or bloviation.
We all know events group together like birds on a wire. Last evening I had a terrible group of losing numbers. With every system you play, they will come. When they come to Jl--and they will--the flocking will create so many droppings the world will look level. My loss per spin last night was around six to nine Euros. That can be made up in a few spins. When you lose a 1 3 9 27 81, you will need 121 perfect games to get even. When those losers flock, that number can grow to several hundred quickly.
Just my opinion. And if John deletes it, I'll start a new thread with it.
Sam
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 23, 05:56 AM 2012
Well just had a session where I was taken to the 4th step
Wondered when it would come LoL
I knew too Twister, so what are your current totals. I was also taken to the fourth step today LIVE. But again the best it could show me was 6 consecutive 4 gaps. Below is the result of one of my games live. This is also a very telling sign that you will NOT lose the game.
DOZEN 1
04
02
03
04
01
01
03
03
02
01
01
03
03
02
04-----BET TRIGGER
07-----WIN BET 1
You see this was a game while DOZEN 1 was red hot. But that run can't last too long. And as 3 GAPS outnumbered 4 Gaps. A run beyond 4 was certain to come soon. You learn to read these things after years of seeing the same behaviour.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 23, 08:44 AM 2012
OK, let's take the 32,000 and play them--however you wish--until you get your first win. Mark the number you left off with and come back tomorrow. What has changed? Why would there be any difference in coming back and continuing on? There is not.
And that's the trouble with the wheel---there is no difference if you play live at a B&M and win one and leave or win one and stay. The next number spun is always a new number in a new universe.
I just posted a two-hour tutorial video on the G.U.T on Victor's new forum, Bet Selection cc. I address the notion of hit and run as I began playing and never got back to even, let alone make a profit. What does the "hit and run" gang do in such a case? This is real-time at Dublin with my own real fifty-cent pieces, not some theory or bloviation.
We all know events group together like birds on a wire. Last evening I had a terrible group of losing numbers. With every system you play, they will come. When they come to Jl--and they will--the flocking will create so many droppings the world will look level. My loss per spin last night was around six to nine Euros. That can be made up in a few spins. When you lose a 1 3 9 27 81, you will need 121 perfect games to get even. When those losers flock, that number can grow to several hundred quickly.
Just my opinion. And if John deletes it, I'll start a new thread with it.
Sam
Sam I'm not deleting anything. Here's how it stands. The only thing that makes people sit up and take notice these days is large sums of cash. When theres 10k sitting in Supermans BV account. Maybe a few more sceptics will begin to understand, I know what I'm talking about.
My current total is the same as yesterday plus 1
Ive been busy today and only played 1 game
Will be back on it laters :xd:
Ok to clarify
04-----BET TRIGGER
07-----WIN BET 1
at what point did you start betting the opposing 2 dozens, I know its the 07 but what was it when you started betting, 03 or 04
Current Update
32 Games Played
32 Games Won
+32pts
Quote from: superman on Oct 23, 01:00 PM 2012
Ok to clarify
04-----BET TRIGGER
07-----WIN BET 1
at what point did you start betting the opposing 2 dozens, I know its the 07 but what was it when you started betting, 03 or 04
Hi Superman,
The first step bet of 1-1 on the dozens would be after the 03 occurred (3 misses) and you are betting that the dozen will not hit on the fourth either.. and it won since the record shows it continued to miss until the 7th. spin.
If it HAD of hit on the 4th then you would have got:
04 --- BET TRIGGER
04 --- LOST step 1
so you wait for an 03 in the same dozen before ascending to step 2 level of 3-3
e.g.:
04 --- BET TRIGGER
04 --- LOST Step 1 at 1-1 units
03 --- BET TRIGGER to bet against 04 occurring with Step 2 at 3-3 units
Hope this explains,
A.
QuoteHope this explains
Cheers fella :thumbsup:
Jl
Well, Bro, if you do what you say you can do, you should win the Nobel Prize.
Skeptics have their place, you know!
Sam
Ok after some clarification the test bot has been changed ..... a lot, it appears I was running 2 triggers, the same as TwisterUK is playing, so all the previous results are to be compared with Twisters method of play, all the busts too lol
I have just rerun the 10360 real money BVNZ spins and both spin files from Skakus, all attached, of course waiting for the extra trigger has meant a lot less bets were placed, but progression was never breached, came to the max once on Skakus 320001.txt and that's a bad as it got.
So, Superman, are you saying that IF we had a set of hard-and-fast, etched in stone and copied on Holy Parchment rules, this thing would work?
Thank you for you bot and all your hard work on this idea.
Sam
Quote from: superman on Oct 23, 03:12 PM 2012
Ok after some clarification the test bot has been changed ..... a lot, it appears I was running 2 triggers, the same as TwisterUK is playing, so all the previous results are to be compared with Twisters method of play, all the busts too LoL
I have just rerun the 10360 real money BVNZ spins and both spin files from Skakus, all attached, of course waiting for the extra trigger has meant a lot less bets were placed, but progression was never breached, came to the max once on Skakus 320001.txt and that's a bad as it got.
Thats Awesome to read that you finally got the rules nailed superman
Maybe someone can bot it now :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 23, 08:57 AM 2012
Sam I'm not deleting anything. Here's how it stands. The only thing that makes people sit up and take notice these days is large sums of cash. When theres 10k sitting in Supermans BV account. Maybe a few more sceptics will begin to understand, I know what I'm talking about.
John, its not about sceptics. No one is doubting that this will work...they are seeing with their own eyes that it is close ....very close, to not working. that's not sceptical. These are clever people who see things arnt as rosy as you say they are. If it got to 81-81 to win 1U, even idiots like me will raise an eyebrow.
81-81 is close John. Blo0dy close!
and BVNZ only went to the 4th step
Thats nice know while play with 5 :xd:
Actually...here is a good question....to Twister,superman, John...anyone really.
If if loses 1-3-9-27....will you place the 162U, or take the loss. Are you that confident this is a limit of random?
Thank you for sharing your idea.
bob.
Quote from: atlantis on Oct 23, 02:09 PM 2012
Hi Superman,
The first step bet of 1-1 on the dozens would be after the 03 occurred (3 misses) and you are betting that the dozen will not hit on the fourth either.. and it won since the record shows it continued to miss until the 7th. spin.
If it HAD of hit on the 4th then you would have got:
04 --- BET TRIGGER
04 --- LOST step 1
so you wait for an 03 in the same dozen before ascending to step 2 level of 3-3
e.g.:
04 --- BET TRIGGER
04 --- LOST Step 1 at 1-1 units
03 --- BET TRIGGER to bet against 04 occurring with Step 2 at 3-3 units
Now I'm confused? You say once you lose the first step of the progression you must only bet the remaining steps of the progression when a trigger presents on the same dozen?
I thought you could move to the next step of the progression on any trigger dozen?
If not able to move then once you lose a step you are locked in to the losing dozen. This means either skimming over many possible triggers, or reaching a stage where you have up to three separate bets going on the three different dozens at different levels of progressions, and I don't think that's right?
Hey superman did you lock into the same dozen for subsequent bets? Is that why the betting opportunities where down? Not enough bets mate, somethings wrong.
Jl, can you verify?
Quote from: Turner on Oct 23, 03:55 PM 2012
Actually...here is a good question....to Twister,superman, John...anyone really.
If if loses 1-3-9-27....will you place the 162U, or take the loss. Are you that confident this is a limit of random?
I think JL addressed this in rule 3 first post of thread.
Cheers.
skakus you got more of your rng spins say over 100000....thanks
QuoteSo, Superman, are you saying that IF we had a set of hard-and-fast, etched in stone and copied on Holy Parchment rules, this thing would work?
Thank you for you bot and all your hard work on this idea
It would appear so Sam, so far anyway, although 81-81 for 1 unit is high risk, but if it didnt go there often it would work, but if it did go there and beyond, then I somehow feel you would be playing or running the bot for days and lose it all in a flash so depending on how often a loss happens really, as you can see with Skakus first spin file the max bet was reached instantly, so there goes the hit n run myth, first trigger COULD have demolished a large part of the bankroll, interested to hear JLs' response on that as hit n run would have been sit n sweat for 466 spins
71 - L Prog 1 Cash -2 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da)
203 - L Prog 3 Cash -8 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da)
356 - L Prog 9 Cash -26 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da)
378 - L Prog 27 Cash -80 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da)
466 - W Prog 81 Cash 1 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da) It isn't hard work Sam, just time consuming.
QuoteMaybe someone can bot it now
Easily done, but as I've said before I only make individual bots not one size fits all, but, for this method would you really want your pc sitting there for 31000+ spins to make about 70 - 100 units? BV would probably give you around 18000 spins per 24 hours, they stop you at 24 hours too, it could be done but will take a good few days to see any value, depending on chip values obviousley, forget 0.05 cents lol this method would probably be best as an add on to other methods, playing versus return is very low in this case, my opinion of course.
QuoteHey superman did you lock into the same dozen for subsequent bets? Is that why the betting opportunities where down? Not enough bets mate, somethings wrong
Yes mate, JL said he takes the first one that started so thats what I have done in the bot, IF ANY dozen gets the 1st trigger that dozen now becomes the betting target so yes you would probably lose some betting opportunities. DONT forget the previous tests were run on only 2 triggers and waiting for the count to hit 4 before betting, NOW after calrification from JL and Atlantis, it waits for 4 triggers and starts betting at a count of 3.
QuoteActually...here is a good question....to Twister,superman, John...anyone really
If if loses 1-3-9-27....will you place the 162U, or take the loss. Are you that confident this is a limit of random?
I just test and report the results mate, I think the other guys would take that risk though, I would with 1 cent chips :twisted:
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 23, 04:41 PM 2012
I think JL addressed this in rule 3 first post of thread.
Cheers.
Skakus, I wasnt meaning making a decision of playing 5 step or prefering 4 step after the trigger betting against 7 consecutive 4 GAPS. I was saying...you like the original idea and trust it, but it takes you to 4 step, would you lay 162 U with complete trust in its ability to bamboozle random
Quote from: superman on Oct 23, 04:58 PM 2012
Yes mate, JL said he takes the first one that started so that's what I have done in the bot, IF ANY dozen gets the 1st trigger that dozen now becomes the betting target so yes you would probably lose some betting opportunities. don't forget the previous tests were run on only 2 triggers and waiting for the count to hit 4 before betting, NOW after calrification from JL and Atlantis, it waits for 4 triggers and starts betting at a count of 3.
I thought you were supposed to wait for 3 triggers then bet after a count of 3 to stop the 4th trigger forming? I'm still not clear on the locking into the same dozen for the entire progression either? Maybe he did, but I don't recall JL saying this.
QuoteI'm still not clear on the locking into the same dozen for the entire progression either? Maybe he did, but I don't recall JL saying this
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Quote from: superman on Yesterday at 08:25:52 AM (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10468.msg95124#msg95124) So cancel both, would you not run with one of them, 1st to start etc? you would have to as you wouldn't know the next one was coming, so what you are saying is
DA whatever
DB 3,4,1,1,4
DC 4,3,2,4,4
C is ready to be bet on but as B has started to produce triggers you would ignore C now? but at what point would you scratch either, if one already had a 4 gap and then another had a 4 gap, scratch there or if one has 2 4 gaps and another starts?
Okay I'm with you now Superman. In that scenario, we go and stay with the first to qualify. I've had this once.
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>>> So cancel both, would you not run with one of them, 1st to start etc? you would have to as you wouldn't know the next one was coming, so what you are saying is
DA whatever
DB 3,4,1,1,4
DC 4,3,2,4,4
C is ready to be bet on but as B has started to produce triggers you would ignore C now? but at what point would you scratch either, if one already had a 4 gap and then another had a 4 gap, scratch there or if one has 2 4 gaps and another starts?
Okay I'm with you now Superman. In that scenario, we go and stay with the first to qualify. I've had this once. <<<
I read that as, go with DC because it is the first to form 3 gaps of 4. Now stay with DC until it reaches a 3 count then bet DA & DB once to stop DC forming a 4th gap of 4.
But if you lose the bet and DC forms a 4th gap of 4, then you are free to hunt a new bet trigger from any dozen to play the next step of the progression.
JL, is this correct?
superman, is this what you're doing?
Or do we now just continue betting DC once each time it reaches a 3 count until we win or lose all 5 steps of the progression?
Let me get this right.
You place 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27, 81-81 = 242 total.
I like the idea of steady wins but not sure if I could watch the last bet.
bob.
Hello Turner!
You can play with GAPs in sixlines there i wait 2 consecutive 10 or more GAPs and bet. You can check.
75 win
ZERO lost
risk 5 units.
Yes, sometimes you have to wait a long time but it is better to know than to lose 80 or more units
Quote from: superman on Oct 23, 01:00 PM 2012
Ok to clarify
04-----BET TRIGGER
07-----WIN BET 1
at what point did you start betting the opposing 2 dozens, I know its the 07 but what was it when you started betting, 03 or 04
Three Superman, always three.
Quotesuperman, is this what you're doing?
Yes Skakus, the first dozen to have a 4 gap is the only one I work with now, you see, in the code I start a count when a dozen gets a 4 gap, before I wouldn't check to see if any of them had a count greater than 0 hence 2 dozens counting at the same time, so now I just added a small bit of code to check if any other dozen is counting, if it is, then I don't count on any other dozens until the dozen that started has finished/won/or had a gap bigger than 4, hope that all makes sense.
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Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 24, 05:06 AM 2012
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twister how many 4 gaps do you wait for until betting...... n how many average spins do you have to play to get the required 4 gaps.... and do you play rng or live.....
Quote from: superman on Oct 24, 04:38 AM 2012
Yes Skakus, the first dozen to have a 4 gap is the only one I work with now, you see, in the code I start a count when a dozen gets a 4 gap, before I wouldn't check to see if any of them had a count greater than 0 hence 2 dozens counting at the same time, so now I just added a small bit of code to check if any other dozen is counting, if it is, then I don't count on any other dozens until the dozen that started has finished/won/or had a gap bigger than 4, hope that all makes sense.
Hi superman,
Yes this is how I play it too... Stick with the first doz to qualify until won (or finish)
After the *expected* win, at whatever bet level that is, I will then check the state of the other 2 dozens to see how they are faring and if any triggers are active but in any case I wait for the next BET TRIGGER to happen and begin betting against a 4-GAP forming after 3 misses on that doz -restarting of course at the 1-1 unit level.
I think JL said play 4 or 5 games then stop for that session.
A.
Quote from: ashwinsinha on Oct 24, 05:59 AM 2012
twister how many 4 gaps do you wait for until betting...... n how many average spins do you have to play to get the required 4 gaps.... and do you play rng or live.....
I play waiting for 2 4 gaps around 30-80 spins (lowest 19) rng, BVNZ on auto spin
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 24, 06:46 AM 2012
I play waiting for 2 4 gaps around 30-80 spins (lowest 19) rng, BVNZ on auto spin
Quote from: marivo on Oct 15, 08:33 AM 2012
In fun mode on BVnoZ I reached 8 consecutive 4 gaps on single doz (just 1,2 or 3 gaps between) in my very first attempt where I observed single doz consecutive 4 gaps. Numbers are attached. It happened on doz 3.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 15, 08:39 AM 2012
Marivo I have never recorded even 5 in REAL MONEY MODE. On BV single zero. I think the nozero is tougher to beat. It changes something In the flow of results
Quote from: marivo on Oct 15, 09:11 AM 2012
You won't believe it.....it went to 11 consecutive 4 gaps on doz 3! It was stopped by 5 gap. Numbers attached. It was continuation of the previous seasson.
Carfully with BVnoZ!
Tested 10 games playing the same way as TwisterUK.
10 wins and no losses. early days yet.
bob.
A NoZero wheel is of course easier to beat, who do not understand that, has to learn how the game works.
I do not play the NOzero, due to the 10% tax on winnings, that is the only reason.
A NoZero wheel is easier to beat PERIOD. It you think otherwise, you must say the casino cheat or take a class in math.
A wheel is not rigged, because you happen to lose, it is allways hard to beat a wheel.
Quote from: Ralph on Oct 24, 08:33 AM 2012
A NoZero wheel is of course easier to beat, who do not understand that, has to learn how the game works.
I do not play the NOzero, due to the 10% tax on winnings, that is the only reason.
A NoZero wheel is easier to beat PERIOD. It you think otherwise, you must say the casino cheat or take a class in math.
A wheel is not rigged, because you happen to lose, it is allways hard to beat a wheel.
ALL i can say is RNG is not a roulette they are slots and give payout ensuring casino reaches its own daily profit, if casino looses using particular software it will terminate its contract with that particular software provider, so rng's are programed to go against [not all players] but to make sure casino has its daily profit.....
the reason why some WH players are banned access from live casino and are still allowed to play rng n all proves the fact that RNG are totally against the players.............
i always play live wheel have been in plus till now..... i always keep stop loss limit.... coz not every night is a winning night so you need to know when to stop.....
Quote from: ashwinsinha on Oct 24, 09:42 AM 2012
ALL i can say is RNG is not a roulette they are slots and give payout ensuring casino reaches its own daily profit, if casino loses using particular software it will terminate its contract with that particular software provider, so rng's are programed to go against [not all players] but to make sure casino has its daily profit.....
the reason why some WH players are banned access from live casino and are still allowed to play rng n all proves the fact that RNG are totally against the players.............
i always play live wheel have been in plus till now..... I always keep stop-loss limit.... because not every night is a winning night so you need to know when to stop.....
It is true that some casino's are cheating with their RNG's but that doesn't mean that all RNG's are rigged.
Do you think BVno0 cheats?
Quote from: Amazin on Oct 24, 10:58 AM 2012
Do you think BVno0 cheats?
Well for me I find it strange that I can play sucesfully on live wheels, but when I go onto BV for a short time I win then guess what? Lose, Lose, Lose, back to live wheel and winning sessions.
Is BV rigged I don't can't say, but wont play there anymore thats for sure.
malcop
Quote from: malcop on Oct 24, 11:35 AM 2012
Well for me I find it strange that I can play sucesfully on live wheels, but when I go onto BV for a short time I win then guess what? Lose, Lose, Lose, back to live wheel and winning sessions.
Is BV rigged I don't can't say, but won't play there anymore that's for sure.
malcop
On the European Roulette or the No Zero version?
Quote from: SamNL on Oct 24, 11:38 AM 2012
On the European Roulette or the No Zero version?
Both, and not much luck playing Baccarat on there either!
Quote from: SamNL on Oct 24, 11:38 AM 2012
On the European Roulette or the No Zero version?
I dont think BV single zero cheat. BVNZ is temptation itself. With no risk to move the wheel you have no handicap. And zero house edge. But are you paying for those advantages in some other way? Thats the question. Im curious to see how Twister fares. He has been doing very well so far. With speedy turnover on a slow method. I think if you play short bursts you can do well. If you play long drawn out sessions. I think you will get taken.
Quote from: Ralph on Oct 24, 08:33 AM 2012
A NoZero wheel is of course easier to beat, who do not understand that, has to learn how the game works.
I do not play the NOzero, due to the 10% tax on winnings, that is the only reason.
A NoZero wheel is easier to beat PERIOD. It you think otherwise, you must say the casino cheat or take a class in math.
A wheel is not rigged, because you happen to lose, it is allways hard to beat a wheel.
Ralph Im not taking about the house edge. I believe theres a possibility that without the zero. The formation of runs and patterns is affected. And things that wouldnt happen on a 37 numbered wheel could possibly happen on BVNZ. Thats all im saying. So a method thats engineered to play and beat the classic single zero wheel. Might not perform the same on the no zero wheel.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 24, 01:14 PM 2012
Ralph I'm not taking about the house edge. I believe theres a possibility that without the zero. The formation of runs and patterns is affected. And things that wouldnt happen on a 37 numbered wheel could possibly happen on BVNZ. that's all I'm saying. So a method that's engineered to play and beat the classic single zero wheel. Might not perform the same on the no zero wheel.
I can not see any methods which work better with more zeros. You can find zero wheel at BV which pays without the house edge, even an American wheel, but normally they do not change the odds.
It you play EC on a No Zero or play on a zero wheel and no surrender, it will never be loss to zero.
The NoZero tax the net winnings by 10%, at nodays each session, so that is the disadvantages.
Still you win easier, but not sure the net is better.
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Quote from: Ralph on Oct 24, 01:23 PM 2012
I can not see any methods which work better with more zeros. You can find zero wheel at BV which pays without the house edge, even an American wheel, but normally they do not change the odds.
It you play EC on a No Zero or play on a zero wheel and no surrender, it will never be loss to zero.
The NoZero tax the net winnings by 10%, at nodays each session, so that is the disadvantages.
Still you win easier, but not sure the net is better.
Again I'm not talking about house edge. I'm talking about the way the zero effects the formation oF patterns example...
01--30--34--13--07--13--24--23--09--24--Z--18--21--11-----The zeros appearance here has pushed everything one step forward. What might have been a string of 4 GAPS is now broken. The green goblin has an effect on pattern formation and the overall flow of things. A method that works in spite of it being there. Might not work as well in its absence.
15 games = 15 wins. So far so good.
bob.
which one is better? this or FIVE? I don't understand any of it, lol
Quote-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----02
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
-----DOZEN 2
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
there are only 3 dozens is there?
Quote from: superman on Oct 23, 03:12 PM 2012
Ok after some clarification the test bot has been changed ..... a lot, it appears I was running 2 triggers, the same as TwisterUK is playing, so all the previous results are to be compared with Twisters method of play, all the busts too LoL
I have just rerun the 10360 real money BVNZ spins and both spin files from Skakus, all attached, of course waiting for the extra trigger has meant a lot less bets were placed, but progression was never breached, came to the max once on Skakus 320001.txt and that's a bad as it got.
The results here using Skakus files and BVNZ spins in terms of turnover are very similar to Stef tracker in Excel using 500 RNG generated spins. Quite often no bets in 500 spins. You see some 8 gaps and bigger once in a while. Its rare of course because its rare to get a game with all the triggers. But i guess apparently RNG in Excel behaves more randomly then on BV where in a few hundred games its virtually impossible to see even 7 gaps. ;D
Quote from: ugly bob on Oct 24, 03:29 PM 2012
15 games = 15 wins. So far so good.
bob.
How ugly are you, bob?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 25, 03:25 AM 2012
How ugly are you, bob?
They turn off the cameras whenever I walk into the bank!
20 games = 20 wins. I think I will take a chance with this one for small stakes.
bob.
I am considering playing sleeping dozens when playing 8 on 1 and **Five** to get some more betting opportunities.
Not sure how long I should let one sleep before betting...any Ideas? I am thinking if a dozen sleeps for 7 spins bet one unit on the sleeper and 1 unit on the most recent (for repeaters) to hit.
I am sure the sleeping dozen method has been hashed and re-hashed on here before.
I guess it will come down to personal choice.
I wish I could bet the over/under on how long the waitress comes back with my drink. Always bet the over.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 26, 07:52 AM 2012
I am considering playing sleeping dozens when playing 8 on 1 and **Five** to get some more betting opportunities.
Not sure how long I should let one sleep before betting...any Ideas? I am thinking if a dozen sleeps for 7 spins bet one unit on the sleeper and 1 unit on the most recent (for repeaters) to hit.
I am sure the sleeping dozen method has been hashed and re-hashed on here before.
I guess it will come down to personal choice.
I wish I could bet the over/under on how long the waitress comes back with my drink. Always bet the over.
While tracking for a game of 8 on1 a few days ago. Dozen 2 slept for 24 spins. I was tempted to chase it after 20 but didn't. Few streaks break the 30 barrier. Superman could bot up how often a progression from 16 to 29---478 units risk would hold. I've only seen the 30 barrier broken 4 times in 18 years playing this game. Thousands of long sleepers rise and shine between 16-----29.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 26, 08:45 AM 2012
While tracking for a game of 8 on1 a few days ago. Dozen 2 slept for 24 spins. I was tempted to chase it after 20 but didn't. Few streaks break the 30 barrier. Superman could bot up how often a progression from 16 to 29---478 units risk would hold. I've only seen the 30 barrier broken 4 times in 18 years playing this game. Thousands of long sleepers rise and shine between 16-----29.
Wow 24 spins is a long time. I wouldn't feel comfortable betting only on the sleeping dozen. Always hedging my bet on also the last dozen hit as well as the sleeper.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 26, 02:08 PM 2012
Wow 24 spins is a long time. I wouldn't feel comfortable betting only on the sleeping dozen. Always hedging my bet on also the last dozen hit as well as the sleeper.
Yes I don't advise trying to outlive a losing streak straight off the layout. It would just be interesting to see how often it breaks the 30 barrier. 8 ON 1 played on the DOZENS ONLY (Leave the columns alone) Is performing very well. I am 370/0 now. Still haven't seen worse than a 6 live or RNG. The more I think about it the more I know, that Hit and Run is vastly superior to continuos play. When you play continuosly, you are travelling towards a loss. When you play Hit and Run. The only way you can lose is to land ON TOP of a loss.
Now with a method like 8 ON 1. The chances of you landing dead on top of that 8 are remote to say the least. I could land half way through a loss many times. But never experience a dead hit. And I probably have done this several times already. That is the crucial factor that is being missed by the anti HAR brigade. And this could go on for thousands of games. 500/1 longterm and I am happy.
JL...what is your definition of hit and run??
Are you saying one hit and done? Or 3...or 4?? What is your limit at one sitting?
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 26, 03:46 PM 2012
JL...what is your definition of hit and run??
Are you saying one hit and done? Or 3...or 4?? What is your limit at one sitting?
Never EVER more than 4 games Kevin. Most of the time I play two. But PURE HIT AND RUN. Is one game and DONE. And if you hit 3 or 4 tables for 1 game a piece in your session. You are going to do even better. Get off the track quickly. Remember that wheel is turning constantly. And the chances of you landing dead on top of a losing game are very, very small. If you keep it short.
You will literally defy random and the odds and come out overall with profit in the longterm. When I played long drawn out sessions I LOST. And I still will IF I play that way. But since I have adopted this approach overall I have made profit. And never had a losing year. You only have to think about it. Forget about all you have heard about the game. And think then think some more. To lose at 8 ON 1 playing HIT AND RUN. You have to land directly on top of an 8. It can happen YES. But it will happen a lot, lot less. Than if you just stay there betting for even 20 games in a row. Because you will be more likely to travel into a loss. Even if there was one loss every 100 games. It would be harder to find it playing Hit and Run, than playing straight through 100 games. That should be basic common sense to all.
Dang, John. There's almost some logic in that!!
Keep on truckin'.
TCS
John,
Just curious, but if you are playing **Five** and during that game you encounter a betting opportunity for 8 on 1 and win...do you finish out the game of Five???? I am guessing you do. I would.
A while ago a forum member here Roletti tested some of the methods including Code 4 using hit and run approach versus a continuous play. He found not much difference in a strike rate in the long run.
It just experienced some fluctuations which are normal. Im sure if somebody repeated the tests the results would be the same. So if we play 100 games continuously one after another our odds of experiencing a loss are bigger if our games are separated by 100 spins? ;D And John when you started your challenge with FIVE on Bayes RNG you played a lot games every day...
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 26, 09:39 PM 2012
John,
Just curious, but if you are playing **Five** and during that game you encounter a betting opportunity for 8 on 1 and win...do you finish out the game of Five? ??? I am guessing you do. I would.
No Kevin, I have total faith in both methods ability to stand alone. Remember ive only had the one loss on FIVE. On a live wheel with a zero involved. The method is going strong. Its a winner just like 8 ON 1. You stay with it and youll see. STAY WITH DOZENS though.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 27, 02:36 AM 2012
A while ago a forum member here Roletti tested some of the methods including Code 4 using hit and run approach versus a continuous play. He found not much difference in a strike rate in the long run.
It just experienced some fluctuations which are normal. I'm sure if somebody repeated the tests the results would be the same. So if we play 100 games continuously one after another our odds of experiencing a loss are bigger if our games are separated by 100 spins? ;D And John when you started your challenge with FIVE on Bayes RNG you played a lot games every day...
Matt I've just realized you don't understand what I'm talking about regarding HIT AND RUN. I don't think many do. Its NOT about separating the games. Its about getting OFF THE TRACK. We all agree that random is constantly morphing, changing its flow RIGHT? that's why its so hard for a rigid mechanical method to get the better of it. Random is like water It can flow into any shape, form eventually.
But for it to beat 8 on 1, you have to land directly on top of that loss. CODE 4 is a different animal to 8 ON 1 Matt. With CODE 4 random has a code to figure out. Which it of course eventually will. With 8 ON 1 random has to stretch to a virtual limit its hard pressed to do. PLUS it has to do it EXACTLY at the same time I decide to play a game. Do you see the difference?. What I'm asking random to do to beat me. Is stretch itself way beyond its comfort zone (FOUR CONSECUTIVE 4 GAPS) Whenever I feel like it. And as time will show. That is asking too much. Of course it will eventually lose. I never doubt that. What I always say is in the meantime it could give me who knows how many wins.
Yes I played a lot of games on Bayes RNG, but they were separated not continuos. When I played long sessions, you saw what happenned to me. Theres only one way I DEFINATELY know how to win. I've been trying to get this across to you for nearly 2 years on this forum. Forget if I go up or down, or sideways. Come december 31st my first milestone of 50 euros will have been reached. Come december 31st 2013 my second milestone of 10k will have been reached. And only HIT AND RUN can do this for ME.....
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 27, 03:23 AM 2012
Matt I've just realized you don't understand what I'm talking about regarding HIT AND RUN. I don't think many do. Its NOT about separating the games. Its about getting OFF THE TRACK. We all agree that random is constantly morphing, changing its flow RIGHT? that's why its so hard for a rigid mechanical method to get the better of it. Random is like water It can flow into any shape, form eventually.
But for it to beat 8 on 1, you have to land directly on top of that loss. CODE 4 is a different animal to 8 ON 1 Matt. With CODE 4 random has a code to figure out. Which it of course eventually will. With 8 ON 1 random has to stretch to a virtual limit its hard pressed to do. PLUS it has to do it EXACTLY at the same time I decide to play a game. Do you see the difference?. What I'm asking random to do to beat me. Is stretch itself way beyond its comfort zone (FOUR CONSECUTIVE 4 GAPS) Whenever I feel like it. And as time will show. That is asking too much. Of course it will eventually lose. I never doubt that. What I always say is in the meantime it could give me who knows how many wins.
Yes I played a lot of games on Bayes RNG, but they were separated not continuos. When I played long sessions, you saw what happenned to me. Theres only one way I DEFINATELY know how to win. I've been trying to get this across to you for nearly 2 years on this forum. Forget if I go up or down, or sideways. Come december 31st my first milestone of 50 euros will have been reached. Come december 31st 2013 my second milestone of 10k will have been reached. And only HIT AND RUN can do this for ME.....
John
My point was about playing just 4 games a day like you do and claiming a superiority of this approach. There were few simulations done already that did not show any difference in a strike rate. Which methods were tested is irrelevant. If your method works HAR it should work in larger number of games played continuously. There is always a set of numbers that defeats your method some time and if you put together randomly 100 random samples of 10 spins each do you think that you have a lesser chance to get it than in one continuous 1000 spin sample? Both samples represent just a equally random set of spins. Its statistics 101 ;D and you can not ignore this fact. Your winning runs are certainly not attributed to HAR factor. And getting off the track i would rather call a luck factor. Its the most under appreciated factor in beating roulette.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 27, 04:45 AM 2012
John
My point was about playing just 4 games a day like you do and claiming a superiority of this approach. There were few simulations done already that did not show any difference in a strike rate. Which methods were tested is irrelevant. If your method works HAR it should work in larger number of games played continuously. There is always a set of numbers that defeats your method some time and if you put together randomly 100 random samples of 10 spins each do you think that you have a lesser chance to get it than in one continuous 1000 spin sample? Both samples represent just a equally random set of spins. Its statistics 101 ;D and you can not ignore this fact. Your winning runs are certainly not attributed to HAR factor. And getting off the track i would rather call a luck factor. Its the most under appreciated factor in beating roulette.
No Matt you have mis-understood me. I mean 4 games a SESSION not day. I might play 20--30 games a day but NEVER more than 4 at a time.
Most fluctuations comes in shorter runs, that do not means hit and run allways are better.
But for example a streak never last, so reset or change methods or break is not at all bad.
Continue running the same will be hit by random at some point. Its a work of random if we get our methods winning numbers as well.
Breaking up the play can reduce misstakes, we get tired and lose focus after a while.
We all know we have days which are better, and if we feel it is not working now, why do not wait then?
Quote from: Ralph on Oct 27, 07:26 AM 2012
Most fluctuations comes in shorter runs, that do not means hit and run allways are better.
But for example a streak never last, so reset or change methods or break is not at all bad.
Continue running the same will be hit by random at some point. Its a work of random if we get our methods winning numbers as well.
Breaking up the play can reduce misstakes, we get tired and lose focus after a while.
We all know we have days which are better, and if we feel it is not working now, why do not wait then?
Breaking up the play is the ONLY WAY I am certain I will win. I cannot say that about sitting there waitng for the inevitable to happen. Many of you don't understand that when you leave a wheel its still spinning. While you are away the loss that was wating for any foolish enough to play for endless hours has likely come and gone. Now when I come back to play the MAJOR DIFFERENCE. Is for me to lose I have to land BANG ON TOP, of the losing game. Until you take this onboard you will never understand how I'm going to do what I'm going to do over the next three years.
What you're doing is playing a 5 step progression on 2 dozens.
If you just did that continuously from the start you would land on a loser soon enough.
But you are breaking up the game with a convoluted trigger & selection process. The resulting broken up game is for all intents and purposes the same as playing hit and run.
So you are playing a 5 step progression on 2 dozens using hit and run to the power of 2.
Just my opinion. :)
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 28, 04:14 AM 2012
What you're doing is playing a 5 step progression on 2 dozens.
If you just did that continuously from the start you would land on a loser soon enough.
But you are breaking up the game with a convoluted trigger & selection process. The resulting broken up game is for all intents and purposes the same as playing hit and run.
So you are playing a 5 step progression on 2 dozens using hit and run to the power of 2.
Just my opinion. :)
Yes Skakus the purpose is to get off the track. Its like when you handed 32,000 spins to Superman and said right lets see how Jls 8 ON 1 stands up to this. I am actually surprised there werent at least 3 or 4 losses in there. Its a good job Superman didn't test it on Columns, because I got my arse kicked playing 8 ON 1 on COLUMNS Tuesday night. And it wasn't that the progression lost. I got two SEVENS in three hours. My problem was I went in after two triggers. And started too heavy. And because I am not allowed to bet more than 1 EURO 100 points. I ran out of steam before the losing run ended. And as a result found myself 6.5 Euros down for the day.
So 8 ON 1 is not stable on COLUMNS. On the Dozens however I still haven't had more than FIVE 4 GAPS. at BV.and 6 live. And FIVE is off on another wonder run. I know some people will never get or accept how I play. But its worked for me, because I have stayed with it and understood why it works. Theres no old thinking in my head. Only what transpires in front of me as that wheel spins. I am back on the up and up. And in November. I am going to spend an entire week playing nothing but BV. that's when I will make some serious progress.
JL
What you see inside random is really a different and refreshing twist on an old game. You have a vision and passion. I myself have questioned is the 4 gap method any different or better then just
playing 2 dozens on a four step progression. Maybe it is....maybe it isn't.
I don't believe random knows what a four gap or any gap is for that matter.
It is a pattern man (you) have witnessed over years of playing. It is a pattern that is easy to play within a relatively short amount of time for a hit and run.
If you like to play a new twist on a game then try it out...if you don't...then don't simple as that.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 28, 08:37 AM 2012
JL
What you see inside random is really a different and refreshing twist on an old game. You have a vision and passion. I myself have questioned is the 4 gap method any different or better then just
playing 2 dozens on a four step progression. Maybe it is....maybe it isn't.
I don't believe random knows what a four gap or any gap is for that matter.
It is a pattern man (you) have witnessed over years of playing. It is a pattern that is easy to play within a relatively short amount of time for a hit and run.
If you like to play a new twist on a game then try it out...if you don't...then don't simple as that.
That's it Kevin, I don't normally play methods that don't have my full confidence. When I try something that hasn't been thoroughly tested by myself I can and do get burned. As I did with the COLUMNS. But after years of playing the ZONE. I had a wealth of H,.A.R results that showed me something random wasn't doing WITHIN those H.A.R results. To most 80 units risk on a progression to win 1 unit seems madness, let alone 242. But then someone is willing to risk 2000 points on something they bought on the internet.
That to me is madness, and so we go on and on and on. Questioning will this work and how can I wait to win a meagre 1 point? When that bot test showed negative expectation. As I keep saying knowing something can lose and MEETING that loss are two different things. I haven't run into a losing game yet. And I am 390/0. Five isnt even being challenged at the moment. Since its single loss live. I've never been taken beyond step 3. This is where my confidence comes from Real play and results. Not endless theorizing about what IFS. They don't build bankrolls.
Update:
Games played 155
Games Won 155
+155pts
JL..
With the kind of record you have with these 2 games when are you going to start upping the anti to win some serious loot?
100 Euros to start the first progression?? More?? What is your goal?? Nickel and dime them??
TwisterUK
Same question. At what point do you start upping the anti??
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 28, 09:42 AM 2012
Update:
Games played 155
Games Won 155
+155pts
Im starting to get impressed Twister as you are doing this on BVNZ. Well done. All the way to 500???????????????????????????????
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 28, 09:43 AM 2012
JL..
With the kind of record you have with these 2 games when are you going to start upping the anti to win some serious loot?
100 Euros to start the first progression?? More?? What is your goal?? Nickel and dime them??
Kevin my intentions on BV are as follows. When Superman does the end of year summary. There will be at least 50 EURO in his account. I will have fulfilled the challenge even with the handicap I've had to overcome. I will then send Superman 150 EURO. To top up the account to 200 euro. Looking for 1--2% growth on BR per played session. I will aim for 10,000 EURO. By the close of 2013. Remember I play this live too. And once I fully believe in BV. I will open my own account and start from 500 EURO. Its all go in 2013 Kevin.
Longterm I want to win a quarter of a million/ half a million/ ONE MILLION. I won't stop until I'm stopped. Get the pictiure Kevin?/
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 28, 09:51 AM 2012
I'm starting to get impressed Twister as you are doing this on BVNZ. Well done. All the way to 500? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
No even bein tested JL
Most hits are on step 1 or 2 some on 3 and only had one on 4
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 28, 09:45 AM 2012
TwisterUK
Same question. At what point do you start upping the anti??
Kevin its all relative. What is small to some is large to others
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 28, 10:38 AM 2012
No even bein tested JL
Most hits are on step 1 or 2 some on 3 and only had one on 4
Yes thats what I get on BV single zero. Not even had one push me to step 4 yet. But stay away Joe from the columns. They delivered two 7s close together the other day. Columns have always had less consistency than DOZENS.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 28, 06:56 AM 2012
Yes Skakus the purpose is to get off the track. Its like when you handed 32,000 spins to Superman and said right lets see how Jls 8 ON 1 stands up to this. I am actually surprised there werent at least 3 or 4 losses in there. Its a good job Superman didn't test it on Columns, because I got my arse kicked playing 8 ON 1 on COLUMNS Tuesday night. And it wasn't that the progression lost. I got two SEVENS in three hours. My problem was I went in after two triggers. And started too heavy. And because I am not allowed to bet more than 1 EURO 100 points. I ran out of steam before the losing run ended. And as a result found myself 6.5 Euros down for the day.
So 8 ON 1 is not stable on COLUMNS. On the Dozens however I still haven't had more than FIVE 4 GAPS. at BV.and 6 live. And FIVE is off on another wonder run. I know some people will never get or accept how I play. But its worked for me, because I have stayed with it and understood why it works. Theres no old thinking in my head. Only what transpires in front of me as that wheel spins. I am back on the up and up. And in November. I am going to spend an entire week playing nothing but BV. that's when I will make some serious progress.
You always put a positive spin on things. In 32000 spins there were 70 games and for 243/1 odds method its nothing. And that you were taken to seven steps playing columns? Surprised? Just get on Stephan tracker and hit F9 button few times to produce 500 RNG spins. Its easy to use. If you hit it 100 times you might see some 9 or 10 gaps. Saw 8's back to back. ;D Do the math. But i guess only your challenge provides valid results. To me getting 500 spins each time is like simulating HAR. But sometimes you can not get a single game in 500 spins. Has it happened to you on BV? I guess you havent seen nothing yet. Wish you getting a steady increase in your balance but if it happens and you have a good chance you should be aware of the real reasons behind your good run. Like Skakus posted 8 on 1 its just 5 step double dozen bet with 3 extra triggers capable of course of long winning streaks because of a long progression. But a sure winner?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 27, 05:32 AM 2012
No Matt you have mis-understood me. I mean 4 games a SESSION not day. I might play 20--30 games a day but NEVER more than 4 at a time.
Does the number 4 have any special meaning to you?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 28, 12:09 PM 2012
You always put a positive spin on things. In 32000 spins there were 70 games and for 243/1 odds method its nothing. And that you were taken to seven steps playing columns? Surprised? Just get on Stephan tracker and hit F9 button few times to produce 500 RNG spins. Its easy to use. If you hit it 100 times you might see some 9 or 10 gaps. Saw 8's back to back. ;D Do the math. But i guess only your challenge provides valid results. To me getting 500 spins each time is like simulating HAR. But sometimes you can not get a single game in 500 spins. Has it happened to you on BV? I guess you haven't seen nothing yet. Wish you getting a steady increase in your balance but if it happens and you have a good chance you should be aware of the real reasons behind your good run. Like Skakus posted 8 on 1 its just 5 step double dozen bet with 3 extra triggers capable of course of long winning streaks because of a long progression. But a sure winner?
Does the number 4 have any special meaning to you?
Matt, this is what I don't get about this whole thing. There is always games on BV single Zero. Okay I've been going after TWO triggers like Twister because on dozens I'm getting no challenge whatsoever.. But I've never had more than a 150 spins without a treble trigger. How come it takes so long on this tracker? What you have to also understand is, I don't sit there waiting for triggers. I am playing all the time as I have to move the RNG. I'm playing CODE 4, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, PATTERN BREAKER, MATRIX VERTICAL 5, TWO OF A KIND, THE ZONE, FIVE AND 8 ON 1. Anything I know works and eventually I get the triggers. If I make 3 or 4 units profit before I get the triggers I restart. As I need to get ahead for when the openning spins lose profit.
But this idea about waiting a lifetime for triggers no. This is how you have to play it. FIVE AND 8 ON 1 and MATRIX VERTICAL 5 are slow methods with potentially montrous winning streaks. In between them maturing you have faster paced methods like DIVIDE AND CONQUER, TWO OF A KIND, THE ZONE and CODE 4. They keep the wheel rolling and the profit coming in the meantime. I have had sessions where I make 50 points. And only play 3 or 4 games of FIVE AND 8 ON 1 in the process. Because the other methods have rock and rolled. And got me to my target. Once my target is reached I close it down. Its profit overall I seek. Regardless of which method/s got me there. I will never go after more than 2% increase on BR in a session. I will do in November. But that's only to compensate for black Tuesday. And get me back on track to hit 5000 POINTS by 31/12/2012.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 28, 09:58 AM 2012
Kevin my intentions on BV are as follows. When Superman does the end of year summary. There will be at least 50 EURO in his account. I will have fulfilled the challenge even with the handicap I've had to overcome. I will then send Superman 150 EURO. To top up the account to 200 euro. Looking for 1--2% growth on BR per played session. I will aim for 10,000 EURO. By the close of 2013. Remember I play this live too. And once I fully believe in BV. I will open my own account and start from 500 EURO. Its all go in 2013 Kevin.
Longterm I want to win a quarter of a million/ half a million/ ONE MILLION. I won't stop until I'm stopped. Get the pictiure Kevin?/
JL...Yes I get the picture and wish you much success. In history I have only ever heard of one man taking a casino down on the wheel. His name is Billy Walters and built a billion dollar empire sports betting. But long before that he took down a single casino in Atlantic City, NJ by betting on 5 numbers only.
link:://onlineroulette.co.nz/players/billy-walters/ (link:://onlineroulette.co.nz/players/billy-walters/)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 28, 06:56 AM 2012
Yes Skakus the purpose is to get off the track. Its like when you handed 32,000 spins to Superman and said right lets see how Jls 8 ON 1 stands up to this. I am actually surprised there werent at least 3 or 4 losses in there.
Yes, 8 on 1 made it through the two 32000 spins files but there were only 251 bets placed ovwe 170 games through the whole 62,669 logged spins (which is still a decent result).
But that averages out to 1 bet every 250 spins, which is way off your average of 1 bet every 60-80 spins (I noticed this anomally was glazed over by all proponents).
So I’m pretty sure superman’s bot is not playing the game properly (sorry Neal) and if that’s true then the test result is void. Pity.
Ask Twister how often he gets a bet, I’ll wager it’s a lot less than once every 250 spins.
I suspected superman's test was flawed and questioned it in reply 169, then also asked for your verification in post 178 but was completely ignored. Oh well, well and truly swept under the carpet now. ;D
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 23, 04:29 PM 2012
Hey superman did you lock into the same dozen for subsequent bets? Is that why the betting opportunities where down? Not enough bets mate, somethings wrong.
Jl, can you verify?
The entire game is played on the same dozen Skakus. The reason both Twister and myself are getting faster turnover now, is because we are playing from a double trigger against a seven. So it would be useful to see your 64,000 against that. Therell be more losses, but a lot more bets and wins too. Let's do that??
I mean Twister is 155/0 and has met nothing worse than a FIVE. Me the same. And I'm 392/0 Live plus RNG.
And played straight we'd have surely met at least 1 SEVEN. Point is what your RNG shows and what were getting are too different things. I have 2200 plus possible games documented without a single SEVEN Skakus. You can't ignore those kind of stats, you just can't.
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 28, 01:50 PM 2012
JL...Yes I get the picture and wish you much success. In history I have only ever heard of one man taking a casino down on the wheel. His name is Billy Walters and built a billion dollar empire sports betting. But long before that he took down a single casino in Atlantic City, NJ by betting on 5 numbers only.
link:://onlineroulette.co.nz/players/billy-walters/ (link:://onlineroulette.co.nz/players/billy-walters/)
Yes Mr Walters beat biased wheels. My intention is to beat Mr RANDOM. So that every person on this forum and anyone interested in this game that hears of it, will know its absolutely possible longterm. And without having to risk thousands too. That is the mission. And no mission impossible as time will show.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 28, 12:35 PM 2012
Matt, this is what I don't get about this whole thing. There is always games on BV single Zero. Okay I've been going after TWO triggers like Twister because on dozens I'm getting no challenge whatsoever.. But I've never had more than a 150 spins without a treble trigger. How come it takes so long on this tracker? What you have to also understand is, I don't sit there waiting for triggers. I am playing all the time as I have to move the RNG. I'm playing CODE 4, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, PATTERN BREAKER, MATRIX VERTICAL 5, TWO OF A KIND, THE ZONE, FIVE AND 8 ON 1. Anything I know works and eventually I get the triggers. If I make 3 or 4 units profit before I get the triggers I restart. As I need to get ahead for when the openning spins lose profit.
But this idea about waiting a lifetime for triggers no. This is how you have to play it. FIVE AND 8 ON 1 and MATRIX VERTICAL 5 are slow methods with potentially montrous winning streaks. In between them maturing you have faster paced methods like DIVIDE AND CONQUER, TWO OF A KIND, THE ZONE and CODE 4. They keep the wheel rolling and the profit coming in the meantime. I have had sessions where I make 50 points. And only play 3 or 4 games of FIVE AND 8 ON 1 in the process. Because the other methods have rock and rolled. And got me to my target. Once my target is reached I close it down. Its profit overall I seek. Regardless of which method/s got me there. I will never go after more than 2% increase on BR in a session. I will do in November. But that's only to compensate for black Tuesday. And get me back on track to hit 5000 POINTS by 31/12/2012.
There is a big difference in turnover if you wait for 2 or 3 triggers. But i dont have a problem if the method is slow. I just increase a base bet if i have a confidence in a strike rate. You are surprised that sometimes in Stef's tracker there is no bet in 500 spins. You need 3 4 gap triggers with nothing bigger than 4 in the same dozen. Sometimes it can take a while. Waiting just for 2 triggers makes of course a big difference. Personally looking at tracker's output i dont see nothing out of ordinary compared for example to RX but i dont see any point in arguing more here ;D I just dont see why you consider 8 on 1 superior to any other double dozen bet selection but i guess that we differ too much in a basic approach to the game like HAR,statistics,randomness......
Hope that you will hit your goals and i will be happy to start another debate then about if you really have a constant winning method ;D
Quote from: Skakus on Oct 28, 05:42 PM 2012
Yes, 8 on 1 made it through the two 32000 spins files but there were only 251 bets placed ovwe 170 games through the whole 62,669 logged spins (which is still a decent result).
But that averages out to 1 bet every 250 spins, which is way off your average of 1 bet every 60-80 spins (I noticed this anomally was glazed over by all proponents).
So I’m pretty sure superman’s bot is not playing the game properly (sorry Neal) and if that’s true then the test result is void. Pity.
Ask Twister how often he gets a bet, I’ll wager it’s a lot less than once every 250 spins.
I suspected superman's test was flawed and questioned it in reply 169, then also asked for your verification in post 178 but was completely ignored. Oh well, well and truly swept under the carpet now. ;D
Yeah. The results are flawed. There are some games that take less than 20 spins ;D
QuoteSo I’m pretty sure superman’s bot is not playing the game properly (sorry Neal) and if that’s true then the test result is void. Pity
Possible, but I don't know why, as far as I can tell it does what it's supposed to do, I also wonder how they were getting much more bets in shorter spin frames.
BUT Danny, if you would like to crunch some stats, if you get the txt file for the BVNZ 10300 spins and then go to the start of this thread where I posted a gap file and check those gaps against the BVNZ results to see if it did actually bet at the correct time, you will only need to do 1 or 2, maybe 3 bets, I don't have the time or inclination currently, but that would tell you if the bot was wrong I think.
EDIT: the gap post may be on the ***** FIVE ***** thread
Update:
Games played 180
Games Won 180
+180pts
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 29, 03:48 PM 2012
Update:
Games played 180
Games Won 180
+180pts
Nice work Twister I'm 400/0 now. Had one step 4 bet today live. It held.
Hello John!
How many did you win in 1, 2, and 3 steps?
Best regards.
John why you dont use other gaps f.e. 5,6,7,8 GAPs
or in 4 gaps some majic?
Quote from: donik7777 on Oct 30, 10:24 PM 2012
John why you don't use other gaps f.e. 5,6,7,8 GAPs
or in 4 gaps some majic?
Its possible Donik7777 but people complain this is too slow. That would be even slower. Although this is something where a bot would come in useful. Because I don't have the data for confidence. But 7 or 8 times 6 seems unlikely too.
More interesting would be to see how 2 and 3 GAPS hold up. That would greatly speed turnover. But I have no documented data. With THE ZONE I started recording from 4. That's why I saw what never happened in my results easily. Although its only recently I realized it could be a strong method in itself when proofing FIVE.
Update:
Games played 202
Games Won 202
+202pts
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 31, 06:35 AM 2012
Update:
Games played 202
Games Won 202
+202pts
Just out of interest Twist, can u put 202 wins into "spins" and "hours at the table/screen". Ballpark guestimate is fine.
Cheers mate
Turner
No idea mate
I did start keepin spin info at the start but stopped and my days play is broken into so many pieces ive no idea how much time has passed lol
Suffice to say it can take 20 spins for a bet and sometimes 80 or 90 but that is not so slow as am on BVNZ turbo spins
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 31, 06:35 AM 2012
Update:
Games played 202
Games Won 202
+202pts
Nice work Twister you are slowly catching up with me I'm now 410/0 Haven't been past step.3 for a while now. What you are doing is really impressing me. After someone reported seeing an 11 on BVNZ. I thought you wouldn't even make 150 wins. Keep going maybe a few others will realize a method to beat random, doesn't have to look like a degree in math.
Twister--
Are you playing this within ***Five**** or strictly 8 on 1??
Good work by the way
Quote from: kevint3 on Oct 31, 07:07 PM 2012
Twister--
Are you playing this within ***Five**** or strictly 8 on 1??
Good work by the way
Just 8 on 1 :thumbsup:
Update:
Games played 232
Games Won 232
+232pts
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 01, 11:28 AM 2012
Update:
Games played 232
Games Won 232
+232pts
Great work Twister. I never thought you could do this on BVNZ. What progression are you using, a 4 step against seeing six 4 GAPS. Or a 5 step against seeing 7 4 GAPS. If you make 500 I will play BVNZ next year. I like the idea of free spins. Again great stuff, you've really taken to this one Twister.
As I don't like doing things wrong I am revisiting the 8 on 1 bot, I think I was waiting too long but it's because of how the rules are posted, looking at this from the very first post
-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
2, Once we have our BET TRIGGER. Using a 5 step progression we bet against this run of 4 GAPS continuing up to a maximum of 8.
Means we have our 2 4 gaps then when that dozen has missed 4 times again we bet that it will miss the 5th time, am I correct ?
But then in post number 4 after I asked a question JL replied
-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----04???--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP or more.
So the first example showed us betting on the 3rd 4 then second example showed us betting on the 4th 4, I coded it for the 4th 4
Is it just me be daft or what?
Currently rerunning the bot on all spin files ............... again
OK, using this method
-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
2, Once we have our BET TRIGGER. Using a 5 step progression we bet against this run of 4 GAPS continuing up to a maximum of 8.
Here are the results
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 01, 12:03 PM 2012
Great work Twister. I never thought you could do this on BVNZ. What progression are you using, a 4 step against seeing six 4 GAPS. Or a 5 step against seeing 7 4 GAPS. If you make 500 I will play BVNZ next year. I like the idea of free spins. Again great stuff, you've really taken to this one Twister.
5 step after a 2 Trigger
Not even bein tested. Most wins come by the 2nd step :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 01, 01:37 PM 2012
5 step after a 2 Trigger
Not even bein tested. Most wins come by the 2nd step :thumbsup:
That's what I find Twister. Even to string more than 3 of these 4 GAPS together is asking a lot of random. So in 230 plus wins Twister. You haven't once been taken to the wire (5TH STEP) And how many times have you been taken to the fourth step? I've been taken to the 4th step only 4 times in 420 plays. I have never seen more than FIVE 4 GAPS on BV single zero for dozens. If only I could move the wheel for free. I've been trying out a few ideas to move the wheel and theyre not working. So I have to plod along. And try to recover the cost of spinning the wheel. When I reach my bets. Its greatly slowed my progress. But my end of year target will be reached regardless.
Quote from: superman on Nov 01, 12:35 PM 2012
OK, using this method
-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
2, Once we have our BET TRIGGER. Using a 5 step progression we bet against this run of 4 GAPS continuing up to a maximum of 8.
Here are the results
Superman, I was using a tripple trigger when I first started playing the method. But as its proved to be very hard for random to show us even SEVEN 4 GAPS. When played H.A.R I have now joined Twister in going after a double trigger. Its greatly speeded up turnover. And hasn't lost for either Twister or myself yet on BV.
Superman, it was like this.
-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----03--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP.
Example:
28 D3
16
1 4 Gap 1
22
28 D3
19
8 3 Count only
30 D3
2
14 4 Gap 2
2
26 D3
21
4 4 Gap 3
18
34 D3
3
7
17 Bet once here that this 3 count will go beyond a 4 Gap. So, bet against D3.
Win = track for new triple set of 4 Gaps for any Dozen and bet from first step of progression.
Lose = track for next 3 count for D3 only and bet from next step of progression, etc.
Now it’s like this.
Example:
28 D3
16
1 4 Gap 1
22
28 D3
19
8 3 Count only
30 D3
2
14 4 Gap 2
2
26 D3
21
4 3 Count
18 Bet once here that this 3 count will go beyond a 4 Gap. So, bet against D3.
Win = track for new double set of 4 Gaps for any Dozen and bet from first step of progression.
Lose = track for next 3 count for D3 only and bet from next step of progression, etc.
Also, I believe the zero voids a Gap, but obviously counts as a losing bet signaling a new trigger search & progression step.
Also, while accumulating particular dozen gaps for a bet trigger, any 5 or greater gap for that dozen voids the whole set of gaps for that bet trigger. Start again.
@ JL, why would you post your ‘strongest ever system’ then willy-nilly change a significant rule after someone else plays just a handful of games differently and claims some fun money success?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 01, 02:55 PM 2012
That's what I find Twister. Even to string more than 3 of these 4 GAPS together is asking a lot of random. So in 230 plus wins Twister. You haven't once been taken to the wire (5TH STEP) And how many times have you been taken to the fourth step? I've been taken to the 4th step only 4 times in 420 plays. I have never seen more than FIVE 4 GAPS on BV single zero for dozens. If only I could move the wheel for free. I've been trying out a few ideas to move the wheel and theyre not working. So I have to plod along. And try to recover the cost of spinning the wheel. When I reach my bets. Its greatly slowed my progress. But my end of year target will be reached regardless.
Never been taken to the 5th step. Ive been taken to the 4th step once.
Yeah I cudnt get on with that zero wheel and havin to pay to move the RNG.....BVNZ is where its at :xd:
Twister on BVNZ non zero wheel do you not have to place a bet to move the wheel? Cheers K
Quote from: KoolKat on Nov 01, 04:40 PM 2012
Twister on BVNZ non zero wheel do you not have to place a bet to move the wheel? Cheers K
Yes. But its a break even bet. 2 units on 1st and 2nd dozen 1 unit on the 5th and 6th DS
Quote from: Skakus on Nov 01, 04:27 PM 2012
Superman, it was like this.
-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----04-----TRIGGER
-----03--You bet this becomes a 5 GAP.
Example:
28 D3
16
1 4 Gap 1
22
28 D3
19
8 3 Count only
30 D3
2
14 4 Gap 2
2
26 D3
21
4 4 Gap 3
18
34 D3
3
7
17 Bet once here that this 3 count will go beyond a 4 Gap. So, bet against D3.
Win = track for new triple set of 4 Gaps for any Dozen and bet from first step of progression.
Lose = track for next 3 count for D3 only and bet from next step of progression, etc.
Now it’s like this.
Example:
28 D3
16
1 4 Gap 1
22
28 D3
19
8 3 Count only
30 D3
2
14 4 Gap 2
2
26 D3
21
4 3 Count
18 Bet once here that this 3 count will go beyond a 4 Gap. So, bet against D3.
Win = track for new double set of 4 Gaps for any Dozen and bet from first step of progression.
Lose = track for next 3 count for D3 only and bet from next step of progression, etc.
Also, I believe the zero voids a Gap, but obviously counts as a losing bet signaling a new trigger search & progression step.
Also, while accumulating particular dozen gaps for a bet trigger, any 5 or greater gap for that dozen voids the whole set of gaps for that bet trigger. Start again.
@ JL, why would you post your ‘strongest ever system’ then willy-nilly change a significant rule after someone else plays just a handful of games differently and claims some fun money success?
Turnover Skakus. Random is struggling so hard to even make five 4 gaps. Its worth sacrificing one trigger for faster play. Neither Twister or myself have found more than FIVE 4 GAPS. playing in short bursts. Plus I have over 2,500 results where the best random could do was SIX 4 GAPS. Six times in 2,500 possible games. When I started with 3 triggers I was being over cautious, And as we know you get hardly any play with three. But with two its a lot more playable.
Strongest method? I dont know YET. Five is still beating this with only a 4 step progression. And 1,350/1. 8 ON 1 appears stronger at the moment because it hasnt lost in play. I am 420/0. But its got to win another 674 times just to match FIVE. And again FIVE only has 80 points on the line. This has 242. So FIVE is still the one for the time being. If I win 2000 straight with this. I would have to say its the King. Time will tell the story.
Ok, cool.
But is my explanation of the system accurate enough for superman to bot?
Point out any errors, please.
Quote from: Skakus on Nov 01, 05:37 PM 2012
Ok, cool.
But is my explanation of the system accurate enough for superman to bot?
Point out any errors, please.
Yes its fine Skakus. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
BVNZ Test Spins from superman held up well
I would just add those spins may look high but once you get the hang of Tracking you just have BVNZ on Auto Spin
Simples :thumbsup:
173 - W Prog 1 Cash 1 Peak 0 BetAgainst (dc)
213 - W Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 1 BetAgainst (dc)
246 - L Prog 1 Cash 0 Peak 2 BetAgainst (da)
259 - W Prog 3 Cash 3 Peak 2 BetAgainst (da)
285 - W Prog 1 Cash 4 Peak 3 BetAgainst (da)
357 - L Prog 1 Cash 2 Peak 4 BetAgainst (da)
366 - W Prog 3 Cash 5 Peak 4 BetAgainst (da)
415 - W Prog 1 Cash 6 Peak 5 BetAgainst (db)
559 - W Prog 1 Cash 7 Peak 6 BetAgainst (db)
619 - W Prog 1 Cash 8 Peak 7 BetAgainst (da)
728 - W Prog 1 Cash 9 Peak 8 BetAgainst (dc)
845 - W Prog 1 Cash 10 Peak 9 BetAgainst (da)
891 - W Prog 1 Cash 11 Peak 10 BetAgainst (da)
1016 - W Prog 1 Cash 12 Peak 11 BetAgainst (dc)
1118 - L Prog 1 Cash 10 Peak 12 BetAgainst (db)
1127 - W Prog 3 Cash 13 Peak 12 BetAgainst (db)
1273 - L Prog 1 Cash 11 Peak 13 BetAgainst (dc)
1320 - W Prog 3 Cash 14 Peak 13 BetAgainst (dc)
1613 - W Prog 1 Cash 15 Peak 14 BetAgainst (dc)
1693 - L Prog 1 Cash 13 Peak 15 BetAgainst (db)
1704 - W Prog 3 Cash 16 Peak 15 BetAgainst (db)
1781 - W Prog 1 Cash 17 Peak 16 BetAgainst (dc)
1903 - W Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 17 BetAgainst (db)
1929 - W Prog 1 Cash 19 Peak 18 BetAgainst (da)
2111 - W Prog 1 Cash 20 Peak 19 BetAgainst (da)
2148 - L Prog 1 Cash 18 Peak 20 BetAgainst (db)
2153 - L Prog 3 Cash 12 Peak 20 BetAgainst (db)
2186 - W Prog 9 Cash 21 Peak 20 BetAgainst (db)
2316 - W Prog 1 Cash 22 Peak 21 BetAgainst (db)
2343 - W Prog 1 Cash 23 Peak 22 BetAgainst (dc)
2443 - W Prog 1 Cash 24 Peak 23 BetAgainst (db)
2471 - W Prog 1 Cash 25 Peak 24 BetAgainst (db)
2687 - W Prog 1 Cash 26 Peak 25 BetAgainst (dc)
2757 - W Prog 1 Cash 27 Peak 26 BetAgainst (da)
2789 - W Prog 1 Cash 28 Peak 27 BetAgainst (db)
2832 - W Prog 1 Cash 29 Peak 28 BetAgainst (db)
2873 - W Prog 1 Cash 30 Peak 29 BetAgainst (da)
2936 - L Prog 1 Cash 28 Peak 30 BetAgainst (da)
2947 - W Prog 3 Cash 31 Peak 30 BetAgainst (da)
2964 - W Prog 1 Cash 32 Peak 31 BetAgainst (db)
3230 - W Prog 1 Cash 33 Peak 32 BetAgainst (db)
3307 - W Prog 1 Cash 34 Peak 33 BetAgainst (dc)
3597 - W Prog 1 Cash 35 Peak 34 BetAgainst (db)
3826 - W Prog 1 Cash 36 Peak 35 BetAgainst (da)
3889 - W Prog 1 Cash 37 Peak 36 BetAgainst (db)
4152 - W Prog 1 Cash 38 Peak 37 BetAgainst (da)
4237 - W Prog 1 Cash 39 Peak 38 BetAgainst (da)
4351 - L Prog 1 Cash 37 Peak 39 BetAgainst (dc)
4372 - W Prog 3 Cash 40 Peak 39 BetAgainst (dc)
4578 - L Prog 1 Cash 38 Peak 40 BetAgainst (db)
4596 - L Prog 3 Cash 32 Peak 40 BetAgainst (db)
4639 - W Prog 9 Cash 41 Peak 40 BetAgainst (db)
4764 - W Prog 1 Cash 42 Peak 41 BetAgainst (db)
4888 - W Prog 1 Cash 43 Peak 42 BetAgainst (dc)
4943 - L Prog 1 Cash 41 Peak 43 BetAgainst (da)
4948 - W Prog 3 Cash 44 Peak 43 BetAgainst (da)
5026 - W Prog 1 Cash 45 Peak 44 BetAgainst (db)
5120 - W Prog 1 Cash 46 Peak 45 BetAgainst (da)
5268 - L Prog 1 Cash 44 Peak 46 BetAgainst (db)
5289 - W Prog 3 Cash 47 Peak 46 BetAgainst (db)
5328 - W Prog 1 Cash 48 Peak 47 BetAgainst (db)
5363 - W Prog 1 Cash 49 Peak 48 BetAgainst (da)
5419 - L Prog 1 Cash 47 Peak 49 BetAgainst (dc)
5439 - W Prog 3 Cash 50 Peak 49 BetAgainst (dc)
5545 - W Prog 1 Cash 51 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
5666 - W Prog 1 Cash 52 Peak 51 BetAgainst (dc)
5738 - L Prog 1 Cash 50 Peak 52 BetAgainst (da)
5780 - W Prog 3 Cash 53 Peak 52 BetAgainst (da)
6179 - W Prog 1 Cash 54 Peak 53 BetAgainst (da)
6244 - W Prog 1 Cash 55 Peak 54 BetAgainst (dc)
6267 - W Prog 1 Cash 56 Peak 55 BetAgainst (db)
6371 - L Prog 1 Cash 54 Peak 56 BetAgainst (da)
6383 - L Prog 3 Cash 48 Peak 56 BetAgainst (da)
6390 - W Prog 9 Cash 57 Peak 56 BetAgainst (da)
6463 - W Prog 1 Cash 58 Peak 57 BetAgainst (dc)
6547 - W Prog 1 Cash 59 Peak 58 BetAgainst (da)
6831 - W Prog 1 Cash 60 Peak 59 BetAgainst (da)
7124 - W Prog 1 Cash 61 Peak 60 BetAgainst (da)
7152 - W Prog 1 Cash 62 Peak 61 BetAgainst (dc)
7229 - W Prog 1 Cash 63 Peak 62 BetAgainst (db)
7275 - W Prog 1 Cash 64 Peak 63 BetAgainst (da)
7311 - W Prog 1 Cash 65 Peak 64 BetAgainst (db)
7332 - W Prog 1 Cash 66 Peak 65 BetAgainst (db)
7408 - L Prog 1 Cash 64 Peak 66 BetAgainst (dc)
7417 - W Prog 3 Cash 67 Peak 66 BetAgainst (dc)
7510 - L Prog 1 Cash 65 Peak 67 BetAgainst (dc)
7523 - W Prog 3 Cash 68 Peak 67 BetAgainst (dc)
7570 - W Prog 1 Cash 69 Peak 68 BetAgainst (db)
7620 - W Prog 1 Cash 70 Peak 69 BetAgainst (db)
7791 - W Prog 1 Cash 71 Peak 70 BetAgainst (db)
7814 - W Prog 1 Cash 72 Peak 71 BetAgainst (dc)
7827 - W Prog 1 Cash 73 Peak 72 BetAgainst (da)
7879 - W Prog 1 Cash 74 Peak 73 BetAgainst (db)
7932 - L Prog 1 Cash 72 Peak 74 BetAgainst (dc)
7966 - L Prog 3 Cash 66 Peak 74 BetAgainst (dc)
7974 - L Prog 9 Cash 48 Peak 74 BetAgainst (dc)
7983 - W Prog 27 Cash 75 Peak 74 BetAgainst (dc)<--- prog @ 27 units
8044 - L Prog 1 Cash 73 Peak 75 BetAgainst (db)
8049 - L Prog 3 Cash 67 Peak 75 BetAgainst (db)
8067 - W Prog 9 Cash 76 Peak 75 BetAgainst (db)
8091 - W Prog 1 Cash 77 Peak 76 BetAgainst (da)
8144 - W Prog 1 Cash 78 Peak 77 BetAgainst (da)
8216 - W Prog 1 Cash 79 Peak 78 BetAgainst (dc)
8475 - W Prog 1 Cash 80 Peak 79 BetAgainst (db)
8541 - W Prog 1 Cash 81 Peak 80 BetAgainst (dc)
8582 - W Prog 1 Cash 82 Peak 81 BetAgainst (db)
9108 - W Prog 1 Cash 83 Peak 82 BetAgainst (dc)
9197 - W Prog 1 Cash 84 Peak 83 BetAgainst (db)
9293 - W Prog 1 Cash 85 Peak 84 BetAgainst (dc)
9363 - W Prog 1 Cash 86 Peak 85 BetAgainst (da)
9460 - W Prog 1 Cash 87 Peak 86 BetAgainst (db)
9506 - L Prog 1 Cash 85 Peak 87 BetAgainst (da)
9526 - W Prog 3 Cash 88 Peak 87 BetAgainst (da)
9685 - L Prog 1 Cash 86 Peak 88 BetAgainst (da)
9694 - W Prog 3 Cash 89 Peak 88 BetAgainst (da)
9820 - L Prog 1 Cash 87 Peak 89 BetAgainst (db)
9851 - W Prog 3 Cash 90 Peak 89 BetAgainst (db)
9962 - W Prog 1 Cash 91 Peak 90 BetAgainst (dc)
10209 - W Prog 1 Cash 92 Peak 91 BetAgainst (db)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 01, 05:09 PM 2012
Turnover Skakus. Random is struggling so hard to even make five 4 gaps. Its worth sacrificing one trigger for faster play. Neither Twister or myself have found more than FIVE 4 GAPS. playing in short bursts. Plus I have over 2,500 results where the best random could do was SIX 4 GAPS. Six times in 2,500 possible games. When I started with 3 triggers I was being over cautious, And as we know you get hardly any play with three. But with two its a lot more playable.
Strongest method? I don't know YET. Five is still beating this with only a 4 step progression. And 1,350/1. 8 ON 1 appears stronger at the moment because it hasn't lost in play. I am 420/0. But its got to win another 674 times just to match FIVE. And again FIVE only has 80 points on the line. This has 242. So FIVE is still the one for the time being. If I win 2000 straight with this. I would have to say its the King. Time will tell the story.
John
So you don't count 2 losses that happened when you played on columns? I guess that if you kept winning on columns you would accept the results. To me it looks like 420/2 puts you 60u back.
Twister now has a good run on BVNZ although somebody saw 11 or 12 gaps on BVNZ and suddenly in your opinion BVNZ was no good to play on. Now if Twister has a good run then you plan to play there as well. I'm bit confused here. ;D
Edit
In Skakus test files in about 560 games played i saw 3 losses and in BVNZ about 90 games zero loses. 2 times 9 gaps.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 02, 03:26 AM 2012
John
So you don't count 2 losses that happened when you played on columns? I guess that if you kept winning on columns you would accept the results. To me it looks like 420/2 puts you 60u back.
Twister now has a good run on BVNZ although somebody saw 11 or 12 gaps on BVNZ and suddenly in your opinion BVNZ was no good to play on. Now if Twister has a good run then you plan to play there as well. I'm bit confused here. ;D
Edit
In Skakus test files in about 560 games played i saw 3 losses and in BVNZ about 90 games zero loses. 2 times 9 gaps.
Matt, yes I had two 7s on columns. But that was an experiment. The method is to be played as it was proofed ON DOZENS ONLY people. And on dozens I now stand at 425/0
Here's the thing Matt. Twister despite all the negative points made about this method. Has hit the ground running with it. And is showing you all. That knowing something can lose and meeting that loss in sporadic play are different things. Now today out of the blue, PILOT returns to tell you all what patience and postive mental attitude can achieve. 71500 made just playing PB. We can talk till the end Matt. Actions speak louder than words. People like Chauncy47, Kevint3, Twister and now Pilot are putting the work in. And they will reap the rewards.
Update:
Games played 288
Games Won 288
+288pts
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 02, 02:13 PM 2012
Update:
Games played 288
Games Won 288
+288pts
Nice work Twister. At your pace you will overtake me in the next week. You are already only 137 behind me. Who can get to 500 wins first? Keep going Bud.
lol BVNZ is super fast mate :twisted:
Where you playin, I forget ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 02, 05:09 PM 2012
LoL BVNZ is super fast mate :twisted:
Where you playing, I forget ?
Paddy Power, Betfred and BV single zero. I've struggled to come to terms with BV single zero and sacrificing profit to move the wheel. But I now have the TOTAL measure of that format. And the only way is up from here. Yes BVNZ is the place to get there fast. Still a little doubtful about it. If you smash the 500 barrier. I will have a go next year when I open my own account. Once I have fufilled the limitations of the 5000 point challenge. Superman will start to like me. He should know I'm serious because I also play the fun mode at BV. And doing it my way. I get my results. Hardly played it and made over 300 euro on it. So its all coming next year.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 02, 10:02 AM 2012
Matt, yes I had two 7s on columns. But that was an experiment. The method is to be played as it was proofed ON DOZENS ONLY people. And on dozens I now stand at 425/0
Here's the thing Matt. Twister despite all the negative points made about this method. Has hit the ground running with it. And is showing you all. That knowing something can lose and meeting that loss in sporadic play are different things. Now today out of the blue, PILOT returns to tell you all what patience and postive mental attitude can achieve. 71500 made just playing PB. We can talk till the end Matt. Actions speak louder than words. People like Chauncy47, Kevint3, Twister and now Pilot are putting the work in. And they will reap the rewards.
So what about Skakus spins? 3 loses in 560 games? Can you comment on that? When i looked at BVNZ and Skakus spins they both produced about 100+ games on average and there were 2 9 gaps that happened within 30 games?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 03, 03:19 AM 2012
So what about Skakus spins? 3 loses in 560 games? Can you comment on that? When i looked at BVNZ and Skakus spins they both produced about 100+ games on average and there were 2 9 gaps that happened within 30 games?
Matt you keep dwelling too much on that. Ask yourself this. How come Twister and me aren't even seeing SIX 4 GAPS in H.A.R style play? I keep telling you this simple fact. In order to lose playing as I do. I have to land DEAD ON TOP of that losing game. And that is VERY,VERY,VERY,VERY,VERY,VERY unlikely. In Any set of results you can find a loss Matt. But that is a STATIC set of results where you are TRAVELLING TOWARDS THAT LOSS. I'm never travelling towards anything. This is what you have to take onboard.
Twister plays more games than I do and he is pushing 300 wins straight. You have to try to realize why we are doing this and why you probably would NEVER EVER be able to find a string of three or four hundred wins in a row in ANY SAMPLE you could bring to the table Matt. I will say this again, knowing something CAN LOSE, and meeting THAT LOSS in H.A.R play are two very different things. Do you not think I would like to sit there all day and win 1000s in one day?. Of course I would Matt. But you can't do it like that. And the more and more people that realize. H.A.R is an absolute way to beat this game. The more people that will be longterm winners.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 03, 05:37 AM 2012
Matt you keep dwelling too much on that. Ask yourself this. How come Twister and me aren't even seeing SIX 4 GAPS in H.A.R style play? I keep telling you this simple fact. In order to lose playing as I do. I have to land DEAD ON TOP of that losing game. And that is VERY,VERY,VERY,VERY,VERY,VERY unlikely. In Any set of results you can find a loss Matt. But that is a STATIC set of results where you are TRAVELLING TOWARDS THAT LOSS. I'm never travelling towards anything. This is what you have to take onboard.
Twister plays more games than I do and he is pushing 300 wins straight. You have to try to realize why we are doing this and why you probably would NEVER EVER be able to find a string of three or four hundred wins in a row in ANY SAMPLE you could bring to the table Matt. I will say this again, knowing something CAN LOSE, and meeting THAT LOSS in H.A.R play are two very different things. Do you not think I would like to sit there all day and win 1000s in one day?. Of course I would Matt. But you can't do it like that. And the more and more people that realize. H.A.R is an absolute way to beat this game. The more people that will be longterm winners.
Still you did not answer directly my question about Superman test of Skakus sets of spins. You are very selective in your answers John and choose to ignore some questions. Your run of 400+ and Twister's 300 wins is quite normal for a method that risks 240 units. As normal as around 650/3 breakdown i see in BVNZ and Skakus spins. You never saw 6 4 gaps in your play but 2 9's happened there. You just make wrong conclusions from your stats like predicting strike rate.
And its always HAR factor to fall back on. Twister played 300 games in few days. Is it still HAR?
Is the pressing of auto spin button on RX to produce each time 100 random spins not HAR? You can wait few minutes ;D You never liked any RNG and now you play on it so you could spend some time checking your method against other RNG spins. And John learn some statistics. I know that you dont see any point in doing that but it will teach you other take on your HAR philosophy.
And dont take it personally John that some have problem with other people reporting success playing your methods. By the same token we heard also few opposite stories.
We just keep going in circles here due to your HAR fallacy that basically makes it impossible for you to accept other results than yours as valid.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 03, 07:01 AM 2012
Still you did not answer directly my question about Superman test of Skakus sets of spins. You are very selective in your answers John and choose to ignore some questions. Your run of 400+ and Twister's 300 wins is quite normal for a method that risks 240 units. As normal as around 650/3 breakdown i see in BVNZ and Skakus spins. You never saw 6 4 gaps in your play but 2 9's happened there. You just make wrong conclusions from your stats like predicting strike rate.
And its always HAR factor to fall back on. Twister played 300 games in few days. Is it still HAR?
Is the pressing of auto spin button on RX to produce each time 100 random spins not HAR? You can wait few minutes ;D You never liked any RNG and now you play on it so you could spend some time checking your method against other RNG spins. And John learn some statistics. I know that you don't see any point in doing that but it will teach you other take on your HAR philosophy.
And don't take it personally John that some have problem with other people reporting success playing your methods. By the same token we heard also few opposite stories.
We just keep going in circles here due to your HAR fallacy that basically makes it impossible for you to accept other results than yours as valid.
Yes. Because I log out and back in. A new Checksum is then generated and new numbers begin.
Why ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 09:42 AM 2012
Yes. Because I log out and back in. A new Checksum is then generated and new numbers begin.
Why ?
Because to me hitting auto spin on RX or other RNG generator to generate next set of spins is as good HAR approach as your logging in and out on BV and playing few games. But John for some reasons and apparently you think otherwise.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 03, 09:57 AM 2012
Because to me hitting auto spin on RX or other RNG generator to generate next set of spins is as good HAR approach as your logging in and out on BV and playing few games. But John for some reasons and apparently you think otherwise.
BV generates a new Checksum. The numbers are predetermind.
If I was in Vegas I would just walk Wheel to Wheel
Matt
I appreciate you point of view and questions should be raised about any system. I am spending much of my off time thinking and studying this idea of hit and run. I'm not saying it works or doesn't, but there is a logic behind it.
My wife and I once ran into a fellow we knew three different consecutive days in three different restaurants. For that to happen, we had to arrive at the first restaurant at the right time and day. One day off and we would have missed him.
Yes, we're retired, use lots of coupons and eat out a lot!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 03, 10:21 AM 2012
Matt
I appreciate you point of view and questions should be raised about any system. I am spending much of my off time thinking and studying this idea of hit and run. I'm not saying it works or doesn't, but there is a logic behind it.
My wife and I once ran into a fellow we knew three different consecutive days in three different restaurants. For that to happen, we had to arrive at the first restaurant at the right time and day. One day off and we would have missed him.
Yes, we're retired, use lots of coupons and eat out a lot!!
Sam
My Cousins are always gettin those Coupons lol
They either eat at a Denny's or at the Buffet in the Casino :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 03, 10:18 AM 2012
BV generates a new Checksum. The numbers are predetermind.
If I was in Vegas I would just walk Wheel to Wheel
So generating x amount of spins on any RNG generator once at a time its not a valid HAR approach?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 03, 10:21 AM 2012
Matt
I appreciate you point of view and questions should be raised about any system. I am spending much of my off time thinking and studying this idea of hit and run. I'm not saying it works or doesn't, but there is a logic behind it.
My wife and I once ran into a fellow we knew three different consecutive days in three different restaurants. For that to happen, we had to arrive at the first restaurant at the right time and day. One day off and we would have missed him.
Yes, we're retired, use lots of coupons and eat out a lot!!
Sam
Im as tireless in fighting this HAR fallacy as you in testing the systems here Sam ;D But this is so damn hard. Finding H.G seems to be a piece of cake compared to this.
Matt
I know a man who takes six numbers in a hat, so to speak. He draws them out and does not replace them. Say he has 5 1 2 4 3 6..no repeaters. He plays those six numbers against the columns and dozens. To lose, the wheel would have to produce that run. He says he wins daily.
Any of us could tell you the odds of those six coming up, but who could say exactly when in the day the wheel will hit that first number, 5? Then again, the odds of 5 coming up on the next spin are always the same.
So I agree with you and still it puzzles me!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 03, 10:52 AM 2012
Matt
I know a man who takes six numbers in a hat, so to speak. He draws them out and does not replace them. Say he has 5 1 2 4 3 6..no repeaters. He plays those six numbers against the columns and dozens. To lose, the wheel would have to produce that run. He says he wins daily.
Any of us could tell you the odds of those six coming up, but who could say exactly when in the day the wheel will hit that first number, 5? Then again, the odds of 5 coming up on the next spin are always the same.
So I agree with you and still it puzzles me!!
Sam
Odds are just odds and tomorrow you might log in to your casino and see at your marque 20 Reds in a row right of the bat. Other more fortunate fellow may just laugh at your misfortune and continue winning with Marty playing 100 games daily until he dies. You know of course the implications for the casinos if HAR really worked. No real need for H.G to bust them anymore ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 03, 10:27 AM 2012
So generating x amount of spins on any RNG generator once at a time its not a valid HAR approach?
Ive never said that.
HAR is weird. Im like Sam I know that odds are static but then they are also in flux. Im not able to explain it as I dont have the words to do it justice
I think its probally best you just assume we are Lying about our results. That way you will have closure.
If/When 8 on 1 does Bust on me I will post it.
hello
since a long time almost all dicussion here are about john legend
he say he have the holy grail
he have 4 or 5 follower whi seem to win
and all other people in this forum saying his system don't work
as we all need and want to beat the game
all this is strange very strange
when you ask him (JL)his method don't work
he invent new rules he don't answer
or he say its fault of Hit and run
even if i am a real french playing roulette for a long long time i don't believe
in those system ,a system who is a winner and with strict rules
must be winner for everybody
itis not like signum system
who require different interpretation
i don't understand JL politic
of bombarding this forum and with new method
everey 15 days
iff i have a winning system
i will be on casino taking there money
i have seen so mutch scammer
crazy people in this business
that i am really confuse with JL statement
why two scat sam is not winning with Jl method
he is the guy who have test almost alll system here !!
why GLC is not winning?
why? mrore is not winning
why robert hunt is not winning??
those people are like me they have nothing against JL of course
they simply want to win and they can t with JL method
these approch of roulette with pattern is one approch like many others
and not wiiner in the long run
we can discuss on JL approach but we cannot say its winner system
if it was winner i will be this afternoon in Monte carlo witch is near from my
home town Nice and take money from casino !!!!
and i willl be happy to take thm 75 000 euros a year
Also i have try to pm to the Pilot in french
he never answer me !! per haps he don't understand my mesage in English LoL
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 03, 11:30 AM 2012
hello
since a long time almost all dicussion here are about john legend
he say he have the holy grail
he have 4 or 5 follower whi seem to win
and all other people in this forum saying his system don't work
as we all need and want to beat the game
all this is strange very strange
when you ask him (JL)his method don't work
he invent new rules he don't answer
or he say its fault of Hit and run
even if i am a real french playing roulette for a long long time i don't believe
in those system ,a system who is a winner and with strict rules
must be winner for everybody
itis not like signum system
who require different interpretation
i don't understand JL politic
of bombarding this forum and with new method
everey 15 days
iff i have a winning system
i will be on casino taking there money
i have seen so mutch scammer
crazy people in this business
that i am really confuse with JL statement
why two scat sam is not winning with Jl method
he is the guy who have test almost alll system here !!
why GLC is not winning?
why? mrore is not winning
why robert hunt is not winning??
those people are like me they have nothing against JL of course
they simply want to win and they can t with JL method
these approch of roulette with pattern is one approch like many others
and not wiiner in the long run
we can discuss on JL approach but we cannot say its winner system
if it was winner i will be this afternoon in Monte carlo witch is near from my
home town Nice and take money from casino !!!!
and i willl be happy to take thm 75 000 euros a year
Also i have try to pm to the Pilot in french
he never answer me !! per haps he don't understand my mesage in English LoL
Refreshing Roulette fan....a very interesting read. I love the bit in red...made me laugh out loud!
Quote from: roulettefan on Nov 03, 11:30 AM 2012
hello
since a long time almost all dicussion here are about john legend
he say he have the holy grail
he have 4 or 5 follower whi seem to win
and all other people in this forum saying his system don't work Who says it doesn't work?? I mean..I never seen anyone who actually played it say it doesn't work. I have only seen people place it against virtual spins and declare it a failure.
as we all need and want to beat the game
all this is strange very strange You do realize it is for all intents and purposes an unbeatable game?
when you ask him (JL)his method don't work
he invent new rules he don't answer
or he say its fault of Hit and run Not sure. He did openly admit he wasn't clear on the rules of certain games but that is what discussion is all about..If he posts a system and you are in a hurry to play it without knowing all the rules then you lack patience. Something needed to play the game.
even if i am a real french playing roulette for a long long time i don't believe
in those system ,a system who is a winner and with strict rules
must be winner for everybodyIf you don't believe in systems then why read them?
itis not like signum system
who require different interpretation
i don't understand JL politicPolitics?? I think he is using the forum for what it is designed for. I could be wrong.
of bombarding this forum and with new method
everey 15 days But remember...you said you don't believe in systems...so why is it you care again?
iff i have a winning system
i will be on casino taking there money
i have seen so mutch scammer
crazy people in this business
that i am really confuse with JL statementThis statement in itself is confusing. What infact is JL scamming you out of? Did he charge you money for a system that failed?
why two scat sam is not winning with Jl method
he is the guy who have test almost alll system here !!Try PM'ing him he will answer that.
why GLC is not winning?
why? mrore is not winning
why robert hunt is not winning??
those people are like me they have nothing against JL of course
they simply want to win and they can t with JL methodTerrific. Then don't
these approch of roulette with pattern is one approch like many others
and not wiiner in the long runYou either play with a pattern or play blindly.
we can discuss on JL approach but we cannot say its winner system
if it was winner i will be this afternoon in Monte carlo witch is near from my
home town Nice and take money from casino !!!!It supposedly works for him. He presented it to us. What you do with it is your business.
and i willl be happy to take thm 75 000 euros a yearGood luck with that
Also i have try to pm to the Pilot in french Probably because he is full of sh*t. Show proof of winnings or don't run your mouth.
he never answer me !! per haps he don't understand my mesage in English LoL
@kevin
im happy you have read my post
im here to exange idea on this forum
i wish you all my best with pattern breaker etc
if you are playing them
have a nice day kevin
still no answer from my french compatriote !!!
I am willing to try anything.
If it works great..if not..I move on.
I am a firm believer in a strong bankroll can make most
systems look "ok".
I can honestly say Ive never lied about any results ive ever posted about any System
When it wins I Sing and when it Busts I say so
From my experience its MUCH MUCH better to play with a System you enjoy/trust etc then just bet blind (Shotgun or the like)
8 on 1 has not even come close to bustin on me, but I accept it can and will one day. However if I play it all Year and end up in Profit then I would of beaten 99% of ppl who end the Year on a loss
Ive a feelin this Christmas will be a happy one :thumbsup:
"why two scat sam is not winning with Jl method"
Gave me an idea for a screen name: ScatManSam
Anyway, why I have not tested it. I have spent years studying roulette and all it's many facets. Waiting for W then X then Y and then betting for Z simply does not work in my studies. Also, I used the Super Roulette robot for months trying these "wait and bet" systems and they always fail. The closest thing to working was random picking the bets. R v R.
Here is as good a random system as you'll find. Throw a die............
1......dozen one
2......dozen two
3......dozen three
4......column one
5......column two
6.....column three
Roll and hit a 1. Bet the two and three dozen. Use the 1 3 9 27 etc progression. You can play for days without a loss and then it will eat your cabbage.
On another note: I am impressed with FLATman's work with the 10 trots of 300 from ten different people. That is an open test with no room for doubt. While I would never stoop to calling someone and out and out liar (Except Obama, the Kenyan) I would like to see some proof. Liars do come along every now and then.
Sam
@the pilot
merci d avoir repondu
a mes messages privés
the pilot answer me
he is really french
i am really happy that a french player is winning with JL method
i would like to win like him but it no seem to be so easy
Update:
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Played a little less yesterday as went to Firework show with OH and kids
Still have only been taken to the 4th step once on BVNZ :thumbsup:
I wish I could get my head around 8 on 1, I just can't yet :/
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Yesterday I lost 242 units on BV NZ
numbers: 4,18,15,3,14,34,7,25,33,16,12,17,2,34,31,26,28,11,27,6,4,31,11,2,25,13,26,7,6,6,15,12,25,17,6,4,5,35,10,11,22,1,35,4,10,32,21,16,5,7,29,2,31,7,19,3,36,3,30,31,34,29,19,22,1,25,27,30,26,23,22,35,16,23,9,33,14,17,33,13,15,35,1,35,3,20,22,13,35,8,14,35,33,8,25,29,23,35,18,11,19,23,7,7,20,24,33,18,36,6,17,8,24,11,18,3,2,12,26,30,6,29,19,19,11,20,21,1,35,35,6,30,29,3,29,35,7,33,8,11,10,25,25,25,10,10,20,35,26,11,25,26,23,11,9,23,11,16,14,20,2,3,27,7,1,27,27,2,33,35,24,9,12,31,35,8,34,21,34,5
7 consecutive 4 gaps
Quote from: xeo on Nov 08, 02:45 AM 2012
Yesterday I lost 242 units on BV NZ
numbers: 4,18,15,3,14,34,7,25,33,16,12,17,2,34,31,26,28,11,27,6,4,31,11,2,25,13,26,7,6,6,15,12,25,17,6,4,5,35,10,11,22,1,35,4,10,32,21,16,5,7,29,2,31,7,19,3,36,3,30,31,34,29,19,22,1,25,27,30,26,23,22,35,16,23,9,33,14,17,33,13,15,35,1,35,3,20,22,13,35,8,14,35,33,8,25,29,23,35,18,11,19,23,7,7,20,24,33,18,36,6,17,8,24,11,18,3,2,12,26,30,6,29,19,19,11,20,21,1,35,35,6,30,29,3,29,35,7,33,8,11,10,25,25,25,10,10,20,35,26,11,25,26,23,11,9,23,11,16,14,20,2,3,27,7,1,27,27,2,33,35,24,9,12,31,35,8,34,21,34,5
7 consecutive 4 gaps
Xeo,
I typed the numbers in the table excel
gaps Doz1:
4
4
4 Trigger
4 L
5+ Win, stop game
4
4
4 newTrigger
4 L
4 L
4 L
...
I haven't tried JL's two latest systems but I have tried all the others (by the book) and none of them worked for me.
I certainly am not going to call anyone a liar so I have to put it down to luck or in my case no luck.
According to JL he's been lucky for 17 years!
I would have thought that with that sort of luck a system isn't really necessary.
Trebor
Quote from: trebor on Nov 08, 08:35 AM 2012
I haven't tried JL's two latest systems but I have tried all the others (by the book) and none of them worked for me.
I certainly am not going to call anyone a liar so I have to put it down to luck or in my case no luck.
According to JL he's been lucky for 17 years!
I would have thought that with that sort of luck a system isn't really necessary.
Trebor
Very astute of u
Turner
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 05, 05:48 PM 2012
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Twister how exactly are you playing this your results have jumped 86 wins in one day?
Cheers K
Quote from: KoolKat on Nov 08, 02:32 PM 2012
Twister how exactly are you playing this your results have jumped 86 wins in one day?
Cheers K
As per the rules but with only 2 Triggers not 3 on Auto Spin on BVNZ
Most wins take around 90 spins (some are 20 some are 150)
Also most wins come on the 1st or 2nd bet
BVNZ is really fast. Once I got the hang of Tracking I just leave it on Autospin until a Trigger :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 20, 09:17 AM 2012
-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----02
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER
This is what I don't get...how can you have a 04 dozen?
I read that...going down the numbers...as dozen 3, dozen 4???? dozen 2, dozen 4, dozen 4????
eh???
Quote from: subby on Nov 08, 03:23 PM 2012
This is what I don't get...how can you have a 04 dozen?
I read that...going down the numbers...as dozen 3, dozen 4???? dozen 2, dozen 4, dozen 4????
eh???
Subby, The numbers are the gaps not the dozens >:D
Quote from: subby on Nov 08, 03:23 PM 2012
This is what I don't get...how can you have a 04 dozen?
I read that...going down the numbers...as dozen 3, dozen 4???? dozen 2, dozen 4, dozen 4????
eh???
Subby...even my cat knew that was gaps :thumbsup:
snubby
I just talked to my cat and he said to tell you this:
Number Dozen
21.................2...........gap opener
36.................3
2...................1
30.................3
6...................1
13.................2...............gap closer
If he's not on the catnip, this is right. However, there might only be three non-2 dozens between the opener and closer. He's just not sure.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 08, 06:48 PM 2012
snubby
I just talked to my cat and he said to tell you this:
Number Dozen
21.................2...........gap opener
36.................3
2...................1
30.................3
6...................1
13.................2...............gap closer
If he's not on the catnip, this is right. However, there might only be three non-2 dozens between the opener and closer. He's just not sure.
Sam
She (Izzy) is about to drop kittens any day. Thats gonna be a new experience.
Quote from: trebor on Nov 08, 08:35 AM 2012
I haven't tried JL's two latest systems but I have tried all the others (by the book) and none of them worked for me.
I certainly am not going to call anyone a liar so I have to put it down to luck or in my case no luck.
According to JL he's been lucky for 17 years!
I would have thought that with that sort of luck a system isn't really necessary.
Trebor
I would stay away from any method here that apparently everybody wins with. If 10 guys have nothing but winning streaks you might be the one that has nothing but loses. Everything has to balance out given some time. Generally its a waste of time to dwell on anybody's stats and not politically correct to question them. ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 08, 03:17 PM 2012
As per the rules but with only 2 Triggers not 3 on Auto Spin on BVNZ
Most wins take around 90 spins (some are 20 some are 150)
Also most wins come on the 1st or 2nd bet
BVNZ is really fast. Once I got the hang of Tracking I just leave it on Autospin until a Trigger :thumbsup:
So 100 games would take you 15 hours? With autospin you can go i guess 600 spins in 1 hour. ;D
QuoteWith autospin you can go i guess 600 spins in 1 hour
Auto spin none stop will chuck out 1000 spins in about 40 minutes if I remember correctly, done plenty of that.
Quote from: superman on Nov 09, 02:46 AM 2012
Auto spin none stop will chuck out 1000 spins in about 40 minutes if I remember correctly, done plenty of that.
Different story if you want to stop it and make a bet. Yeah 1 spin every 2-3 seconds sounds right.
Yes, but I did say none stop
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Twisteruk Can you let me know if I am playing this correctly please Thanks K
3
1
1 1st Gap
1
3
3
1
1
3
3
3
2
2
1
1
3
3
3
2
1 2nd gap
2
3
1
2
1 Bet Here?
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Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 10, 09:51 AM 2012
Does that help ?
Twister sorry just one more question please where you have put 2nd gap there are 4 dozens so didn't class as 2nd gap? Cheers Mate K
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Gotacha, so I can have a gap in between with more than 4 gap and i wait for the 2nd gap then bet? Many thanks Twister :thumbsup:
Quote from: KoolKat on Nov 10, 10:48 AM 2012
Gotacha, so I can have a gap in between with more than 4 gap and i wait for the 2nd gap then bet? Many thanks Twister :thumbsup:
No, sorry I mis read ure txt. Here follows an example of 2 4 gaps
IF you have a gap bigger than in the example you start over
Example
3
1
1
1
3 Gap 1
1
1
1
3 Gap2
1
1
1
X Bet now Dozens 1 and 2
Twister thanks now makes sense K :xd:
At the risk that this has been covered and answered before, how does the zero affect the tracking..?
122212212212121212212221111202 now bet against dozen 1 or not..??
Also, I'm assuming that once betting commences it continues against the chosen dozen without breaks of any kind..?
So, in other words:
122212212212121212212221111222... Now put 1 unit on D2&3, Now put 3 units on D2&3, Now put 9 unit on D2&3, Now put 27 unit on D2&3, Now put 81 unit on D2&3..??
Cheers
Quote from: topcat888 on Nov 11, 05:11 AM 2012
At the risk that this has been covered and answered before, how does the zero affect the tracking..?
122212212212121212212221111202 now bet against dozen 1 or not..??
Also, I'm assuming that once betting commences it continues against the chosen dozen without breaks of any kind..?
So, in other words:
122212212212121212212221111222... Now put 1 unit on D2&3, Now put 3 units on D2&3, Now put 9 unit on D2&3, Now put 27 unit on D2&3, Now put 81 unit on D2&3..??
Cheers
In ure example, Not. And you ignore the Zero. The progression is correct as is the example.
Thanks Twister :thumbsup:
My opinion is BVNZ acts on your style of play and sends you strings of numbers to break you. can't prove it either way but the amount of times I've tested a System there and it starts great then flops.......ALWAYS
Quote from: Twisteruk on Nov 09, 11:30 AM 2012
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Twister
You always thought that BVNZ was not to be trusted. What made you change your mind? ;D
Regards
Starting Ok and flip after some time is a behavior of most methods. If you set the random string to 60, they can not during those spins do anything., as the numbers can not be changed.
I do not think they do anything to read your game, they know they will profit better not put theire reputation in danger.
The total winnings from all players will never be more than the total loss.
Its far more likely the method is in a losing period, than any cheating from the casino.
It is impossible to place a bet which must win.
Quoteit starts great then flops.......ALWAYS
After how many spins are you judging this Robeen?
Have you tried as Ralph says, set it to 60 spins, they CANNOT fidle with those numbers during your play, try it and report back mate.
As you know I have 10300 real money BVNZ spins, funny thing about them is everything I run through them has a rough patch around spin 7000 - 8000 so rough that I now watch while testing things for that area, if it makes it through that area then it requires more testing, I have looked at that area of numbers and cannot understand why it catches almost everything I try out? random hey, gotta love it
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 11, 09:40 AM 2012
Twister
You always thought that BVNZ was not to be trusted. What made you change your mind? ;D
Regards
Nothing. However I do now set the string to 60 and so far with 8 on 1 all is good :thumbsup:
Quote from: superman on Nov 11, 11:54 AM 2012
After how many spins are you judging this Robeen?
Have you tried as Ralph says, set it to 60 spins, they CANNOT fidle with those numbers during your play, try it and report back mate.
As you know I have 10300 real money BVNZ spins, funny thing about them is everything I run through them has a rough patch around spin 7000 - 8000 so rough that I now watch while testing things for that area, if it makes it through that area then it requires more testing, I have looked at that area of numbers and cannot understand why it catches almost everything I try out? random hey, gotta love it
Superman
In my post on the top it was just the quote from Twister. I was just wondering why he changed his mind about BVNZ ;D