****8 on 1****

[Robeenhuut]

Yes that's correct, 10% on winnings

If/when my bank increases then it will pay to go back to the 1c bet on the Zero Wheel

I saw minimum 0.05 on the Zero Wheel demo mode though as well.

[Twisteruk]

I saw minimum 0.05 on the Zero Wheel demo mode though as well.

zero wheel is 1c

[superman]

Results for Skakus 32000 spins, noted on the file are the high bets, just scroll to see them, I noticed the bot is getting multiple triggers this has blown the bank once during the run, I need JL to say what he would do if he had 2 trigger dozens at one time, play both OR play the first one that triggered, further down the file the progression was blown playing 1 dozens triggers only, so from the 32000 spins we lost once, but maybe twice depending on what JL does with multiple triggers.

[atlantis]

Hi John,

I'm assuming (like FIVE) that the three consecutive 4-GAP triggers in a dozen must not have gaps greater than 4 between them e.g.:

-----DOZEN 3
-----04 --- trigger1
-----07 --- triggers cancelled
-----02
-----04 --- trigger1
-----04 --- trigger2
-----06 --- triggers cancelled

-----DOZEN 2
-----04 ---trigger1
-----03
-----04 ---trigger2
-----02
-----04----BET TRIGGER

-----DOZEN 1
-----04 --- trigger1
-----08 --- trigger cancelled
-----04 --- trigger1
-----09 --- trigger cancelled
-----04 --- trigger1
-----03
-----02
-----04 --- trigger2
-----03
-----04 --- BET TRIGGER

Please confirm John if indeed correct. Thank you.

Atlantis.



Yes Atlantis this is correct. Hey its good to have you and Twister back on my thread. 20 months ago our dream team created the Matrix concept. That led to interelated thoughts outside of a matrix. And is to some degree responsible for the ideas of late. With FIVE and now 8 ON 1...

Good. Thought so. Hope everyone else is following this rule in the large testing samples too!

A.

[Skakus]

Results for Skakus 32000 spins, noted on the file are the high bets, just scroll to see them, I noticed the bot is getting multiple triggers this has blown the bank once during the run, I need JL to say what he would do if he had 2 trigger dozens at one time, play both OR play the first one that triggered, further down the file the progression was blown playing 1 dozens triggers only, so from the 32000 spins we lost once, but maybe twice depending on what JL does with multiple triggers.

Hey superman, thanks for running those numbers. I've looked through the file and it looks like 3 losses to me? Two look like stand alone busts @ 81 units, and one seems messed up with the double trigger is that right?

[seykid31]

No matter how good this is,how many test drive it had passed,i could never find myself playing this progression to win 5-10 units a day.

[Twisteruk]

Just played a quick session took about 2-3 minutes and was 33 spins long

1 Bet 1 Win


Current Bank is +13 Units all Won on First Bet

[subby]

No matter how good this is,how many test drive it had passed,i could never find myself playing this progression to win 5-10 units a day.

If each unit was £5 it would be. Take a year to really grind out a BR of about £1000 and then use that to play 8on1 with £5 units. It's getting that BR up that is many people's problem, not the systems to be used to win. Patience is a thing that most people need and to play a system for large units like this, you need to be patient. Really patient to get a BR up high enough that it becomes worth your while playing for an hour for five £5 units = £25

[Twisteruk]

If each unit was £5 it would be. Take a year to really grind out a BR of about £1000 and then use that to play 8on1 with £5 units. It's getting that BR up that is many people's problem, not the systems to be used to win. Patience is a thing that most people need and to play a system for large units like this, you need to be patient. Really patient to get a BR up high enough that it becomes worth your while playing for an hour for five £5 units = £25

100% spot on 

[Twisteruk]

Latest update

+19 Units

All bets Won on First Bet

[superman]

Hey superman, thanks for running those numbers. I've looked through the file and it looks like 3 losses to me? Two look like stand alone busts @ 81 units, and one seems messed up with the double trigger is that right?

81 is the max progression he uses so it's not a bust, I have just gone through the file and heres what I have. We need JL to tell me what to do with multiple dozen triggers.

max bet 81 reached 5 times

6893 - L  Prog 1 Cash 101 Peak 103 BetAgainst (dc)
6897 - L  Prog 3 Cash 95 Peak 103 BetAgainst (db)
6902 - L  Prog 9 Cash 77 Peak 103 BetAgainst (db)
6910 - L  Prog 27 Cash 23 Peak 103 BetAgainst (dc)
6915 - W  Prog 81 Cash 104 Peak 103 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet but mixed again db/dc
###########################################
7923 - L  Prog 1 Cash 117 Peak 119 BetAgainst (da)
7943 - L  Prog 3 Cash 111 Peak 119 BetAgainst (db)
7951 - L  Prog 9 Cash 93 Peak 119 BetAgainst (db)
7953 - L  Prog 27 Cash 39 Peak 119 BetAgainst (da)
7967 - W  Prog 81 Cash 120 Peak 119 BetAgainst (db)<--------- max bet but mixed again da/db
###########################################
16830 - L  Prog 1 Cash 253 Peak 255 BetAgainst (db)
16854 - L  Prog 3 Cash 247 Peak 255 BetAgainst (db)
16860 - L  Prog 9 Cash 229 Peak 255 BetAgainst (db)
16869 - L  Prog 27 Cash 175 Peak 255 BetAgainst (db)
16872 - W  Prog 81 Cash 256 Peak 255 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet but mixed again db/dc
###########################################
26012 - L  Prog 1 Cash 383 Peak 385 BetAgainst (db)
26033 - L  Prog 3 Cash 377 Peak 385 BetAgainst (db)
26044 - L  Prog 9 Cash 359 Peak 385 BetAgainst (dc)
26048 - L  Prog 27 Cash 305 Peak 385 BetAgainst (db)
26051 - W  Prog 81 Cash 386 Peak 385 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet but mixed again db/dc
###########################################
30799 - L  Prog 1 Cash 458 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)
30820 - L  Prog 3 Cash 452 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)
30850 - L  Prog 9 Cash 434 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)
30855 - L  Prog 27 Cash 380 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)
30870 - W  Prog 81 Cash 461 Peak 460 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet

progression lost 1 time

24541 - L  Prog 1 Cash 362 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24548 - L  Prog 3 Cash 356 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24555 - L  Prog 9 Cash 338 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24580 - L  Prog 27 Cash 284 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24592 - L  Prog 81 Cash 122 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)
24607 - W  Prog 243 Cash 365 Peak 364 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- progression lost

Unknown until JL tells us the rule for this scenario

25927 - L  Prog 1 Cash 382 Peak 384 BetAgainst (db)
25932 - L  Prog 3 Cash 376 Peak 384 BetAgainst (db)
25940 - L  Prog 9 Cash 358 Peak 384 BetAgainst (dc)
25946 - L  Prog 27 Cash 304 Peak 384 BetAgainst (db)
25974 - L  Prog 81 Cash 142 Peak 384 BetAgainst (dc)
25982 - W  Prog 243 Cash 385 Peak 384 BetAgainst (dc)<--------- max bet but mixed again db/dc
###########################################
3745 - L  Prog 1 Cash 48 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3756 - L  Prog 3 Cash 42 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3768 - L  Prog 9 Cash 24 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3769 - L  Prog 27 Cash -30 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3777 - L  Prog 81 Cash -192 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3787 - L  Prog 243 Cash -678 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3789 - W  Prog 729 Cash 51 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3804 - W  Prog 1 Cash 52 Peak 51 BetAgainst (db)
3824 - W  Prog 1 Cash 53 Peak 52 BetAgainst (dc)

[Johnlegend]

Thanks. By other stuff i just meant other methods. There are some people not only John that claim that a regular and NoZero Rng on BV behave differently but in reality there is no sure answer to this question except some randomness test.

Matt don't get me wrong. I'm not sayng BVNZ cheat. It may well be possible to rack up 11 consecutive 4 GAPS there. But then you've got to ask yourself, why a SNGLE ZERO WHEEL can't even do 7. It may be that the zero not being there affects the patterns random makes. Just as I asume a tracker is different. Do you see what I'm saying? The single zero wheel LIVE OR RNG. Isn't interested in going to 8 or beyond. What have I been playing for the last 18 years? A SINGLE ZERO WHEEL. So what is the value in playing it on anyother setup?

Then when it appears to lose easily, its ATTACK, ATTACK JL time. I've always said this test in the playground you intend to play for REAL.

[superman]

Matt don't get me wrong. I'm not sayng BVNZ cheat. It may well be possible to rack up 11 consecutive 4 GAPS there. But then you've got to ask yourself, why a SNGLE ZERO WHEEL can't even do 7

Look at my results JL, we need some clarification first up, BUT the no zero BV wheel results didn't push too hard, no progression losses, on the otherhand, the 0 wheel file from Skakus had 1 definate bust and 1 possible bust, depending on what you say rule wise for multiple dozen triggers happening at the same time, what would you do?

3745 - L  Prog 1 Cash 48 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3756 - L  Prog 3 Cash 42 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3768 - L  Prog 9 Cash 24 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3769 - L  Prog 27 Cash -30 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3777 - L  Prog 81 Cash -192 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3787 - L  Prog 243 Cash -678 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3789 - W  Prog 729 Cash 51 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3804 - W  Prog 1 Cash 52 Peak 51 BetAgainst (db)
3824 - W  Prog 1 Cash 53 Peak 52 BetAgainst (dc)

As you can see both dozen C, A and B were creating triggers and betting at some point in the above section, this caused the progression to go sky high!! so we/I need some clarification as to what YOU would have done, so I can tell the bot what to do

[Johnlegend]

Look at my results JL, we need some clarification first up, BUT the no zero BV wheel results didn't push too hard, no progression losses, on the otherhand, the 0 wheel file from Skakus had 1 definate bust and 1 possible bust, depending on what you say rule wise for multiple dozen triggers happening at the same time, what would you do?

3745 - L  Prog 1 Cash 48 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3756 - L  Prog 3 Cash 42 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3768 - L  Prog 9 Cash 24 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3769 - L  Prog 27 Cash -30 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3777 - L  Prog 81 Cash -192 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3787 - L  Prog 243 Cash -678 Peak 50 BetAgainst (dc)
3789 - W  Prog 729 Cash 51 Peak 50 BetAgainst (da)
3804 - W  Prog 1 Cash 52 Peak 51 BetAgainst (db)
3824 - W  Prog 1 Cash 53 Peak 52 BetAgainst (dc)

As you can see both dozen C, A and B were creating triggers and betting at some point in the above section, this caused the progression to go sky high!! so we/I need some clarification as to what YOU would have done, so I can tell the bot what to do

Superman I'm not entirely with you. You are saying 3 dozens all produced TREBLE TRIGGERS simultaneously?? I've never had more than one treble trigger at a time. Its hard enough for random to do this once.

[Twisteruk]

Ive found it so hard to get a Treble Trigger I just play with Two Triggers