****8 on 1****

[Turner]

Sam I'm not deleting anything. Here's how it stands. The only thing that makes people sit up and take notice these days is large sums of cash. When theres 10k sitting in Supermans BV account. Maybe a few more sceptics will begin to understand, I know what I'm talking about.

John, its not about sceptics. No one is doubting that this will work...they are seeing with their own eyes that it is close ....very close, to not working. that's not sceptical.  These are clever people who see things arnt as rosy as you say they are. If it got to 81-81 to win 1U, even idiots like me will raise an eyebrow.
81-81 is close John. Blo0dy close!

[Twisteruk]

and BVNZ only went to the 4th step

Thats nice know while play with 5 

[Turner]

Actually...here is a good question....to Twister,superman, John...anyone really.

If if loses 1-3-9-27....will you place the 162U, or take the loss. Are you that confident this is a limit of random?

[ugly bob]

Thank you for sharing your idea.


bob.

[Skakus]

Hi Superman,
The first step bet of 1-1 on the dozens would be after the 03 occurred (3 misses) and you are betting that the dozen will not hit on the fourth either.. and it won since the record shows it continued to miss until the 7th. spin.
If it HAD of hit on the 4th then you would have got:

04 --- BET TRIGGER
04 --- LOST step 1

so you wait for an 03 in the same dozen before ascending to step 2 level of 3-3
e.g.:

04 --- BET TRIGGER
04 --- LOST Step 1 at 1-1 units
03 --- BET TRIGGER to bet against 04 occurring with Step 2 at 3-3 units

Now I'm confused? You say once you lose the first step of the progression you must only bet the remaining steps of the progression when a trigger presents on the same dozen?

I thought you could move to the next step of the progression on any trigger dozen?

If not able to move then once you lose a step you are locked in to the losing dozen. This means either skimming over many possible triggers, or reaching a stage where you have up to three separate bets going on the three different dozens at different levels of progressions, and I don't think that's right?

Hey superman did you lock into the same dozen for subsequent bets? Is that why the betting opportunities where down? Not enough bets mate, somethings wrong.

Jl, can you verify?

[Skakus]

Actually...here is a good question....to Twister,superman, John...anyone really.

If if loses 1-3-9-27....will you place the 162U, or take the loss. Are you that confident this is a limit of random?

I think JL addressed this in rule 3  first post of thread.

Cheers.

[maestro]

skakus you got more of your rng spins say over 100000....thanks

[superman]

So, Superman, are you saying that IF we had a set of hard-and-fast, etched in stone and copied on Holy Parchment rules, this thing would work?

Thank you for you bot and all your hard work on this idea

It would appear so Sam, so far anyway, although 81-81 for 1 unit is high risk, but if it didnt go there often it would work, but if it did go there and beyond, then I somehow feel you would be playing or running the bot for days and lose it all in a flash so depending on how often a loss happens really, as you can see with Skakus first spin file the max bet was reached instantly, so there goes the hit n run myth, first trigger COULD have demolished a large part of the bankroll, interested to hear JLs' response on that as hit n run would have been sit n sweat for 466 spins

71 - L  Prog 1 Cash -2 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da)
203 - L  Prog 3 Cash -8 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da)
356 - L  Prog 9 Cash -26 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da)
378 - L  Prog 27 Cash -80 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da)
466 - W  Prog 81 Cash 1 Peak 0 BetAgainst (da)

It isn't hard work Sam, just time consuming.

Maybe someone can bot it now

Easily done, but as I've said before I only make individual bots not one size fits all, but, for this method would you really want your pc sitting there for 31000+ spins to make about 70 - 100 units? BV would probably give you around 18000 spins per 24 hours, they stop you at 24 hours too, it could be done but will take a good few days to see any value, depending on chip values obviousley, forget 0.05 cents lol this method would probably be best as an add on to other methods, playing versus return is very low in this case, my opinion of course.

Hey superman did you lock into the same dozen for subsequent bets? Is that why the betting opportunities where down? Not enough bets mate, somethings wrong

Yes mate, JL said he takes the first one that started so thats what I have done in the bot, IF ANY dozen gets the 1st trigger that dozen now becomes the betting target so yes you would probably lose some betting opportunities. DONT forget the previous tests were run on only 2 triggers and waiting for the count to hit 4 before betting, NOW after calrification from JL and Atlantis, it waits for 4 triggers and starts betting at a count of 3.

Actually...here is a good question....to Twister,superman, John...anyone really

If if loses 1-3-9-27....will you place the 162U, or take the loss. Are you that confident this is a limit of random?

I just test and report the results mate, I think the other guys would take that risk though, I would with 1 cent chips 

[Turner]

I think JL addressed this in rule 3  first post of thread.

Cheers.

Skakus, I wasnt meaning making a decision of playing 5 step or prefering 4 step after the trigger betting against 7 consecutive 4 GAPS. I was saying...you like the original idea and trust it, but it takes you to 4 step, would you lay 162 U with complete trust in its ability to bamboozle random

[Skakus]

   
Yes mate, JL said he takes the first one that started so that's what I have done in the bot, IF ANY dozen gets the 1st trigger that dozen now becomes the betting target so yes you would probably lose some betting opportunities. don't forget the previous tests were run on only 2 triggers and waiting for the count to hit 4 before betting, NOW after calrification from JL and Atlantis, it waits for 4 triggers and starts betting at a count of 3.

I thought you were supposed to wait for 3 triggers then bet after a count of 3 to stop the 4th trigger forming? I'm still not clear on the locking into the same dozen for the entire progression either? Maybe he did, but I don't recall JL saying this.

[superman]

I'm still not clear on the locking into the same dozen for the entire progression either? Maybe he did, but I don't recall JL saying this

Reply #114

         Quote from: superman on Yesterday at 08:25:52 AM

So cancel both, would you not run with one of them, 1st to start etc? you would have to as you wouldn't know the next one was coming, so what you are saying is

DA whatever
DB 3,4,1,1,4
DC 4,3,2,4,4

C is ready to be bet on but as B has started to produce triggers you would ignore C now? but at what point would you scratch either, if one already had a 4 gap and then another had a 4 gap, scratch there or if one has 2 4 gaps and another starts?

  Okay I'm with you now Superman. In that scenario, we go and stay with the first to qualify. I've had this once. 

[TwoCatSam]

"Sit and Sweat"......I LOVE IT!!

[Twisteruk]

Current Update

40 Games Played

40 Games Won

+40pts

[Skakus]

>>> So cancel both, would you not run with one of them, 1st to start etc? you would have to as you wouldn't know the next one was coming, so what you are saying is

DA whatever
DB 3,4,1,1,4
DC 4,3,2,4,4

C is ready to be bet on but as B has started to produce triggers you would ignore C now? but at what point would you scratch either, if one already had a 4 gap and then another had a 4 gap, scratch there or if one has 2 4 gaps and another starts?

  Okay I'm with you now Superman. In that scenario, we go and stay with the first to qualify. I've had this once. <<<



I read that as, go with DC because it is the first to form 3 gaps of 4. Now stay with DC until it reaches a 3 count then bet DA & DB once to stop DC forming a 4th gap of 4.

But if you lose the bet and DC forms a 4th gap of 4, then you are free to hunt a new bet trigger from any dozen to play the next step of the progression.

JL, is this correct?

superman, is this what you're doing?


Or do we now just continue betting DC once each time it reaches a 3 count until we win or lose all 5 steps of the progression?

[ugly bob]

Let me get this right.

You place 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27, 81-81 = 242 total.

I like the idea of steady wins but not sure if I could watch the last bet.


bob.