****8 on 1****

[malcop]

On the European Roulette or the No Zero version?

Both, and not much luck playing Baccarat on there either!

[Johnlegend]

On the European Roulette or the No Zero version?

I dont think BV single zero cheat. BVNZ is temptation itself. With no risk to move the wheel you have no handicap. And zero house edge. But are you paying for those advantages in some other way? Thats the question. Im curious to see how Twister fares. He has been doing very well so far. With speedy turnover on a slow method. I think if you play short bursts you can do well. If you play long drawn out sessions. I think you will get taken.

[Johnlegend]

A NoZero wheel is of course easier to beat, who do not understand that, has to learn how the game works.

I do not play the NOzero, due to the 10% tax on winnings, that is the only reason.
A NoZero wheel is easier to beat PERIOD. It you think otherwise, you must say the casino cheat or take a class in math.

A wheel is not rigged, because you happen to lose, it is allways hard to beat a wheel.

Ralph Im not taking about the house edge. I believe theres a possibility that without the zero. The formation of runs and patterns is affected. And things that wouldnt happen on a 37 numbered wheel could possibly happen on BVNZ. Thats all im saying. So a method thats engineered to play and beat the classic single zero wheel. Might not perform the same on the no zero wheel.

[Ralph]

Ralph I'm not taking about the house edge. I believe theres a possibility that without the zero. The formation of runs and patterns is affected. And things that wouldnt happen on a 37 numbered wheel could possibly happen on BVNZ. that's all I'm saying. So a method that's engineered to play and beat the classic single zero wheel. Might not perform the same on the no zero wheel.

I can not see any methods which work better with more zeros. You can find zero wheel at BV which pays without the house edge, even an American wheel, but normally they do not change the odds.

It you play EC on a No Zero or play on a zero wheel and no surrender, it will never be loss to zero.

The NoZero tax the net winnings by 10%, at nodays each session, so that is the disadvantages.
Still you win easier, but not sure the net is better.

[Twisteruk]

Current Update

77 Games Played

77 Games Won

+77pts

[Johnlegend]

I can not see any methods which work better with more zeros. You can find zero wheel at BV which pays without the house edge, even an American wheel, but normally they do not change the odds.

It you play EC on a No Zero or play on a zero wheel and no surrender, it will never be loss to zero.

The NoZero tax the net winnings by 10%, at nodays each session, so that is the disadvantages.
Still you win easier, but not sure the net is better.

Again I'm not talking about house edge. I'm talking about the way the zero effects the formation oF patterns example...

01--30--34--13--07--13--24--23--09--24--Z--18--21--11-----The zeros appearance here has pushed everything one step forward. What might have been a string of 4 GAPS is now broken. The green goblin has an effect on pattern formation and the overall flow of things. A method that works in spite of it being there. Might not work as well in its absence.

[ugly bob]

15 games = 15 wins. So far so good.


bob.

[Amazin]

which one is better? this or FIVE? I don't understand any of it, lol

-----DOZEN 3
-----04
-----02
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER

-----DOZEN 2
-----04
-----03
-----04
-----02
-----04-----BET TRIGGER

-----DOZEN 1
-----04
-----04
-----04-----BET TRIGGER

there are only 3 dozens is there?

[Robeenhuut]

Ok after some clarification the test bot has been changed ..... a lot, it appears I was running 2 triggers, the same as TwisterUK is playing, so all the previous results are to be compared with Twisters method of play, all the busts too LoL

I have just rerun the 10360 real money BVNZ spins and both spin files from Skakus, all attached, of course waiting for the extra trigger has meant a lot less bets were placed, but progression was never breached, came to the max once on Skakus 320001.txt and that's a bad as it got.

The results here using Skakus files and BVNZ spins in terms of turnover are very similar to Stef tracker in Excel using 500 RNG generated spins.  Quite often no bets in 500 spins. You see some 8 gaps and bigger once in a while. Its rare of course because its rare to get a game with all the triggers. But i guess apparently RNG in Excel behaves more randomly  then on BV where in a few hundred games its virtually impossible to see even 7 gaps. 

[TwoCatSam]

15 games = 15 wins. So far so good.


bob.

How ugly are you, bob?

[ugly bob]

How ugly are you, bob?

They turn off the cameras whenever I walk into the bank!

20 games = 20 wins. I think I will take a chance with this one for small stakes.


bob.

[kevint3]

I am considering playing sleeping dozens when playing 8 on 1 and **Five** to get some more betting opportunities.

Not sure how long I should let one sleep before betting...any Ideas? I am thinking if a dozen sleeps for 7 spins bet one unit on the sleeper and 1 unit on the most recent (for repeaters) to hit.

I am sure the sleeping dozen method has been hashed and re-hashed on here before.

I guess it will come down to personal choice.

I wish I could bet the over/under on how long the waitress comes back with my drink. Always bet the over.

[Johnlegend]

I am considering playing sleeping dozens when playing 8 on 1 and **Five** to get some more betting opportunities.

Not sure how long I should let one sleep before betting...any Ideas? I am thinking if a dozen sleeps for 7 spins bet one unit on the sleeper and 1 unit on the most recent (for repeaters) to hit.

I am sure the sleeping dozen method has been hashed and re-hashed on here before.

I guess it will come down to personal choice.

I wish I could bet the over/under on how long the waitress comes back with my drink. Always bet the over.

While tracking for a game of 8 on1 a few days ago. Dozen 2 slept for 24 spins. I was tempted to chase it after 20 but didn't. Few streaks break the 30 barrier. Superman could bot up how often a progression from 16 to 29---478 units risk would hold. I've only seen the 30 barrier broken 4 times in 18 years playing this game. Thousands of long sleepers rise and shine between 16-----29.

[kevint3]

While tracking for a game of 8 on1 a few days ago. Dozen 2 slept for 24 spins. I was tempted to chase it after 20 but didn't. Few streaks break the 30 barrier. Superman could bot up how often a progression from 16 to 29---478 units risk would hold. I've only seen the 30 barrier broken 4 times in 18 years playing this game. Thousands of long sleepers rise and shine between 16-----29.

Wow 24 spins is a long time. I wouldn't feel comfortable betting only on the sleeping dozen. Always hedging my bet on also the last dozen hit as well as the sleeper.

[Johnlegend]

Wow 24 spins is a long time. I wouldn't feel comfortable betting only on the sleeping dozen. Always hedging my bet on also the last dozen hit as well as the sleeper.

Yes I don't advise trying to outlive a losing streak straight off the layout. It would just be interesting to see how often it breaks the 30 barrier. 8 ON 1 played on the DOZENS ONLY (Leave the columns alone) Is performing very well. I am 370/0 now. Still haven't seen worse than a 6 live or RNG. The more I think about it the more I know, that Hit and Run is vastly superior to continuos play. When you play continuosly, you are travelling towards a loss. When you play Hit and Run. The only way you can lose is to land ON TOP of a loss.

Now with a method like 8 ON 1. The chances of you landing dead on top of that 8 are remote to say the least. I could land half way through a loss many times. But never experience a dead hit. And I probably have done this several times already. That is the crucial factor that is being missed by the anti HAR brigade. And this could go on for thousands of games. 500/1 longterm and I am happy.