****8 on 1****

[Twisteruk]

Update:

Games played 155

Games Won 155

+155pts

[kevint3]

JL..

With the kind of record you have with these 2 games when are you going to start upping the anti to win some serious loot?

100 Euros to start the first progression?? More?? What is your goal?? Nickel and dime them??

[kevint3]

TwisterUK

Same question. At what point do you start upping the anti??

[Johnlegend]

Update:

Games played 155

Games Won 155

+155pts

Im starting to get impressed Twister as you are doing this on BVNZ. Well done. All the way to 500?

[Johnlegend]

JL..

With the kind of record you have with these 2 games when are you going to start upping the anti to win some serious loot?

100 Euros to start the first progression?? More?? What is your goal?? Nickel and dime them??

Kevin my intentions on BV are as follows. When Superman does the end of year summary. There will be at least 50 EURO in his account. I will have fulfilled the challenge even with the handicap I've had to overcome. I will then send Superman 150 EURO. To top up the account to 200 euro. Looking for 1--2% growth on BR per played session. I will aim for 10,000 EURO. By the close of 2013. Remember I play this live too. And once I fully believe in BV. I will open my own account and start from 500 EURO. Its all go in 2013 Kevin.

Longterm I want to win a quarter of a million/ half a million/ ONE MILLION. I won't stop until I'm stopped. Get the pictiure Kevin?/

[Twisteruk]

I'm starting to get impressed Twister as you are doing this on BVNZ. Well done. All the way to 500?

No even bein tested JL

Most hits are on step 1 or 2 some on 3 and only had one on 4

[Twisteruk]

TwisterUK

Same question. At what point do you start upping the anti??

Kevin its all relative. What is small to some is large to others

[Johnlegend]

No even bein tested JL

Most hits are on step 1 or 2 some on 3 and only had one on 4

Yes thats what I get on BV single zero. Not even had one push me to step 4 yet. But stay away Joe from the columns. They delivered two 7s close together the other day. Columns have always had less consistency than DOZENS.

[Robeenhuut]

Yes Skakus the purpose is to get off the track. Its like when you handed 32,000 spins to Superman and said right lets see how Jls 8 ON 1 stands up to this. I am actually surprised there werent at least 3 or 4 losses in there. Its a good job Superman didn't test it on Columns, because I got my arse kicked playing 8 ON 1 on COLUMNS Tuesday night. And it wasn't that the progression lost. I got two SEVENS in three hours. My problem was I went in after two triggers. And started too heavy. And because I am not allowed to bet more than 1 EURO 100 points. I ran out of steam before the losing run ended. And as a result found myself 6.5 Euros down for the day.

So 8 ON 1 is not stable on COLUMNS. On the Dozens however I still haven't had more than FIVE 4 GAPS. at BV.and 6 live. And FIVE is off on another wonder run. I know some people will never get or accept how I play. But its worked for me, because I have stayed with it and understood why it works. Theres no old thinking in my head. Only what transpires in front of me as that wheel spins. I am back on the up and up. And in November. I am going to spend an entire week playing nothing but BV. that's when I will make some serious progress.

You always put a positive spin on things. In 32000 spins there were 70 games and for 243/1 odds method its nothing. And that you were taken to seven steps playing columns?  Surprised?  Just get on Stephan tracker and hit F9 button few times to produce 500 RNG spins. Its easy to use. If you hit it 100 times you might see some 9 or 10 gaps.  Saw 8's back to back.      Do the math.  But i guess only your challenge provides valid results.  To me getting 500 spins each time is like simulating HAR. But sometimes you can not get  a single game in 500 spins. Has it happened to you on BV?  I guess you havent seen nothing yet.  Wish you getting a steady increase in your balance but if it happens and you have a good chance you should be aware of the real reasons behind your good run. Like Skakus posted  8 on 1 its just 5 step double dozen bet with 3 extra triggers capable of course of long winning streaks because of a long progression.  But a sure winner?

No Matt you have mis-understood me. I mean 4 games a SESSION not day. I might play 20--30 games a day but NEVER more than 4 at a time.

Does the number 4 have any special meaning to you?   

[Johnlegend]

You always put a positive spin on things. In 32000 spins there were 70 games and for 243/1 odds method its nothing. And that you were taken to seven steps playing columns?  Surprised?  Just get on Stephan tracker and hit F9 button few times to produce 500 RNG spins. Its easy to use. If you hit it 100 times you might see some 9 or 10 gaps.  Saw 8's back to back.      Do the math.  But i guess only your challenge provides valid results.  To me getting 500 spins each time is like simulating HAR. But sometimes you can not get  a single game in 500 spins. Has it happened to you on BV?  I guess you haven't seen nothing yet.  Wish you getting a steady increase in your balance but if it happens and you have a good chance you should be aware of the real reasons behind your good run. Like Skakus posted  8 on 1 its just 5 step double dozen bet with 3 extra triggers capable of course of long winning streaks because of a long progression.  But a sure winner?

Does the number 4 have any special meaning to you?

Matt, this is what I don't get about this whole thing. There is always games on BV single Zero. Okay I've been going after TWO triggers like Twister because on dozens I'm getting no challenge whatsoever.. But I've never had more than a 150 spins without a treble trigger. How come it takes so long on this tracker? What you have to also understand is, I don't sit there waiting for triggers. I am playing all the time as I have to move the RNG. I'm playing CODE 4, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, PATTERN BREAKER, MATRIX VERTICAL 5, TWO OF A KIND, THE ZONE, FIVE AND 8 ON 1. Anything I know works and eventually I get the triggers. If I make 3 or 4 units profit before I get the triggers I restart. As I need to get ahead for when the openning spins lose profit.

But this idea about waiting a lifetime for triggers no. This is how you have to play it. FIVE AND 8 ON 1 and MATRIX VERTICAL 5 are slow methods with potentially montrous winning streaks. In between them maturing you have faster paced methods like DIVIDE AND CONQUER, TWO OF A KIND, THE ZONE and CODE 4. They keep the wheel rolling and the profit coming in the meantime. I have had sessions where I make 50 points. And only play 3 or 4 games of FIVE AND 8 ON 1 in the process. Because the other methods have rock and rolled. And got me to my target. Once my target is reached I close it down. Its profit overall I seek. Regardless of which method/s got me there. I will never go after more than 2% increase on BR in a session. I will do in November. But that's only to compensate for black Tuesday. And get me back on track to hit 5000 POINTS by 31/12/2012.

[kevint3]

Kevin my intentions on BV are as follows. When Superman does the end of year summary. There will be at least 50 EURO in his account. I will have fulfilled the challenge even with the handicap I've had to overcome. I will then send Superman 150 EURO. To top up the account to 200 euro. Looking for 1--2% growth on BR per played session. I will aim for 10,000 EURO. By the close of 2013. Remember I play this live too. And once I fully believe in BV. I will open my own account and start from 500 EURO. Its all go in 2013 Kevin.

Longterm I want to win a quarter of a million/ half a million/ ONE MILLION. I won't stop until I'm stopped. Get the pictiure Kevin?/

JL...Yes I get the picture and wish you much success. In history I have only ever heard of one man taking a casino down on the wheel. His name is Billy Walters and built a billion dollar empire sports betting. But long before that he took down a single casino in Atlantic City, NJ by betting on 5 numbers only.

link:://onlineroulette.co.nz/players/billy-walters/

[Skakus]

Yes Skakus the purpose is to get off the track. Its like when you handed 32,000 spins to Superman and said right lets see how Jls 8 ON 1 stands up to this. I am actually surprised there werent at least 3 or 4 losses in there.

Yes, 8 on 1 made it through the two 32000 spins files but there were only 251 bets placed ovwe 170 games through the whole 62,669 logged spins (which is still a decent result).

But that averages out to 1 bet every 250 spins, which is way off your average of 1 bet every 60-80 spins (I noticed this anomally was glazed over by all proponents).

So I’m pretty sure superman’s bot is not playing the game properly (sorry Neal) and if that’s true then the test result is void. Pity.

Ask Twister how often he gets a bet, I’ll wager it’s a lot less than once every 250 spins.

I suspected superman's test was flawed and questioned it in reply 169, then also asked for your verification in post 178 but was completely ignored. Oh well, well and truly swept under the carpet now. 

[Johnlegend]

Hey superman did you lock into the same dozen for subsequent bets? Is that why the betting opportunities where down? Not enough bets mate, somethings wrong.

Jl, can you verify?

The entire game is played on the same dozen Skakus. The reason both Twister and myself are getting faster turnover now, is because we are playing from a double trigger against a seven. So it would be useful to see your 64,000 against that. Therell be more losses, but a lot more bets and wins too. Let's do that??

I mean Twister is 155/0 and has met nothing worse than a FIVE. Me the same. And I'm 392/0 Live plus RNG.

And played straight we'd have surely met at least 1 SEVEN. Point is what your RNG shows and what were getting are too different things. I have 2200 plus possible games documented without a single SEVEN Skakus. You can't ignore those kind of stats, you just can't.

[Johnlegend]

JL...Yes I get the picture and wish you much success. In history I have only ever heard of one man taking a casino down on the wheel. His name is Billy Walters and built a billion dollar empire sports betting. But long before that he took down a single casino in Atlantic City, NJ by betting on 5 numbers only.

link:://onlineroulette.co.nz/players/billy-walters/

Yes Mr Walters beat biased wheels. My intention is to beat Mr RANDOM. So that every person on this forum and anyone interested in this game that hears of it, will know its absolutely possible longterm. And without having to risk thousands too. That is the mission. And no mission impossible as time will show.

[Robeenhuut]

Matt, this is what I don't get about this whole thing. There is always games on BV single Zero. Okay I've been going after TWO triggers like Twister because on dozens I'm getting no challenge whatsoever.. But I've never had more than a 150 spins without a treble trigger. How come it takes so long on this tracker? What you have to also understand is, I don't sit there waiting for triggers. I am playing all the time as I have to move the RNG. I'm playing CODE 4, DIVIDE AND CONQUER, PATTERN BREAKER, MATRIX VERTICAL 5, TWO OF A KIND, THE ZONE, FIVE AND 8 ON 1. Anything I know works and eventually I get the triggers. If I make 3 or 4 units profit before I get the triggers I restart. As I need to get ahead for when the openning spins lose profit.

But this idea about waiting a lifetime for triggers no. This is how you have to play it. FIVE AND 8 ON 1 and MATRIX VERTICAL 5 are slow methods with potentially montrous winning streaks. In between them maturing you have faster paced methods like DIVIDE AND CONQUER, TWO OF A KIND, THE ZONE and CODE 4. They keep the wheel rolling and the profit coming in the meantime. I have had sessions where I make 50 points. And only play 3 or 4 games of FIVE AND 8 ON 1 in the process. Because the other methods have rock and rolled. And got me to my target. Once my target is reached I close it down. Its profit overall I seek. Regardless of which method/s got me there. I will never go after more than 2% increase on BR in a session. I will do in November. But that's only to compensate for black Tuesday. And get me back on track to hit 5000 POINTS by 31/12/2012.

There is a big difference in turnover if you wait for 2 or 3 triggers. But i dont have a problem if the method is slow. I just increase a base bet if i have a confidence in a strike rate. You are surprised that sometimes in Stef's tracker there is no bet in 500 spins. You need 3 4 gap triggers with nothing bigger than 4 in the same dozen. Sometimes it can take a while. Waiting just for 2 triggers makes of course a big difference. Personally looking at tracker's output i dont see nothing out of ordinary compared for example to RX but i dont see any point in arguing more here  I just dont see why you consider 8 on 1 superior to any other double dozen bet selection but i guess that we differ too much in a basic approach to the game like HAR,statistics,randomness......
Hope that you will hit your goals and i will be happy to start another debate then about if you really have  a constant winning method