Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea

[RouletteGhost]

here is a test I just ran from spin 830 something in american zumma

this is a holy grail....thats my story and im sticking to it

this is 26 mini games....78 live wheel spins with no 123 instance....that is why i am not worried about hitting the occasional 123...i will already be in profit and if not i will recover FAST

and the law... your idea of on any win reset and start betting against 123 again without waiting for the 3 spins to be up makes a LOT more profit and faster...so you can get in and out...a continuous bet against 1 2 3 occurring and reset back to betting against 123 on ANY win without sitting out spins and waiting for the next mini game is definitely something to consider if you want to get out fast

[thelaw]

here is a test I just ran from spin 830 something in american zumma

this is a holy grail....thats my story and im sticking to it

this is 26 mini games....78 live wheel spins with no 123 instance....that is why i am not worried about hitting the occasional 123...i will already be in profit and if not i will recover FAST

and the law... your idea of on any win reset and start betting against 123 again without waiting for the 3 spins to be up makes a LOT more profit and faster...so you can get in and out...a continuous bet against 1 2 3 occurring and reset back to betting against 123 on ANY win without sitting out spins and waiting for the next mini game is definitely something to consider if you want to get out fast

If it's the Grail (american Wheel only), then I look forward to you hearing your war stories when you return with your winnings!!!

[RouletteGhost]

i dont know man

i cant look at that chart i just posted and not see a grail......

[thelaw]

i dont know man

i cant look at that chart i just posted and not see a grail......

The only problem with this system is that it lends itself to bad luck hitting you like a sledgehammer......I'm willing to bet there's a less risky progression that's still effective.

Having said that.......I do think that the bet selection might be the best we have available without some serious tracking, so with a bit of luck, you might be able to turn this into a winner long term!

[RouletteGhost]

The only problem with this system is that it lends itself to bad luck hitting you like a sledgehammer......I'm willing to bet there's a less risky progression that's still effective.

Having said that.......I do think that the bet selection might be the best we have available without some serious tracking, so with a bit of luck, you might be able to turn this into a winner long term!

[thelaw]

here is a test I just ran from spin 830 something in american zumma

this is a holy grail....thats my story and im sticking to it

this is 26 mini games....78 live wheel spins with no 123 instance....that is why i am not worried about hitting the occasional 123...i will already be in profit and if not i will recover FAST

and the law... your idea of on any win reset and start betting against 123 again without waiting for the 3 spins to be up makes a LOT more profit and faster...so you can get in and out...a continuous bet against 1 2 3 occurring and reset back to betting against 123 on ANY win without sitting out spins and waiting for the next mini game is definitely something to consider if you want to get out fast

Just a heads up.......using a standard Labouchere progression = +17 units (highest bet 5-5)

This might be the more conservative approach, as a 1-2-3 will not kill your bankroll!

[thelaw]

Wiesbaden Table #2 - 03.10.2015

167 spins

1-2-3 : 5 times

Zero : 4 times

Totals : -202/+203 = +01 unit (includes 1.2.3 on zeros for recoup spins)

***Personally, I'm seeing too many 1-2-3s pop up.........two of these were within 3 games of each other-including the recoup games. So 1-2-3 loss, then recoup win, recoup win, normal win, then 1-2-3 loss again. I have a bad feeling about this...... ***

Wiesbaden Table #2 - 03.10.2015 - 167 spins


Labouchere Total : +33 units (highest bet 8-8)

[RouletteGhost]

Better reeults with that progression

When i played live 2 saturdays ago i played 1 2 5

Break even progression

I only profited on step 1

Made 7 units

[Nick-the-Greek]

Hi,
These are my latest test results - online live single zero wheels:

885 spins
Win 105 units (using 1 3 9 progression)
Win 103 units (using 1 3 3 progression - much less scary if you get a bad run)
Five 1 2 3 combos (* see note)

Let us assume each spin takes 1 minute = 14.75 hours of play
103 units at say £10/$10 per unit = £1030/$1030
Hourly rate of approx. £70/$70!
Someone check my maths please!!!!!!

Most of the combos win within spins one or two so by dropping the progression from 1 3 9 down to 1 3 3 it does not make much difference to the units won.

* Note:
Out of the 885 spins 1 2 3 actually came up 20 times!
However only five of these fell inside the 3 spin combos. This might be a point worth checking if you are running automated tests as your results may show a high total number of 1 2 3 combos rather than how many times they fall in your 3 spin mini game.

Very small sample I know but using the lower risk progression I'm gaining more confidence in this system that all the others I've tried.

Nick 

[RouletteGhost]

Hi,
These are my latest test results - online live single zero wheels:

885 spins
Win 105 units (using 1 3 9 progression)
Win 103 units (using 1 3 3 progression - much less scary if you get a bad run)
Five 1 2 3 combos (* see note)

Let us assume each spin takes 1 minute = 14.75 hours of play
103 units at say £10/$10 per unit = £1030/$1030
Hourly rate of approx. £70/$70!
Someone check my maths please!!!!!!

Most of the combos win within spins one or two so by dropping the progression from 1 3 9 down to 1 3 3 it does not make much difference to the units won.

* Note:
Out of the 885 spins 1 2 3 actually came up 20 times!
However only five of these fell inside the 3 spin combos. This might be a point worth checking if you are running automated tests as your results may show a high total number of 1 2 3 combos rather than how many times they fall in your 3 spin mini game.

Very small sample I know but using the lower risk progression I'm gaining more confidence in this system that all the others I've tried.

Nick

Very nice nick

Yes 10 units about 70 an hour

I like the 1 3 3 good job on that

Is this euro?

Im noticing 1 2 3 occurrence much greater on euro

I notice euro has 123 every 50 spins when on american its closer to 70 to 100

20 times in 880 spins roughly 1 in 50

Im glad you see the gold here

Im sure steve and the moderators laugh at us for thinking this type of thing works lol

[Nick-the-Greek]

Yes, euro wheel.

I'm playing online for real money every night for 10p units at the moment in batches of five mini games - then stop and move to another table.

Bank is increasing slowly and as confidence grows I'll double the unit stake each time inline with a 2% 'bank to stake' ratio.

The 1 3 3 progression takes a huge amount of pressure off as the recoup time is reduced from 26 wins down to 14 - much more realistic, especially if you increase the stakes during the recoup games.

Lots of other progressions have been suggested by others, however I'm going to stick with this one for a while and see how it pans out over a longer period of time as it's so easy to get knocked off track and you end up trying everything but not actually achieving solid results.

Nick

[RouletteGhost]

Nick if your casinos offer american try it

With insurance on 0/00

If im using $10 units ill put $1 ins on 0 and 00

[thelaw]

Hi,
These are my latest test results - online live single zero wheels:

885 spins
Win 105 units (using 1 3 9 progression)
Win 103 units (using 1 3 3 progression - much less scary if you get a bad run)
Five 1 2 3 combos (* see note)

Let us assume each spin takes 1 minute = 14.75 hours of play
103 units at say £10/$10 per unit = £1030/$1030
Hourly rate of approx. £70/$70!
Someone check my maths please!!!!!!

Most of the combos win within spins one or two so by dropping the progression from 1 3 9 down to 1 3 3 it does not make much difference to the units won.

* Note:
Out of the 885 spins 1 2 3 actually came up 20 times!
However only five of these fell inside the 3 spin combos. This might be a point worth checking if you are running automated tests as your results may show a high total number of 1 2 3 combos rather than how many times they fall in your 3 spin mini game.

Very small sample I know but using the lower risk progression I'm gaining more confidence in this system that all the others I've tried.

Nick

I would say that the 1-3-3 is the superior progression thus far with this bet selection.

How are you handling the zeros? Do you count them as part of the mini-game, or keep betting as if they don't exist?

Ex #1 : 1.2.0 (mini game complete-counts as a full loss)

or

Ex #2 : 1.2.0.x (making an extra bet to ignore zero)

Thanks, and great work from you and RG!!!

[RouletteGhost]

I would say that the 1-3-3 is the superior progression thus far with this bet selection.

How are you handling the zeros? Do you count them as part of the mini-game, or keep betting as if they don't exist?

Ex #1 : 1.2.0 (mini game complete-counts as a full loss)

or

Ex #2 : 1.2.0.x (making an extra bet to ignore zero)

Thanks, and great work from you and RG!!!

Always insurance on zero. I do a break even insurance unit

1 0 3 will hurt!

[Nick-the-Greek]

I would say that the 1-3-3 is the superior progression thus far with this bet selection.

How are you handling the zeros? Do you count them as part of the mini-game, or keep betting as if they don't exist?

Ex #1 : 1.2.0 (mini game complete-counts as a full loss)

or

Ex #2 : 1.2.0.x (making an extra bet to ignore zero)

Thanks, and great work from you and RG!!!

Thanks for your comments - I'm playing euro wheels so zero's have not caused too much upset so far (not needed an insurance bet) and I included them in the 3 spin mini games.

Nick