Would it be better to just pick 1 of the 3 Dozens and stick with it? Or, is following the Dozens better?
What would you recommend for Stop-Loss? I'm thinking stop at 6 Loses in-a-row, then restart when Dozen choice hits, or if following restart when Dozen hits 2 in-a-row.
And can someone give me the Labouchère progression for Dozens. I know how it works for 1-1 EC, but how would that be for 2-1 Dozens?
I start session with online Live Wheel feed (not RNG) with minimum .10 cent chips units, with a $600 Limit on the Dozens / Columns, which will give me tons of headroom for long progression losses.
Thanks!
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Hello i play single dozens with this progession 1,2,3,4,6,9,14,21,31,47,70,105 and then double from then 210 420.
I did really well until i got greedy and hit a losing streak where the dozen didn't show for 16 spins!!
I don't know what the odds are of a dozen not showing for more than 12 spins.
Try it and let me know. I live in UK so im playing it on european roulette single Zero.
Thanks
Scott
Every system consists of two elements:
1. Bet selection
2. Money management
Personally, for bet selection for two dozens, I bet on the last two dozens, because it is more frequent for a dozen to sleep, than for the three to come up like 1-2-3-1-2-3.
For money management I use laBoucher for dozens
For LaBoucher with betting 2 dozens the change is that after every lost spin we add two times the lost bet, so we need 50,1% wins in order to enter the session :
Start with 1
Lose: The streak becomes 111 so I bet 2
Lose: The streak becomes 11122 so I bet 3
Lose: The streak becomes 1112233 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 111223344 so I bet 5
Win: The streak becomes 1122334 so I bet 5
Lose: The streak becomes 112233455 so I bet 6
Win: The streak becomes 1223345 so I bet 6
Lose: The streak becomes 122334566 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 2233456 so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 23345 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7
Lose: The streak becomes 33477 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 347 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 4 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 444 so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 4 so I bet 4
Win: End of session
So, with 9 wins and 8 loses I win the session with max bet 10 units
Good luck.
It really makes no difference in the long run. The odds and payouts are still the same.
The only way for you to win, is to increase the accuracy of your predictions. Bet selections don't have any effect on the accuracy of your predictions.
Quote from: winforus on Apr 30, 08:48 AM 2020The only way for you to win, is to increase the accuracy of your predictions.
How can we increase the accuracy of our predictions?
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 30, 10:05 AM 2020
How can we increase the accuracy of our predictions?
If there are times when your guessing is far above the statistical expectation, like 52% chance of losing, in other words your guessing is running at +70%, then you have temporarily increased your predictions while it stays that way. So you must learn to know when you are above or below the balance point in your session. With this method you can use any bet selection technique that you want. But I recommend flat bets or no bets depending on what condition is occurring.
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 30, 10:05 AM 2020
How can we increase the accuracy of our predictions?
At the moment, the only method that is proven to work in increasing the accuracy of predictions is using physics.
The other method, that was not proven, but has a lot of potential is precognition.
You should not be using any type of progression, unless you have increased the accuracy of your predictions. Otherwise, you risk distorting your true win rate and losing more than you would by flat betting.
Quote from: bluediamond2013 on Apr 30, 06:30 AM 2020I don't know what the odds are of a dozen not showing for more than 12 spins.
Try it and let me know. I live in UK so im playing it on european roulette single Zero.
I just did 50,000 spins run on Roulette Xtreme software.
Maximum no-shows in-a-row -- Dozens & Columns:
1st Dozen -- 27
2nd Dozen -- 27
3rd Dozen -- 26
Column A -- 29
Column B -- 33
Column C -- 22
This just goes to show why Stop-Losses are crucial. 8)
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 30, 08:21 AM 2020Personally, for bet selection for two dozens, I bet on the last two dozens, because it is more frequent for a dozen to sleep, than for the three to come up like 1-2-3-1-2-3.
What if I just stick with 1st & 3rd Dozen and use stop-loss after 6-losses in-a-row, then restart when 1st & 3rd Dozen hits again -- To avoid the long successive runs that happens from time-to-time with a single Dozen.
Quote from: winforus on Apr 30, 08:48 AM 2020The only way for you to win, is to increase the accuracy of your predictions. Bet selections don't have any effect on the accuracy of your predictions.
I use to Day Trade futures contracts, or at least tried to. Using very expensive professional Trading Softwares with fancy charts, graphs & analytics, etc. A very hard & costly lesson I learned was -- You CAN'T really "predict" the markets. If you really could, then EVERYBODY would be trading the Markets!
The Markets will do what they will do -- the TRICK is to be "IN IT" whenever it makes it's MOVE. How do successful Traders do it? They have a "general" idea what the Markets might do and they just take a "gamble" and jump in, according to their own Analytics & Method. The Bottom-Line is that they have a pretty good idea of how much Margin they need in their Trading Account to absorb unexpected "losing periods" and they ALWAYS use Stop-Losses. They don't win every session, but are able to eventually come-out of the negative drawdowns with either some Profits or at the very least, were able to recoup ALL losing trades to come back-up to initial Account balance.
The same goes with professional Roulette play.
Since Roulette's characteristics are basically "random", it makes NO SENSE to "try to predict" it. Even when being random, it will produce "patterns". The problem is that you just don't know "when" these patterns will occur -- A similar predicament to what Investors encounter with Financial Markets. So you simply just do what Investors do -- come up with a decent Analytical Method and just "be IN-IT" -- Just play Roulette intelligently by using Stop-Losses and make sure you have an adequate Bank Roll to absorb unexpected losing periods according to your Method's analysis.
Btw,
I don't agree with "flat-betting". It just doesn't make any sense, because the Zero or Double Zero "nullifies" that. Yeah, I know the argument that Flat Betting works by using "advantage play" with gadgets, BUT Casinos are
on to that and makes it difficult for Advantage Players -- they are
"watched like a hawk" and will be eventually caught. Online Live Wheel Casinos makes sure Advantage Players can't really SEE when the ball is released and the speed of the wheel, by adjusting the video camera shots to "prevent" players from implementing advantage play.
As for Progression betting, I believe most progressive Methods will fail long term, because of Table Limits and/or Bankroll going bust because of unexpected losing periods. BUT there is a particular way to "tweak" the Labouchère method to "flatten" the progression rate that makes it more feasible to use. PLUS you need to find a Casino with "high" Table Limits and very low Table Minimum. I was able to find an online Live Wheel feed casino with a $600 Limit for Dozens & Columns, and a Minimum .10 cent chips.
I'm a Trader by nature, so making .10 Units increments doesn't bother me at all. Real genuine Traders are
in the game for the challenge of "beating the System" and coming out ahead in Long Term trading. And Traders are NOT focused on the "money", they don't even look at their Trading Account balance while trading. They focus on the "points" / "units". So, starting with .10 unit bet increments with a $600 Limit, allows a very generous, more than ample "margin" to absorb unexpected losing periods when using a tweaked version of Labouchère progression.
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 30, 08:21 AM 2020Personally, for bet selection for two dozens, I bet on the last two dozens, because it is more frequent for a dozen to sleep, than for the three to come up like 1-2-3-1-2-3.
I just tried a session with betting the last 2 Dozens. Wow! You are correct, it's a lot better than just sticking with the same 2 Dozens, even with Stop-Losses.
Thanks a Million!!! :thumbsup:
I thought you wanted to bet on 1 dozen? Anyway..
Move the dolly (marker) 12 numbers ahead of the last number out. Bet on the dozen 'and or' column it lands on. You can keep counting in one direction or alternate the direction as for cw-ccw spins. You can further alternate between doz/col.
This will not increase the accuracy of predictions at all, but it is a fun way to doodle around with the doz/col layout bets.
Doodling around is all they're good for anyway, so what have you got to lose....not the house I hope.
Quote from: Taotie on May 01, 12:40 AM 2020I thought you wanted to bet on 1 dozen?
I did, but HUSKERDU brought up the 2 Dozen which I tried a while ago with a different progression which failed. But I never really tried the Labouchère with a Double Dozen. It looks pretty good when I just tried it.
Quote from: Taotie on May 01, 12:40 AM 2020Doodling around is all they're good for anyway, so what have you got to lose....
Yeah, I used to "doodle" when I first started playing Roulette. Been there, done that -- it's ok if you're "rich" and have
money to burn. ;)
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 30, 08:21 AM 2020For LaBoucher with betting 2 dozens the change is that after every lost spin we add two times the lost bet, so we need 50,1% wins in order to enter the session :
Start with 1
Lose: The streak becomes 111 so I bet 2
Lose: The streak becomes 11122 so I bet 3
Lose: The streak becomes 1112233 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 111223344 so I bet 5
Win: The streak becomes 1122334 so I bet 5
Lose: The streak becomes 112233455 so I bet 6
Win: The streak becomes 1223345 so I bet 6
Lose: The streak becomes 122334566 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 2233456 so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 23345 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7
Lose: The streak becomes 33477 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 347 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 4 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 444 so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 4 so I bet 4
Win: End of session
Hi,
@Huskerdu I understood that up to this point:
"Win: The streak becomes 23345 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7
Lose: The streak becomes 33477 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 347 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 4 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 444 so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 4 so I bet 4
Win: End of session"
Why after losing "The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7" - the next bet is not: 33455, just "The streak becomes 33477"?
Regards,
Darek
Quote from: Darek on May 01, 03:13 AM 2020
Hi,
@Huskerdu I understood that up to this point:
"Win: The streak becomes 23345 so I bet 7
Win: The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7
Lose: The streak becomes 33477 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 347 so I bet 10
Win: The streak becomes 4 so I bet 4
Lose: The streak becomes 444 so I bet 8
Win: The streak becomes 4 so I bet 4
Win: End of session"
Why after losing "The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7" - the next bet is not: 33455, just "The streak becomes 33477"?
Regards,
Darek
Because if you lose at 334 you add 3 (the first on the left) with 4 (the first on the right).
@STEEEFAN2014 thank you very much for your answer.
After publishing the post, it suddenly dawned on me that I was thinking wrongly about the whole system, looked again and understood it, but I could not edit it anymore.
Thank you again. 8)
Quote from: Darek on May 01, 03:13 AM 2020Why after losing "The streak becomes 334 so I bet 7" - the next bet is not: 33455, just "The streak becomes 33477"?
If I'm not mistaken, if it is 334 and you bet 7, then you add losing bet of 7 twice (because you're betting 7 each on 2 Dozens with the Labby) -- making it 33477.
@RP501 - STEEEFAN2014 wrote: "Because if you lose at 334 you add 3 (the first on the left) with 4 (the first on the right)."
Here is the answer.
A while back i tracked the length of the coldest dozen.
In general in a 100 spins you get:
-11 times where a dozen dont show for at least 6 spins.
- of those 11 times, 3 times it ran longer than 10 spins.
- of those 3, 1 times it ran longer than 15 times.
I was a little surpriced how long a single dozen actually can stay cold.
Also you can obviously get a dealer who breaks these stats going 123123123 like crazy.
Conclusion: never bet the coldest dozen (same goes for lines, and everything else).
That leaves us with the 2 other dozens.
Bet on change or repeat dozen (of the 2 hottest)? "Change" seemed to be the obvious one. Aka if the coldest dozen is 3 and dozen 2 just hit then bet on dozen 1 .. even thou stats for a change also includes hitting the coldest dozen.
Slightly more advanced betting: after the same dozen has hit twice then bet for a change. Then keep betting for change untill at least 3 different dozen has hit in a row, then start betting for a repeat dozen. Zero didnt matter.
Bets:
- 2 dozen: flat, with 2 units/1 unit. "Double up or Break even most of the time".Aka if the next bet if for change then you put 1 unit on the last hit dozen and 2 on the other most likely hot dozen. Worked well for me played it a fair bit. Helped keeping an eye on the "death pattern" aka "123123123" and not betting when it started & untill it broke. Remembering the 2/1 of playing double dozen, it mean if you manage to avoid 5 losses in a row = advantage 10 wins ahead (in theory).
- 1 Dozen: did try to play it a tiny bit but not for long. Flat again. When you hit a streak its amazing, but it can be a lot more swingy. Probably should keep an eye on the "death pattern" here too. Havnt tested enough.
- Lines: 3 or 4 hottest. Its quite complex, had to program a small tracker. But its very complex, sure a line can easily be cold 20, 30 or even longer spins, but you donno what line is getting cold or hot unlike dozens. This also mean you dont have a "death pattern" (or its too complex to spot on the fly). When playing 3 lines perhaps play against the 2 coldest & the last line hit (aka play continually the 2,3 & 4 hottest lines). Having played enough to really tell.
Oh and real table only, no RNG, thanks.