TWO UNCLES ON DIFFERENT TABLES BOTH WON--and still winning

[F_LAT_INO]

Hey George,


Sorry for the delay in responding.  I'm crazy busy right now for the next few days (other than roulette, unfortunately).  Yes, double 0 wheel is all I have access to unless I get to the point of playing with $10 chips per bet .... hopefully will be there soon.  Haven't played this enough yet to have the confidence to play over the $1 chip level.  Have played a total of 31 sessions so far and, unlike F_LAT, I've always made it to 100 chips.  So, I'm up a few bucks.  If I lose a BR or 2 back to back I'd stop this strategy and take the 1000 chips and say thank you.  If I get to the 100 session win level I'll move to the $10 chip single 0 table (it has a minimum inside bet of $50).


Here's something interesting that I've not tested, but have noticed.  Let's say you take F_LATs strategy here and apply Prof. Winkel's fibo prog strategy to a single win per sector.  You'd play less, but I can't see that losing very often.  Even a +1 -1 doing a single win per sector.  Like I said, I've not tested it, but just looking at F_LATs results you can see that it would work on all that he's provided.  I'll try to test it in the next few weeks.  Right now my spare time is being spent at the casino as my time is limited and tuition is due for the upcoming semester for my kids

Am aware of that fact Wally,playing no cycles would be a winner also,quicker,but when you have 11 loses in the row/had it in one session/hard to pull back,while with cycles did it and won
aimed 100.This way it seem safer.

[GLC]

Hey George,


Sorry for the delay in responding.  I'm crazy busy right now for the next few days (other than roulette, unfortunately).  Yes, double 0 wheel is all I have access to unless I get to the point of playing with $10 chips per bet .... hopefully will be there soon.  Haven't played this enough yet to have the confidence to play over the $1 chip level.  Have played a total of 31 sessions so far and, unlike F_LAT, I've always made it to 100 chips.  So, I'm up a few bucks.  If I lose a BR or 2 back to back I'd stop this strategy and take the 1000 chips and say thank you.  If I get to the 100 session win level I'll move to the $10 chip single 0 table (it has a minimum inside bet of $50).


Here's something interesting that I've not tested, but have noticed.  Let's say you take F_LATs strategy here and apply Prof. Winkel's fibo prog strategy to a single win per sector.  You'd play less, but I can't see that losing very often.  Even a +1 -1 doing a single win per sector.  Like I said, I've not tested it, but just looking at F_LATs results you can see that it would work on all that he's provided.  I'll try to test it in the next few weeks.  Right now my spare time is being spent at the casino as my time is limited and tuition is due for the upcoming semester for my kids

Wally,  Take your time.  You've heard me mention that I'm looking for the system that will give me a little more cushion during my retirement.  I'm thinking this one is it.  I've tested it for 10 runs to +100 on single zero, betvoyager and it's been easy sailing.


I haven't tested it on double zero because I keep hoping that I'll be able to play single zero on-line before too long.  I hate the idea of having to go to a casino every day.


Are you talking about Winkle's "Win all you want" post?


Flat answered my questions, so no need to respond.  Ya gotta keep those chips coming in for college tuition.  It's not getting any cheaper I hear.

[GLC]

Wally,

I just re-read the whole thread and see that most of my questions you had already answered.  I'm getting too lazy in my old age.


I can see that if a person wanted to play this in a busy casino, you better know the sectors like the back of your hand and come up with a creative way to keep track of your bets.  For those of us who learned to play PCWB, we should have the 9 sectors down pat.


This thing will keep you busy, but the end result makes it all worth while.

[Wally Gator]

Am aware of that fact Wally,playing no cycles would be a winner also,quicker,but when you have 11 loses in the row/had it in one session/hard to pull back,while with cycles did it and won
aimed 100.This way it seem safer.

I can see where 11 in a row could get you sick.  I've yet to experience anything over 4 in a row so far.  Hey, maybe this is a benefit to a double 0 wheel (I'm sure that's not the case, but it's a nice thought).


Also, how are you doing without going past 1 unit until hitting the 100 units and stopping?  I've had 7 sessions so far, out of 31, that have never gone past a flat bet of 1.  Highest progression so far for me has been 4 units.  Sometimes I go up and down for about 75 or so spins until a breakaway cycle that gets me to 100.  I've not gone past 165 spins so far.  I'm sure that will happen eventually, as well as the loss of a BR.  I'll be sure to post that session when it happens.  Regardless, I'm up considerably and the loss will only be a blip on the radar.  I'm anxious to get my chip value up.


Thanks for all your help.

[Wally Gator]

Are you talking about Winkle's "Win all you want" post?

Ya gotta keep those chips coming in for college tuition.  It's not getting any cheaper I hear.

Yes, George, "win all you want" is what I was referring to.  However, F_LAT's note about 11 back to back misses would be a serious concern.  You'd be at 89 in the progression.

As for college tuition, the universities have done a tremendous job at marketing their product.  The price just climbs and it appears there's not much we can do about it here in the US.  Here's an interesting dichotomy for you.  One of my kids is studying physics and probability statistics.  He thinks I'm nuts even walking into a casino and taking any amount of money out of my pocket.  As he says, "Dad, why do you want to make continuous donations.  You are eventually going to lose it all anyway", to which I reply, "Son, so far I've been collecting donations and they've been paying for your studies".  Now, I ask you, what's the probability of that

[Tomla021]

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[marvin]

Yes, George, "win all you want" is what I was referring to.  However, F_LAT's note about 11 back to back misses would be a serious concern.  You'd be at 89 in the progression.

As for college tuition, the universities have done a tremendous job at marketing their product.  The price just climbs and it appears there's not much we can do about it here in the US.  Here's an interesting dichotomy for you.  One of my kids is studying physics and probability statistics.  He thinks I'm nuts even walking into a casino and taking any amount of money out of my pocket.  As he says, "Dad, why do you want to make continuous donations.  You are eventually going to lose it all anyway", to which I reply, "Son, so far I've been collecting donations and they've been paying for your studies".  Now, I ask you, what's the probability of that

hehehe i like this one 

[F_LAT_INO]

I can see where 11 in a row could get you sick.  I've yet to experience anything over 4 in a row so far.  Hey, maybe this is a benefit to a double 0 wheel (I'm sure that's not the case, but it's a nice thought).


Also, how are you doing without going past 1 unit until hitting the 100 units and stopping?  I've had 7 sessions so far, out of 31, that have never gone past a flat bet of 1.  Highest progression so far for me has been 4 units.  Sometimes I go up and down for about 75 or so spins until a breakaway cycle that gets me to 100.  I've not gone past 165 spins so far.  I'm sure that will happen eventually, as well as the loss of a BR.  I'll be sure to post that session when it happens.  Regardless, I'm up considerably and the loss will only be a blip on the radar.  I'm anxious to get my chip value up.


Thanks for all your help.

--So call required BR I don't accept,my BR is my pocket,but sopposed 1000 required BR can hardly
lose Wally,especially on 1 zero.Last night was playing progress per a spin and didn't hit 4 before
won aimed and some more.Did it as lately can't last long night in casino,falling asleep.That 11 was only once,5 chops in the row but usually it is 1-4 mostly.

[Wally Gator]

--So call required BR I don't accept,my BR is my pocket,but sopposed 1000 required BR can hardly
lose Wally,especially on 1 zero.Last night was playing progress per a spin and didn't hit 4 before
won aimed and some more.Did it as lately can't last long night in casino,falling asleep.That 11 was only once,5 chops in the row but usually it is 1-4 mostly.

Agreed.  If there is a down side it's the length of time at the table.  I haven't played +1 per session regardless of end balance.  I can see where that would be most beneficial on those up and down sessions.  Gets you out much sooner.  I'll take a look.  Thanks for mentioning it.

[Robeenhuut]

I played with that a bit. When im at higher betting levels  lets say 6 - i know its pretty rare  if i win a session i reduce a base bet by the difference between W's and L's.  So after session of WWWLWWL i go down to base bet of 3. But you need to constantly keep track of your balance and adjust your bets and of course try not to fall asleep in longer sessions 

[F_LAT_INO]

I played with that a bit. When I'm at higher betting levels  lets say 6 - i know its pretty rare  if i win a session i reduce a base bet by the difference between W's and L's.  So after session of WWWLWWL i go down to base bet of 3. But you need to constantly keep track of your balance and adjust your bets and of course try not to fall asleep in longer sessions 

Correct,I do it by head looking at new score,but for the bot Ophis is preparing
it should be done by exact math formula.I have some ideas even ask for help from
math boys but nobody is reacting.Only airball afternoon/after lunch sleep/it seems
nights have broke me down.Check your W/L registry as in most sessions it wins flat bet.

[rusa71]

Hi F_LAT_INO !
First of all, thanks for sharing your method! Just wanted to ask a question. How and when do you decide that you should move to 2 units, 3 units etc and when you going back to 1 unit? I've tryed to analyze your excels and Wally Gator's but didn't get that yet. Would appreciate your help. Thanks

[Wally Gator]

Check your W/L registry as in most sessions it wins flat bet.

While I don't play it flat, looking at the history for what I've played this is true for me, so far.  The only down side would be that I would have been at the table even longer.  It's a question of getting our unit size to the point that we play for +10 and we're out the door.


I'm surprised more folks are not interested in this.  It is a very easy strategy to play and, although lengthy at times, it's not like we are sitting around waiting for triggers.  Once all sectors have hit, you're in the game.


It was also interesting that it won JL's 2000 spins on RNG as a flat bet.  If you were looking for a +10 or +20 and out the door it's a home run.

[Robeenhuut]

While I don't play it flat, looking at the history for what I've played this is true for me, so far.  The only down side would be that I would have been at the table even longer.  It's a question of getting our unit size to the point that we play for +10 and we're out the door.


I'm surprised more folks are not interested in this.  It is a very easy strategy to play and, although lengthy at times, it's not like we are sitting around waiting for triggers.  Once all sectors have hit, you're in the game.


It was also interesting that it won JL's 2000 spins on RNG as a flat bet.  If you were looking for a +10 or +20 and out the door it's a home run.

I guess BR of 1000u to win 100u scares some people and long playing time...  I'm not so sure about playing for 20 or 30u. What would be then a suitable BR? I agree that most of the sessions are breeze - recently had 5 winning sessions totaling less than 300 spins altogether. But i had one that went on forever - hit almost 700u draw down and slowly crept up towards 0.
   It mostly takes 5 or 6 W's in a row to at least pull you back into positive territory but sometimes you have to wait a bit for such a streak. If you put your stop loss at lets say 300u aiming for 30u you may miss on these streaks. But i guess only more testing would tell.

[Matush77]

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