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Title: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Steve on Oct 25, 06:33 AM 2018
link:s://:.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00792r000300390001-2

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If this is a public document, imagine what is secret. There's a lot more. You just need to know where to look. The document i was sent ages ago by an associate explained successful precog tests specifically with roulette. I explain more in the "outside the box" forum.

There's even more. Lots more. A lot of this phenomena is likely real. Again I expect it will be the next generation of AP. But again as mentioned before, by the time you develop such an ability, you probably wont give a rats ass about making money.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Robbert on Oct 25, 06:41 AM 2018
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge

Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Steve on Oct 25, 06:47 AM 2018
Here's another one, but the rest of the document is censored. Consider the underlined part.

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I wonder why the rest was censored.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Steve on Oct 25, 06:50 AM 2018
Quote from: Robbert on Oct 25, 06:41 AM 2018
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge

Typical response from someone who believes everything they see on TV.

As I said before: Randi is a fraud. I approached him with the Masaru Emoto rice experiment because I replicated it myself. It's not the words that do it. It's your attention and emotion. Randi's response was a reference to his terms of service, saying the offer is only open to "celebrities". Normal people are forbidden to take his challenge. His challenge is in the interest of discrediting phenomena, not in unbiased science.

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Again there's more. Randi is a fraud. Having money available sounds great. But his terms of service say it all. What impartial person has the term "you need to be a celebrity"? Are only celebrities gifted? Or is it an attempt to discredit without an interest in truth? After all, the uneducated people will say "if you have paranormal abilities, go win your millions. See, nobody has won. ESP etc is not real". Unfortunately, the majority of people base their opinions on TV bullshit. The bullshit they are fed, instead of personal experience.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: ignatus on Oct 25, 06:56 AM 2018
Yes? many things are possible, we don't know. But for most people, being too distracted by the senses/"the outer world"....to get som kind of "paranormal"-ability, you must look at the "inner world", ey? How can you achive any kind of "spiritual insight or/ability" being constantly identified and distracted by the senses/"outer word"? ..i say, -most people are not able to find (or hardly believe in) anything paranormal, because they simply lack the ability "look inside themselves" and find inner stillness/"peace of mind"....etc

To begin taking anykind of "spirituality" serious, you *must* start practice meditaiton and inner stillness/contemplation,... I'd say that's the only way.

In the End, our "True Self/Awareness" or beyond/transcending the "Ego/senses/emotions/thoughts/our physical body", and pretty much anything we can "think" of....our "logical mind" has it's limits..

Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Bigbroben on Oct 25, 09:24 AM 2018
Apparently, ''out of the box'' psychic capacities would be facilitated or enhanced if the person's intentions are good.

Premise: the universe creative energy commonly called ''love'' is one that suggests harmony, comprehension and respect. 

Thinking about quantic universe and the power of the mind: this is where science joins spiritual, two opposites.  This is where one's will can intervene in the not-material side of matter. 
An energy, a force, a will, that focuses to change reality in a good, ''loving'' way will have more chances of succeeding, if it goes along the fabric of this world.  Go with the wind instead of against it.

Egoistic behaviors might have an immediate effect, sure, but it will most likely cause chaos around and ''punch back'' in one's face, whereas altruist intention will see its effects amplified.  Think of a good-intentioned prayer as an example. 

Love is stronger than hate, but must be patient before to see its effects; and negative energy can take over in the short term.

Could this love/hate polarized energy be applied to roulette?  Don't know.  But I sure ''love'' this dealer's breast, I'll win lots of money if I concentrate enough...

My thoughts.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 09:36 AM 2018
There is so much we do not know

I recommend string theory PBS special

And researching multiple
Realities as well as the universe being 12 dimensional

We know nothing. We are likely being surprised by the shadow governments via chemicals
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Bigbroben on Oct 25, 09:47 AM 2018
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 09:36 AM 2018
We are likely being surprised by the shadow governments via chemicals

What do you mean?  How can we be surprised with chemicals?
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 25, 09:59 AM 2018
* Suppressed *
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Bigbroben on Oct 25, 10:04 AM 2018
Okay!  ha...


Did anyone read the many books of Rampa the little tibetan monk?  Crazy stuff these monks would achieve with their minds i.e. bodies back then until mid 1900s.  Probably less active now that the chinese destroyed them all.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Steve on Oct 25, 06:29 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Oct 25, 09:24 AM 2018Could this love/hate polarized energy be applied to roulette?  Don't know.

Love is just the word meaning harmony and connection. Harmony and connection is required.

Hate is the word for disharmony and separation. If you constantly hate, you sever your connection, lose control, dont have understanding etc.

These two words and related explanations sound like hippy-talk, but they have very specific physical meanings.

Quote from: Bigbroben on Oct 25, 09:24 AM 2018But I sure ''love'' this dealer's breast

Sure but dont get a boner at the table.  Might look like a concealed device.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Bigbroben on Oct 25, 06:49 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Oct 25, 06:29 PM 2018
Love is just the word meaning harmony and connection. Harmony and connection is required.

Agree.  This is what I meant.

Quote from: Steve on Oct 25, 06:29 PM 2018
Sure but dont get a boner at the table.  Might look like a concealed device.

More testing needed...!
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Turner on Oct 28, 07:51 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Oct 25, 06:33 AM 2018CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
and what if you think the CIA are nonsense?
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Steve on Oct 28, 08:21 PM 2018
Quote from: Turner on Oct 28, 07:51 PM 2018and what if you think the CIA are nonsense?

They are nonsense, with many things. These documents could be deliberate misinformation. But there's enough information from many sources to form a reasonably clear overall-picture, for anyone to make up their own mind.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: nowun on Oct 28, 11:19 PM 2018
Quote from: Steve on Oct 25, 06:29 PM 2018
Love is just the word meaning harmony and connection. Harmony and connection is required.

Hate is the word for disharmony and separation. If you constantly hate, you sever your connection, lose control, dont have understanding etc.

These two words and related explanations sound like hippy-talk, but they have very specific physical meanings.

Totally agree, the amount of hate in current society is building and being encouraged all the time. While hate rules only a few have control, once love rules again, which it will, the few in control now will lose control, this they are afraid of more than anything.

Another example from a personal point of view is precognition, while I was living with my ex-wife I was pretty good at precognition, now that she has left I am much better at it.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Steve on Oct 28, 11:35 PM 2018
I know why. Your ex-wife, like all women, is a succubus
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Kan@am@ on Oct 29, 08:50 PM 2018
Quote from: Bigbroben on Oct 25, 10:04 AM 2018
Okay!  ha...


Did anyone read the many books of Rampa the little tibetan monk?  Crazy stuff these monks would achieve with their minds i.e. bodies back then until mid 1900s.  Probably less active now that the chinese destroyed them all.

you don't need monks to see interesting events today

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_G1PlRV0sU
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Steve on Oct 29, 09:08 PM 2018
Kanam, we're not talking about magicians and hoaxes.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Kan@am@ on Oct 29, 09:25 PM 2018
This person not a magician.Enyone can learn that.Every paranormal abilities are result of practice .Someone just have to know what to practice.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Steve on Oct 29, 09:48 PM 2018
I think anyone with a real ability to do that would not be interested in putting it on youtube with a skipping rope and fancy music.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Firefox on Feb 03, 08:20 AM 2019
One wonders why the CIA would declassify such information. Surely it would be of vital use in operations if such abilities could be reproduced.

It appears to be part of The Stargate  Project a CIA group abandoned in 1995.

Wikipedia has this to say

QuoteThe Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there was reason to suspect that its project managers had changed the reports so they would fit background cues.

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Stargate Project was the 1991 code name for a secret U.S. Army unit established in 1978 at Fort Meade, Maryland, by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and SRI International (a California contractor) to investigate the potential for psychic phenomena in military and domestic intelligence applications.

Stargate Project work primarily involved remote viewing, the purported ability to psychically "see".

The Stargate Project created a set of protocols designed to make the research of clairvoyance and out-of-body experiences more scientific, and to minimize as much as possible session noise and inaccuracy. The term "remote viewing" emerged as shorthand to describe this more structured approach to clairvoyance. Project Stargate would only receive a mission after all other intelligence attempts, methods, or approaches had already been exhausted.

It was reported that at peak manpower there were over 22 active military and civilian remote viewers providing data. People leaving the project were not replaced. When the project closed in 1995 this number had dwindled down to three. One was using tarot cards. 

Edwin May worked as the principal investigator, judge and the star gatekeeper for the project. David Marks noted this was a serious weakness for the experiments as May had conflict of interest and could have done whatever he wanted with the data. Marks has written that May refused to release the names of the "oversight committee" and refused permission for him to give an independent judging of the star gate transcripts. Marks found this suspicious, commenting "this refusal suggests that something must be wrong with the data or with the methods of data selection.

An Evaluation of Remote Viewing (Stargate): Research and Applications Archived 2017-01-13 at the Wayback Machine by Mumford, Rose and Goslin says this
Quote"remote viewings have never provided an adequate basis for 'actionable' intelligence operations-that is, information sufficiently valuable or compelling so that action was taken as a result (...) a large amount of irrelevant, erroneous information is provided and little agreement is observed among viewers' reports. (...) remote viewers and project managers reported that remote viewing reports were changed to make them consistent with know background cues. While this was appropriate in that situation, it makes it impossible to interpret the role of the paranormal phenomena independently. Also, it raises some doubts about some well-publicized cases of dramatic hits, which, if taken at face value, could not easily be attributed to background cues. In at least some of these cases, there is reason to suspect, based on both subsequent investigations and the viewers' statement that reports had been "changed" by previous program managers, that substantially more background information was available than one might at first assume.

So while I remain open on Telekinesis in the future, the action of the CIA to declassify the research in the 1980s speaks volumes.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Firefox on Feb 03, 08:41 AM 2019
I should also say that Stargate investigated anything paranormal including Telekinesis and Pshychokinesis. It was as well used as an avenue of last resort when other approaches failed.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Steve on Feb 03, 06:31 PM 2019
Try this:


There's a lot of credible material to indicate remote viewing is real, and actively being used by at least the US govt. This is a start.

Regarding psychokinesis, see:


Could be fraud, but I dont see it all as such as impossibility. Why couldn't some people be able to focus a natural energy to move small objects? It's all just energy.

Also the CIA documents clearly explain the results achieved.

Sure the field is full of frauds. That doesnt mean there arent legitimate cases.

I dont 'know' because I've never experienced it for myself, or witnessed it. But again I wouldnt put it out of the realm of possibility. Our reality is not particularly well understood.
Title: Re: CIA documents, for people who think psychokenisis is nonsense
Post by: Firefox on Feb 03, 07:17 PM 2019
The CIA investigated Uri Gellar and RSP within Stargate. They thought he was worthy of looking into. We do know him to be a fraud and a magician though.

There is a case of Gellar reproducing similar drawings of grapes and a dove during the tests, but the control is open to doubt with both Gellar and it seems the CIA willing to use subterfuge to get a result.

Nevertheless I think you are right about ESP.  Just that we haven't got there yet. Electrical activity and weak electro magnetic waves definitely exist in and around the brain. But at the moment it's a question of power. Like the thought control of motion  experiments which have proved positive, the brain activity needs to be amplified and collected.

Either we develop as a species to be able to  project thoughts over many 1000s of years, or more likely in the shorter term we develop technology to amplify and receive those thoughts. This breakthrough could be just around the corner, or it could 100's of years away.