Hi guys,
i have developed a system, i tested it against 20k real spins (that i gathered) from one roulette table.
these are the result from testing, delta refers to the gap between two consecutive hits
for example DELTA=0 means WW
DELTA=1 means LW
DELTA=2 means LLW
DELTA=3 means LLLW
and so on
by the way, i bet 13 numbers only and max streak of lose i saw was 19! you can see the table below which shows each delta with the correspondent count "number of times happened" as well as the percentage
as you can see, percentage of a HIT within three attempts is up to 72%, the 1 million dollar question is : how can i workout a progression for this ?
DELTA COUNT PERCENTAGE %
---------- ---------- -----------------------
0 2687 35,808
1 1688 22,495
2 1136 15,139
3 684 9,115
4 450 5,997
5 295 3,931
6 182 2,425
7 129 1,719
8 75 0,999
9 63 0,84
10 45 0,6
11 32 0,426
12 16 0,213
13 6 0,08
15 5 0,067
14 5 0,067
16 2 0,027
18 1 0,013
19 1 0,013
17 1 0,013
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 14, 01:50 PM 2019
Hi guys,
i have developed a system, i tested it against 20k real spins (that i gathered) from one roulette table.
these are the result from testing, delta refers to the gap between two consecutive hits
for example DELTA=0 means WW
DELTA=1 means LW
DELTA=2 means LLW
DELTA=3 means LLLW
and so on
by the way, i bet 13 numbers only and max streak of lose i saw was 19! you can see the table below which shows each delta with the correspondent count "number of times happened" as well as the percentage
as you can see, percentage of a HIT within three attempts is up to 72%, the 1 million dollar question is : how can i workout a progression for this ?
DELTA COUNT PERCENTAGE %
---------- ---------- -----------------------
0 2687 35,808
1 1688 22,495
2 1136 15,139
3 684 9,115
4 450 5,997
5 295 3,931
6 182 2,425
7 129 1,719
8 75 0,999
9 63 0,84
10 45 0,6
11 32 0,426
12 16 0,213
13 6 0,08
15 5 0,067
14 5 0,067
16 2 0,027
18 1 0,013
19 1 0,013
17 1 0,013
I have not tested it, but have you tried 13 random numbers? I think that would produce the same results...
No, not random !
I predict where the ball with accuracy
I use previous numbers as well as wheel rotation speed
If anyone can help me find a progression would be great
Quote from: RayManZ on Nov 14, 03:30 PM 2019
I have not tested it, but have you tried 13 random numbers? I think that would produce the same results...
By the way, I don’t believe that a random selection would produce similar result
Can anyone suggest a way to exploit this flow ?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 15, 01:19 AM 2019
No, not random !
I predict where the ball with accuracy
If anyone can help me find a progression would be great
If you really can....you dont need a progression
Quote from: denzie on Nov 16, 10:23 AM 2019
If you really can....you dont need a progression
Denzie,
I don’t believe that there is systems that win flatbet!
The progression has its own risk
Look at the statistics I posted above and tell me what is the best way to progress this system
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 16, 10:30 AM 2019
Denzie,
I don’t believe that there is systems that win flatbet!
The progression has its own risk
The HG edge is not 70% right ? Its actually very small. So if you in fact can predict better accuracy ( even a little bit) you can beat the Wheel with flatbet. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Nov 16, 10:33 AM 2019
The HG edge is not 70% right ? Its actually very small. So if you in fact can predict better accuracy ( even a little bit) you can beat the Wheel with flatbet. :thumbsup:
So if ?
You'll never get anywhere if you go about so-iffing like that
The probability of 13 random numbers appearing at least once within 3 spins is:
72.70842793121828%
Your bet selection offers no advantage in that respect.
If you want to do the math yourself it is:
1 - 24/37^3
Quote from: Kav on Nov 16, 10:50 PM 2019
The probability of 13 random numbers appearing at least once within 3 spins is:
72.70842793121828%
Your bet selection offers no advantage in that respect.
If you want to do the math yourself it is:
1 - 24/37^3
I would like to explain again what does the info below means, delta is the gap between two consecutive hits, for example
Delta 0 means there is no gap, this is when we have WW
Delta 1 means there is one step gap, this is when we have LW
Delta 2 means there is two steps gap, this is when we have LLW
Delta count. Percentage
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0 2687 35,808
1 1688 22,495
2 1136 15,139
So within my betselection, the probability of a hit appearing at least once within 3 spins is:
35,808 + 22,495 + 15,139 = 73,442%
If it like this, wouldn’t it be the safest +1 on loss and -1 on a win? Just a thought
Quote from: snafu on Nov 18, 01:10 AM 2019
If it like this, wouldn’t it be the safest +1 on loss and -1 on a win? Just a thought
Thx but how high would you go with ur progression ?
Quote from: Kav on Nov 16, 10:50 PM 2019
The probability of 13 random numbers appearing at least once within 3 spins is:
72.70842793121828%
Your bet selection offers no advantage in that respect.
If you want to do the math yourself it is:
1 - 24/37^3
Kav,
You mentioned that the probability of 13 random number that hit once within three trials is ~ 72.71 %
Now my system has a probability of 73.4%
Can we talk here about an advantage ?
I am confused about what your betting system actually is. Are you betting the last 13 numbers that have spun will return again very soon?
If that is the case I have seen someone else who did something similar. If not then I am completely lost.
The other system I am thinking of you watch the last 6 numbers that have come up. If they have not repeated then you start betting those last 6 numbers as coming up again. If that doesn't hit on that spin then you bet the last 6 plus the most recent spin. It doesn't show up on the 7th spin you go up to the 8th and 9th spin. The progression ended at 9, but I am sure you can do whatever you would like to try.
Example: Last 6 numbers 15, 27, 12, 9, 1, 18
Your bet: 15, 27, 12, 9, 1, 18
Number spun: 7
Next bet: 15, 27, 12, 9, 1, 18, 7
Number spun: 23
Next bet: 15, 27, 12, 9, 1, 18, 7, 23
Number spun: 27 - Winner
Start over and look for the next 6 unique numbers in a row that do not duplicate. I have tried this at land based casinos and it does work, but you have to be looking to see when it is working. One online casino I have seen where it works fairly consistently is Bovada.lv.
I cannot stand that website because they have the MOST chaotic ball bounces that makes it seem verrry rigged. The one downside to them is that they seem to have a lot of repeating numbers and I have been on their website for months now.
Good luck.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 18, 05:46 AM 2019
Kav,
You mentioned that the probability of 13 random number that hit once within three trials is ~ 72.71 %
Now my system has a probability of 73.4%
Can we talk here about an advantage ?
I don't know.
I have heard stories of people winning for many thousand of spins and then the system stops to win. So it could just be a bit of luck (positive variance).
A lot depends on your bet selection. How did you came up with it. Does it have some solid logic reasoning? (most bet selection I read have no logic reasoning) Or it is just a "let's try this and see how it goes" type of bet selection in the first place?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Nov 18, 05:46 AM 2019Kav,
You mentioned that the probability of 13 random number that hit once within three trials is ~ 72.71 %
Now my system has a probability of 73.4%
Can we talk here about an advantage ?
Running the same test of proportion as in my last analysis gives these results (sample size 20,000 bets):
(link:s://img.techpowerup.org/191204/screenshot-1.png)
(link:s://img.techpowerup.org/191204/screenshot.png)
The p-value is less than 5% (about 2.8%), so it's unlikely that the result is due to chance. But as before, I recommend that you get another sample and repeat the test.
And you should realize that just because the result is 'statistically' significant, it doesn't mean that it's 'practically' significant, because you may not have enough of an edge to make a profit.
Quote from: Joe on Dec 04, 05:50 AM 2019
Running the same test of proportion as in my last analysis gives these results (sample size 20,000 bets):
(link:s://img.techpowerup.org/191204/screenshot-1.png)
(link:s://img.techpowerup.org/191204/screenshot.png)
The p-value is less than 5% (about 2.8%), so it's unlikely that the result is due to chance. But as before, I recommend that you get another sample and repeat the test.
And you should realize that just because the result is 'statistically' significant, it doesn't mean that it's 'practically' significant, because you may not have enough of an edge to make a profit.
I also think so
I have added more data and the result is still the same !
regardless the statistical significance, I still can’t win flatbetting, so There is need for a progression