Online Casinos Question

Andre Chass · Mar 13, 11:23 PM 2018

Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 10:57 PM 2018
Banning and payout with online casinos is far from urban myth. It happens all the time. Many of my players have been banned and refused payouts.

Of course. Your players use computers and it's not tolerate at most casinos.

Steve · Mar 13, 11:29 PM 2018

Your question was with regards to a system you said wins, but it was not AP. So in that case, they would not know how you are winning. It's not like AP where they could make an intelligent guess on how you are winning. Basically if you had the HG, there is not much casinos could do to stop you because you could keep creating new accounts. With the HG, there would be no countermeasures to make you lose.

So with your system, simply play and win until you are banned. Then move to the next casino or account.

Steve · Mar 13, 11:33 PM 2018

Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 13, 11:23 PM 2018Of course. Your players use computers and it's not tolerate at most casinos.

If a player won consistently with random guesses, the casino still would not tolerate them for long. The casino staff would just be a little more perplexed as to how you are winning so much.

Computers or not, casinos don't tolerate long term winners.

In most cases with computers, the sessions are short enough to not draw attention. So profit is made before the casino has time to react. And even then on review of video, it looks like a few lucky bets.

Andre Chass · Mar 13, 11:46 PM 2018

Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 11:29 PM 2018to

Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 11:29 PM 2018
Your question was with regards to a system you said wins, but it was not AP. So in that case, they would not know how you are winning. It's not like AP where they could make an intelligent guess on how you are winning. Basically if you had the HG, there is not much casinos could do to stop you because you could keep creating new accounts. With the HG, there would be no countermeasures to make you lose.

So with your system, simply play and win until you are banned. Then move to the next casino or account.
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Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 11:29 PM 2018
Your question was with regards to a system you said wins, but it was not AP. So in that case, they would not know how you are winning. It's not like AP where they could make an intelligent guess on how you are winning. Basically if you had the HG, there is not much casinos could do to stop you because you could keep creating new accounts. With the HG, there would be no countermeasures to make you lose.

So with your system, simply play and win until you are banned. Then move to the next casino or account.

Steve

Bui if I be banned they will pay me before?
I spend on month betting and wining and when I request a withdraw they refuse it.
This is robbery.

Thats the One million dollars question.

Steve · Mar 13, 11:49 PM 2018

If you are flagged for multiple accounts, then they may refuse any payout. It's not hard to avoid detection online (in most cases), but compared to real casinos the online casinos are tedious and a waste of time.

Andre Chass · Mar 13, 11:55 PM 2018

Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 11:33 PM 2018
If a player won consistently with random guesses, the casino still would not tolerate them for long. The casino staff would just be a little more perplexed as to how you are winning so much.

Computers or not, casinos don't tolerate long term winners.

In most cases with computers, the sessions are short enough to not draw attention. So profit is made before the casino has time to react. And even then on review of video, it looks like a few lucky bets.

Steve you contradicting yourself.

Look at you previous post at another thread.

Banning certainly does occur. It is not just what you win, it is your style of play. If you won say $50,000 with red/black bets, you're unlikely to be banned. If you won $50,000 with inside bets and bets based on sectors, you'd likely be banned assuming it was over a smaller amount of spins but with bigger bets. Ultimately it is your style of play that gets you banned, not the winnings.

One of my players got banned after only $500 of winnings from casinowebcam.com and it was because of his style of play. That is the lowest amount for a banning I've ever known of.

Andre Chass · Mar 13, 11:58 PM 2018

Steve you have to decide what you think about it... Lol

There another thread that you say is not the way you play but it's when you attempt withdraw....

Steve · Mar 14, 12:20 AM 2018

No but elaboration is needed.

If you win even a small amount with bets after ball release, and late bets is all you make, an online casino may get concerned and ban you - before you do real damage.

If you win a large amount with outside bets, the casino wont pay much attention.... until you over-do it. In any case, before casinos pay out, they will check account history for anything suspicious. If there's a problem, they can review your behavior more closely.

There are multiple points at which casinos detect problem players. And they can ban or restrict you for different reasons.

Andre Chass · Mar 14, 12:30 AM 2018

Ok, so for example, I'm winning constantly but I'm doing not wrong.

Can the casino ban me?
If get banned will the casino pay me?

If I open multiple accounts at different casinos company, can they detect me?

Steve, last year I withdraw around 30k without any problem any questions.

Yesterday I request a withdraw of 7k and today the money was in my bank account.

Steve · Mar 14, 12:46 AM 2018

Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 14, 12:30 AM 2018Ok, so for example, I'm winning constantly but I'm doing not wrong. Can the casino ban me?

Yes, you can be banned for no reason at all. Unless it's a government-owned casino, in which case you can only be banned if you are cheating or doing something against the rules. But even without banning, a casino will do whatever they can do stop you. The bottom line is you need to avoid detection no matter how you win.

Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 14, 12:30 AM 2018If get banned will the casino pay me?

Depends on the casino and their reasons.

Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 14, 12:30 AM 2018If I open multiple accounts at different casinos company, can they detect me?

They monitor ip addresses and often use a third-party process to identify you (you upload ID before withdrawal) because of KYC laws (anti-terrorism and monney laundering). It is not hard to get around.

Quote from: Andre Chass on Mar 14, 12:30 AM 2018Steve, last year I withdraw around 30k without any problem any questions. Yesterday I request a withdraw of 7k and today the money was in my bank account.

I know nothing about how you played and won, how much you've lost etc. So I cant comment further on that except to say I know of many players who have taken far more without any problems. A reputable casino will pay out, but then may restrict you from winning further one way or another.

Anyway if you have the HG and dont need AP, then you could easily win hundreds of millions and you could easily swap between casinos.

Andre Chass · Mar 14, 12:57 AM 2018

Quote from: Steve on Mar 14, 12:46 AM 2018
Yes, you can be banned for no reason at all. Unless it's a government-owned casino, in which case you can only be banned if you are cheating or doing something against the rules. But even without banning, a casino will do whatever they can do stop you. The bottom line is you need to avoid detection no matter how you win.

How to avoid detection?
I'm making about $200 a day. Is it too much? They will ban me?

Depends on the casino and their reasons.

They monitor ip addresses and often use a third-party process to identify you (you upload ID before withdrawal) because of KYC laws (anti-terrorism and monney laundering). It is not hard to get around.

So If I'm traveling I can't bet because it's a different ip address?

I know nothing about how you played and won, how much you've lost etc. So I cant comment further on that except to say I know of many players who have taken far more without any problems. A reputable casino will pay out, but then may restrict you from winning further one way or another.

Anyway if you have the HG and dont need AP, then you could easily win hundreds of millions and you could easily swap between casinos.

How can I swap between casinos if they can detect my IP address?

Steve, the things are not really clear.

Can you answer my questions please.

How to avoid detection?
How about ip address?
How much money can I win a day?
How often should I withdraw?

I'll appreciate it

Andre Chass · Mar 14, 02:00 AM 2018

Some answers from another gambling site.

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A smart casino won't. They will want you to continue to play until you lose your money back. Unless your results are unlikely to be the result of pure luck they will do everything they can to keep you playing. They may even offer you more incentives to stay...if they are smart. If they are stupid then they will ban you and you will give their money to another casino."

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"No. The casino recognizes that you have won some of their money and they want it back. They know that it was pure luck so they will try to entice you to play for higher stakes so they can win it back faster. They are also more likey to win back more money from you if you are playing for higher stakes.
Since you admit that your results were just lucky and are unlikely to continue, why would you consider raising your bets at all? Why would you worry about winning thousanrd of dollars a week? This is not something you need to worry about. I'm sure this will all be over before you know it. Relax and have fun gambling."

Andre Chass · Mar 14, 03:27 AM 2018

The myth
Some players think that a winning streak is the fastest way to get banned in an online casinoâ€"that this is not permitted because the house is losing a considerable amount. Others, to be more specific, those who won a big jackpot, even fear that they might not be able to log-in to their accounts right after they withdraw all their winningsâ€"as if the simple act of winning is a curse or a preventive measure.

As a result, there are members who would set a so-called â€œwinning limitâ€ when they are getting favorable results. They would stop themselves from enjoying live games online to protect their accounts from being locked.

The irrational fear of winning becomes even more intense from stories and hearsays of other players who were unjustly banned simply because they are perform well in casino gaming.

Is there any truth in these beliefs? Do these notions have factual basis?

The truth
Needless to say, the above-mentioned beliefs are no less than pure myths. You cannot be banned merely because of winning. You cannot be prevented from accessing your account just because your online blackjack strategies work. You cannot be banned simply because your slot games winnings steadily increase.

Roulettebeater · Mar 14, 04:30 AM 2018

Andre

In short, keep winning and withdraw money every two days, this way it won't hurt you much if they ban you.

Try to lose on purpose some bets, put bets on red or black, try to not play for a few weeks... these are some tactics that would help your account stays alive

Proofreaders2000 · Mar 14, 04:47 AM 2018

Andre, online casinos can do whatever they want.
(I've learned this from experience)

If at all possible play at a B&M.

The more reputable oc's ones do adhere to the regulations.
(for the most part-depending on the management)

Also oc's change management often
(and a good casino can become terrible)

You cannot be prevented from accessing your account
just because your online blackjack strategies work

Here's a guy who was up $8K in Blackjack and
they stopped him from betting (go to 4 min 50 sec)

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=AXLbRQh4iRw

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